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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on October 23, 2018, 09:56:50 pm
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First half, good game to watch, very competitive and very even until we had those two one on ones at the end of the half really should have buried one or both. Second half starts with Andrew diving in (again), sorry that cost us the goal, then the defense switch off from the rebound.
Rest of the half we could be still playing and we wouldn't look like scoring. An excellent show of game management from Sunderland.
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Sunderland were much sharper and faster than us at everything, that was the difference.
Rovers ran out of ideas in the second half.
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Not seen a replay yet ,butit looked like Gouch got lucky with his first touch.
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They were just so solid, resilient, professionals etc.
I think we’re a top 10 side, nothing wrong with that but for me that’s what we are.
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Not seen a replay yet ,butit looked like Gouch got lucky with his first touch.
Gooch was a threat all game. Pretty much their only play maker in the first half.
Other than that they were looking for the ball in behind which didn't work. An unspectacular Sunderland team but if they can do a job on us they'll do a job on most teams in league.
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I thought they were a massively dirty side helped by a very weak ref
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I didn’t think they were very special at all and if we had taken one of our chances in the first half I think we would have won the game. They did very little and got very fortunate with the goal. We deserved at least a point
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We were terrible in the last 20 mins, made it very easy for them to see out. Lost any momentum with the subs. What is the point of Anderson? Just jigs around through the motions.
I personally think we’re a decent striker away from being top 6.
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I thought they were a massively dirty side helped by a very weak ref
When we battled to a victory at Walsall a lot of fans were buzzing we were “shithouses”.
They did it even better tonight.
Let’s be honest we barely troubled them
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We tired likely because again we were chasing a game. Our issue is not taking chances and ending up behind. We need to get in front and then see a game out.
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I thought they were a massively dirty side helped by a very weak ref
When we battled to a victory at Walsall a lot of fans were buzzing we were “shithouses”.
They did it even better tonight.
Let’s be honest we barely troubled them
The Wilkes one on one, the ref let it go when Wilkes got pulled back, but then failed to bring the game back and give their player a yellow, the ref let them get away with things all game, how they ended with all 11 on the pitch at FT is a mystery
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Bear in mind too the strength in depth Sunderland have too. They brought on players that would walk into most championship teams. We didn’t. That’s the gulf that parachute payments make, not to mention the fact that they’re a much bigger club historically. We take the chances we had first half, we win. Agree about them managing the game. Their squad makes that possible.
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I thought they were a massively dirty side helped by a very weak ref
When we battled to a victory at Walsall a lot of fans were buzzing we were “shithouses”.
They did it even better tonight.
Let’s be honest we barely troubled them
The Wilkes one on one, the ref let it go when Wilkes got pulled back, but then failed to bring the game back and give their player a yellow, the ref let them get away with things all game, how they ended with all 11 on the pitch at FT is a mystery
That was red Filo. Professional foul.
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I thought we were excellent all game, against the best team in this division by far we more than held our own
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The two misses just before half time cost us.
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First half was a really good half, very competitive, and I thought we matched them
The two one-on-ones at the end of the half proved crucial though. Once Sunderland got the goal we never really troubled them. They knew every cynical trick in the book, but we have to look at ourselves and on the ball we were nowhere near good enough 2nd half.
Priority for January - trade Alfie May for someone who can actually come on and influence a game. We are bereft of quality in those forward positions beyond the first choice front 3, which we can't afford to be because Coppinger isn't going to play 90 mins every game. Could at least give Alfie Beestin a go until January because May offers absolutely nothing. He's a trier but unfortunately not good enough.
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Sunderland were much sharper and faster than us at everything, that was the difference.
Rovers ran out of ideas in the second half.
it’s McCann that ran out of ideas . Crawford should have played , he’s more forward thinking and his passing is his strength. Too many touches wanted all the time from Kane , Whiteman , Copps and Blair They hung to the ball too long and left Marquis waiting and waiting. Blair missed a great opportunity where Crawford wouldn’t have . All in all a good game made frustrating by an over zealous referee .
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We got after them in the first half and were probably the better side. Really, we had to score one of those two chances before half time.
Second half, so disappointing. We never got into it, ran out of ideas. They controlled it once they went in front and looked a much more assured side than we did.
Subs were piss poor.
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If you don't take your chance you will lose we had more chance than Sunderland having said that this season so far. Is 100% better than the last two under the last manager
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Thing is as well is what was it 33 shots in the last game and 18 for tonight's? And only yielded 1 point from 6.
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The first goal in a game , especially a tight game, usually changes the complexion of it.
That is why it was harder for us in the second half.
Sunderland could then play in a more controlled way because the emphasis was on us to break them down.
Had we scored one of those chances just before half time it could well have had the opposite effect and we could have been in their position.
To say we barely troubled them is a crazy statement to make.
We went close quite a few times before half time while the best they could offer was two headers, that they should have done better with to be fair.
