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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyOsmond on June 18, 2018, 07:51:13 pm
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-set-for-delay-in-appointing-new-manager-1-9212028 (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-set-for-delay-in-appointing-new-manager-1-9212028)
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Two chaps invited back for round two. Let the speculation start.
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
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Two chaps invited back for round two. Let the speculation start.
The names in the Rumour Mill perhaps.
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They should make Strachan caretaker manager and allow him and Wilcox to make some signings.
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Absolutely unbelievable. It's a disgrace the situation we are heading into a new season. 😡😡
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They should make Strachan caretaker manager and allow him and Wilcox to make some signings.
Absolutely. Just wasting time waiting.
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
I agree, the new man needs time to get in to the job, what good will a second interview do
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They should make Strachan caretaker manager and allow him and Wilcox to make some signings.
At last someone who can see the woods for trees .
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If they make the right choice then ultimately a slight delay won't matter. It's not ideal mind, but the first few days of pre-season training are fitness based anyway.
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
I agree, the new man needs time to get in to the job, what good will a second interview do
Make certain we appoint the right man? Or is that too simple an explanation?
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They should make Strachan caretaker manager and allow him and Wilcox to make some signings.
What if it's signing the future manager wont want?
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Tend to agree just get on with it.
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
I agree, the new man needs time to get in to the job, what good will a second interview do
Make certain we appoint the right man? Or is that too simple an explanation?
You cannot ever be certain can you? Or do you know something the rest of humanity doesn’t? There has to be a decision. They’ve spoken to them all, seen their records, interrogated them. What more can they learn now?
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If the board think they need another chat to find the right man then so be it. It’s not fantasy football.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
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I have every confidence in the board. I can't see a problem with delaying the announcement of who our new manager will be. September should be easily long enough for him to assess who the decent players left after all the others have been snapped up whilst he is waiting for his letter of appointment.
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Dither, dither, dither.
It's to be hoped McCall hasn't got his name down anywhere else.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
Let’s hope history isn’t repeating!
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
Let’s hope history isn’t repeating!
Agreed
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
And that really worked out well didn't it.
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If the 2 candidates couldn't be separated then there needs to be a tie-break of some sort and the board decided a a second interview was the way
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Hope it's not gonna be decided on who comes back with the cheapest quote to do the job! :chair:
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
I agree, the new man needs time to get in to the job, what good will a second interview do
Make certain we appoint the right man? Or is that too simple an explanation?
You cannot ever be certain can you? Or do you know something the rest of humanity doesn’t? There has to be a decision. They’ve spoken to them all, seen their records, interrogated them. What more can they learn now?
If there's only two being called back, they'll have the time to be going into much greater depth about specifics. You don't think they're just going to go over the same ground as in the first interview again do you?
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McCall and Hasslebaink would be my guess..
Can’t see what else they need off of them though? They’ve had an interview, what else is there to find out?
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
And that really worked out well didn't it.
Appleton narrowly lost out in the "Are you John Ryan's neighbour?" category.
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I've never understood how interviewers with no idea of how to do the job themselves are qualified to decide who actually is best for the position.
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I've never understood how interviewers with no idea of how to do the job themselves are qualified to decide who actually is best for the position.
That's basically the recruitment industry.
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So is the recruitment all down to which applicant has got the best interview technique, or which one has the best-proven record?
If it's what it should be, the latter, why should there be the need for a second interview?
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So is the recruitment all down to which applicant has got the best interview technique, or which one has the best-proven record?
If it's what it should be, the latter, why should there be the need for a second interview?
No idea, I'm not involved in the process.
Perhaps you could contact the club directly and ask them?
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Or perhaps if you haven't got anything to offer to the debate, don't get involved.
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So is the recruitment all down to which applicant has got the best interview technique, or which one has the best-proven record?
If it's what it should be, the latter, why should there be the need for a second interview?
If you just want to use past record, why the need for a first interview? A five minute chat on the phone would do just as well.
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The one thing it might show is Strachan hasn’t got the job, if he applied
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If I was unqualified to assess the quality of a person I was interviewing, I would definitely go for their past record as opposed to their sales patter.
Unless, of course, I was going for a cheaper option.
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So there's no possibility of a longer, second interview being used to get past any sales patter? Or is that too logical?
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How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
I've heard from someone in the know that sir John Ryan picked Dickov on his own,but any excuse to have a go at Sir John.
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Thought we were getting better but we are still a joke
Amateurish at best
Come on pull your fingers out and get the job done
Signings to be made
Prevarication
He who hesitates is lost lost lost
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Maybe they want to discuss in more detail what the potential managers want to do and how they plan on doing it? because there's lots to go through, if you think you can gauge someone's fit for a job like this after an hour or two and a CV your wrong
I think this is where the club, by giving fans so much information, open themselves up to criticism. i think its great by the way don't know many clubs where you'd know this much about bringing in a new manager but also not know who the candidates are (obviously we've a good idea but nothing for sure)
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I don’t see why this is such an issue, a few extra days to wait in June won’t kill us.
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
Is this theory the same for all interviews or just those for hiring a football manager?
