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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: hoolahoop on July 11, 2018, 02:55:52 pm
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Well I must congratulate the broadcasters from avoiding talking about this £ 500,000 fine make of it what you will:-
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/11/bbc-downplaying-facebook-brexit-scandal-bias&ved=0ahUKEwjdp526nZfcAhWQy6QKHWhxD_oQqUMILzAC&usg=AOvVaw14VFb_OxkNF9MQAsGg-a1u
Brexiters - ignore the findings because we no longer need to do things properly and fairly in this country. Treat as yet more fake news - fake fact perhaps ?
Remoaners - basically confirmation of what you suspected was happening all along . A Referendum result brought about by any means.
Pigeons coming home to roost one by one , " principled " Boris will no doubt feature somewhere soon
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Strange there seems little interest in this story on the forum either am I missing something here ?
Should this not be of any interest or worthy of comment to us all ?
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It's been tainted for quite a while, that much is clear. Not that it matters because democracy is still democracy if it's bought, apparently.
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Its a pity the new rules were then not in place to make Facecrook pay 4% of income as a fine. £500k is loose change to Zuckerberg.
The thing that puzzles me is that it does not seem to be a criminal offense to poison the democratic process.
A simple breach of the rules yes, with a slap on the wrist fine, then on we go to the next corruption.
Now if it were a horse race, and a Flockton Grey offense, then surely a prison sentence would follow.
We are among those countries that send observers to assess the application of democracy in other developing countries. The theme being that free and fair elections need to be policed properly, and if any irregularities are found this is called out.
So the question for UK PLC is what is the threshold that we apply to our own processes.
What are the criteria that would lead to a referendum or election being declared null and void due to interference?
Anybody know?
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Interesting times though.
Dominic Cummings who ran the official Leave is on video crowing that “we couldn’t have done it without the help from Aggregate IQ sending 1.5 billion videos on social media to 7 million targeted voters.”
The Information Commissioner has stated that AIQ is linked to Cambridge Analytica who were the ones who illegally harvested the Facebook data.
And AIQ is the company who were paid £600k by BeLeave, the fake front organisation that allowed the Leave campaign to funnel money illegally into this process. Money that came from...? Well the Leave.EU organisation who set up BeLeave has all sorts of links with...you guessed it...Russia.
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" Money that came from...? Well the Leave.EU organisation who set up BeLeave has all sorts of links with...you guessed it...Russia. "
I'm sure the two of them will be having a good old giggle about it later in the week in Finland - they might invite Farage, Arron Banks, Peter Bone, John Deadwood , IDS et al
Understand they will be swigging fine Finnish vodka served up with Novichok canapes whilst playing pass the brown envelopes. ( who knows there could even be shares in a diamond mine ! )
Hmm could there be entertainmennnt provided by " DD and BoJo the clown " ?
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But they are slowly but surely privatising it...
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The health secretary at the time was a man who's written a book on privatising the NHS. And pointing that out's a very different proposition to illegally spending money to use illegally harvested data to target people with fake news, co-ordinated (or at least influenced) by foreign powers.
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Bpool
It’s not about what people say between themselves on Facebook. People on all sides will say sensible and stupid things.
It’s about deliberately identifying people who are susceptible to being persuaded, then sending them targeted videos playing on their fears.
So they would harvest Facebook data and find people who were concerned about immigration but not particularly politically engaged. Then they would send them videos saying 80 million Turks are about to get the right to come to the EU. Vote Leave to stop it.
It is illegal because harvesting the data broke the law. It is immoral because it allows you to pump lies to people on the quiet, with no possibility of alternative views or challenges to the lies being given to the targeted people. And it is very, very dangerous for the idea of democracy.
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The point remains that none of the people who commissioned the data acquisition and targeted deception face criminal charges.
The company who acted on their behalf may face small consequences but will just morph into a new identity.
Until Vote Leave and the big beasts riding in the wake are made to hold responsibililty the same will continue.
Those who hold the data control the future. Polls no longer tell you what you need to know. The key to future elections is the ability to mold the opinion at the fringe.
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Ah so that means they aren't then does it? top argument.
