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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Cantley Rover on July 08, 2018, 11:38:12 am
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I really do despair with some of the brain dead morons that our game attracts. Yesterday we beat Sweden so what do some knuckle draggers do?
Go on the rampage in IKEA. They're should be no sympathy when/if the authorities do manage to track them down. Seems then to prison, that will teach them.
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It’s pathetic. That’s not spontaneous celebration, that’s using what should be a wonderful result as an excuse for a regression session.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911)
Just seen this piss take aswell.
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This is why I've more respect for proper 'hardcore' hooligans than gimpy lager louts who cling on to something and get blinded by it.
Quite often, the proper hooligans will have their ruckus and try to take it out of the way of kids/families - and the target is the opposing hooligans who want precisely the same thing. Shirters don't get caught up in that shit because they aren't the target.
The gimpy lager louts will act up after a few beers and all and sundry will be caught up in their crusade.
Sorry but you are pathetic trying to justify ANY form of hooliganism
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I really do despair with some of the brain dead morons that our game attracts. Yesterday we beat Sweden so what do some knuckle draggers do?
Go on the rampage in IKEA. They're should be no sympathy when/if the authorities do manage to track them down. Seems then to prison, that will teach them.
Great idea. Mindless morons and the people dojng and condoning the damage later on in the Youtube video below
We WON ffs. What will they do if / when we lose to say France. Wreck all the Pret a Mangers ? Belgium - throw all Leffe Beer through Tescos window
I sound more like Victor Meldrew each passing day but this is a ridiculous state of affairs
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911)
Just seen this piss take aswell.
Jesus Christ, and the bunch of Kitsons surrounding it think its funny. I hope the copper's face recognition software is up to the job.
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This is why I've more respect for proper 'hardcore' hooligans than gimpy lager louts who cling on to something and get blinded by it.
Quite often, the proper hooligans will have their ruckus and try to take it out of the way of kids/families - and the target is the opposing hooligans who want precisely the same thing. Shirters don't get caught up in that shit because they aren't the target.
The gimpy lager louts will act up after a few beers and all and sundry will be caught up in their crusade.
Sorry but you are pathetic trying to justify ANY form of hooliganism
If 2 like minded groups of people want to fight each other, and it doesnt affect anyone else, there's nothing wrong with it.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2152913821614911)
Just seen this piss take aswell.
Is that a Volvo?
Christ, good job we didn't beat Japan or Germany :lol:
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This is why I've more respect for proper 'hardcore' hooligans than gimpy lager louts who cling on to something and get blinded by it.
Quite often, the proper hooligans will have their ruckus and try to take it out of the way of kids/families - and the target is the opposing hooligans who want precisely the same thing. Shirters don't get caught up in that shit because they aren't the target.
The gimpy lager louts will act up after a few beers and all and sundry will be caught up in their crusade.
Sorry but you are pathetic trying to justify ANY form of hooliganism
If 2 like minded groups of people want to fight each other, and it doesnt affect anyone else, there's nothing wrong with it.
I hope that 'not affecting anyone else' includes not pestering the NHS to put them back together again afterwards.
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I said recently in another thread that the general public perception of football fans is that we are all lager swilling hooligans. It didn't take long for me to be proved right (even if it is only a small number we all get tarred with the same brush) and be given an example of what I was talking about. I am the authorities will investigate both incidences and deal with the offenders as there is video evidence everywhere these days. Any mention of "proper 'hardcore' hooligans" beggars belief but comes as no surprise knowing some of the posters on this site. It's only a small number of posters but regrettably they are usually very vocal stretching their intelligence to "you're talking b*llocks" and "you make me laugh".
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This is why I've more respect for proper 'hardcore' hooligans than gimpy lager louts who cling on to something and get blinded by it.
Quite often, the proper hooligans will have their ruckus and try to take it out of the way of kids/families - and the target is the opposing hooligans who want precisely the same thing. Shirters don't get caught up in that shit because they aren't the target.
