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Title: Crawford injury
Post by: Retdon1 on August 09, 2018, 01:32:25 pm
Crawford is the injured player
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: wing commander on August 09, 2018, 01:37:16 pm
Yep confirmed..No timescale at the minute..

   Dissapointing as I was looking forward to watching him play on Saturday,
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: GazLaz on August 09, 2018, 01:37:27 pm
Looked like it was him from the post he did in London. Shame, I think he looks a decent player.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: wing commander on August 09, 2018, 01:39:08 pm
Although it's maybe not as bad as we feared..

GM | We're going to be without Ali Crawford for a little while, we won't put a timescale on it but he's already working with the physio. #DRFC
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: ChrisBx on August 09, 2018, 01:46:53 pm
I'm quite worried about the depth of our squad. Are we expecting players like Jacob Fletcher and Cody Prior to feature more this season?
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Branton Rover on August 09, 2018, 01:56:32 pm
Matty Blair then who I feel was unlucky not to get the nod on Saturday
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: steve@dcfd on August 09, 2018, 01:59:05 pm
Matty Blair then who I feel was unlucky not to get the nod on Saturday

I feel he’s lucky to be in the squad at all but let’s see if he plays.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on August 09, 2018, 02:02:03 pm
So it's not catastrophic. It's covetable although disappointing as we've not seen enough of his potential yet. That opens the door for Taylor although Rowe could resort to his left sided position.

Not sure whether GM will see fit to bring someone else in, and the next few hours will determine that but either way we should still be able to  peogress with his preferred system.

Roll on Saturday!
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: ravenrover on August 09, 2018, 02:06:41 pm
So what we have learned from this is the manager is a little economical with the truth, which is not a bad thing, the injured player played the full 90mins pfah😁
No incomings he says, is he sure about that😉
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: The Red Baron on August 09, 2018, 02:08:13 pm
He made it pretty clear at the presser that he isn't bringing anyone in today. However we can bring loans in until the end of the month. I think we might go down that road now.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: GazLaz on August 09, 2018, 02:08:54 pm
So what we have learned from this is the manager is a little economical with the truth, which is not a bad thing, the injured player played the full 90mins pfah😁
No incomings he says, is he sure about that😉
. Completely pointless not saying who it was initially.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: The Red Baron on August 09, 2018, 02:09:17 pm
Matty Blair then who I feel was unlucky not to get the nod on Saturday

I feel he’s lucky to be in the squad at all but let’s see if he plays.

Surely McCullough or Kane will come in.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: RoversAlias on August 09, 2018, 02:16:21 pm
Matty Blair then who I feel was unlucky not to get the nod on Saturday

I feel he’s lucky to be in the squad at all but let’s see if he plays.

Surely McCullough or Kane will come in.

That is my expectation too. If all the positions to lose a player to injury I think this was one of the ones we're better equipped to cover. If it had been Marquis, Mason or Butler it would've been a different story.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: dickos1 on August 09, 2018, 02:41:22 pm
I think he’ll put either Kane in or drop copps back and play kiwomya.

Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: StocksArmy on August 09, 2018, 03:05:55 pm
From the outside looking in it does'nt look like he is keen on McCullough, unsure on whether now is the right time to throw Kane in as well otherwise, why mentioned dipping into the market whether the injury is 4 weeks or 4 months. So it looks like that position will be for Blair but he looked so uncomfortable in there on Saturday IMO. I would personally rather see us go to a DF system and play with 3 CB's, 2 wing backs with Whiteman, Rowe in there with Copps behind the strikers in a free role. Just a thought
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: jamesrover17 on August 09, 2018, 03:08:02 pm
From the outside looking in it does'nt look like he is keen on McCullough, unsure on whether now is the right time to throw Kane in as well otherwise, why mentioned dipping into the market whether the injury is 4 weeks or 4 months. So it looks like that position will be for Blair but he looked so uncomfortable in there on Saturday IMO. I would personally rather see us go to a DF system and play with 3 CB's, 2 wing backs with Whiteman, Rowe in there with Copps behind the strikers in a free role. Just a thought