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...but you're the one that says they're not privatising the NHS, you made the claim, you back it up.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/15/creeping-privatisation-nhs-official-data-owen-smith-outsourcing
Well here's a start.
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So you're comparing a national newspaper to a random website you've dug up on google, hahaha.
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I didn't say that they weren't. The last time Labour were in power was probably the furthest to the right the party has ever been. But you said it was a ridiculous claim that so were the Conservatives. You've just admitted that the Tories are doing exactly what you said was a lie.
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Right, whatever you say spadge.
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did you see some of the ridiculous posts on Facebook during the general election, just about everyone saying tories were going to privatise the nhs, should votes be taken off them for lies?
It's literally right there in this very thread bpool. At least man up and own it, ffs.
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Yes the evidence I gave was from a well-respected national newspaper, f**k me how dare I.
It was the first piece I found from a reputable, not just some random website I've pulled from google.
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Well no, this was the first thing that came up on google actually https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html
But even if it was the first result, it's still a better source than a website nobody has heard of, surely even you can see that. :laugh:
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Jesus wept. f**k it, whatever.
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Baffling this Bpool. People point out you're being lied to - that foreign powers and offshore investors are pulling money out of your and your families' pocket - and you choose to stick your fingers in your ears and get all evasive rather than actually get f**king pissed off that you've been lied to and robbed. Very odd.
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What’s baffling is I have not a clue what your on about? Who is taking money off who? All I said what that the tories will not privatise the nhs, little bits might go to private companies but as a whole they won’t do that. What’s that got to do with people taking money off people?
f**k me are you for real? please say you're a WUM.
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What’s baffling is I have not a clue what your on about? Who is taking money off who? All I said what that the tories will not privatise the nhs, little bits might go to private companies but as a whole they won’t do that. What’s that got to do with people taking money off people?
Why even bring that up in the first place? It's nowt to do with this thread for starters, you only brought it up as a counterpoint to the Brexit campaign even though the two situations can't be compared at all. It's just deflection and evasion so you don't have to face the real issue. Not even getting into your arguments that the Tories aren't privatising the NHS, they're just selling bits of it off. That way madness lies.
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I brought it up as a example of the crap that is put on Facebook, as Facebook is in the thread title, I apologise agir that!
Why? This is about how the Facebook company operates, not the crap you find on Facebook!
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Ok sorry I'll delete it for you Glynn
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Bpool
I’ll set it out again. It’s really simple.
This is NOT about Joe Public putting his/her opinion on Facebook. They are entitled to do that. They might be wrong or they might be right.
That is the equivalent of someone having a political discussion down the pub. It’s fine.
This is about something very different. It’s about very rich people spending a fortune to identify people who are susceptible to having a story pushed at them. Hard.
That’s the equivalent of a person sat in the snug in the pub on their own and having a hidden microphone whispering an idea to them. Constantly.
This is about very rich people deciding that they can subvert democracy in the cleverest way possible. Because the people who’ve been played are absolutely convinced that they not been played. But they have. They’ve been bought and used.
And that’s not ME saying that. The bloke who ran the Leave campaign is on YouTube crowing about how he spent several million quid doing it.
And they will now be chewed up and spat out.
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What is sad is that this information was doing the rounds nigh on a full year ago . Where has this report been ?
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To be fair hoola I think most people
Did know, things like this have been going on for years not just in the brexit vote, most people can decide for themselves due to there own circumstances which way to vote, yes it's wrong but nothing new
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The use of big data analytics is a recent gamechanger. It can happen under the radar, and the rules in place were not written with this kind of exploit in mind.
That said, the decision today will make waves;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/labour-demands-investigation-into-vote-leave-ministers-boris-johnson-michael-gove
Incidentally, it was not just a single instance of this type of manipulation. Even the Labour Party was using the technique for internal politicking;
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2018/07/16/new-evidence-of-anti-corbyn-sabotage-makes-the-general-election-result-even-more-extraordinary/
The democratic model we grew up with has been by-passed by technology and the disrespect of those who have no moral compass.