The gimpy lager louts will act up after a few beers and all and sundry will be caught up in their crusade.
Sorry but you are pathetic trying to justify ANY form of hooliganism
If 2 like minded groups of people want to fight each other, and it doesnt affect anyone else, there's nothing wrong with it.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Total Knobheads.
That video was in Nottingham I had to walk past it. We went to watch the game in the Company Inn on the canal side. Been there before lots of singing and a few pratts throwing beer in the air (kicked out by security) but generally great place to watch game. Yesterday within 5 feet of me and Tiddysmum some (I make no appologies for my language) Tw#T let off a chuffin flare after the first goal. We couldn't see our way out. The pub was instantly cleared and closed.
Not going out to watch whenever we play again.
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This is why I've more respect for proper 'hardcore' hooligans than gimpy lager louts who cling on to something and get blinded by it.
Quite often, the proper hooligans will have their ruckus and try to take it out of the way of kids/families - and the target is the opposing hooligans who want precisely the same thing. Shirters don't get caught up in that shit because they aren't the target.
The gimpy lager louts will act up after a few beers and all and sundry will be caught up in their crusade.
Sorry but you are pathetic trying to justify ANY form of hooliganism
If 2 like minded groups of people want to fight each other, and it doesnt affect anyone else, there's nothing wrong with it.
I hope that 'not affecting anyone else' includes not pestering the NHS to put them back together again afterwards.
Of course
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Get them charged with vandalism and destruction of property and put them in jail for 28 days.
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Worth noting how easy others, the ones watching, get caught up in it. That's what's really dangerous. Same kind of mentality that goes along with authoritarianism - people that can't think for themselves. They also need punishing for being asleep sheep... oh wait, that's the kind of mentality the establishment wants people to have.
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Get them charged with vandalism and destruction of property and put them in jail for 28 days.
.... or better still for 3 hours on Sunday if we make the Final !!!
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It would have been great if the crowd had moved aside when the d**khead dived off the car bonnet.
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Our country is being taken over by thick chavs!!!
God help us sensible law abiding folk. The minority of morons are ruining our homeland imo .
Very sad !!!
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The question is though: will it make Southgate think about adopting a flat pack 4 for the Croatia game?
I’ll get me 🧥
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Our country is being taken over by thick chavs!!!
God help us sensible law abiding folk. The minority of morons are ruining our homeland imo .
Very sad !!!
Sadly you are bang on - and it has seriously continued its decline
We were not angels in my day (well though I was personally) my generation was responsible for starting football hooliganism / Mods and Rockers etc etc and I have watched it go down down down ever since
It is a minority of course but there seems to be no way of putting the Genie back in the bottle now - just think of the things the majority have to do and be inconvenienced by * - because the minority wont behave to a decent standard.
* Speed humps being one - but there must be hundreds more
... and from above "Flat Pack 4" - brilliant !
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Why?
A lot of those involved probably don't have the sense or inclination to vote for either side.
The problem is a lack of respect for authority in any shape or form.
I know a teacher that was told by a badly behaving young child. " You want to hit me miss don't you"?
"But you can't or I'll get you done".
Another secondary school teacher that I know was hit whilst breaking up a fight in the playground. The pupil was allowed back in school after three days.
No respect at school and then no respect for the police or any rules or regulations as they get older.
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
Bbc showed scenes in zagreb after they won the penalty shoot out.
Plenty of flares set off, looked great, people having fun, celebrating and enjoying themselves.
Bet not one stopped to whinge about the smoke though.
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I saw that clip too and I don't remember any smoke bombs. If there were any, it certainly wasn't noticeable above the fans just jumping around and cheering. Wasn't even that much "beer chucking" either compared to a lot of the UK venues.
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I saw that clip too and I don't remember any smoke bombs. If there were any, it certainly wasn't noticeable above the fans just jumping around and cheering. Wasn't even that much "beer chucking" either compared to a lot of the UK venues.