Strange how he said McCullough was a better player than Houghton, hence why they didn't sign him
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: GazLaz on August 09, 2018, 03:10:10 pm
From the outside looking in it does'nt look like he is keen on McCullough, unsure on whether now is the right time to throw Kane in as well otherwise, why mentioned dipping into the market whether the injury is 4 weeks or 4 months. So it looks like that position will be for Blair but he looked so uncomfortable in there on Saturday IMO. I would personally rather see us go to a DF system and play with 3 CB's, 2 wing backs with Whiteman, Rowe in there with Copps behind the strikers in a free role. Just a thought

Strange how he said McCullough was a better player than Houghton, hence why they didn't sign him

He was just making things up to deflect.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: RoversAlias on August 09, 2018, 03:21:10 pm
Good to see we've decided he doesn't rate McCullough because he wasn't selected for one game of the season.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Retdon1 on August 09, 2018, 03:34:06 pm
Idd drop copps back and play Taylor if hes fit. Having Copps in midfield will help us gain control of possession earlier imo.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: StocksArmy on August 09, 2018, 03:44:54 pm
From the outside looking in it does'nt look like he is keen on McCullough, unsure on whether now is the right time to throw Kane in as well otherwise, why mentioned dipping into the market whether the injury is 4 weeks or 4 months. So it looks like that position will be for Blair but he looked so uncomfortable in there on Saturday IMO. I would personally rather see us go to a DF system and play with 3 CB's, 2 wing backs with Whiteman, Rowe in there with Copps behind the strikers in a free role. Just a thought

Strange how he said McCullough was a better player than Houghton, hence why they didn't sign him

Good to see we've decided he doesn't rate McCullough because he wasn't selected for one game of the season.
From the outside looking in it does'nt look like he is keen on McCullough, unsure on whether now is the right time to throw Kane in as well otherwise, why mentioned dipping into the market whether the injury is 4 weeks or 4 months. So it looks like that position will be for Blair but he looked so uncomfortable in there on Saturday IMO. I would personally rather see us go to a DF system and play with 3 CB's, 2 wing backs with Whiteman, Rowe in there with Copps behind the strikers in a free role. Just a thought

Strange how he said McCullough was a better player than Houghton, hence why they didn't sign him
Good to see we've decided he doesn't rate McCullough because he wasn't selected for one game of the season.

The signing and selection of Kane having not see him play a game for us suggests I maybe accurate. As I said its from the outside looking in and wouldnt be surprised if McCullough starts the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: GazLaz on August 09, 2018, 03:57:20 pm
It looks like the same knee injury he spent 4 months out with last season.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: phil old leake on August 09, 2018, 04:03:19 pm
McCullough is a good enough player. I know a lot of people don’t rate him but I feel that given a good run of games he will improve and develop. I want to see him in the team.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: keith79 on August 09, 2018, 04:09:42 pm
I rate McCullough imo he is our best defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: raggytash on August 09, 2018, 04:13:27 pm
Well a week into the season I’m right with my moan and lack of ambition signing players who’ve played 14 times in 18 month... never want to see any player injured but yet another freebie crock arrives at drfc ..... we’ll done.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Dare to dream! on August 09, 2018, 04:24:54 pm
McCullough is the best CDM we have, he is better than Houghton was just unlucky with injuries
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: mpc123 on August 09, 2018, 04:26:32 pm
Well a week into the season I’m right with my moan and lack of ambition signing players who’ve played 14 times in 18 month... never want to see any player injured but yet another freebie crock arrives at drfc ..... we’ll done.

Nobody anywhere at any club gets injured no only here
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: StocksArmy on August 09, 2018, 04:36:54 pm
Have we even seen McCullough play a decent run of games in CDM? for the last 2 seasons he has been in and out of the team due to injuries and the one before that he played as a CB. I really don't see the hype with him. As a footballer he is pinching a living and will soon be in the same situation as Mandeville or Middleton. Everytime I have watched him he has been very poor.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Lesonthewest on August 09, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
Good to see we've decided he doesn't rate McCullough because he wasn't selected for one game of the season.
I also don't think he is keen on McCullough in the starting eleven either, just opinions that's all.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Filo on August 09, 2018, 04:48:34 pm
Well a week into the season I’m right with my moan and lack of ambition signing players who’ve played 14 times in 18 month... never want to see any player injured but yet another freebie crock arrives at drfc ..... we’ll done.

