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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on June 05, 2018, 06:20:56 pm
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When I read the initial announcement from the club it sounded like they would make a statement within 24 hours but reading it back it just says update, and what they've released is indeed an update on the recruitment process.
Do I guess we're not going to hear anything from the club? I think they should really because what's passing for knowledge is half spoken 2nd hand conversations and conspiracy theories.
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Tend to agree it would do.them.muxh good to get some facts out. Though there may be legal reasons why they aren't.
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How often do clubs air all the finer details in public when a manager leaves? Not many at all, it isn't professional for a start. I'm sure some more things will come out in the press over time but at the end of the day football fans are always going to speculate especially when we've no actual football to focus on instead.
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Hopefully SM will pass on some details, I think I read he had a meeting there today?
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How often do clubs air all the finer details in public when a manager leaves? Not many at all, it isn't professional for a start. I'm sure some more things will come out in the press over time but at the end of the day football fans are always going to speculate especially when we've no actual football to focus on instead.
I didn't comment about airing finer details I commented about a statement. It seems very common, the norm actually.
e.g
https://www.bradfordcityfc.co.uk/news/2018/february/club-statement/
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I'd like to see a statement regarding the lack of a statement.
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Find it puzzling why they haven't come out with something to try and quash the talk of a poor budget, and lack of ambition.
Their silence just fuels the fire.
Tired of being treated like mushrooms
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Find it puzzling why they haven't come out with something to try and quash the talk of a poor budget, and lack of ambition.
Their silence just fuels the fire.
Tired of being treated like mushrooms
They have, the budget has been increased
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Where's the official statement? Not just through a journo saying it's gone up a bit ?
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Andy giddings that released that though wasn’t it?
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Andy giddings that released that though wasn’t it?
Yes, thats probably where I've got it from
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Looking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:
- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit).
- The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this.
- Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available.
- Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push.
As a result, the board and Ferguson are some way apart in their beliefs and expectations so a parting of ways is agreed.
This doesn’t have to mean that he’s been sacked, nor that the club has no ambition. More that Ferguson doesn’t believe he can deliver the agreed aim within the means, and wants out. And the board would prefer to source someone that does believe they can deliver what they want to achieve within the allocated resources.
I wouldn’t say any of the above is particularly extraordinary in business or football. Time will tell who has made the best judgements. When we get a new manager we need to all get behind him.
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Quote:’ The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. ‘
If the budget is only just better than last year and we finished 15th how can they qualify this?
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Quote:’ The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. ‘
If the budget is only just better than last year and we finished 15th how can they qualify this?
They believed Ferguson underachieved? Not that radical a concept.
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It doesn’t even have to mean that (they believe) the manager underachieved last season. Conditions are different. Significant portions of last season’s budget were used up on players that played almost no part (such as Andrew and Evina) or were, rightly or wrongly, considered surplus to requirements (Williams). Just because we finished 15th doesn’t mean we need to multiply the budget to get to the top 6, maybe we just need to use it smarter.
Football is played on the field, not on the balance sheet.
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Manager, players brought in, team performance and results will show who was right at the end of the season.
Glad to see the board have set goals for the new manager and the resources required appear to be available.
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Quote:’ The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this. ‘
If the budget is only just better than last year and we finished 15th how can they qualify this?
You are aware that finishing 15th in the table doesn't mean we had the 15th best budget surely?
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Looking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:
- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit).
- The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this.
- Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available.
- Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push.
But the last two haven't been stated/released/been quoted in public unless I've missed them. If they have please direct me.
So it remains conjecture, and I'm struggling to really get it into my head that Fergie wasn't aware the budget hasn't dramatically changed at this club in years, and that he broadly knew what it was going to be a long time before, and has all of a sudden found some amazing principles that he wants to live by. I mean, it doesn't make common sense.
And in any case, if that is the reason, its not exactly controversial is it and could have been released in a statement.
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I don't get why people keep saying that it's because of "principles", if Fergie quit based on budget. It's not about a moral stand, it's just a difference in opinion. He thinks it's not enough to do the job, the club think it is.
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Again, Roversalias, where are you getting this from? I repeat, its not been stated anywhere unless you know something different? It's a narrative created on here.
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He knew what he was getting when he took the job, the clubs priniples have n't changed, his has
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If DF was aware of the budget and he made the decision in his opinion that it was not right to achieve the playoffs then he decided to go. He’s the one that takes the flak for non achievement. Only at the end of the season will we know who made the right call.
