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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Campsall rover on September 06, 2018, 09:20:33 am
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I know this is a DRFC football forum but for any of you who are cricket fans like me. ( My second home between April and Sept is Headingley)
Just wanted to mention I payed my first visit to Trent Bridge yesterday since the late 1980’s and I had a brilliant day. What a fabulous ground Trent Bridge is. The scoreboards (2) are so much superior to either of the Headingley ones. There is no information missing.
The announcer is so prompt and informative on all milestones during the play. The staff are so professional and polite. Everything about the place was 10/10 Even the Cricket was good!!! Gary Balance made a century which keeps Yorkshire in the game.
So if any Cricket fans haven’t been to Trent Bridge I would highly recommend they do at their earliest opportunity. I have been meaning to go for years and so pleased I did yesterday.
Next season all 4 days will be pencilled in on my calendar for the County Championship match.
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I'm with you. All the changes at Trent Bridge have been for the better, yet it still seems to keep that old-fashioned cricket ground feel, maybe because the old pavilion is still centre stage.
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Will we be in the same division ?
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I'm with you. All the changes at Trent Bridge have been for the better, yet it still seems to keep that old-fashioned cricket ground feel, maybe because the old pavilion is still centre stage.
What a fab pavilion it is. At the lunch interval there was a talk about its history.
In the First World War it was used as a military hospital. I didn’t know that.
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Will we be in the same division ?
Good point Geoff. Well I am a glass half full person so I will say yes.
Will depend on the last 3 matches against our 3 relegation rivals Lancs, Hants at home and Worcester away. It’s going to be interesting. Hold on to your seat.
If Coad and Patterson are back from injury I think that could be the deciding factor.
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Come on you Whites - the only Team "based" in Leeds that I follow
Will have to pay Trent Bridge another visit as it is a while ince I went * and it looks far superior to those days and in fact looks tremendous
* Last visit was the day after Sir Geoff ran out Derek "Arkle" Randall obviously the local here. Arkle sent up his dismissal next day with maybe Graham Roope. They went onto the Wicket with and all the Crowd watching Randall shoutes YES and set off running. When he got half way down Roope ? held up his hand and shouted NO leaving Arkle to troop off head bowed
Sir Geoff duly completed a century that day - and the guy at the side of me said "thats it mate - you can start breathing again" Perception of the highest order
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I went to university in Nottingham and used to get down to Trent bridge whenever I could. Favourite memory there was when Ryan Sidebottom had his mid-life crisis and signed for Notts, a Yorkshire old boy shouted at him “Sidebottom...Sidebottom...turn round and show us your front bottom!”
Lancashire’s tie yesterday was a rough result for us and gives them a bit of breathing space, but our last 3 games are against them, Hampshire and Worcestershire so still very much in our own hands.
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I’ve been to Trent Bridge a few times recently (and Headingley) I love going there. Don’t like admitting that as a Yorkie I prefer going to Trent Bridge than Headingley!
I am also looking forward to watching Cricket at Darren Sammi ground in St Lucia and Sir Viv Richards ground in Antigua this November. Don’t like missing Rovers games but some things just need to be done😊🏏🏏
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Come on you Whites - the only Team "based" in Leeds that I follow
Will have to pay Trent Bridge another visit as it is a while ince I went * and it looks far superior to those days and in fact looks tremendous
* Last visit was the day after Sir Geoff ran out Derek "Arkle" Randall obviously the local here. Arkle sent up his dismissal next day with maybe Graham Roope. They went onto the Wicket with and all the Crowd watching Randall shoutes YES and set off running. When he got half way down Roope ? held up his hand and shouted NO leaving Arkle to troop off head bowed
Sir Geoff duly completed a century that day - and the guy at the side of me said "thats it mate - you can start breathing again" Perception of the highest order
I was at Headingley the day after Boycott scored his 100th hundred and...well that's it.
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... and I was working the day of the 100 100s and had to make a choice of when to "bolt" for home. Unlike most of his Drives I mistimed my departure and he had done it
I also went to Headingley on the day of the George Davies is innocent protest. Armed with Sarnies etc I was on the Train and at Wakefield ladies were getting on and then they started saying (having seen the Bags) "If you are off to the Cricket its been called off "
Peoples responses included "good joke" "what?" "nice one yeah right" and "no it isnt", When we got to Leeds there it was in Black and White - Match abandoned. Oh its true said I but less politely I imagine
No Social Media or Mobiles in those days of course !