We were at least as good, if not better, than Sunderland in the first half.
The goal made all the difference though and credit is due to them for holding out for the victory.
We have had three, clean trough one on ones in the last two games and not scored any of them.
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Yep, got to agree with most that's been said above.
The way Sunderland managed the game after we gave them the goal is something we need to aspire to if we need to be successful. They were intelligent, energetic and did enough to make sure we didn't get any momentum going.
As said, I would have liked to see how they responded had we have taken one of those chances, as briefly it looked like we were getting on top of them and they were committing alot of fouls.
Not sure what's up with Danny Andrew but he's not doing it forward or back. I'd be tempted to give Amos a run out.
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If Evina or ATS had made the slip to allow their player to break clear leading to their goal this forum would have been blasting them.
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If Evina or ATS had made the slip to allow their player to break clear leading to their goal this forum would have been blasting them.
Not seen a replay but it looked a bad mistake.
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If Evina or ATS had made the slip to allow their player to break clear leading to their goal this forum would have been blasting them.
The difference being that Andrew is a very good player.
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He is a good player but he's not performing at the moment.
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They were just too good for us, closed us down, more energy, far quicker, stronger, won most second balls too. The chances near half time would have changed how we would have played second half, but after the goal they were much better than us, no shame in that, we had a go but just lack the quality they have.
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Andrew has been poor recently. And he got left for dead before the goal. I saw it coming the moment he was beaten that a goal was coming.
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They were just too good for us, closed us down, more energy, far quicker, stronger, won most second balls too. The chances near half time would have changed how we would have played second half, but after the goal they were much better than us, no shame in that, we had a go but just lack the quality they have.
I don’t think they were too good for us in the first half,in fact I had us as the better team and most likely to score.
The goal changed things though and because of that the complexion of the game gave them an opportunity to play in a more controlled manner.
Had we scored first things would have been different.
If they are supposed to be the best team in the division then we have a good chance of being in the top six in May.
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I was sat next to the incident where hooch went past Andrew and it was very lucky.
Andrew got a touch and it came back off gooch and went past Andrew.
He didn’t slip or dive in was just unlucky
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Simple facts are 1 point from a possible 9 with the last 3 home games.
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I wish Wilks would f**k off shooting at absolutely every available opportunity as well. I like a player who'll have a dig rather than fanny about on the ball and pass it backwards or something but Christ he needs to get his head up sometimes.
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They were just so solid, resilient, professionals etc.
I think we’re a top 10 side, nothing wrong with that but for me that’s what we are.
Who are the nine teams better than us?
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They were just too good for us, closed us down, more energy, far quicker, stronger, won most second balls too. The chances near half time would have changed how we would have played second half, but after the goal they were much better than us, no shame in that, we had a go but just lack the quality they have.
I don,t think they were too good for us Les, we were the best side in the first half, we just didn’t come out for the second half
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I wish Wilks would f**k off shooting at absolutely every available opportunity as well. I like a player who'll have a dig rather than fanny about on the ball and pass it backwards or something but Christ he needs to get his head up sometimes.
I think the lot of them need to practice how to hit a ball with power, they never seem to get hold of the ball when shooting
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I wish Wilks would f**k off shooting at absolutely every available opportunity as well. I like a player who'll have a dig rather than fanny about on the ball and pass it backwards or something but Christ he needs to get his head up sometimes.
I think the lot of them need to practice how to hit a ball with power, they never seem to get hold of the ball when shooting
Even Marquis was struggling in that respect tonight, every chance he got he seemed to scuff or not make proper contact with.
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I'd have them on the training pitch using goals with the crossbars three foot high. Their inability to keep the ball down when shooting is alarming.
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Have to agree with that BB. Particularly Danny Andrew, our free kick specialist, spacialises in Ooh, just over! Not good enough.
Likewise Wilks, who was dead eye dick at the start of the season is becoming Barn Door Billy. I even saw McCann gesture to him to keep them down.
Hard work needs to be put in to get back to doing what we were doing better earlier in the season.
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Saturday 32 shots 3 goals today, 17 shots no goals. Defences are not that good at this level, the strikers are letting us down. End of story.
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Gooch was excellent tonight but he got very lucky with the first touch that took it beyond Andrew.
For me neither full back has been up to scratch recently. And are we missing Mason and Butler at the weekend through suspension now?
One more thing on Andrew, what has happened to his dead ball delivery? Cannot find a man with a free kick or corner at the moment.
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The build-up is usually too slow. By the time we get into a shooting position, the ball has to travel through a mass of bodies crammed in front of goal.
THAT'S what's wrong.
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The build-up is usually too slow. By the time we get into a shooting position, the ball has to travel through a mass of bodies crammed in front of goal.
THAT'S what's wrong.
Precisely.
It isn't a new problem, either. Thought we'd moved away from that but it's crept back in.