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It doesn’t even have to mean that (they believe) the manager underachieved last season. Conditions are different. Significant portions of last season’s budget were used up on players that played almost no part (such as Andrew and Evina) or were, rightly or wrongly, considered surplus to requirements (Williams). Just because we finished 15th doesn’t mean we need to multiply the budget to get to the top 6, maybe we just need to use it smarter.
Football is played on the field, not on the balance sheet.
Unless I’m reading this wrong I think you’re contradicting yourself there - surely if the board are thinking the budget needs to be used smarter then they would believe that less smart use of the budget is underachievement?
Irrespective, it would be good to hear the board come out with a response to Fergie’s comments, but if they don’t because they’re too busy focusing on his replacement that will do for me.
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Looking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:
- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit).
- The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this.
- Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available.
- Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push.
But the last two haven't been stated/released/been quoted in public unless I've missed them. If they have please direct me.
So it remains conjecture, and I'm struggling to really get it into my head that Fergie wasn't aware the budget hasn't dramatically changed at this club in years, and that he broadly knew what it was going to be a long time before, and has all of a sudden found some amazing principles that he wants to live by. I mean, it doesn't make common sense.
And in any case, if that is the reason, its not exactly controversial is it and could have been released in a statement.
Why does he have to have found principles? It doesn’t mean he’s walked for the good of the club. I genuinely believe he’s gone because he doesn’t believe the resources are there to deliver what he wants, so will go somewhere that he believes matches his ambitions. The unrest in that sense was clear. I would direct you to the interview he gave stating that he doesn’t want to be a league one manager. But you can find it yourself.
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It doesn’t even have to mean that (they believe) the manager underachieved last season. Conditions are different. Significant portions of last season’s budget were used up on players that played almost no part (such as Andrew and Evina) or were, rightly or wrongly, considered surplus to requirements (Williams). Just because we finished 15th doesn’t mean we need to multiply the budget to get to the top 6, maybe we just need to use it smarter.
Football is played on the field, not on the balance sheet.
Unless I’m reading this wrong I think you’re contradicting yourself there - surely if the board are thinking the budget needs to be used smarter then they would believe that less smart use of the budget is underachievement?
Smarter perhaps the wrong choice of word. Differently would fit. Danny Andrew getting injured was hardly Ferguson’s fault, nor was the fact that he couldn’t offload the players that he wanted to.
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Find it puzzling why they haven't come out with something to try and quash the talk of a poor budget, and lack of ambition.
Their silence just fuels the fire.
Tired of being treated like mushrooms
Try taking some mushrooms. You'll feel much happier then. Their silence doesn't fuel any fire for me... They don't have to say owt until they're ready.
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Again, Roversalias, where are you getting this from? I repeat, its not been stated anywhere unless you know something different? It's a narrative created on here.
Getting what from? I'm not stating any facts, I'm saying that if the mooted situation is that Fergie quit based on the budget then I don't see how that had anything to do with his "principles", as you stated and as a few others have said.
There's no morality in deciding that the board are wrong about what constitutes a good budget.
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Looking at what has been released into the public domain, I would expect all of these statements to be true:
- The playing budget has not been cut, and has in fact increased (a bit).
- The board has a genuine ambition to challenge for the play offs and believes that an adequate playing budget is in place to facilitate this.
- Ferguson wanted more money to spend than has been made available.
- Ferguson does not believe that the playing budget is sufficient to enable him to deliver a play off push.
But the last two haven't been stated/released/been quoted in public unless I've missed them. If they have please direct me.
So it remains conjecture, and I'm struggling to really get it into my head that Fergie wasn't aware the budget hasn't dramatically changed at this club in years, and that he broadly knew what it was going to be a long time before, and has all of a sudden found some amazing principles that he wants to live by. I mean, it doesn't make common sense.
And in any case, if that is the reason, its not exactly controversial is it and could have been released in a statement.
Why does he have to have found principles? It doesn’t mean he’s walked for the good of the club. I genuinely believe he’s gone because he doesn’t believe the resources are there to deliver what he wants, so will go somewhere that he believes matches his ambitions. The unrest in that sense was clear. I would direct you to the interview he gave stating that he doesn’t want to be a league one manager. But you can find it yourself.
Jonathan, I haven't listened to Fergie's interviews for the best part of this season. I lost that level of interest, so genuinely what you're saying is news to me.
I knew there was some agitation for a higher budget about a month back, but that's all I got. For people like me, that's why a statement is valuable.