The one I saw was an aerial view, there were at least 3 flares.
Like I said looked great, they were really enjoying themselves, and rightly so.
As for beer chucking, haven't seen any goal celebrations from other nations fans to comment.
On another note, there's a video of Brazil's team coach getting bricked by a load of unhappy Brazil fans, after they returned.
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Why?
A lot of those involved probably don't have the sense or inclination to vote for either side.
The problem is a lack of respect for authority in any shape or form.
I know a teacher that was told by a badly behaving young child. " You want to hit me miss don't you"?
"But you can't or I'll get you done".
Another secondary school teacher that I know was hit whilst breaking up a fight in the playground. The pupil was allowed back in school after three days.
No respect at school and then no respect for the police or any rules or regulations as they get older.
And how exactly does a Volvo represent authority?
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
Bbc showed scenes in zagreb after they won the penalty shoot out.
Plenty of flares set off, looked great, people having fun, celebrating and enjoying themselves.
Bet not one stopped to whinge about the smoke though.
I wonder what your opinion of flares would be if one hit you in the face?
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Why?
A lot of those involved probably don't have the sense or inclination to vote for either side.
The problem is a lack of respect for authority in any shape or form.
I know a teacher that was told by a badly behaving young child. " You want to hit me miss don't you"?
"But you can't or I'll get you done".
Another secondary school teacher that I know was hit whilst breaking up a fight in the playground. The pupil was allowed back in school after three days.
No respect at school and then no respect for the police or any rules or regulations as they get older.
And how exactly does a Volvo represent authority?
Doesn't authority or the authorities prohibit the damage of other people's property be it a Volvo or any other item.
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Why?
A lot of those involved probably don't have the sense or inclination to vote for either side.
The problem is a lack of respect for authority in any shape or form.
I know a teacher that was told by a badly behaving young child. " You want to hit me miss don't you"?
"But you can't or I'll get you done".
Another secondary school teacher that I know was hit whilst breaking up a fight in the playground. The pupil was allowed back in school after three days.
No respect at school and then no respect for the police or any rules or regulations as they get older.
And how exactly does a Volvo represent authority?
Doesn't authority or the authorities prohibit the damage of other people's property be it a Volvo or any other item.
Are you seriously trying to say that that Volvo was attacked to give the finger to British authority and not purely because it was Swedish?
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Why?
A lot of those involved probably don't have the sense or inclination to vote for either side.
The problem is a lack of respect for authority in any shape or form.
I know a teacher that was told by a badly behaving young child. " You want to hit me miss don't you"?
"But you can't or I'll get you done".
Another secondary school teacher that I know was hit whilst breaking up a fight in the playground. The pupil was allowed back in school after three days.
No respect at school and then no respect for the police or any rules or regulations as they get older.
And how exactly does a Volvo represent authority?
Doesn't authority or the authorities prohibit the damage of other people's property be it a Volvo or any other item.
Are you seriously trying to say that that Volvo was attacked to give the finger to British authority and not purely because it was Swedish?
Volvo has Chinese owners actually.
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No Glynn I am saying that these numbskulls targeted the Volve because it was Swedish but had a total lack of responsibility and no respect for authority or fear of the justice system.
Compare that with how quiet the Russian Ultras have been during this World Cup.
Looking at those idiots Cantley,I don't think that they will be into geography.
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No Glynn I am saying that these numbskulls targeted the Volve because it was Swedish but had a total lack of responsibility and no respect for authority or fear of the justice system.
Compare that with how quiet the Russian Ultras have been during this World Cup.
Looking at those idiots Cantley,I don't think that they will be into geography.
I know, its a bit difficult when you are brain dead mate.
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I've taken a precaution of hiding my Lingonberry cordial.
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... and Ive hidden my Klingonberry Cream
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I've taken a precaution of hiding my Lingonberry cordial.