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My favourite Cricket story of all time was again travelling to Leeds for a Test Match
The Ground had recently introduced a control of the amount of Alcohol you could take in. They introduced a reasonable amount Policy and stated that would be "Either 4 Pints of Beer or a Bottle of Wine". Before that the restriction was how much you could carry !
I got on the Pacer Train to Burley Park and even at 10am people were in full swing drinking. One of the people on the train was a right "hulk" not someone you would ever pick a fight with. He had what I can only describe as a Blue and White Coffin sized Ice Box with him
Hey "Hammer" (cant remember his real name) shouted a Mate - whats in the box.
Hammer says my Beer of course.
Ah but you can only take in a reasonabaly amount says his Pal.
He looks down and says but this IS a reasonable amount says Hammer
No No says his Pal you can only take in 4 Cans
10 seconds later "Hammer" opens his Cooler Box Cofffin and starts shouting his Pals and saying - here have a drink on me - and one by one giving them a Can till he had presumably 4 left
They were all shouting Cheers mate Thanks Mate Nice one Hammer etc etc - and they all got stuck in
There was a 5 to 10 second pause and then Hammer piped up - Oi and all you f*****s - dont forget you owe me a Pint when we get in ! Classic !
pmsl at the time
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I was there the day Boycott scored his 100th 100 in July 1977 and also throughout the 1981 Test when Botham and Willis destroyed the Aussies. They were the most memorable days Cricket I have seen in my 55 years of watching the game from being 8 years old.
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I too was at Headingley for Boycott's 100th ton. I also saw his comeback at Trent Bridge a few weeks earlier when he ground out a ton after running out Derek Randall.
I missed Headingley 1981, although I watched the last day on TV. However I was at all days of the next test, at Edgbaston, which was almost as dramatic - Botham taking five wickets to win a game that looked lost.
I always love to visit Trent Bridge. Fantastic ground.
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Lots of cricket this week. Hopefully see England set up a win in the next two days on Now TV then over to Headingley on Wednesday where Yorkshire have set up the same.
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Lots of cricket this week. Hopefully see England set up a win in the next two days on Now TV then over to Headingley on Wednesday where Yorkshire have set up the same.
Not after today’s performance. Batting very brittle again. Only kholer-Cadmore with a brilliant century and Tattersall played well. Tattersall out to a dodgy LBW.
The bowling was toothless even with the return of Coad and Patterson. Lancashire’s 1st opening stand of over 70 all season 105-0 in reply to our 209 all out. Tomorrow’s a big day!!!
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Good response this morning but we will still be doing well to get anything out of this game.
If we do somehow survive this season, next season is a real worry for me. Can’t help but feeling there is some cost cutting taking place and losing Brooks is a massive blow.
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Why do people think it's wrong to talk about cricket , the races , rugby league/union on this forum . Always apologising for it .
The clue is in the title " Off Topic " , personally I love all of the above and athletics .
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Good response this morning but we will still be doing well to get anything out of this game.
If we do somehow survive this season, next season is a real worry for me. Can’t help but feeling there is some cost cutting taking place and losing Brooks is a massive blow.
Maybe we need a better budget.
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Good response this morning but we will still be doing well to get anything out of this game.
If we do somehow survive this season, next season is a real worry for me. Can’t help but feeling there is some cost cutting taking place and losing Brooks is a massive blow.
Well to be honest apart from his first over this morning which was shocking, Jack Brooks bowled better than he has done for a very long time. So for Somerset to offer a 34 year old fast bowler a 3 year contract seemed like madness. If he can find that zip as he did today then maybe we will miss him, but I do think he is past his best now as he has shown little consistency over this and last season.
Back in the game again after Balance and Kohler-Cadmore put on over 100 for the 4th wicket.
Said today was big, tomorrow is even bigger. First session will be massive. Come on Yorkshire.
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Why do people think it's wrong to talk about cricket , the races , rugby league/union on this forum . Always apologising for it .
The clue is in the title " Off Topic " , personally I love all of the above and athletics .
Out of interest who’s that aimed at? I can’t see a single criticism on this thread!