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To be fair hoola I think most people
Did know, things like this have been going on for years not just in the brexit vote, most people can decide for themselves due to there own circumstances which way to vote, yes it's wrong but nothing new
And THAT is the entire point.
You get played.
You convince yourself that you’re too smart to get played.
You get upset at anyone who suggests that you’re not too smart to get played.
You are even more convinced than ever that you’re too smart to get played.
So. Ask yourself this. If you’re too smart to get played. If you take in balanced views, weigh them up and come to a conclusion, ask yourself this.
Why did the Leave campaign pay £4m to a company that illegally targeted specific voters and send them a barrage of 1.5 BILLION social media videos in the last week of the campaign? And why did the man who ran the campaign go on public record stating that they couldn’t have won without that?
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Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it
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Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it
Using FB isn't the issue. Using it illegally is.
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Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it
As far I know Momentum aren't funded by foreign money and offshore millionaires and they haven't used illegally harvested data to target people.
There's a difference between posting usual political spin/b*llocks and breaking the law to buy a vote so you can line your own pockets. Surely you have to see that.
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This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.
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Because that happens in business the amount of shite momentum put on fb does not stop you voting labour does it
I can't believe you have written that as an answer to the post that BST composed specifically for you
ADMIT IT .............YOU WERE PLAYED :( :(
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Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.
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Interesting piece in Open Democracy from Adam Ramsay on the fines and wrist slapping fandango;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/laws-protecting-britains-democracy-from-big-money-are-broken
Lets see if the police decide to take matters further.
As Ramsay points out (near the end), the referendum was a non binding advisory only, and so is not covered by election law, such as it is.
Very convenient for those who chose to play the system!
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Interesting piece in Open Democracy from Adam Ramsay on the fines and wrist slapping fandango;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ramsay/laws-protecting-britains-democracy-from-big-money-are-broken
Lets see if the police decide to take matters further.
As Ramsay points out (near the end), the referendum was a non binding advisory only, and so is not covered by election law, such as it is.
Very convenient for those who chose to play the system!
Perhaps not worth discussing these matters anymore - I've given up on our democracy altogether and our sense of decency .
Im thoroughly disgusted by the deliberate way we are just lighting a bonfire under the bloody lot of it .
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See this work has now been sent to Parliament - have a scroll through the lies lads one after the other on page 71 main thread
[b]Page 71 # 2122[/b]
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What’s baffling is I have not a clue what your on about? Who is taking money off who? All I said what that the tories will not privatise the nhs, little bits might go to private companies but as a whole they won’t do that. What’s that got to do with people taking money off people?
Why even bring that up in the first place? It's nowt to do with this thread for starters, you only brought it up as a counterpoint to the Brexit campaign even though the two situations can't be compared at all. It's just deflection and evasion so you don't have to face the real issue. Not even getting into your arguments that the Tories aren't privatising the NHS, they're just selling bits of it off. That way madness lies.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/05/virgin-awarded-almost-2bn-of-nhs-contracts-in-the-past-five-years
f**king lot of money to a private company for something that isn't privatisation.
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Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.
as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?
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Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.
as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?
Why won't you answer the question asked of you, instead of dreaming up another one as deflection?
No doubt this question will be deflected too!
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
Like after WW2 or after the worldwide recession? Yeah, shit labour.
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
A) Don't you care about anyone else's jobs in your community ?
B) Do you realise that we have the highest % of the nation working in either Part - time or Unspecified hours since 1929 ?
C) We now have a higher % of the population in Further Education ( building up massive levels of debt ) ever , which completely skew the overall % " in work " statistics. Do you necessarily ,,think this is a good thing ?
D) We have a massive % of the population both non- working and WORKING surviving on food banks to merely get by from week to week. Is this a good thing ?
Need I go on , these statistics are nothing to brag about . Austerity is hurting, how do you think that the loss of yet more poorly- paid jobs will help sustain the services of your local community ?
How do you think that piling yet more sand i.e. Brexit on an economy already built on sand will help your community prosper whether Glyn chooses to vote Labour or not ?
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
Yes, because unemployment goes up under the Tories as well. I remember it doubling in two years under Thatcher - has that ever happened under Labour?