Aahhh....hot lingonberry cordial on a trip into the Arctic Circle. Delicious😋
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A bit like the smoke bomb brigade, some will have you believe it's just high spirits and boys will be boys
I looked at it again and the word 'Brexit' came to mind.
Didn’t 75% of young people vote remain? Their future ruined. Must be on their itinerary before running around London protesting about Trump or anything else with the bandwagon rolling.
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Didn’t 75% of young people vote remain? Their future ruined. Must be on their itinerary before running around London protesting about Trump or anything else with the bandwagon rolling.
I'm not sure what your point i there but somehow I don't think the people who will be protesting about Trump will consist of many of those trashing the car.
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Didn’t 75% of young people vote remain? Their future ruined. Must be on their itinerary before running around London protesting about Trump or anything else with the bandwagon rolling.
I'm not sure what your point i there but somehow I don't think the people who will be protesting about Trump will consist of many of those trashing the car.
Not much difference Bristol; rent-a-mob; they will be an utter embarrassment, not to Trump, to themselves; pathetic.
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The England mob were a bunch of pissed up folks all ready to follow whatever lead was given, pretty mindless sheep. The anti-Trump mob will be a collection of people from many walks of life, most having thought deeply about the qualities of that man and the consequences of our representitives being sweet with the likes of him. Some of those may want to shout about it, some will be quiet, and the odd few may go further - we'll see. But they are anything but the same rent a mob despite what the DM etc may say.
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The England mob were a bunch of pissed up folks all ready to follow whatever lead was given, pretty mindless sheep. The anti-Trump mob will be a collection of people from many walks of life, most having thought deeply about the qualities of that man and the consequences of our representitives being sweet with the likes of him. Some of those may want to shout about it, some will be quiet, and the odd few may go further - we'll see. But they are anything but the same rent a mob despite what the DM etc may say.
Sorry but the anti trump, rent a mob will have exactly the same amount of brain cells as those england fans.
Pathetic idiots who will achieve nothing.
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I suspect they'll have less BMW's between them and the same amount of brain cells. To equate them is playing thick.
The England fans destroyed a Volvo because of a football match, which was won, so they did that in pure glee. That's a display of wanton violence. The anti Trump demo has a solid reason, to show displeasure towards a lunatic - eg only yesterday:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs)
*if* there is violence by some on that demo then we can discuss the details afterwards, but even the angriest person in any "mob" there will be being fed by the bullying violence of Trump (see above).
The two are poles apart, though the DM etc would disagree.
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I suspect they'll have less BMW's between them and the same amount of brain cells. To equate them is playing thick.
The England fans destroyed a Volvo because of a football match, which was won, so they did that in pure glee. That's a display of wanton violence. The anti Trump demo has a solid reason, to show displeasure towards a lunatic - eg only yesterday:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs)
*if* there is violence by some on that demo then we can discuss the details afterwards, but even the angriest person in any "mob" there will be being fed by the bullying violence of Trump (see above).
The two are poles apart, though the DM etc would disagree.
Ok Bristol, let's get serious. Where were all the liberal elitists and gobshites when Robert Mugabe, the King of Saudi Arabia, and the leader of China, were all given full state visits to this country, despite the vile things they've done to millions of their own people, and despite the fact that their records on human rights make Trump look like a Saint?; not a peep from any of them; hypocrisy doesn't even come close.
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I suspect they'll have less BMW's between them and the same amount of brain cells. To equate them is playing thick.
The England fans destroyed a Volvo because of a football match, which was won, so they did that in pure glee. That's a display of wanton violence. The anti Trump demo has a solid reason, to show displeasure towards a lunatic - eg only yesterday:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs)
*if* there is violence by some on that demo then we can discuss the details afterwards, but even the angriest person in any "mob" there will be being fed by the bullying violence of Trump (see above).
The two are poles apart, though the DM etc would disagree.
What bullying violence by trump ?
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I suspect they'll have less BMW's between them and the same amount of brain cells. To equate them is playing thick.