Back onto cricket, great response from the bowlers and another brilliant effort from Kohler- he’s rescued our last 3 innings, hope we and Ballance can put on a few more today. If we can somehow get another 150-200 runs that would put a hell of a lot of pressure on Lancashire.
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Good start this morning putting on another 50 runs but Kohler-Cadmore & Ballance fell within a couple of overs of each other. Big hour before lunch now - if Tattersall & Bresnan can survive we should be pretty well set at about 200 ahead with 5 wickets left.
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Got a good suntan today. Will pop over tomorrow morning, hopefully for a win that hopefully sees us in div 1 again next year and we can challenge with a more settled side.
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I was at Trent Bridge about 3 or 4 years back when Yorkshire clinched the Championship. A great ground, I think all the white seating and stands makes the ground look neat and tidy even in dull weather as opposed to Headingley which can look grim even in sunny weather. Also try to get to Scarborough every season, although the last 2 seasons have had poor performances and some iffy weather.
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Yorkshire have won. Massive victory that. With Worcestershire likely to lose to Surrey it looks like Lancashire and Worcestershire for the drop.
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We play at Worcester in the last game of the season, so we could help or hinder them.
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Good vibes at Headingley today at the win. Jack Brooks and Ben Coad clearing up. Coad for England ?
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Coad was a name mentioned last winter but he was given a rest, I expect at the very least he'll be on a Lions tour this time around.
Fantastic win, especially after the first day. After last week Kyle Hogg tweeted "When we beat Yorkshire next week do we send them down?!" For some reason he's been pretty quiet today.
Also found out today that because I bought tickets for the Pakistan test this year I can get up to 4 tickets for each day of the Ashes game at Headingley next year. All in all a pretty successful day!
YOOOOOOOOOOOORKSHIRE!
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Coad was a name mentioned last winter but he was given a rest, I expect at the very least he'll be on a Lions tour this time around.
Fantastic win, especially after the first day. After last week Kyle Hogg tweeted "When we beat Yorkshire next week do we send them down?!" For some reason he's been pretty quiet today.
Also found out today that because I bought tickets for the Pakistan test this year I can get up to 4 tickets for each day of the Ashes game at Headingley next year. All in all a pretty successful day!
YOOOOOOOOOOOORKSHIRE!
He’s not quick enough for test level is he? Suck a gulf between county cricket and test cricket these days.
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Is Jimmy Anderson a quick bowler ?
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Coad was a name mentioned last winter but he was given a rest, I expect at the very least he'll be on a Lions tour this time around.
Fantastic win, especially after the first day. After last week Kyle Hogg tweeted "When we beat Yorkshire next week do we send them down?!" For some reason he's been pretty quiet today.
Also found out today that because I bought tickets for the Pakistan test this year I can get up to 4 tickets for each day of the Ashes game at Headingley next year. All in all a pretty successful day!
YOOOOOOOOOOOORKSHIRE!
He’s not quick enough for test level is he? Suck a gulf between county cricket and test cricket these days.
I thought that about Sam Curran, but he hasn't done too badly.
There are a few genuinely fast bowlers about - Jamie Overton, Olly Stone, Zak Chappell - but they are all injury prone. You need to include one of those alongside skilled fast-medium bowlers like Anderson, Broad and Woakes. Coad probably fits into that group.
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I've seen Overton & Stone mooted as going to Sri Lanka, although given that one of Broad & Anderson is set to be rested it wouldn't surprise me if Coad went as well. True he doesn't have the express pace but then neither do Broad and Anderson, and I think that Coad has the potential to be a successful test bowler, at least in this country.
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Coad was a name mentioned last winter but he was given a rest, I expect at the very least he'll be on a Lions tour this time around.
Fantastic win, especially after the first day. After last week Kyle Hogg tweeted "When we beat Yorkshire next week do we send them down?!" For some reason he's been pretty quiet today.
Also found out today that because I bought tickets for the Pakistan test this year I can get up to 4 tickets for each day of the Ashes game at Headingley next year. All in all a pretty successful day!
YOOOOOOOOOOOORKSHIRE!
He’s not quick enough for test level is he? Suck a gulf between county cricket and test cricket these days.
I thought that about Sam Curran, but he hasn't done too badly.
There are a few genuinely fast bowlers about - Jamie Overton, Olly Stone, Zak Chappell - but they are all injury prone. You need to include one of those alongside skilled fast-medium bowlers like Anderson, Broad and Woakes. Coad probably fits into that group.