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Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
A) Don't you care about anyone else's jobs in your community ?
B) Do you realise that we have the highest % of the nation working in either Part - time or Unspecified hours since 1929 ?
C) We now have a higher % of the population in Further Education ( building up massive levels of debt ) ever , which completely skew the overall % " in work " statistics. Do you necessarily ,,think this is a good thing ?
D) We have a massive % of the population both non- working and WORKING surviving on food banks to merely get by from week to week. Is this a good thing ?
Need I go on , these statistics are nothing to brag about . Austerity is hurting, how do you think that the loss of yet more poorly- paid jobs will help sustain the services of your local community ?
How do you think that piling yet more sand i.e. Brexit on an economy already built on sand will help your community prosper whether Glyn chooses to vote Labour or not ?
do you care about the millions that voted to leave the eu hoola? A lot of the poorly paid people choose to work part time as you get top ups with working tax credits(which is fine I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that) is it
Not best people be in work in some degree hoola? There are many many people who like the fact that the don't have specific hours yes there
Are also ones that don't, it's always going to be the case where you can't please everyone unfortunately
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I know many people that survive on food banks, the vast majority and around this area it is are the same people you see everyday with cans of beer or in the pub, of course there are genuine ones but no where near the amount some people say they have just become more accessible, at the same time this day an de age it's sad and probably avoidable
That anyone should have to use a food bank and the government need to sort it
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Remember that the majority of Brexit voters have said they'd be happy for a family member to lose their job if it meant Brexit went ahead. Genuine question Bpool, are you one of them? I genuinely can't work out why people thank that way.
as you know at the minute unemployment is at its lowest in umpteen years, no doubt if you vote labour it will go up again as it just about if not always does, so
I will add the same question to
You? Are you happy for 1 of your family members to lose there job just so you can vote labour?
I do know that unemployment is low at the minute. I also know that "employment" doesn't mean the same thing as "earning enough money to keep food on the table". As Hoola said, at the minute you're classed as employed if you're on a zero hours contract working a couple of hours a month, if you're on a back to work programme, or if you're on some jobcentre training course or work experience programme. In real practical terms we aren't seeing a drop in unemployment at all, we've simply changed what it means to be unemployed.
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That's bending the truth at very best, there are between 800k and 1.4 million on zero hour contracts and nearly 70 percent of them are happy with that and the average person on a zero hour contract works at least 26 hours a week, so is that classed as working? If you only work 2 hours a month lol you will get your full entitlement of benefits,so there would be nothing different if labour were in power would there?
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If your on working family tax with 4 children, 1 person is working 40 hours a week on 9 pound a hour you earn 360 a week, on top of that you get 200poind tax credits a week, if you rent a property at 650 a month you get 400 pound a month housing benefit plus once a month you get 200 odd pound child benefit, most people could live off that, your council tax is also reduced from 1600 pound a year to 750 a year
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Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less
Accusing him of deflecting the question when he pulls you up on... uh, deflecting the question. Couldn't make this shit up hahaha. I notice you ignored my link too.
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I answered his question lol
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And I've not seen you post anything
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This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.
you do know it was labour that started privatising the NHS under tony Blair
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http://commentcentral.co.uk/labour-are-the-real-nhs-privatisers/
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/01/labour-cant-escape-its-blairite-past-nhs-so-it-should-stop-crying-privatisation?amp
https://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-what-andy-burnham-didnt-tell-you-about-nhs-privatisation-42072.html
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This is the same person who doesn't think that selling parts of a state owned organisation is the same thing as privatisation, remember.
you do know it was labour that started privatising the NHS under tony Blair
I think you'll find I never disputed that. You were the one denying that the Tories were also privatising.
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Ok mate
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That's bending the truth at very best, there are between 800k and 1.4 million on zero hour contracts and nearly 70 percent of them are happy with that and the average person on a zero hour contract works at least 26 hours a week, so is that classed as working? If you only work 2 hours a month lol you will get your full entitlement of benefits,so there would be nothing different if labour were in power would there?