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Again, Roversalias, where are you getting this from? I repeat, its not been stated anywhere unless you know something different? It's a narrative created on here.
Getting what from? I'm not stating any facts, I'm saying that if the mooted situation is that Fergie quit based on the budget then I don't see how that had anything to do with his "principles", as you stated and as a few others have said.
There's no morality in deciding that the board are wrong about what constitutes a good budget.
I know if I quit my job because my employer did something I didn't agree with - I would call it principles. It doesn't go much deeper than that. In any case, there was a hint of irony in my post.
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What they have stated so far is enough for me.
If folk want more detail then they'll have to want as I think most people will concur that it's not right to wash dirty linen in public. Sometimes two parties can't agree the way forward, doesn't mean there's always a wrong or a right.
All I can judge is what I see on the pitch and I wasn't convinced he was getting the best out of the players individually or collectively. Sure, he had some mitigating circumstances with injuries etc, but some issues appear to have been self-inflicted.
I think he has got the club in a better position overall and I still think we are only 3 or 4 key players short of a good team and for that reason I was certainly willing to give him the benefit of doubt. For whatever reason(s) , he's called it a day. Good luck to him.
It's not the end of the world. We will continue to find a formula that works for us.
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It's not as if he had a meeting with the board and Blunt stood up and pissed in Fergie's coffee though is it?
An extreme exaggeration I know, but it doesn't sound like the board "did something he disagrees with" in that sense, more they said "this is enough money for you" and Fergie said "no it's not, I'll go and find a club who will offer me more".
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Is everyone ignoring the fact there has been an open secret that he has been in for the MK Dons job according to their forum since before May 20th.
If the board got wind of it they would not like it, if he has got the job the statement shifts the blame onto the board, and he looks good, and it is announced a little later.
I await the outcome with interest. He could have been tapped up, or just got fed up with us, the best of luck to him, we can do better.
The Accrington manager would interest me. If he does not get the MK job he will pick something up, and although he may not think so it will be because the Board he is now at loggerheads with stood by him when he would have got his cards at any other club.
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Is everyone ignoring the fact there has been an open secret that he has been in for the MK Dons job according to their forum since before May 20th.
If the board got wind of it they would not like it, if he has got the job the statement shifts the blame onto the board, and he looks good, and it is announced a little later.
I await the outcome with interest. He could have been tapped up, or just got fed up with us, the best of luck to him, we can do better.
The Accrington manager would interest me. If he does not get the MK job he will pick something up, and although he may not think so it will be because the Board he is now at loggerheads with stood by him when he would have got his cards at any other club.
An interesting theory.
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We've got a VSC Director, a fellow fan with no agenda than making sure the club is run properly in the eyes of fans, having regular one-on-ones with the CEO of the club and feeding back what he has been told in person, and loads of you throw it back in his face if it's not the info you want/expect/like. Other than that what more can we f*cking ask of the club?
"Never mind that, I want a statement from the club, in writing, on the website, so I can sleep at night"....
WTF?
Grow up.
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Is everyone ignoring the fact there has been an open secret that he has been in for the MK Dons job according to their forum since before May 20th.
If the board got wind of it they would not like it, if he has got the job the statement shifts the blame onto the board, and he looks good, and it is announced a little later.
I await the outcome with interest. He could have been tapped up, or just got fed up with us, the best of luck to him, we can do better.
The Accrington manager would interest me. If he does not get the MK job he will pick something up, and although he may not think so it will be because the Board he is now at loggerheads with stood by him when he would have got his cards at any other club.
Tisdale is going in at MK.
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We've got a VSC Director, a fellow fan with no agenda than making sure the club is run properly in the eyes of fans, having regular one-on-ones with the CEO of the club and feeding back what he has been told in person, and loads of you throw it back in his face if it's not the info you want/expect/like. Other than that what more can we f*cking ask of the club?
"Never mind that, I want a statement from the club, in writing, on the website, so I can sleep at night"....
WTF?
Grow up.
Some of them won't be happy unless they're part of the interview panel so that they know everything that happens!
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Harsh on Martin that Glyn. He's updating us where he can.
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Harsh on Martin that Glyn. He's updating us where he can.
I said 'them'.
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Is everyone ignoring the fact there has been an open secret that he has been in for the MK Dons job according to their forum since before May 20th.
If the board got wind of it they would not like it, if he has got the job the statement shifts the blame onto the board, and he looks good, and it is announced a little later.