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Have to give Sunderland credit having thought about it. They kept John very quiet. Then again they have the budget to allow that don't they? What is it? 42m last season and another 19m this from the parachute payments? Imagine if we had 61m to play with...
Agree about Wilks. He needs to get his head over the ball more - keep it down. He also needs to play other players in, which he didn't do tonight, rather than shooting every time. He's not going to score a worldie every game.
What we did do tonight first half and Kane in the second is get the ball down and run at their defence. It's a nightmare to defend against at any level and Sunderland resorted to cynical fouls most of the time.
Some of our play at times tonight was lovely. The passing and movement especially first half was sublime.
I've said it earlier but Rovers kept 4000 Sunderland fans very very quiet tonight. That speaks volumes (shite pun intended).
Next!
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Saturday 32 shots 3 goals today, 17 shots no goals. Defences are not that good at this level, the strikers are letting us down. End of story.
Not just the strikers though, Blair had the best chance last night
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I wish Wilks would f**k off shooting at absolutely every available opportunity as well. I like a player who'll have a dig rather than fanny about on the ball and pass it backwards or something but Christ he needs to get his head up sometimes.
I think the lot of them need to practice how to hit a ball with power, they never seem to get hold of the ball when shooting
That wasn’t Wilkes’ issue at all. He blazed over two or three times when he focussed too much on power over precision.
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Gooch got very lucky with his first touch for their goal. He actually miscontrolled it.
Thought we did ok last night We’ve played a lot worse this season. If only one of those 2 one on ones had gone in. I think it was about sxxt finishing rather than good keeping
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I thought Andrew slipped leading up to their goal, very unlucky..
Otherwise we were very good apart from
The shooting.!
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Likewise Wilks, who was dead eye dick at the start of the season is becoming Barn Door Billy. I even saw McCann gesture to him to keep them down.
I noticed that aswell DBR.
Wilks opted for a curler towards the top corner instead of a low hard daisy-cutter which would have been a much better option.
But we played well tonight, especially first half, and certainly didn't let ourselves down. It's just frustrating we didn't convert at least one of our chances because we deserved something out of that.
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Andrew has been poor recently. And he got left for dead before the goal. I saw it coming the moment he was beaten that a goal was coming.
Actually, I thought he had a decent game. The goal incident was just plain unlucky.
As for Sunderland, I thought tactics like that had disappeared with the end of the 70s. They targeted our creative players from minute one. The ref was a coward, the number eight should have walked for that early challenge on Copps which was late, high and vicious and that set the tone for him Cattermole and assorted other cloggers to assault players left, right and centre. I'm not surprised we took matters into our hands after that because we got no protection, the foul on Mason prior to his yellow card and the two-footed lunge on Marquis near the corner flag which wasn't punished just two examples.
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talking to some Sunderland fans in the Red Lion this morning, they thought their keeper was man of the match.
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Simple facts are 1 point from a possible 9 with the last 3 home games.
No denying those facts Alan but it is only fair to see them with some background context.
In my opinion our performances deserved better than a return of only 1 point from those 3 home games, that has to be some cause for comfort.
It's not as if we have been totally outplayed, or failed to show any effort or ability.
As the thread title says, fine margins.
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First half I thought was pretty even, before our double chance just before half time I thought they kept us at arms length, they also had 3 decent chances to take the lead with a couple of headers & one at the back post. Sunderland had better quality all over the pitch, no great surprise there, but what they did was to play like the underdog & got in our faces & worked very hard to stop us playing, both fair means & foul, also quicker to the ball & winning most second balls. Better side won in my opinion, the game showed me the difference between a top three side & a team that may flirt with the play offs. Just my honest opinion.
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First half, as well as the two one on ones, Butler had a header well saved.
Marquis had a header just wide of the post.
We also got some superb balls across the face of their goal which could have resulted in a goal.
Not really a barren half for us.
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Sunderland didn’t have better quality all over the pitch. Our midfield bossed it for long periods
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They did in my opinion, better than our midfield.
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There's no doubt we got at them and got through them at times however they stuck to their task and worked very hard for each other. They did what they had to do to stop us playing and prevent any momentum building up. I wouldn't say be bossed it.
Overall, despite their cynicism, there was plenty to admire about Sunderland, albeit they have more resources to call upon.
I want to see us get back to that pressing game and sustain it for longer periods. We just seemed to have dropped off it lately and have not been as committed to it. Although 32 shots in a game suggests otherwise. We can all see though the business end in terms of final ball, finishing,, quality of shooting seems to have dropped. Is that down to anxiety, may be trying too hard to force things and messing it up?
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I was hoping they would come with the billy big bo--ox attitude, but far from it they did a job on us, got the goal, & were rarely troubled after it. Fair play to their manager, he's certainly got them at it.
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They did in my opinion, better than our midfield.
Not sure what game you were watching, or if you’re just being negative for the sake of it. But Cattermole and his mate in the middle couldn’t live with Kane, whiteman and coppinger for much of the game.