Curran has the advantage of being a left armed I suppose so the batsmen have the differing angle to contend with. We will always have a line of bowlers suitable for English conditions but ideally we need to find lads that can do it away from home as well.
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Went to days 1,2 & 3 of the Roses match.
One of the best games for a number of years. Not a game you could take your eyes off or you would miss something. A proper old fashioned Roses battle.
Balance, Kohler-Cadmore, Coad & Brooks did the business but a great team performance and you could visibly see the confidence and belief return to the team.
Should stay up now but we need to keep the foot on the gas and make sure going into the last match at Worcester we are not under pressure to get a result. Beat Hampshire at Headingley next week and we are safe. 18 points needed for mathematical safety.
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Coad was a name mentioned last winter but he was given a rest, I expect at the very least he'll be on a Lions tour this time around.
Fantastic win, especially after the first day. After last week Kyle Hogg tweeted "When we beat Yorkshire next week do we send them down?!" For some reason he's been pretty quiet today.
Also found out today that because I bought tickets for the Pakistan test this year I can get up to 4 tickets for each day of the Ashes game at Headingley next year. All in all a pretty successful day!
YOOOOOOOOOOOORKSHIRE!
He’s not quick enough for test level is he? Suck a gulf between county cricket and test cricket these days.
You don’t have to bowl at 90+ mph to be a test quality bowler. Jimmy Anderson for example.
Coad must be on the Radar now. I think he could be the next one on the block.
Anderson and Broad are nearing the end of their careers. Of the under 25’s Sam & Tom Curran and Coad look the best bets at the present time imo. Coad is 24 so is definitely ready for the big time.
Will be a massive loss to Yorkshire’s team if he does get into the England team.
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Will rain across the country for the next couple of weeks do us
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Will rain across the country for the next couple of weeks do us
Mathematically we need 18 more points to be 100% safe. But the reality is we almost certainly will need less. 2 draws with no play at all is 3 points a game. A drawn match is 5 points + any bonus points so 2 drawn games will in all probability be enough.
Weather forecast looks pretty good fo Headingley this week, rain on 3rd day Thursday.
Next week at Worcester so far looks fine.
Can’t see us being relegated now. We would have to get hammered twice and Lancs and Worcestershire will have to win their games also.
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Positive thinking. If we win our last 2 games we could finish 3rd :thumbsup:
Depends what Essex do. 4th is realistic.
It’s very tight below the top 2.
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Another crazy day today’s cricket today - another poor batting performance with the bowlers getting us out of a hole once more. Hopefully can skittle the remaining batsmen tomorrow, post a half decent lead and get the win to keep us in the championship.
One area we massively need to improve is the batting. I know it’s been a bowlers year in general with the state of some of the pitches and the conditions but Christ some of our averages are appalling. Brook 26, Leaning 25, Lyth 21. Pujara 14.33 across 12 innings, his overseas replacement Raval only 11 and the worst of the lot, Lees with 6.25 - 50 runs in 8 innings. Need the next Bairstow or Root to come through pronto!
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We have 2 young batsmen with massive potential in Brook and Kohler-Cadmore. If we continue to put Brook in at no 3 in the batting order we may possibly destroy this lads confidence.
As we seem to loose a wicket early on a regular basis this lad who is only 20 is going in as virtual opening batsmen against the new ball.
This is a very big ask against the likes of some very good experienced opening bowlers such as Abbott and Edwards today.
He may well be an opener or a no 3 in 2/3 years time but as of the present he is a no 5 batsmen.
I really hope we don’t destroy this lads confidence and self belief as that would be criminal.
As for Kohler-Cadmore he has been in a rich vain of form as of late.
Today played a very strange type of half leave it shot and played on.
Is imo also a No 5 at present but I think could be ok at 3
Tattersall would probably be best suited imo to the no 3 out of the current team.
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Another absorbing day at Headingley which finished with Yorks leading by 199 with 6 wicktes left.
Bresnan the star man this time in getting a 5 for in Hampshire’s 1st innings of 157 giving us a lead of 27
Yorks on 172-4 second innings with Lyth as anchor man unbeaten on 60 odd.