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
What should they do then? Appoint a former manager to conduct the interviews? not sure what you expect it's so important to get it right why wouldn't they wait until they are 100% sure, a week delay won't make much difference to signings
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
Who says the interview panel know nothing about football if strachan hasn’t applied maybe the board has asked him to sit in on the interviews or come up with a list of questions to help guide them.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
And that really worked out well didn't it.
As already stated John Ryan made the decision
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Want to find one with a pen
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If the 2 candidates couldn't be separated then there needs to be a tie-break of some sort and the board decided a a second interview was the way
Rock, paper, scissors
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That’s ridiculous. Utterly staggering. What more can be said in an interview?! Just make a decision and get on with planning for the new season.
Unbelievable.
are you for real. Second interviews he born now in any interview process
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In an interview all the panel ask the candidates the same questions and the score everyone on what the answer was thereby finding the best candidate
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Frustrating and I'd prefer us to just get on with it. However, if the extra few days means the best qualified manager gets the job, so be it.
It's an important turning point for the club this. Opportunity to appoint a better manager who will take the club forward. Hope we get it right.
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Or perhaps if you haven't got anything to offer to the debate, don't get involved.
Or if you think you know better offer your services instead of sarcasm, sniping or comments hoping to sound better than those you respond to, it’s a long way from being the first time you’ve done it.
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I'm surprised people still actually bite at his very thinly veiled digs at the board...
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DVR, if you read the Vaya's post to me you might understand why I thought it was him being sarcastic, and if you want to go further back you might find it wasn't the first time.
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I've never understood how interviewers with no idea of how to do the job themselves are qualified to decide who actually is best for the position.
Good point. Maybe they should employ someone who does know the game, then THEY could do the recruitment.
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Frustrating and I'd prefer us to just get on with it. However, if the extra few days means the best qualified manager gets the job, so be it.
It's an important turning point for the club this. Opportunity to appoint a better manager who will take the club forward. Hope we get it right.
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Absolutely. Most of you think you know it all but clearly don't. You're just guessing. Stop f*cking whinging and stop arguing about something you have no control over. Enjoy the world Cup. A week will not hurt as long as the board believe they've got the right man.
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
What should they do then? Appoint a former manager to conduct the interviews? not sure what you expect it's so important to get it right why wouldn't they wait until they are 100% sure, a week delay won't make much difference to signings
They could go on past results for a start. You don't need to hire an expert to do this.
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DVR, if you read the Vaya's post to me you might understand why I thought it was him being sarcastic, and if you want to go further back you might find it wasn't the first time.
Fair enough BB
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
What should they do then? Appoint a former manager to conduct the interviews? not sure what you expect it's so important to get it right why wouldn't they wait until they are 100% sure, a week delay won't make much difference to signings
They could go on past results for a start. You don't need to hire an expert to do this.
How do you know they didn't go on past results to draw up the shortlist?
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I'm not bothered that the process is going to take longer. If a second interview is essential, then fair enough. What I can't understand though is, if this is a regular necessity in football manager interviewing, why didn't they allow more time for this originally instead of having to delay the announcement of the successful applicant?
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By knowing how to interview people and peel away the bullshit.
How do interviewers with little knowledge of the job in hand know whether sales patter is genuine or bullshit?
What should they do then? Appoint a former manager to conduct the interviews? not sure what you expect it's so important to get it right why wouldn't they wait until they are 100% sure, a week delay won't make much difference to signings
They could go on past results for a start. You don't need to hire an expert to do this.
How do you know they didn't go on past results to draw up the shortlist?
I don't! I just hope they did! I can only hope that the second interviewees have identical records!
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
That's a strange comment :ermm: They can, but they need the 2nd interview first - as you'll see. My money's on Tweedle Dum.
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I'm not bothered that the process is going to take longer. If a second interview is essential, then fair enough. What I can't understand though is, if this is a regular necessity in football manager interviewing, why didn't they allow more time for this originally instead of having to delay the announcement of the successful applicant?
How can they know how close two candidates would be and allow more time before they had the first interviews?
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
Go on then, which one would you have?
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
Go on then, which one would you have?
Surely he would need Dee to complete the set 😉
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
Go on then, which one would you have?
Put your name you sound like a proper pick I mean r
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It typically DRFC can’t decide between tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum .
Go on then, which one would you have?
Put your name you sound like a proper pick I mean r
Ooh, so wounding.
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I'm not bothered that the process is going to take longer. If a second interview is essential, then fair enough. What I can't understand though is, if this is a regular necessity in football manager interviewing, why didn't they allow more time for this originally instead of having to delay the announcement of the successful applicant?
How can they know how close two candidates would be and allow more time before they had the first interviews?
They should have allowed time for it, especially as it's a regular occurrence, don't you think?
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It will certainly be interesting to learn who the 2 are.
Surely, they must be 2 'outstanding candidates'?
That's another week without a manager and how much longer for the new man to get the quality players we need for a top 6 position next season?
Incredible!
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One could take training Monday, and one Tuesday, and then ask the players which one they like, after all the players and staff should be well qualified on dud managers, the older ones anyway he he.