The England fans destroyed a Volvo because of a football match, which was won, so they did that in pure glee. That's a display of wanton violence. The anti Trump demo has a solid reason, to show displeasure towards a lunatic - eg only yesterday:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs)
*if* there is violence by some on that demo then we can discuss the details afterwards, but even the angriest person in any "mob" there will be being fed by the bullying violence of Trump (see above).
The two are poles apart, though the DM etc would disagree.
Bullying violence?; do you mean standing up to Assad, after he'd used chemical weapons on women and children?; or standing up to that fat b*stard in North Korea?
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The only bullying violence related to trump is carried out by the fascists called antifa (the irony is lost on them).
Pretty horrible the violence they carry out, attacking, intimidating and threatening law abiding trump supporters.
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The only bullying violence related to trump is carried out by the fascists called antifa
You have got be on a windup, right?
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The only bullying violence related to trump is carried out by the fascists called antifa (the irony is lost on them).
Pretty horrible the violence they carry out, attacking, intimidating and threatening law abiding trump supporters.
Aye Boomstick. The only violence comes from the left.
Oh, apart from that protestor who was deliberately run over and killed by a neo-Nazi. How many folk on the other side have been murdered? Remind me.
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What's neo Nazis got to do with trump supporters?
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The England mob were a bunch of pissed up folks all ready to follow whatever lead was given, pretty mindless sheep. The anti-Trump mob will be a collection of people from many walks of life, most having thought deeply about the qualities of that man and the consequences of our representitives being sweet with the likes of him. Some of those may want to shout about it, some will be quiet, and the odd few may go further - we'll see. But they are anything but the same rent a mob despite what the DM etc may say.
Stupidest thing I’ve heard all year. Thinking deeply. Hahahaha
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What's neo Nazis got to do with trump supporters?
Dunno. Let me have a think.
Oh aye.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk
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What's neo Nazis got to do with trump supporters?
Dunno. Let me have a think.
Oh aye.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk
I'll rephrase slightly.
What have neo Nazis got to do with average trump supporters?
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Ok. What have Antifa got to do with everyone who hates Trump?
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I suspect they'll have less BMW's between them and the same amount of brain cells. To equate them is playing thick.
The England fans destroyed a Volvo because of a football match, which was won, so they did that in pure glee. That's a display of wanton violence. The anti Trump demo has a solid reason, to show displeasure towards a lunatic - eg only yesterday:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/donald-trump-breastfeeding-tariffs)
*if* there is violence by some on that demo then we can discuss the details afterwards, but even the angriest person in any "mob" there will be being fed by the bullying violence of Trump (see above).
The two are poles apart, though the DM etc would disagree.
Bullying violence?; do you mean standing up to Assad, after he'd used chemical weapons on women and children?; or standing up to that fat b*stard in North Korea?
I used the link there as an example, check it out - threatening small nations for supporting breastfeeding which harms the powdered milk corps. That's sick.
Assad and chemicals - from all the evidence I've seen it was the US sponsored jihadists who used it on their own, for propaganda purposes. Not a shred of evidence of it being Assad. Trump and the US have been supporting the jihadists throughout this war, effectively arming and supporting ISIS.
N Korea was never a threat, not in the real world.
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The England mob were a bunch of pissed up folks all ready to follow whatever lead was given, pretty mindless sheep. The anti-Trump mob will be a collection of people from many walks of life, most having thought deeply about the qualities of that man and the consequences of our representitives being sweet with the likes of him. Some of those may want to shout about it, some will be quiet, and the odd few may go further - we'll see. But they are anything but the same rent a mob despite what the DM etc may say.
Stupidest thing I’ve heard all year. Thinking deeply. Hahahaha
Right... :ermm:
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You don't believe that about Syria do you Bristol? What about all the other countries that believe it was assad such as your own country? If you do I take it you believe Russia didn't use poison gas in the U.K. And us blew the twin towers up?