Yeah, you'll still get your benefits, the problem is that you're still classed as "employed" and therefore not part of these unemployment stats. It's not me that's bending the truth! Volunteer work, work experience, unpaid apprenticeships and training courses... all this counts as gainful employment. It isn't. Which is why even with these amazing unemployment figures we still have record numbers of people at food banks. We've had 8 years of Tory government now. Time to stop bleating about Labour.
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Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less
How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.
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That's because you are employed!
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Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less
How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.
where have you answered yes glum?
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Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less
How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.
where have you answered yes glum?
Erm...the very first word of my reply that you said deflected your question!! Are you really too dense to have noticed it?
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That's because you are employed!
Who is this directed at?
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Why you getting personal? I didn't see that reply or I wouldn't have said would I? So your going back to the thatcher years when it's happened in every labour government! Do
You not care about people in your community?
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That's because you are employed!
Who is this directed at?
macho
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Why you getting personal? I didn't see that reply or I wouldn't have said would I? So your going back to the thatcher years when it's happened in every labour government! Do
You not care about people in your community?
Of course you saw the reply - it's the one that you said deflected your question!
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Ok I didn’t read it properly and didn’t see the reply does that make you feel better glyn
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It's not about me feeling better.
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Ok
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
Lies, lies and damn statistics. You believe all three it seems!
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Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?
Lies, lies and damn statistics. You believe all three it seems!
which bit Is wrong?
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Bpool
The point is that it’s a meaningless measurement.
Look at the last Labour Govt. They came to power on 2 May 1997. Unemployment was lower than it was that day for the next 4150 days, before dramatically rising (as it did in every single developed country) due to the Great Financial Crash.
That is an incomparably better record than the Tory Govt of 1979-97. Then unemployment fell slightly for the first year before exploding out of control and staying above the 1979 level for the next 17 years.
You focussing in the start and end levels is silly. Here’s an exact analogy to demonstrate why.
Imagine a manager took over a football team in 10th place in the Premier League. A team that hadn’t finished higher than that for the previous 17 years. He then guided them to a top 5 finish for every one of the next 10 years before hitting problems and finishing 12th for two years then getting sacked. Would you say “Failure! He left them worse than he found them?” Would you ignore the intervening years and just look at the start and end? Of course you wouldn’t because that would be stupid. So why do it with a Government?
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Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.
I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?
A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...
But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.
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I never said there was no decent jobs, what I said was that a lot of the jobs were going to polish etc. Who were willing to work 90 hours a week so the locals who understandably didnt or couldn’t work 90 hours a week didn’t get a look in, but to be fair there are not many jobs but there hasn’t whatever government has been in power
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Bpool
The point is that it’s a meaningless measurement.
Look at the last Labour Govt. They came to power on 2 May 1997. Unemployment was lower than it was that day for the next 4150 days, before dramatically rising (as it did in every single developed country) due to the Great Financial Crash.
That is an incomparably better record than the Tory Govt of 1979-97. Then unemployment fell slightly for the first year before exploding out of control and staying above the 1979 level for the next 17 years.
You focussing in the start and end levels is silly. Here’s an exact analogy to demonstrate why.
Imagine a manager took over a football team in 10th place in the Premier League. A team that hadn’t finished higher than that for the previous 17 years. He then guided them to a top 5 finish for every one of the next 10 years before hitting problems and finishing 12th for two years then getting sacked. Would you say “Failure! He left them worse than he found them?” Would you ignore the intervening years and just look at the start and end? Of course you wouldn’t because that would be stupid. So why do it with a Government?
thanks for the reply bst, to be fair your right after looking into it a bit more the tories and labour have very similar percentage on unemployment
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Bpool
Not over the past 40 years they don’t. The average number of unemployed under Labour has been around 1 million. Under the Tories it’s been nearly 2 million.
Not even close.
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Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.
I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?
A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...
But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.
That's not what he said though.
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Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.
I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?
A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...
But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.
That's not what he said though.
I thought I would help I never said there was no decent jobs, what I said was that a lot of the jobs were going to polish etc. Who were willing to work 90 hours a week so the locals who understandably didnt or couldn’t work 90 hours a week didn’t get a look in, but to be fair there are not many jobs but there hasn’t whatever government has been in power
So you would agree then that the current employment figures are a pretty meaningless statistic and no real indicator of whether people have a 'proper' job or not?