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May be the time delay is to see if one backs out then the choice is easy. If both back out then we are like players on the CEO list we’ll be down to third or fourth choice.
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"to see if one backs out"? f**king hell :laugh:
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We need a boss asp by the time he's looked at the squad and decided who he wants the transfer window will be closed I think it shuts the first week in August so it looks like we're getting players that no one wants that are free and cheap
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They’ve made decision and he wants to speak to family and if it’s no then the second choice has got the job .
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I'd like to know what the 'logistical issues' are.
Can anyone enlighten us?
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We need a boss asp by the time he's looked at the squad and decided who he wants the transfer window will be closed I think it shuts the first week in August so it looks like we're getting players that no one wants that are free and cheap
Yeah, free agents, shit them eh. Not like the majority of our better players in recent years have been free agents or came on nominal fees, eh? Jesus wept, moaning for the sake of moaning before we even know what's happening.
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"to see if one backs out"? f**king hell :laugh:
You don’t think I’m serious doh!! What a plonker you are
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Or s hope neither of them read this forum or we are all f***
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We need a boss asp by the time he's looked at the squad and decided who he wants the transfer window will be closed I think it shuts the first week in August so it looks like we're getting players that no one wants that are free and cheap
Don’t worry about that excuses will be ready, it’ll be DF’s fault for resigning.
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I'd like to know what the 'logistical issues' are.
Can anyone enlighten us?
They've both got a puncture on their pushbikes
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2 things that genuinely worry me about all this.
1. Why the f##k is this taking so long?
2. Why the f##k is Liam Hoden feeding us more info than DRFC?
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I'd like to know what the 'logistical issues' are.
Can anyone enlighten us?
They've both got a puncture on their pushbikes
I've a feeling it's got nothing to do with the two candidates.
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Maybe the community hall they are using for the interviews has got chess club or the w.i. meeting on so now waiting until next week when it's free again.
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We need a boss asp by the time he's looked at the squad and decided who he wants the transfer window will be closed I think it shuts the first week in August so it looks like we're getting players that no one wants that are free and cheap
Or, other clubs in the league have signed their major newcomers so have little budget left to allocate, teams in the league above have also chosen most of theirs, and so we end up being the main option for Championship players without a home - silver linings and all :cool:
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At least we won't hear the old cliche "******* was our number one choice"
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I'm not bothered that the process is going to take longer. If a second interview is essential, then fair enough. What I can't understand though is, if this is a regular necessity in football manager interviewing, why didn't they allow more time for this originally instead of having to delay the announcement of the successful applicant?
How can they know how close two candidates would be and allow more time before they had the first interviews?
They should have allowed time for it, especially as it's a regular occurrence, don't you think?
What's a regular occurrence - that two candidates are so close they need a second interview?
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Can’t decide if this is good news and the board are being thorough or whether it’s another debacle meaning the new manager will have no time to sign players. Hopefully this will be resolved very soon after the interviews
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Can’t decide if this is good news and the board are being thorough or whether it’s another debacle meaning the new manager will have no time to sign players. Hopefully this will be resolved very soon after the interviews
How is a few days going to make much of a difference? Don't most player's contracts run to the end of June anyway?
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Cant decide if this is good news and the board are being thorough or whether its another debacle meaning the new manager will have no time to sign players. Hopefully this will be resolved very soon after the interviews
How is a few days going to make much of a difference? Don't most player's contracts run to the end of June anyway?
You can still sign players if they are out of contract or have been released, although they don't officially move until 1st July.
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The difference another week could make is whoever is to become the next manager will have targets hopefully this delay in appointing a manager means he could potentially lose that target and this is why speed is the essence.
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The difference another week could make is whoever is to become the next manager will have targets hopefully this delay in appointing a manager means he could potentially lose that target and this is why speed is the essence.
I'm sure any good manager worth his salt has more than one alternative for every position on his radar. If he hasn't, I don't want him as manager of Rovers.
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My firm always do two interviews unless one candidate is so far ahead of the rest of the field. First interview by two partners and then the second by two others to get fresh eyes on it. I always assumed it was standard practice when hiring and would have expected Rovers to do that.
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My firm always do two interviews unless one candidate is so far ahead of the rest of the field. First interview by two partners and then the second by two others to get fresh eyes on it. I always assumed it was standard practice when hiring and would have expected Rovers to do that.
Good practice? We don't want any of that at Rovers!!
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It doesn't often happen in football because club boards know who they want to appoint, approach them, interview and then appoint.
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It doesn't often happen in football because club boards know who they want to appoint, approach them, interview and then appoint.
Exactly. It’s hardly as if we’re carefully assessing two unknown quantities. Their records are public, and there are infinite people that can be contacted throughout the game to verify their credentials behind the scenes. I cannot see what there is to be gained from a second interview in these circumstances, particularly when weighed against the fact that pre season begins before it even takes place.
And just because one party may deliver a slicker interview does not necessarily make them a better candidate to do the job. We’re not appointing a salesman, I hope.
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It doesn't often happen in football because club boards know who they want to appoint, approach them, interview and then appoint.