I await the outcome with interest. He could have been tapped up, or just got fed up with us, the best of luck to him, we can do better.
The Accrington manager would interest me. If he does not get the MK job he will pick something up, and although he may not think so it will be because the Board he is now at loggerheads with stood by him when he would have got his cards at any other club.
Tisdale is going in at MK.
Does that prediction include penalties, or not?
Genuine question.
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We've got a VSC Director, a fellow fan with no agenda than making sure the club is run properly in the eyes of fans, having regular one-on-ones with the CEO of the club and feeding back what he has been told in person, and loads of you throw it back in his face if it's not the info you want/expect/like. Other than that what more can we f*cking ask of the club?
"Never mind that, I want a statement from the club, in writing, on the website, so I can sleep at night"....
WTF?
Grow up.
Have you lost your marbles?
It's not a controversial request that the club communicate with the fans at large on very important, somewhat extraordinary issues. It's not controversial at all.
What has this got to do with a VSC Director? Who are you talking about and who is 'throwing it back in his face' regarding requesting for a simple statement?
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Why does he have to have found principles? It doesn’t mean he’s walked for the good of the club. I genuinely believe he’s gone because he doesn’t believe the resources are there to deliver what he wants, so will go somewhere that he believes matches his ambitions. The unrest in that sense was clear. I would direct you to the interview he gave stating that he doesn’t want to be a league one manager. But you can find it yourself.
Liam Hoden
The facts are - Rovers were caught cold with DF’s resignation. Yesterday was spent getting the house in order and deciding what they want rather than who they want. I don’t think discussions went on for particularly long on that front either #drfc
This quote seems to suggest, at least on rovers' part, there wasn't any unrest. So, again, it remains really really unclear to me what has gone on.
The only thing I can think of is that Ferguson has another job already lined up, and once its announced everything becomes a step clearer and any statement wouldn't be necessary.
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Milton Keynes are set to announce their new manager at 5pm tonight, I wonder if it'll be a familiar face...
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If Ferguson goes to MK Dons, one assumes we have a pretty strong breach of contract case. If we wanted to pursue that.
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Milton Keynes are set to announce their new manager at 5pm tonight, I wonder if it'll be a familiar face...
Tisdale has got the job.
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If Ferguson goes to MK Dons, one assumes we have a pretty strong breach of contract case. If we wanted to pursue that.
This is what I was alluding to in a post I made Yesterday
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
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It's not a controversial request that the club communicate with the fans at large on very important, somewhat extraordinary issues. It's not controversial at all.
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/ferguson/
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/recruitment-underway-for-new-manager/
They communicated with the fans. Just because they haven't told people juicy details that certain people demand, doesn't mean they haven't communicated.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
:that:
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
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It's not a controversial request that the club communicate with the fans at large on very important, somewhat extraordinary issues. It's not controversial at all.
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/ferguson/
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/june/recruitment-underway-for-new-manager/
They communicated with the fans. Just because they haven't told people juicy details that certain people demand, doesn't mean they haven't communicated.
I think its you who needs to grow up if you think I'm after 'juicy gossip'.
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I didn't say you did?
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
The vast majority of clubs are nowhere near as open with their fans as this one.
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Just out of interest, how much detail of the clubs goings on were made public, immediately, in 1969 and in the years since?
Just because modern technology allows for more immediate information sharing, it doesn’t mean we have any right to expect that..
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When Fergie became manager he was asked by Radio Sheffield what had attracted him to the post. If my memory serves me correct he said something along the lines of ' The timing just felt right, the club felt right. Doncaster are known to be a well run club in football, I met with the board & was impressed with where they see the club going & I want to be a part of that. I felt the fit was right. I haven't met the players yet although obviously I know one or two of them.'
We were relegated.
Fergie had the opportunity to bounce back up with a winners medal, we all know what happened there.
We've had a season of consolidation. Fergie (going on past interviews & comments) 2 & a half years on no longer believes he can take the club any further, whatever the reasons for his change of stance ('Doncaster are known to be a well run club in football') he's gone. Has he been pursued by another club? Does he believe he can now do better than Doncaster Rovers just as he did when he left P/boro for Preston? And we all know what happened there.
Even Dean Saunders managed to 'cobble together' a team to get straight back into the Championship. Was he given a better budget than Fergie in order to do so?
The football has improved but let's be realistic, it'd be difficult not to improve on what Dickov was serving up!