New Labour created a lot of jobs in local authorities, especially in the north & south-west. These were slashed by the Coalition and continued under Cameron and May, whose priorities have been continuing privatisation of services, austerity cuts for the general public and tax cuts for the rich rather than creating good jobs.
Corbyn has said that his priority is creating jobs, the make it in Britain campaign he launched the other week, re-nationalising public services & ending outsourcing in the NHS etc. You will also note he has said he wants a 'jobs first Brexit' whereas May & Rees-Mogg want the ability to do trade deals and have never said this will create jobs (although people who support their view have said it will loose them).
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Wilts every leader says they will create jobs, in Blackpool south as I referred 2, unless you knock half of it down and start again nothing will change mate, a few years ago Blackpool was favourite to get a super casino and unfortunately it fell thru and Blackpool south was left to rot(bit off topic I know)
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What have the merits of whose unemployment figures were better got to do with the thread's title re. Is the Referendum result tainted and should it stand given all the facts that are being teased out .
True democracy should be about the determination of voters to revisit results brought about by undemocratic means as in this case and to a far higher level than even Carole Cardwalladr could ever imagine and subsequently uncovered in her quest for the truth. Where are all the other journalists digging into this story , is there an embargo on them uncovering more of the lies with her ?
Have they been frightened off the story because the silence is deafening ?
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This is not a go at you hoola but if they had another referendum and leave won again would you accept the result?
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Wilts every leader says they will create jobs, in Blackpool south as I referred 2, unless you knock half of it down and start again nothing will change mate, a few years ago Blackpool was favourite to get a super casino and unfortunately it fell thru and Blackpool south was left to rot(bit off topic I know)
All this had NOTHING to do with the EU apart from the fact that they encouraged our Governments of the day to channel money into poorer areas - the North - West was part of this exercise . Has it bpool ? Did they cause the infrastructure to crumble with some regulations on bananas or the like ?
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I know that's why I said bit off topic mate
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This is not a go at you hoola but if they had another referendum and leave won again would you accept the result?
Yes of course I would providing that all the facts were out there for all to see as they should have been in the first place.
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Problem you have it's like the general election both parties promise the world and deliver pretty much none of it, politics is full of lies and promises you just have to work out what's right and wrong
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Ok thanks for the answer hoola, I'm going leave the thread now as I'm not the best at explains things in writing lol, I hope everything works out for you hoola one way or the other
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I know that's why I said bit off topic mate
What worries me the most is that you didn't read my posts or comment on the facts within them .
A) Did the EU , by some means or other , cause there to be a lack of infrastructure in the Blackpool area ?
B) Did the EU ensure that funding was channelled via different funding arrangements to poorer regions of the country much to the disgust of those that witheld and channelled that money to London and the South- East prior to that disproportionately ?
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Of course rather than answer either those questions or defend your arguments and opinions on unemployment levels .........you leave the thread !!
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I will answer out of courtesy, my only reason for bringing Blackpool south up in this thread was after speaking myself to people in the area and it being in the local papers, was that many local people could not find work as the jobs were go to the polish etc. Community due to them being willing to work 90 hours a week( that is not the polish persons fault) hence 1 reason there was such a big leave vote in the area, I can't answer your other question as I have no idea I don't actually live in Blackpool just outside, I'm
Sure your going to tell me anyway😄
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A superb tweet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/austinyorski/status/1026880192374087681
Problem is, when people can’t be arsed to search for facts themselves, evil people fill the void by pumping the Internet full of lies and bullshit.
When the world ends up going to f**king hell, it’ll be the fault of the folk who couldn’t be arsed to dig into the wonderful sources of facts that exist out there, and preferred to swallow lies that matched what they want to believe.
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Anyway back to the thread topic, and Facecrook have been punished by losing profits for 17 minutes of business;
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/25/ico_fines_facebook_500k_over_cambridge_analytica/
Harsh that, so they have decided to thrash themselves further by appointing Nick Clegg as a top advisor.
Down in the gutter, life is a daily struggle!