I bet it was shit having nowt to moan about last weekend
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: since-1969 on August 09, 2018, 04:51:52 pm
When will our luck change.  Every season this type of thing happens , are we just ginxt .
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: silent majority on August 09, 2018, 05:06:31 pm
It's not a particularly serious injury though, we should expect to see him reasonably quickly.

(sorry to disappoint those looking to grind their axe)
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: steve@dcfd on August 09, 2018, 05:33:50 pm
SM do you if it’s the same Knee and ligaments from last season when in Scotland
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: silent majority on August 09, 2018, 06:00:23 pm
SM do you if it’s the same Knee and ligaments from last season when in Scotland

Don't know. But I do know it doesn't require surgery and therefore ruling out a long lay off.

Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: craigdrfc on August 09, 2018, 06:06:53 pm
I would imagine he is a player who now needs to be ‘managed’ correctly in terms of game time and training. Injury may not be as bad as feared but I doubt Crawford will ever be a 35-40 games a season player. I also would assume GM knew that when bringing him in.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: drfchound on August 09, 2018, 08:03:36 pm
When will our luck change.  Every season this type of thing happens , are we just ginxt .





Is that like Gordons gin.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: boro_rover on August 09, 2018, 08:41:58 pm
Shame. We always seem to have poor luck with signings getting early injuries.

As for McCullough I just don’t understand the hype. He can’t stay fit and every season we seem to say he is going to come good but he hasn’t really developed.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on August 10, 2018, 01:40:52 am
As for McCullough I just don’t understand the hype. He can’t stay fit and every season we seem to say he is going to come good but he hasn’t really developed.
Games played
14/15 41
15/16 35
16/17 7
17/18 13

IMO he developed well in those first two seasons, the injuries have set him back. He's 24 now, time to step up. I think he has the desire and focus but he does need game time.

BTW his next appearance in the League will be his 100th for us, which is no small achievement.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Barmby Rover on August 10, 2018, 09:57:22 am
He always looks too slow and ponderous in his passing to me, not a quality player at all.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: bobbymax on August 10, 2018, 10:12:31 am
McCullough seems to be one of 'Marmite' players with Rovers fans. Personally, I think he's a good player who simply needs an interrupted run of game. He has shown he has an excellent range of passing and positional awareness but, surprisingly for a former centre-back, he needs to be stronger in the tackle sometimes if he's to develop into a midfield ball-winner. That said, time is still on his side.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: aidanstu on August 10, 2018, 10:13:46 am
Well a week into the season I’m right with my moan and lack of ambition signing players who’ve played 14 times in 18 month... never want to see any player injured but yet another freebie crock arrives at drfc ..... we’ll done.

You do know Tommy Rowe had only made 23 appearances in two years prior to joining us don’t you? And had broken his foot twice in the season he joined us. Your argument doesn’t add up.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: Barmby Rover on August 10, 2018, 11:06:58 am
Broken bones are a hazard, but end not to make you weaker as a player, knee problems are a downward spiral. Crawford the new Martin Woods?
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: selby on August 10, 2018, 11:14:05 am
  I make no wonder the N.H.S. is going to the dogs, all the specialists are posting on here instead of getting something done, that's why it takes so long to get an appointment.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: aidanstu on August 10, 2018, 11:38:13 am
Broken bones are a hazard, but end not to make you weaker as a player, knee problems are a downward spiral. Crawford the new Martin Woods?

Yeah just ask Dean Ashton, Luc NIllis, David Buust, Alf-Inge Haarland all suffered career ending breaks.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: roversdude on August 10, 2018, 11:41:04 am
McCullough seems to be one of 'Marmite' players with Rovers fans. Personally, I think he's a good player who simply needs an interrupted run of game. He has shown he has an excellent range of passing and positional awareness but, surprisingly for a former centre-back, he needs to be stronger in the tackle sometimes if he's to develop into a midfield ball-winner. That said, time is still on his side.

I wish there was some development with him, respect your opinion but I think he is terrible at reading a game, good at bringing ball out of defence but I think after that his limitations show
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: wing commander on August 10, 2018, 11:44:15 am
  Anybody who has suffered a major knee injury, whether they are pro sportsman or not will tell you it is never the same again,most know how cold it is by how it aches in a morning and if your lucky enough to not have that,you will always be prone to further issues...You don't have to be a specialist to know that..
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: DearneValleyRover on August 10, 2018, 12:30:43 pm
Have to agree WC, snapped my acl years ago and although the repair was a success it was never as strong again despite months of Physiotherapy, swimming and gym work plus you have zero confidence that it won’t happen again. Oh and in cold weather and when it’s about to rain it really does ache.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: aidanstu on August 10, 2018, 12:33:44 pm
  Anybody who has suffered a major knee injury, whether they are pro sportsman or not will tell you it is never the same again,most know how cold it is by how it aches in a morning and if your lucky enough to not have that,you will always be prone to further issues...You don't have to be a specialist to know that..

What constitutes a major knee injury? I accept Crawford has had 4 knee injuries in his career but none have kept him out for much more than 2 months. I don’t know if they were the same knee or even related. Do you? We don’t even know how it was caused. Don’t write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: DearneValleyRover on August 10, 2018, 12:42:06 pm
Each time a knee is injured it deteriorates you lose cartilage or the ligaments stretch and lose strength even if operated on they are never the same. I’ve had cartilage removed, then a new acl and finally I’ve had to have my right knee replaced and will be having the left replaced either at the end of the year or early next. I’m not writing him off I just don’t see him being able to get through a full season without problems. I do hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: aidanstu on August 10, 2018, 01:01:54 pm
Each time a knee is injured it deteriorates you lose cartilage or the ligaments stretch and lose strength even if operated on they are never the same. I’ve had cartilage removed, then a new acl and finally I’ve had to have my right knee replaced and will be having the left replaced either at the end of the year or early next. I’m not writing him off I just don’t see him being able to get through a full season without problems. I do hope I’m wrong

Sorry to hear about your woes but there are plenty who recover well to including this little lot.

https://williamsterett.com/blog-dr-william-sterett/2017/2/20/famous-football-soccer-players-with-torn-acls
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: DearneValleyRover on August 10, 2018, 01:16:37 pm
Thanks my knee problems are work related and it is what it is, I hope Ali does make a full recovery but I would say that Gazza wasn’t the same when he came back nor do I think Walcott is, in  Zouma’s case I’m still trying to find a footballer in the first place.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: steve@dcfd on August 10, 2018, 10:18:36 pm
  Anybody who has suffered a major knee injury, whether they are pro sportsman or not will tell you it is never the same again,most know how cold it is by how it aches in a morning and if your lucky enough to not have that,you will always be prone to further issues...You don't have to be a specialist to know that..

What constitutes a major knee injury? I accept Crawford has had 4 knee injuries in his career but none have kept him out for much more than 2 months. I don’t know if they were the same knee or even related. Do you? We don’t even know how it was caused. Don’t write him off just yet.

That’s not right injured September 2017 a part from three games played again March 2018. Let’s hope this injury is not the same.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: silent majority on August 10, 2018, 10:22:27 pm
As I said before it's not a serious knee injury. It's certainly not his ACL, more than likely a median ligament. No surgery required, just physio and rest.
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: aidanstu on August 11, 2018, 08:00:17 am
  Anybody who has suffered a major knee injury, whether they are pro sportsman or not will tell you it is never the same again,most know how cold it is by how it aches in a morning and if your lucky enough to not have that,you will always be prone to further issues...You don't have to be a specialist to know that..

What constitutes a major knee injury? I accept Crawford has had 4 knee injuries in his career but none have kept him out for much more than 2 months. I don’t know if they were the same knee or even related. Do you? We don’t even know how it was caused. Don’t write him off just yet.

That’s not right injured September 2017 a part from three games played again March 2018. Let’s hope this injury is not the same.

I’m afraid it is right.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ali-crawford/verletzungen/spieler/79620
Title: Re: Crawford injury
Post by: steve@dcfd on August 11, 2018, 08:46:25 am
But that just the same he came back for 3 games in total at different times in that period but apart from those games he was not ready for consistent play until March 18.