So adios Fergie. Happier now with your c.v.?
So here's to the new manager. I trust this board will choose the right man. You'll be inheriting a better set of players than Fergie did granted. Just play left footed players on the left & right on the right, wingers as wingers & full backs as full backs, it generally works better.
And CIM, take a chill pill man. Go make a banner or something. Stop banging on about supporters being left in the dark, 'chastising' the board for not coming out with all guns blazing crying "It's all lies about the size of the budget, do yer hear me lies (eyes widening in Private Frazier manner) all lies I tell ye!"
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Bro, I'm quite chill as it is stands thanks. And if you're mixing me up with someone complaining about the budget then that's what you've done, you've mixed me up.
Why is there such an us and them mentality on this forum? Can't someone request a simple statement without being put in one camp or another.
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
I think that you are in the "scrag end" of opinion
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Even Dean Saunders managed to 'cobble together' a team to get straight back into the Championship. Was he given a better budget than Fergie in order to do so?
Colin the team that was cobbled together had a high wage bill for league 1, infact I was told that those wages were unsustainable. I appreciate it five years.
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
The vast majority of clubs are nowhere near as open with their fans as this one.
I am amazed that you have the time to study the communications with so many other clubs and their fans
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Bore off. How many other clubs do you genuinely think communicate with their fans the way ours does? how many clubs do you think give the fans the chance to speak directly to the owners twice a year the way ours does?
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
The vast majority of clubs are nowhere near as open with their fans as this one.
I am amazed that you have the time to study the communications with so many other clubs and their fans
Strangely enough I've been doing it for a long time!!
Because of the recent changes in rules around fan engagement activities all clubs have to report back to the EFL and EPL. We, as the FSF, then meet with both organisations and compare notes. We discussed the latest results just 10 days ago with the EFL.
And guess what? RedJ is spot on!!
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
The vast majority of clubs are nowhere near as open with their fans as this one.
I am amazed that you have the time to study the communications with so many other clubs and their fans
Strangely enough I've been doing it for a long time!!
Because of the recent changes in rules around fan engagement activities all clubs have to report back to the EFL and EPL. We, as the FSF, then meet with both organisations and compare notes. We discussed the latest results just 10 days ago with the EFL.
And guess what? RedJ is spot on!!
Oh I didn't realise RedJ was on the the FSF
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I don't have to be to know that very few clubs organise six monthly meet the owner events. That alone surely puts us further ahead of the vast majority of clubs for openness, no? being able to speak directly to the people who own the club?
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Even Dean Saunders managed to 'cobble together' a team to get straight back into the Championship. Was he given a better budget than Fergie in order to do so?
Yes. He was. By a long way.
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At the end of the day, maybe it all comes down to whether or not you have faith in those running and financing our club.
I do have faith in them, so I tend on balance to give them the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
They will say what needs to be said when they are ready to do so, and that's good enough for me.
If taking a little time means that we get a clearer picture, that's fine.
I also think it's important that they maintain some dignity for the club rather than rushing out with comments that have not been fully considered, unlike some others.
I think the club is incredibly well run and I am greatful that the board fund a shortfall which gives us a competitive but realistic budget for the size of club we are.
I don't think any of that absolves responsibility to inform fans of key decisions being taken.
Some posters on here find themselves in the awkward position of wanting the fans to have greater steak in the club, but then thinking the fans don't directly need to be informed.
What other industry ignores its patrons like football does, then every year expects your financial support whilst not being listened to on issues that effect the very essence that makes a club what it is , it’s supporters . It is a results based industry and as such our board are under achieving when comes to its 5 year planning strategy. We are privileged to have them but it’s folly to say they are on top of their game.
The vast majority of clubs are nowhere near as open with their fans as this one.
I am amazed that you have the time to study the communications with so many other clubs and their fans
Strangely enough I've been doing it for a long time!!
Because of the recent changes in rules around fan engagement activities all clubs have to report back to the EFL and EPL. We, as the FSF, then meet with both organisations and compare notes. We discussed the latest results just 10 days ago with the EFL.
And guess what? RedJ is spot on!!
Oh I didn't realise RedJ was on the the FSF
I didn't realise other clubs hold their fan meetings in secret.
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You obviously don't know the funny handshake code to get in, Glyn?
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Does Nial Mason?
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Even Dean Saunders managed to 'cobble together' a team to get straight back into the Championship. Was he given a better budget than Fergie in order to do so?
Yes. He was. By a long way.
By what percentage?