Exactly. It’s hardly as if we’re carefully assessing two unknown quantities. Their records are public, and there are infinite people that can be contacted throughout the game to verify their credentials behind the scenes. I cannot see what there is to be gained from a second interview in these circumstances, particularly when weighed against the fact that pre season begins before it even takes place.
And just because one party may deliver a slicker interview does not necessarily make them a better candidate to do the job. We’re not appointing a salesman, I hope.
Absolutely.
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Do mourinho, guardiola, konte etc interview?
Highly doubt it, more like a meet and greet.
This is an industry unlike any other, the record from previous clubs it 95% of it.
Quite astonished about this delay, if it's the right man, you know.
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Frustrating and I'd prefer us to just get on with it. However, if the extra few days means the best qualified manager gets the job, so be it.
It's an important turning point for the club this. Opportunity to appoint a better manager who will take the club forward. Hope we get it right.
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Absolutely. Most of you think you know it all but clearly don't. You're just guessing. Stop f*cking whinging and stop arguing about something you have no control over. Enjoy the world Cup. A week will not hurt as long as the board believe they've got the right man.
We were trying to enjoy the World Cup. This all came out during the game last night.
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Now on the official site. Second interviews Monday. Appointment next week. Let's hope so.
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The difference another week could make is whoever is to become the next manager will have targets hopefully this delay in appointing a manager means he could potentially lose that target and this is why speed is the essence.
I'm sure any good manager worth his salt has more than one alternative for every position on his radar. If he hasn't, I don't want him as manager of Rovers.
Aye, they will have 1st, 2nd and sometimes 3rd choice players.
When there 1st choice is gone, your onto your 2nd and 3rd choice.
There's a reason tgey aren't 1st choice, they aren't as good.
This delay could be quite costly
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Do mourinho, guardiola, konte etc interview?
Highly doubt it, more like a meet and greet.
This is an industry unlike any other, the record from previous clubs it 95% of it.
Quite astonished about this delay, if it's the right man, you know.
I'm not sure you can really compare the best managers in the world with applicants to a midtable League One club...
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The manager is the single most important role in the club. This person you would hope be a long-term appointment. Recruiting such an essential part of the club after reading a CV and a few hours of interview would seem fairly scant scrutiny. Timing is clearly not great but stitch in time saves nine and all that.
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I once went through a four stage process at PwC. Perhaps after the next stage interviews the candidates can progress to taking psychometric tests and delivering a short presentation. We need to be certain, after all.
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Do mourinho, guardiola, konte etc interview?
Highly doubt it, more like a meet and greet.
This is an industry unlike any other, the record from previous clubs it 95% of it.
Quite astonished about this delay, if it's the right man, you know.
I'm not sure you can really compare the best managers in the world with applicants to a midtable League One club...
Of course you can, its relative.
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Jonathan, That's a good idea, we should have psychometric tests and a presentation to POST ON HERE, now that would be interesting.
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I once went through a four stage process at PwC. Perhaps after the next stage interviews the candidates can progress to taking psychometric tests and delivering a short presentation. We need to be certain, after all.
Assessment centre perhaps?
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
Can't say I've ever dealt with them.
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
Can't say I've ever dealt with them.
You want to hope you don't, my lad gets messed about by them every week, sending him to pointless courses and presentations that have nothing to do with getting a job, he has to attend these at his own expense, they told him to buy a weekly bus ticket, about £23 I think, thats a big chunk of his UC took attending things that have no relevence to job seeking, all to avoid being sanctioned
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
Can't say I've ever dealt with them.
You want to hope you don't, my lad gets messed about by them every week, sending him to pointless courses and presentations that have nothing to do with getting a job, he has to attend these at his own expense, they told him to buy a weekly bus ticket, about £23 I think, thats a big chunk of his UC took attending things that have no relevence to job seeking, all to avoid being sanctioned
Get him to ask if they'll cover the costs. I had to go on a volunteer placement when I was looking for work a few years ago and they put the cost of the travel on top of my JSA as it was then. Not sure what the rules are these days but it's worth asking, worst they can do is say no. But yeah they don't really give a f**k.
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Selecting suitable applicants was a lot easier back in the 70's. If you wanted a secretary and couldn't decide between two short-listed applicants you picked the one with the biggest tits.
I trust Rovers have moved on from that process but failing that I hope one of the remaining candidates isn't Paul Gascoigne.
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
Can't say I've ever dealt with them.
You want to hope you don't, my lad gets messed about by them every week, sending him to pointless courses and presentations that have nothing to do with getting a job, he has to attend these at his own expense, they told him to buy a weekly bus ticket, about £23 I think, thats a big chunk of his UC took attending things that have no relevence to job seeking, all to avoid being sanctioned
Get him to ask if they'll cover the costs. I had to go on a volunteer placement when I was looking for work a few years ago and they put the cost of the travel on top of my JSA as it was then. Not sure what the rules are these days but it's worth asking, worst they can do is say no. But yeah they don't really give a f**k.