Tomorrow we look like only getting play up to lunch before the weather sets in. If we can take the lead to 280/300 ish we will be in a very strong position going into the last day with a draw being the worst case scenario. That would give us 8 points. We would then only need 2 points from the last match at Worcester and that is if Lancashire got the full 24 points from their last game away at Hampshire.
The above is of course assuming Worcestershire don’t win against Essex and at close of play today look like they are going to lose the match heavily.
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What is the points scoring structure in the county championship Campbell? Don't bother mate if it's a complicated write.
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I think I read somewhere that if this match ends in a draw Yorkshire will be 23 points ahead of Lancashire, meaning Yorkshire wil only require 1point from the next match
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Currently 17 points ahead of Lancs.
Do we get another 5 if no result/further play possible?
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The county championship works on a points system, the winner being the team with most points in the first division. The points are currently awarded as follows, with a draw increasing to 5 points [18] from 2014:
Win: 16 points + bonus points.
Tie: 8 points + bonus points.
Draw: 5 points + bonus points.
Loss: Bonus points.
Bonus points are collected for batting and bowling. These points can only be obtained from the first 110 overs of each team's first innings.[19] The bonus points are retained regardless of the outcome of the match.
Batting
200-249 runs: 1 point
250-299 runs: 2 points
300-349 runs: 3 points
350-399 runs: 4 points
400+ runs: 5 points
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Yorkshire will be ok so long as they don't lose. After the interruptions today a draw is the favourite.
If Yorkshire do stay up (I think they will) I really hope the game v Warwickshire is at Scarborough. If so, my summer holidays are sorted!
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The county championship works on a points system, the winner being the team with most points in the first division. The points are currently awarded as follows, with a draw increasing to 5 points [18] from 2014:
Win: 16 points + bonus points.
Tie: 8 points + bonus points.
Draw: 5 points + bonus points.
Loss: Bonus points.
Bonus points are collected for batting and bowling. These points can only be obtained from the first 110 overs of each team's first innings.[19] The bonus points are retained regardless of the outcome of the match.
Batting
200-249 runs: 1 point
250-299 runs: 2 points
300-349 runs: 3 points
350-399 runs: 4 points
400+ runs: 5 points
You missed out the bowling points.
1st innings 3 wickets 1 point, 6 wickets 2 points, 9 wickets 3 points. Again in the first 110 overs only.
Thanks for the rest of it though Filo, saved me the from doing it. :thumbsup:
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Currently 17 points ahead of Lancs.
Do we get another 5 if no result/further play possible?
Yes we do. So 8 points in this match means mathematically we only need 2 against Worcestershire and that is if Lancs get all 24 possible points in their last game.
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Match abandoned - we need 2 Points now and forecast better. Should get 2 surely
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Thanks chaps. Much appreciated.
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Match abandoned - we need 2 Points now and forecast better. Should get 2 surely
Yes I am sure we will but I can’t see Lancs getting 24 in their match at Southampton against Hants.
Need to try and win and we could finish 4th.
Really pleased to see Adam Lyth get an unbeaten 100 yesterday. Really deserved. So many 20 something innings’s this season. Only takes 1 good ball to get you out and he seems to be on the end of a few after getting himself in.
Looking forward to next season. Hopefully about 5/6 of the Surrey team will be playing for England which might give everyone else just a inkling of a chance. Looking at the strength of their squad I would make them favourites to retain the title again next year.
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2 bowling points today, ensures safety
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: (Relief - but we should always be nearer top than botttom - even though we always loan our best Players to ECB)
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: (Relief - but we should always be nearer top than botttom - even though we always loan our best Players to ECB)
Great day today over 400 runs and another century for Gary Ballance. In great form and should not be discarded from the England team. Big mistake should be on that plane to Sri Lanka.
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I think something is wrong with cricket organisation..
Test players hardly ever get to play for their counties in the 4 day game, to recover or maintain form as well as to play for the home club..
Whilst I can see why the one day games and T20 are popular, I noticed quite a few times over the middle of summer from June through July where hardly any 4 day cricket took place.. I seem to remember checking the bbc cricket website one time in July to find Yorkshire didn’t have a game of any format for a period of about 9 days..
That’s crazy..!
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I think something is wrong with cricket organisation..
Test players hardly ever get to play for their counties in the 4 day game, to recover or maintain form as well as to play for the home club..