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Ok. What have Antifa got to do with everyone who hates Trump?
Will you comdem the violence and tactics employed by antifa ?
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Yes.
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If Trump supporters are Neo-Nazis, and Antifa means Anti Fascist (just with the last 5 letters taken off so the uninitiated think they're some sort of foreign terrorists), then surely everyone who hates Trump is antifa (antifascist) by definition?
Not sure we should be stigmatising the concept of being anti fascist.
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Also... How come Neo Nazis who support Trump aren't considered "average Trump voters" yet anti Trump protests are not only considered to represent all Corbyn Voters, All Labour Voters and Voters of all Left Wing parties but anyone with Liberal or Socialist views anywhere in the World?
Not sure how someone who thinks the latter could be offended if I assumed that their Right Wing views meant they agreed with Hitler unless they publically "comdem" him after every post vaguely advocating right wing ideologies.
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If Trump supporters are Neo-Nazis, and Antifa means Anti Fascist (just with the last 5 letters taken off so the uninitiated think they're some sort of foreign terrorists), then surely everyone who hates Trump is antifa (antifascist)?
Not sure we should be stigmatising the concept of being anti fascist.
1. trumps not a fascist.
2. attacking trump supporters, refusing to recognise a democratic election, advocating violence etc etc, looks a lot like fascism doesn't it.
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The Nazis were democratically elected so had you been born in Germany in the 30s would you have joined the resistance or not?
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No. He’s not.
He IS an amoral, narcissistic, racist, treasonous, lying criminal who will end his days in prison.
Days like these, you choose which side you are on.
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Do you comdem Hitler like all right wing people should after every post?
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No. He’s not.
He IS an amoral, narcissistic, racist, treasonous, lying criminal who will end his days in prison.
Days like these, you choose which side you are on.
oh, i agree. he's a d**khead of the highest order.
But that can't be justification for the antics of antifa.
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We've gone from England fans messing up IKEA to Antifa v Trump wtf?
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Antifa v Trump? Who do you think wins. 26 Vegans in unicorn costumes or a guy who needs a forklift to get out of his private helicopter?
Whatever you think, I think we can all agree it looks like the kind of fixture that usually has the words "the winner of this one takes on England" said after it.
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Why let the actions of a few people drag down the whole reputation of the country?
I'm all for people celebrating, and getting a bit giddy, even if it is throwing your beer in the air in a plastic glass.
However, I don't condone what happened to the guys taxi in Nottingham or what happened to the ambulance, these aren't football fans, they ain't even Hooligans, just clowns.
Some people on here need to get out a little more.
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We've gone from England fans messing up IKEA to Antifa v Trump wtf?
That was the third unofficial semi final.
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No. He’s not.
He IS an amoral, narcissistic, racist, treasonous, lying criminal who will end his days in prison.
Days like these, you choose which side you are on.
What's Tony Blair got to do with it?; apart from being the poster boy of the remoaners, of course.
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You don't believe that about Syria do you Bristol? What about all the other countries that believe it was assad such as your own country? If you do I take it you believe Russia didn't use poison gas in the U.K. And us blew the twin towers up?
This is all off topic, but yes I do re syria and re Russian gas, there's no evidence to show it's Russian, just a convenient jump to conclusion that serves the govs anti Russian agenda - or maybe you have some unique evidence?
Countries are ALL involved in a giant game of international politics, they have motivations for things that they wouldn't make transparent, and certainly lie to their people (eg WofMD) - in Syria bagging oilfields and having a gov that is on their side is key. UK/US stirred up the trouble there and other areas of the "Arab Spring" to depose govs that didn't work with them and the bank system etc, fed it with arms, are responsibvle for millions of deaths in the region. And then there's the White Helmets scam spread by media such as the BBC... it's easy to see through but folks tend not to gather the mass of info or think for themselves.
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Time to lock it Mods gone completely off topic all this should be in Off Topic