He did ask, they told him to buy a weekly bus ticket, every week, he said he did n't know when they were going to send him on any of these poitless things so could wast his miney on something he didn't need, they are just jumped up power mad jobsworths in the job centre
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Perhaps it’s the people carrying out Unversal Credit that’s conducting the interviews, we all know how professional they are !!
Can't say I've ever dealt with them.
You want to hope you don't, my lad gets messed about by them every week, sending him to pointless courses and presentations that have nothing to do with getting a job, he has to attend these at his own expense, they told him to buy a weekly bus ticket, about £23 I think, thats a big chunk of his UC took attending things that have no relevence to job seeking, all to avoid being sanctioned
Get him to ask if they'll cover the costs. I had to go on a volunteer placement when I was looking for work a few years ago and they put the cost of the travel on top of my JSA as it was then. Not sure what the rules are these days but it's worth asking, worst they can do is say no. But yeah they don't really give a f**k.
Why do you think they're replacing JSA with UC? So they have a new set of regulations to tell people 'no' with.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
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I have every confidence in the board. I can't see a problem with delaying the announcement of who our new manager will be. September should be easily long enough for him to assess who the decent players left after all the others have been snapped up whilst he is waiting for his letter of appointment.
the answer is in your statement, when all the dross is left or as you have put it, same thing really
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
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It does not matter what process we had before or who we got in. WE NEED A MANAGER IN AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO BRING IN HIS OWN PLAYERS / CONTACTS BEFORE OTHER PROGRESSIVE CLUBS GET THEM
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Selecting suitable applicants was a lot easier back in the 70's. If you wanted a secretary and couldn't decide between two short-listed applicants you picked the one with the biggest tits.
I trust Rovers have moved on from that process but failing that I hope one of the remaining candidates isn't Paul Gascoigne.
What if a man had the biggest BB?
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another opportunity to bash JR :facepalm:
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It's far too simplistic to suggest that signing players is a case of first come first served which leaves the dross for everybody else.
A lot of good players and agent's will bide their time waiting for the right club and the right deal. Many will find that they've waited too long and will have to reduce their demands. The best players won't take the first offer that comes in.
Most players, and managers to be fair, are still on their holidays. They wont be doing anything drastic for quite some time.
I would suggest we take a chill pill.
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Do you know the real reason for the delay and why we are not interviewing again today, or tomorrow?
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Re. Mark Yates. Just seen he's taken the job at Macclesfield Town. Big loss to Solihull Moors. Would have been good for us IMO.
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Do you know the real reason for the delay and why we are not interviewing again today, or tomorrow?
I don't care what the reason is except there is obviously a reason otherwise it would have been done by now.
Do people think they are delaying it to piss people off?
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Do you know the real reason for the delay and why we are not interviewing again today, or tomorrow?
I don't care what the reason is except there is obviously a reason otherwise it would have been done by now.
Do people think they are delaying it to piss people off?
Logistical reasons, the club pool car has broken down?
One of the interview panel's car has broken down?
Both potential managers cars have broken down?
Everyones car has broken down?
😀😀😀
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Do you know the real reason for the delay and why we are not interviewing again today, or tomorrow?
I don't care what the reason is except there is obviously a reason otherwise it would have been done by now.
Do people think they are delaying it to piss people off?
Logistical reasons, the club pool car has broken down?
One of the interview panel's car has broken down?
Both potential managers cars have broken down?
Everyones car has broken down?
😀😀😀
The pen has gone walkabout again?
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another opportunity to bash JR :facepalm:
How is stating a fact bashing him? I leave the speculating without any to you, given your such an expert at it.
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Do you know the real reason for the delay and why we are not interviewing again today, or tomorrow?
I don't care what the reason is except there is obviously a reason otherwise it would have been done by now.
Do people think they are delaying it to piss people off?
Logistical reasons, the club pool car has broken down?
One of the interview panel's car has broken down?
Both potential managers cars have broken down?
Everyones car has broken down?
😀😀😀
They could always get a taxi.
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It's far too simplistic to suggest that signing players is a case of first come first served which leaves the dross for everybody else.
A lot of good players and agent's will bide their time waiting for the right club and the right deal. Many will find that they've waited too long and will have to reduce their demands. The best players won't take the first offer that comes in.
Most players, and managers to be fair, are still on their holidays. They wont be doing anything drastic for quite some time.
I would suggest we take a chill pill.
That is my thinking too. the one worry I do have is that we do not have anyone from a footballing background either on the board or this interview panel. Normally you would know the man you are after because of either his reputation and/or track record.
the process we are going through now does not suggest otherwise and if I were a manager would feel a little disappointed that I am being made to do a second interview and that they have not seen enough in me or understand my credentials.
It is a two way process which is different from a normal business environment.
The whole thing just leaves me feeling quite unexcited and beige (which I imagine is the new colour of the board room walls and floors - we don't want to go being too risky and exiting now do we ;-)
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it's a few days delay on a really important decision...Don't understand what people are getting worked up about..They want to make sure they have left no stone unturned in doing there due diligence..And rightly so
I'm sure they are talking to people who have worked with them,etc etc getting as full a picture as they can prior to any appointment.The timeframe will still be much shorter than most of the clubs who have changed manager this summer..it's not a problem but professionalism in my eyes..
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
Silver membership plus
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-third-candidate-joins-race-for-manager-s-job-1-9213040/amp?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-third-candidate-joins-race-for-manager-s-job-1-9213040/amp?__twitter_impression=true)
Bit of news.
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Almost certainly explains it for me. A 3rd, probably on paper a lot better candidate, has applied at the last minute. There is hope I think.
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Almost certainly explains it for me. A 3rd, probably on paper a lot better candidate, has applied at the last minute. There is hope I think.
Thats how I see it as well
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
Silver membership plus
Ah the one where you pay an extra £150 to get a free shirt.
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
Silver membership plus
Ah the one where you pay an extra £150 to get a free shirt.
Along with the other stuff...
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
Silver membership plus
Ah the one where you pay an extra £150 to get a free shirt.
And a car parking space, which to many is very useful.
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They obviously don't use the same interview procedure in other areas of the club, going on the piss about I had this morning picking up my silver membership free shirt
What free shirt is that then?
Silver membership plus
Ah the one where you pay an extra £150 to get a free shirt.
Yes, I can afford it, you also get free car parking, a free matchday programme and a free pound draw ticket, at all that together aling with the £150 shirt and it works out a lot dearer than £150
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I wasn't aware that I had applied, but when I get back off of my holidays on Sunday & l will let you know if I have a letter waiting for me from the club, inviting me for an interview.
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Good luck Bob.
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The good thing we have two highly qualified managers in the running for the job. The interviewers can decide between the pair they both must fit all the criteria required.
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Tough on the 3rd candidate that Steve.
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It seems to me to be a way of getting No.3 in. So why not simply interview him and decide who to employ. I cant see anything ( other than salary) being discussed as surely all that could be asked and could be answered was at interview 1. Candidate 3 must be special to allow him in at this stage.
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Here we go how is this. Mick McCarthy was on talk sport yesterday in Russia, they asked him if he was staying for the whole tournament and he said he due's not know yet as he had a bit of football business in Wakefield the other day and he does not know how it is going to go could that be our managers job he is on about
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
some on here can't leave the JR thing alone they are obsessed by blaming him for everything
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Tough on the 3rd candidate that Steve.
Tough on all three but when the board has said we are aiming for the top six, not hope to be, then it will be a tough decision
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
Good grief it’s only yourself and other current board bashers that would interpret it that way, if I was going to have a dig it wouldn’t be veiled at all. Simply stating a fact.
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Some people obviously weren't around when he saved the club from oblivion.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
some on here can't leave the JR thing alone they are obsessed by blaming him for everything
How am I blaming him for everything, You brought up last time to illustrate things are going to be as bad with this appointment, I only stated that it’s different because of the reason given. Vicar you have an axe to grind with the current board for some reason don’t try to deflect by making assumptions about me.
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Does that include if it had not been for him saving our club we would not have a club to support now would we
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JR was great but let's not pretend he didn't make some bad calls down the years.
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
some on here can't leave the JR thing alone they are obsessed by blaming him for everything
How am I blaming him for everything, You brought up last time to illustrate things are going to be as bad with this appointment, I only stated that it’s different because of the reason given. Vicar you have an axe to grind with the current board for some reason don’t try to deflect by making assumptions about me.
i never made assumptions about you at all i just said some on here or is that a guilt complex
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Here we go how is this. Mick McCarthy was on talk sport yesterday in Russia, they asked him if he was staying for the whole tournament and he said he due's not know yet as he had a bit of football business in Wakefield the other day and he does not know how it is going to go could that be our managers job he is on about
God I hope so but I dont hold much hope out... It would be the most excited I have been since we signed Billy Sharp!!
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Does that in club if it had not been for him saving our club we would not have a club to support now would we
What does that have to do with the point I made? In what way have I disagreed with you about JR’s part in the rise of our club?
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It happened when Dickov was appointed, he and Appleton were invited back.
and look what shit we got then
And as stated before the person responsible for employing him is no longer at the club.
Another thinly veiled unnecessary dig at JR there.
some on here can't leave the JR thing alone they are obsessed by blaming him for everything
How am I blaming him for everything, You brought up last time to illustrate things are going to be as bad with this appointment, I only stated that it’s different because of the reason given. Vicar you have an axe to grind with the current board for some reason don’t try to deflect by making assumptions about me.
i never made assumptions about you at all i just said some on here or is that a guilt complex
You replied to my post saying I was having a go! You need to read before you post pal
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We never know till it happens
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But did i name you personally the answer is NO. I quoted a lot of people not just you
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Some people obviously weren't around when he saved the club from oblivion.
Some of us were around before then, who do you think sold out to Richardson?
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Back on topic, if the third candidate turns out to be the best applicant, I wonder if they will ask him back for a second interview?
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But did i name you personally the answer is NO. I quoted a lot of people not just you
You quoted my post so yes you did
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If you look you will ce i quoted a few yours was just included in the others and i cant remove them can i deeer
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Vicar, he said on talksport he was going to a wedding in Wakefield,and Did't mention football as a reason for coming back from Russia, We can live in hope though.
He did say he would have to brush up on his Yorkshire accent , as he was set to meet some good people from gods own country.
Not quite the same as mentioning football though.
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Back on topic, if the third candidate turns out to be the best applicant, I wonder if they will ask him back for a second interview?
And if they can’t decide after that, invite all three back for a final round. Assuming a fourth candidate doesn’t then enter the mix...
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My son said it was a business thing
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Back on topic, if the third candidate turns out to be the best applicant, I wonder if they will ask him back for a second interview?
And if they can’t decide after that, invite all three back for a final round. Assuming a fourth candidate doesn’t then enter the mix...
Ah, but if they did invite all three back for a final round then the first two would have had one more interview than the third man.
Would the first two be able to think of anything new to say?
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Some people obviously weren't around when he saved the club from oblivion.
Some of us were around before then, who do you think sold out to Richardson?
You also have selective memory. When he did sell out to Richardson it was seen as a positive move at the time. Nobody objected, it was only much later that we found out what a villain he was.
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i was physio at the rovers when he came in and he seemed a genuin nice guy when i met him,no one had any idea what he was going to end up like then i left as soon as i sust him outand went to Frickley
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Some people obviously weren't around when he saved the club from oblivion.
Some of us were around before then, who do you think sold out to Richardson?
You also have selective memory. When he did sell out to Richardson it was seen as a positive move at the time. Nobody objected, it was only much later that we found out what a villain he was.
Absolute rubbish. He had already been convicted regarding Flockton Grey and was in the middle of running Brid into the ground. He was already infamous. I got asked to leave the Park Hotel the first time Uncle Ken met the supporters as I'd turned up with photo copies of his exploits from the Guardian and Scarborough Echo. He had been up to dodgy dealings for years.
This whole argument about the messiah or naughty boy is tiresome.
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So about this new manager....
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So about this new manager....
Well he’ll be one of three.
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So about this new manager....
Well he’ll be one of three.
Hmmm - hints from Steve in the know?
He stoppeth one of three
The Ancient Mariner
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Taylor............
Aha ---- Peter Taylor it is then ;)
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Just as a point of interest, do any clubs prem or otherwise have person/s on the interview panel with a football background? Why are people getting so uptight about who is interviewing who? We got DF last time so they didn’t do too badly then
As for the 3rd interviewee, according to Liam said person was out of the country when original interviews took place let’s all be patient and wait for the announcement next week
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Just as a point of interest, do any clubs prem or otherwise have person/s on the interview panel with a football background? Why are people getting so uptight about who is interviewing who?
It's just another in a long line of sticks to beat the board with.
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I'm not sure what people mean about 'having a football background'. Did we ever complain about the owners of DRFC interviewing managers over the previous 40 years?
Today the current senior management have been steeped in football culture. They meet with owners and CEOs of other clubs every single week. The support they get from the EFL, LMA, FA, and other's is exceptional. Who are we to question if they are capable of selecting a manager? If it was my £2m I was throwing into the kitty I'd like to make sure I was selecting the best candidate.
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Can someone just summarise what's happening regarding the managerial appointment please? I can't be arsed to wade through all the you said this, he said that b*llocks
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
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I’m eternally grateful to our owners and would never question their commitment to the club, nor would I wish to entertain the prospect of a future for DRFC without them. They have my 100% support and always have. But I still think this convoluted recruitment process is barmy!
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Well said Selby , exactly my own thoughts.
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I’m eternally grateful to our owners and would never question their commitment to the club, nor would I wish to entertain the prospect of a future for DRFC without them. They have my 100% support and always have. But I still think this convoluted recruitment process is barmy!
We dont know the reason why,it is what it is , chill out !
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Selby, absolutely!!
We have the best CEO this club has ever had, we have the best back office support this club has ever had, we have the best financial model this club has ever had, we are returning the best accounts without debt this club has ever had, we are owned by people who want the best for this club and the Doncaster community!
And yet we see complaints that they are not football people!! Jesus! Give me a break please.
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Selby, absolutely!!
We have the best CEO this club has ever had, we have the best back office support this club has ever had, we have the best financial model this club has ever had, we are returning the best accounts without debt this club has ever had, we are owned by people who want the best for this club and the Doncaster community!
And yet we see complaints that they are not football people!! Jesus! Give me a break please.
Yes they will select a manager capable of achieving their goal of top six this season. Why should we be worried about the process they know what they are doing. When selected the manager will be backed to bring in 4/5 quality players to achieve their goal. Happy times a head.
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
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Some people ought to have Hubert Bates in their memory, as I have, then maybe they'd think differently about this current board.
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I wish we'd hurry up and appoint a manager so this forum can stop being full of people moaning about a short delay, and instead get back to normal...where the board is full of people moaning about the manager being rubbish.
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I wish we'd hurry up and appoint a manager so this forum can stop being full of people moaning about a short delay, and instead get back to normal...where the board is full of people moaning about the manager being rubbish.
They would only find something else to moan about
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God help us all when they do announce who it is...................it'll be Armageddon on here lol
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
Well that post has to be the most unreasonable and idiotic I have ever read of here.
As an aside, is that doll an inflatable one.
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God help us all when they do announce who it is...................it'll be Armageddon on here lol
that all depends who it is
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I’ve been for jobs with 3 and 4 stages of the interview process, have also been for some and missed out the first stage so it’s certainly not unusual.
Why worry if we get the best person for the job
Don’t get the bowing down bit by the way !!!
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I hope its not Lee Clark who walks thro the door first !
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
Have I wandered onto the DRFC Facebook page by mistake?
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There is a lot of people i hope its not
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of where would we be Now is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . Its down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as its not as though we have say anyway.
There are just no words to describe the idiocy of that post...You just cant put a argument up against it, because if you actually believe that's what should happen then you are on a different planet to the majority of us...
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It took Bradford City six weeks to promote their youth coach to the managers position. Imagine the fall out on here if that was us doing that.
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Similar to Bradford's, I imagine......
https://bantamtalk.com/index.php?threads/new-coach-michael-collins.486/
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If it is as bad a the BCFC fans are saying, what odds on them being relegated?
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I'd like to know what the 'logistical issues' are.
Can anyone enlighten us?
They've both got a puncture on their pushbikes
I've a feeling it's got nothing to do with the two candidates.
Maybe the interviewing venue is booked up rest of the week!
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I wish we'd hurry up and appoint a manager so this forum can stop being full of people moaning about a short delay, and instead get back to normal...where the board is full of people moaning about the manager being rubbish.
IT'S not a moan its a debate, if you have heard of one
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Heaven help us. Stick a dart in the first person that comes through the door? Jesus wept.
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I’d like to have seen someone stick a dart in Weaver.
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Wonder if this bloke ever got the Man Utd job
https://goo.gl/images/gHh39Q
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YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
dole
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YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
dole
BJW, maybe he thinks they are on an inflatable doll, as I mentioned earlier in the thread.
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I wish we'd hurry up and appoint a manager so this forum can stop being full of people moaning about a short delay, and instead get back to normal...where the board is full of people moaning about the manager being rubbish.
IT'S not a moan its a debate, if you have heard of one
Sometimes it is a debate Vicar but more often than not the forum is littered with unnecessary negativity and moaning for the sake of it.
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I’d like to have seen someone stick a dart in Weaver.
dont say that it will be construed as moaning
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Not childish at all.
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I wish we'd hurry up and appoint a manager so this forum can stop being full of people moaning about a short delay, and instead get back to normal...where the board is full of people moaning about the manager being rubbish.
IT'S not a moan its a debate, if you have heard of one
Sometimes it is a debate Vicar but more often than not the forum is littered with unnecessary negativity and moaning for the sake of it.
but sometimes it is good to have a goid moan, it gets rid of some of your frustrations dont you think but sometimes some people give cause to moan
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Not childish at all.
no truthful
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Some of the posts on here are beyond belief.
Moan, moan, moan. Get a life.
What’s this forum going to be like when the appointment is announced? I shudder to think.
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Not childish at all.
no truthful
It's not though is it.
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Since 1969, I object to being called brainwashed, as some people think I have not got a brain, and if you ask Cantley Rover, and Alan Southstand they will prove it.
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Not childish at all.
no truthful
It's not though is it.
i bet you are a bundle of laughter in your house boring sod lighten up lol
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SM. some people cannot see that the owners are the lifeblood of this club, and what a mess we would be in without them.
I wish we had had them in charge years ago, as in my time we have had some really poor ones, and not just Richardson, interspersed with good people who really have not had the funds to make much of a difference, but have meant well.
As a club we are now in the best place we have been for years, with people at the helm who have the best interests as their main concern.
Long may it continue is my hope, and if they want time to appoint who they think is the right person for the managers position then so be it, there will be a reason for it.
YES WE ALL BOW DOWN and ask to be forgiveness for breathing the same air . BUT to keep repeating the same old verses of “where would we be Now”’ is starting to sound like brain washing of the masses or preaching to the converted. All we are asking is that they just stick a dart into the first person through the door and get on with it . Only at DRFC can we make an issue of selection like a papal nomination.
At this level there is NO indicators of who can do what , because we all know that the applicants are on the doll and have pressed there only suits and brushed their teeth . It’s down to chance and who they pick will get the support of everyone. So put them and us out of our misery and select who ever they want , as it’s not as though we have say anyway.
BREAKING NEWS!!
The new manager is Vera Longbottom from Hyde Park!
Vera has been a cleaner at the Keepmoat since it opened and is delighted and honoured to accept the position.
Speaking from her cleaners cupboard Vera said " I thought I'd get an early start as I had a lot to do so I came in really early. I'd no sooner opened the door when a dart hit me on the side of the head"
" All the directors were there who said that as they weren't football people apparently and that they had taken advice from a proper football person and decided to throw a dart at the first person who walked through the door"
"I'm absolutely chuffed, but I can't do Saturdays as I clean elsewhere in the afternoon and during weekdays look after my grandchildren"
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Yes it done !!!