Whilst I can see why the one day games and T20 are popular, I noticed quite a few times over the middle of summer from June through July where hardly any 4 day cricket took place.. I seem to remember checking the bbc cricket website one time in July to find Yorkshire didn’t have a game of any format for a period of about 9 days..
That’s crazy..!
The fixture list is not good for fans of traditional 4 day Championship Cricket.
Most of July and August was allocated to the T20 and there was only two 4 day fixtures from 1st July
through to the 19th August.
3 of 14 1st Div Fixtures were played in April and 5 from 19th Aug to the last week in Sept.
Not surprising then we are getting bowler friendly conditions and batsmen are struggling.
Yes it is ridiculous test players are not made available to play for their counties.
In the 1970’s & 80’s they played 22 Championship matches ( 3 days then ) and Test Matches.
Going back further they played over 30 Championship matches.
To be honest I think it is a joke. They have all this sports science now and all these fitness coaches.
They are supposed to be fitter than ever. But they get more injuries now than they ever got 30/40/50 years ago.
I know what Fred Trueman and his like would say about the present set up. It’s unprintable.
Any way after that moan great result for Yorkshire at Worcester and we have now finished in a respectable 4th place with 5 wins and 5 defeats out of 14 games.
Notice Lancs won and Notts lost heavily and ended on same points total. Lancs were relegated on fewer wins.
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20twenty is killing the County Championship,just like it is doing to club cricket and it will do to the majority of test cricket
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This 100 ball b*llocks won't half stick the boot in as well.
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20twenty is killing the County Championship,just like it is doing to club cricket and it will do to the majority of test cricket
Batsmen don’t know where their off stump is any more due to 20/20 Cricket.
Even top players like Joe Root are playing shots to balls over a foot outside the off stump they should be leaving well alone.
But if the Test players don’t play for their clubs how on earth are they supposed to get any competitive practice in that form of the game. Don’t get me going please.
I like 50 over Cricket and find 20/20 entertaining but the 4 day game is to me the bread and butter and without it how can we or other countries produce test match players.
If they kill County Championship Cricket they will also kill test cricket and that to me and most of my generation and older and many Cricket fans younger than me also love the traditional format of the game. It would be a huge tragedy if it was to disappear.
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What galled me was a couple of seasons ago when our England players were prevented from playing in the final and deciding game against Middlesex by Strauss who had ties with ........ oh yeah Middlesex
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By the way great end to the season by our boys well done
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Got to mention Marcus Banger Trescothick today with his three catches
Bowler got a hat trick and all 3 of them were caught in the Slips by Banger - great rarity to get 2 in 2 I bet
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Got to mention Marcus Banger Trescothick today with his three catches
Bowler got a hat trick and all 3 of them were caught in the Slips by Banger - great rarity to get 2 in 2 I bet
Yes still a very good slip catcher. He took a brilliant catch against Yorkshire at Headingley.
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Kohler- Cadmore is in the Lions squad.
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Got to mention Marcus Banger Trescothick today with his three catches
Bowler got a hat trick and all 3 of them were caught in the Slips by Banger - great rarity to get 2 in 2 I bet
Yes still a very good slip catcher. He took a brilliant catch against Yorkshire at Headingley.
First time since 1914 someone has had 3 catches in 3 balls.
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So a respectable 4th place finish for Yorkshire, and the Lancs get relegated on "goal difference"
Shame!
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So a respectable 4th place finish for Yorkshire, and the Lancs get relegated on "goal difference"
Shame!
Will miss beating them next season though.
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it's a funny system but it keeps it interesting..Finished 4th and yet were fighting relegation until the last match..Just got my tickets for Sri Lanka v West Indies in the world cup next year..
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During the Summer there’s nothing finer than sitting in the garden and listening to Test Mstch Special...with the exception of being there of course. I do enjoy going to Scarborough every year to watch Yorkshire too.
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During the Summer there’s nothing finer than sitting in the garden and listening to Test Mstch Special...with the exception of being there of course. I do enjoy going to Scarborough every year to watch Yorkshire too.
TMS has not quite been the same though since the days of John Arlott and Brian Johnston, Fred Truman, Don Mosey etc. Now we have lost Henry Bloefeld.
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Still some great stuff from Aggers, Vic Marks, Tuffers, Rob Key and Vaughney though.
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Still some great stuff from Aggers, Vic Marks, Tuffers, Rob Key and Vaughney though.
Agreed :thumbsup: