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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: godlike1 on October 27, 2018, 05:52:59 pm
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And trying to do things on the cheap are starting to show their head as we start to drop like a stone.
Once a new managers tactics, lack of investment to add to the squads depth are found out we start to drop like a stone.
Nice one
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Isn't it amusing that the same old faces only ever post when the results doesn't go our way. What cheerful lives they must lead!
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Isn't it amusing that the same old faces only ever post when the results doesn't go our way. What cheerful lives they must lead!
Nope I post lots of positive things on here about the club as well so that comment just shows how blinkered you are
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McCann literally said he had money to spend but didn't feel like spending it. Stop being dense.
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Isn't it amusing that the same old faces only ever post when the results doesn't go our way. What cheerful lives they must lead!
Nope I post lots of positive things on here about the club as well so that comment just shows how blinkered you are
Sorry, did I mention any names?
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Isn't it amusing that the same old faces only ever post when the results doesn't go our way. What cheerful lives they must lead!
Nope I post lots of positive things on here about the club as well so that comment just shows how blinkered you are
Sorry, did I mention any names?
No but we all know them :sick: ;)
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Wasn't the last reliable information we heard that we had roughly a top 8 budget?
We're 8th.
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Hardly dropping like a stone, just need to stick a couple of wins together and we'll be back in the play off slots
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McCann literally said he had money to spend but didn't feel like spending it. Stop being dense.
Baldwin has said now that any new signings will be in addition to the budget and will need backing up with reasons why
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McCann literally said he had money to spend but didn't feel like spending it. Stop being dense.
Baldwin has said now that any new signings will be in addition to the budget and will need backing up with reasons why
"Gavin Baldwin insists the Doncaster Rovers board are open to making extra investment in the playing squad during the January transfer window."
Means the board are open to the team being strengthened. Nowhere in the article from the other day does he say the budgets spent or not spent.
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With so many player’s contracts coming to an end, it’s got to be a bigger headache now that form is dipping. As I see it you either demonstrate to the players you’re looking to keep by signing replacements now for those you’re attempting to get rid of or just get loans in to bolster the team and tread through treacle until the end of the season , with players not pulling their weight knowing their contracts won’t be renewed. Otherwise form of the team could just go further down hill.
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Sadlike1
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Dropping like a stone :lol: :lol: :lol:
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McCann literally said he had money to spend but didn't feel like spending it. Stop being dense.
Baldwin has said now that any new signings will be in addition to the budget and will need backing up with reasons why
"Gavin Baldwin insists the Doncaster Rovers board are open to making extra investment in the playing squad during the January transfer window."
Means the board are open to the team being strengthened. Nowhere in the article from the other day does he say the budgets spent or not spent.
Extra investment,
So not money that’s currently available in the budget.
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Here we go again a few bad results and out of the woodwork they appear.
We are not playing badly we are just giving away some goals by not closing down and not taking our chances at the other end.
Yes 1st half today not good, we were pedestrian to say the least.
2nd half we were all over them. Coventry we’re defending as if their lives depended on it. 10 men behind the ball.
We through everything at them bar the kitchen sink. Very unlucky not to get a well deserved equaliser.
No need to panic. If we play consistently with the intensity as we did in 2nd half today then this poor run of results will be just a blip.
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I’m not out of the woodwork mate, I’ve always said our starting 11 is good but we don’t have the numbers to cope when the suspensions and injuries kick in
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Wasn't the last reliable information we heard that we had roughly a top 8 budget?
We're 8th.
This is exactly the point. Where we are currently is where we really should be. The last guy never in a month of Sunday’s had us in top half. The current guy has never been in bottom half. If we finish this season knocking on doors of play offs then this will have been a good year - and a manifest improvement on what we had served up last year and in our relegation season.
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I’m not out of the woodwork mate, I’ve always said our starting 11 is good but we don’t have the numbers to cope when the suspensions and injuries kick in
Did I say i was talking about you Dickos. No I didn’t and I wasn’t.
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Wasn't the last reliable information we heard that we had roughly a top 8 budget?
We're 8th.
This is exactly the point. Where we are currently is where we really should be. The last guy never in a month of Sunday’s had us in top half. The current guy has never been in bottom half. If we finish this season knocking on doors of play offs then this will have been a good year - and a manifest improvement on what we had served up last year and in our relegation season.
We were never in the top half under Ferguson? Are you sure about that
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I’m not out of the woodwork mate, I’ve always said our starting 11 is good but we don’t have the numbers to cope when the suspensions and injuries kick in
Did I say i was talking about you Dickos. No I didn’t and I wasn’t.
You posted directly under my post
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An interesting stat is in Ferguson’s first 16 games we got 25 points, in McCanns first 16 games we’ve got 25 points.
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I hope we do better in the next nineteen games then.
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An interesting stat is in Ferguson’s first 16 games we got 25 points, in McCanns first 16 games we’ve got 25 points.
Well ive enjoyed them 25 points a whole lot more,I wanna be entertained not bored to death
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Not sure u were bored to death in Ferguson’s first 16 games
Later on you’d have a point but in those first 16 games there were some cracking games
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Wasn't the last reliable information we heard that we had roughly a top 8 budget?
We're 8th.
This is exactly the point. Where we are currently is where we really should be. The last guy never in a month of Sunday’s had us in top half. The current guy has never been in bottom half. If we finish this season knocking on doors of play offs then this will have been a good year - and a manifest improvement on what we had served up last year and in our relegation season.
And a failure to successfully achieve the board's remit, which is a top 6 finish.
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Two thirds of the season still to go.
Don’t panic.
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if we didn't have JM we would be knackered I stated at the start of the season we needed another striker and I still stand by that. Will's just does not do it for me to much of a hot head.
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But we have got JM.
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We need more than jm
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Our last seven league goals have been scored by seven different players.
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The thing is, it’s such fine margins at the moment. Even the Fleetwood game. It’s not as if we are getting totally steamrollered or outplayed. I’m much happier this season than last. We have a good manager and owners who are willing to invest wisely and who are patient.
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We play 3 forwards and to much pressure is put on JM yes other players are scoring but how many are we missing. Goals counts not attempts, convert your attempts win games simple.
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All this arguing look at it this way, IT IS NOT WHERE WE START OR WHERE WE ARE NOW, ITS WHERE WE FINNISH SO JUST STOP ALL THE HOSTILITY AND WAIT AND SEE and try and enjoy the ride for god's sake
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Well said Dave!!
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Well said your holyness, couldn't agree more !
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Thing is we've only won one of our last six league games so it's inevitable that questions will be asked.
Saying it's not where we are now it's where we finish only works in certain situations in favour of the team. For instance, if we had only lost one of our last six league games and someone said "it's not where we are now it's where we finish", he would be condemned as a whinging bugger even when we're on form!
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I'd say though that the performances on the whole are pretty good. That's the main thing. Reminds me of under sod. We lost and drew some games we shouldn't have then but it came good. I think it will again here.
I do think we can improve the squad. I'd probably like to see another forward brought in.
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If we carry on our PPG till the end of the season we will finish on 71 points which would be in or close to the play offs.
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If we carry on our PPG till the end of the season we will finish on 71 points which would be in or close to the play offs.
On season form yes. On recent form no.
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If we’d continued the form we had Under fergies first 16 games we’d have made the playoffs but we got relegated
I think we’ve a far better side than then though, think we just need a right back and another striker
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I'm not sure it's only a new right-back we need. The left-back position is also vulnerable, possibly more so considering opponents seem to exploit that side of our defence.
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We play 3 forwards and to much pressure is put on JM yes other players are scoring but how many are we missing. Goals counts not attempts, convert your attempts win games simple.
It a false to say we play with 3 forwards , we play with 3 up front . We only have 1 forward the rest are just a support
Act that don’t do enough supporting.
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I'm not sure it's only a new right-back we need. The left-back position is also vulnerable, possibly more so considering opponents seem to exploit that side of our defence.
We have 3 left backs though.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
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We could sign Messi on a free at the end of his Barcelona contract and some of our fans would moan we waited until there was no transfer fee involved.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I’m not wanting an argument regarding this but the article in the free press gavin did, states the club will look at releasing funds above and beyond the budget of McCann can provide a suitable case for it. And gives example of the whiteman signing as proof that they’ve done this before.
It doesn’t read that there is existing money available in the budget to spend this January.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I’m not wanting an argument regarding this but the article in the free press gavin did, states the club will look at releasing funds above and beyond the budget of McCann can provide a suitable case for it. And gives example of the whiteman signing as proof that they’ve done this before.
It doesn’t read that there is existing money available in the budget to spend this January.
It might not read that way, but there is existing money. It was mentioned at the start of the season and nothings changed.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I’m not wanting an argument regarding this but the article in the free press gavin did, states the club will look at releasing funds above and beyond the budget of McCann can provide a suitable case for it. And gives example of the whiteman signing as proof that they’ve done this before.
It doesn’t read that there is existing money available in the budget to spend this January.
Wrong. Have another go.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I’m not wanting an argument regarding this but the article in the free press gavin did, states the club will look at releasing funds above and beyond the budget of McCann can provide a suitable case for it. And gives example of the whiteman signing as proof that they’ve done this before.
It doesn’t read that there is existing money available in the budget to spend this January.
lol dickos
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I’m not wanting an argument regarding this but the article in the free press gavin did, states the club will look at releasing funds above and beyond the budget of McCann can provide a suitable case for it. And gives example of the whiteman signing as proof that they’ve done this before.
It doesn’t read that there is existing money available in the budget to spend this January.
Wrong. Have another go.
Have another go at what?
You’re a bit odd
Read it yourself
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-board-open-to-extra-player-investment-1-9412954
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Goblike I understand your name is well chosen but your words are not .
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Oh sorry Godlike not Goblike. ! I just did not realise YOU had the words to make us all rejoice.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I don't think many are blaming GM for not rushing into the transfer market and giving the players already here a chance. I'm certainly not. I do think it might be time for him to act on his conclusion though.
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I think he'll struggle to do so outside the transfer window to be honest.
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I think he'll struggle to do so outside the transfer window to be honest.
Who's suggesting he should try to sign players outside the transfer window?
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
it might be time for him to act on his conclusion though.
That sounds like it.
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That sounds like what?
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
Great post SM it’s a pity some can’t see the big picture.
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Though the results are not going our way at the moment, I’m sure we will turn things around soon...
this to me is a “ development “ season, where we get a squad of players to work with new style that will be implemented or rolled out next year...
I think the fact that the current squad have grabbed this by the lapels is in itself a great achievement...and perhaps set a bar too high to maintain...
The NEW manager is STILL BUILDING
The SQUAD are STILL LEARNING
The RESULTS are proof of our achievement so far
and the football by all accounts is GREAT when it clicks..
We are still learning and evolving.......
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Isn't it amusing that the same old faces only ever post when the results doesn't go our way. What cheerful lives they must lead!
Nope I post lots of positive things on here about the club as well so that comment just shows how blinkered you are
Sorry, did I mention any names?
You know what you were doing
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Sadlike1
Erm at what point have I ever attacked or criticised a fellow contributed to the forum. Fine comment on what I have put but start making comments at my expense and nit even in relation to my topic of conversation and I will take serious offence to that
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?
My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.
I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?
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Oh sorry Godlike not Goblike. ! I just did not realise YOU had the words to make us all rejoice.
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Oh I'm sorry you dont like someone voicing their opinions and views on. An open forum set up for that exact reason. If you don't like it don't read it.
The lack of intelligent responses or debate over this is mind blowing only dickos and sm have the decency of a decent discussion over it. I'm wondering if the rest of you are Leeds fans in disguise.
Your certainly showing the same lack of intelligence as them
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Nobody on here I am sure objects to criticism but what we want to hear is constructive criticism.
Some of the comments made on here are totally without substance or any credible thought.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?
My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.
I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?
1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.
2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?
My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.
I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?
1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.
2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?
Nope. I'm just trying to get my head around the line that keeps getting repeated time after time about a budget that's in the top 6-7 in the league. That's what got me thinking about the scenario over DF.
If there's no transfer budget to supplement the playing budget then I struggle to see how we can improve year on year. Hence why we still have Coops being one of, if not the best player on our books and no one looking remotely close to being as gòod
We don't get the players coming through or give them a chance so we won't be making any extra money that way.
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There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.
He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.
The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.
I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?
My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.
I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?
1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.
2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?
Nope. I'm just trying to get my head around the line that keeps getting repeated time after time about a budget that's in the top 6-7 in the league. That's what got me thinking about the scenario over DF.
If there's no transfer budget to supplement the playing budget then I struggle to see how we can improve year on year. Hence why we still have Coops being one of, if not the best player on our books and no one looking remotely close to being as gòod
We don't get the players coming through or give them a chance so we won't be making any extra money that way.
With the best will in the world godlike, what you seem to be doing is arguing for a transfer budget, rather than showing much evidence for the lack of one. I doubt you’ll get many people (including the club) disagreeing with the need to bring players in as and when the manager chooses to.
As for Copps being the crux of proof that there’s no transfer budget, considering that he’s been here for over a decade, following your argument through would mean that not one of over half a dozen managers have had any transfer budget available to replace him, which seems unlikely. I’d hazard a guess he’s still playing on the basis of merit rather than financial expediency.
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
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That just shows how good he is then doesn’t it?
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.
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Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.
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It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...
So here goes with an equally pointless debate!
“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”
Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !
Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....
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It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...
So here goes with an equally pointless debate!
“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”
Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !
Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....
Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.
I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.
I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.
He doesn't, but he's clearly hinting that the reason he hasn't been replaced is because of money.
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Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.
Get your head out of the club's backside. it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off
Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example
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It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...
So here goes with an equally pointless debate!
“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”
Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !
Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....
Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.
It seems you will be happy with league 1 and 2 football for the foreseeable.future then. Which is fine and I have no issue with that and yes I will still.go and support the team and club no matter what league we are in.
I am an ambitious person and want and wish the club to continue to push for the best, not just accept that we are where we are as we will get left behind
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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.
I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.
He doesn't, but he's clearly hinting that the reason he hasn't been replaced is because of money.
I read it as he’s saying we’ve never signed anyone of a similar level to copps. Not to replace him but to have players in the side of a similar standard
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Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.
Get your head out of the club's backside. it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off
Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example
You've repeatedly been told there is a kitty, what more do you want? Jesus wept, they're hardly going to tell you what it is are they.
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Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.
Get your head out of the club's backside. it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off
Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example
You've repeatedly been told there is a kitty, what more do you want? Jesus wept, they're hardly going to tell you what it is are they.
No they don't. They say we have a budget that's the 8th biggest in the league. They add that they will supplement it if really needed or justified.
That last bits fine but it says to me that there is no initial transfer kitty, just a playing budget to manage. Then in an emergency the board will give funds if really pushed e.g. we have no for defenders
I keep saying I don't want to know what the value of the kitty is, I've never asked that question once.
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Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?
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Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?
Erm do I really need to answer that last statement?
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Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?
Erm do I really need to answer that last statement?
So you want the club to splash transfer fees about solely to satisfy people who think that we need to go splashing transfer fees about otherwise we're shit and the club don't care and are doing it on the cheap.
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If we have two budgets (transfer budget and wages budget) these players we will be bringing in on transfer - will their wages come from the wages budget or the transfer budget?
Just asking for a friend like....
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I wouldn’t say splash cash we haven’t got but we certainly do everything on the cheap... almost every player over the last 12 month as been injury prone or similar..... sometimes it needs a bit of quality but that costs and the owners certainly won’t go over 100k I reckon..
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It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...
So here goes with an equally pointless debate!
“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”
Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !
Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....
Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.
It seems you will be happy with league 1 and 2 football for the foreseeable.future then. Which is fine and I have no issue with that and yes I will still.go and support the team and club no matter what league we are in.
I am an ambitious person and want and wish the club to continue to push for the best, not just accept that we are where we are as we will get left behind
I believe that your ambitions like many others are of no consequence to the success of the club,
We are a small catchment area club with generous benefactors,
our crowds are small and our ability to generate funds is probably a bare minimum, ..... so !
Perhaps a reality check is needed...
You nor I can change the prospects of Doncaster Rovers
We can marvel at the more than occasional passages of play..
We can get frustrated at the losses mounting up, and we can try to apportion blame where we deem it to lay
But at the end of the day, we have ABSOLUTELY no control over any aspect of our clubs future...all we can do is analyse, applaud and occasionally bitch about the impotence we feel as supporters...
Or just enjoy every victory, and hurt with every defeat like real supporters that we are....
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Surely we have one playing budget and within that is incorporated all of the squad's wages and then money for transfers? I don't see why the two would really be separate.
Too much obsession with budgets, it's not what's important in football. People moaned we didn't spend enough in the summer, but we're doing alright aren't we? I'd have taken 8th by November in a heartbeat if you'd offered it to me in July.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't our benefactors raise our ambitions by declaring an intention of Championship football in the next couple of years?
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I wouldn’t say splash cash we haven’t got but we certainly do everything on the cheap... almost every player over the last 12 month as been injury prone or similar..... sometimes it needs a bit of quality but that costs and the owners certainly won’t go over 100k I reckon..
Key words.
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Surely we have one playing budget and within that is incorporated all of the squad's wages and then money for transfers? I don't see why the two would really be separate.
Too much obsession with budgets, it's not what's important in football. People moaned we didn't spend enough in the summer, but we're doing alright aren't we? I'd have taken 8th by November in a heartbeat if you'd offered it to me in July.
I think that's any sane persons take on it, it's one big pot.
Say the budgets £3million.
Our average player is on £2,200 a week, over a year for 23 players that will come to £2,631,200 in wages.
That leaves the remaining £368,300 to be used for transfer fees, agent costs, signing on fees, bonuses, etc.
If we wish to sign one player who would be fairly cheap to bring in but massive on wages it'll leave us less left over in the kitty and vice versa if we spent loads in transfer fees we'd have less for wages available.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't our benefactors raise our ambitions by declaring an intention of Championship football in the next couple of years?
And what has changed ?
We are doing very well with the team as a whole, “ splashing the cash” may not be the answer at this stage, so the risk of destabilising what we have achieved thus far would seem a little risky...
If this is a transition year for the board to see what can be achieved with “ good player management” , I would think they are looking to next year
( which incidentally would be in line with their forecast)
To invest in the Right players to fill the short-comings identified by this seasons progress...or of course failures...
All in all it doesn’t matter what was said at chairman level regarding funds, we are doing very well with what has been spent so far..
and I’m sure they are in regular contact with the Manager with a view to how to push on , if not this season then next..!
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It seems every year is a transitional year
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It seems every year is a transitional year
I guess when you have a new manager it has to be - look at the first season under SOD, we didn't really kick onwards.
Upwards progress from last year and a top 10 finish is a good season for us this year IMO. The big problem is keeping Marquis and Wright in the summer if we don't get promoted. Equally a sale of Marquis may allow investment through the squad. But there is a long time to go yet.
We have more chance of giving the Championship a proper battle if we build a little more slowly.
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The last sentence is key, BFYP. When we won the play offs in 2008 we had a more or less Championship-ready squad. Hand on heart, could anyone say that about the current squad?
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It seems every year is a transitional year
At last!.....you get it
Every year since the beginning of time is in effect a year of transition, hence we evolve....these players we have are Evolving, this new manager is Evolving,
The only thing that remains the same is the latest jibe about the Budget and nameless players we should be buying in the next window.....
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The last sentence is key, BFYP. When we won the play offs in 2008 we had a more or less Championship-ready squad. Hand on heart, could anyone say that about the current squad?
Did we really? Or was it more a case that the players adapted, stepped up and proved they were good enough - it's not like we were a squad of players with Championship experience, in fact the vast majority had no experience at that level. The one thing I would say for that side/squad is that they had been playing together, under SOD and his systems, for almost two seasons which was no doubt beneficial.
2007-08 League One Squad:
Sullivan - yep, fair enough
Taylor - plenty of experience but would have been difficult to argue that at that stage of his career he was good enough to play at that level
Stock - not deemed good enough by Preston
Gareth Roberts - possibly played there with Tranmere
Greer - SPL experience
O'Connor, Hird, Lockwood, Stephen Roberts, McDaid, Green, Wellens, Coppinger, Price, McCammon, Guy, Heffernan, Hayter, Ben Smith, Wilson, Mills (except maybe the odd loan appearance for the last 2?) - no Championship experience
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't our benefactors raise our ambitions by declaring an intention of Championship football in the next couple of years?
And what has changed ?
We are doing very well with the team as a whole, “ splashing the cash” may not be the answer at this stage, so the risk of destabilising what we have achieved thus far would seem a little risky...
If this is a transition year for the board to see what can be achieved with “ good player management” , I would think they are looking to next year
( which incidentally would be in line with their forecast)
To invest in the Right players to fill the short-comings identified by this seasons progress...or of course failures...
All in all it doesn’t matter what was said at chairman level regarding funds, we are doing very well with what has been spent so far..
and I’m sure they are in regular contact with the Manager with a view to how to push on , if not this season then next..!
If they're looking to next season, then why have they given GM a remit of a top 6 finish this season?; if that's their expectations, then surely we're bound to expect the same.
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Can't wait for us to finish 9th and have everyone moan even though it'd be a marked improvement on last season.
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I wouldn’t say splash cash we haven’t got but we certainly do everything on the cheap... almost every player over the last 12 month as been injury prone or similar..... sometimes it needs a bit of quality but that costs and the owners certainly won’t go over 100k I reckon..
Whiteman cost over 150k didn’t he?
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Still top 6 finish for me always has been
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't our benefactors raise our ambitions by declaring an intention of Championship football in the next couple of years?
And what has changed ?
We are doing very well with the team as a whole, “ splashing the cash” may not be the answer at this stage, so the risk of destabilising what we have achieved thus far would seem a little risky...
If this is a transition year for the board to see what can be achieved with “ good player management” , I would think they are looking to next year
( which incidentally would be in line with their forecast)
To invest in the Right players to fill the short-comings identified by this seasons progress...or of course failures...
All in all it doesn’t matter what was said at chairman level regarding funds, we are doing very well with what has been spent so far..
and I’m sure they are in regular contact with the Manager with a view to how to push on , if not this season then next..!
If they're looking to next season, then why have they given GM a remit of a top 6 finish this season?; if that's their expectations, then surely we're bound to expect the same.
I would imagine that the board would like , perhaps desire a top six finish this year as would we all, ...however I think nearly every board says that to their managers...it wouldn’t be prudent to say “ a mid table finish is ok”
However to get back on track...
I think personally we are capable of a top six finish based upon how we are playing.... don’t forget this is still a fledgling system that is being tried out...and we will get better at it the more we play it....
Yes it has its flaws, all systems do...but this one I feel will be played better after Xmas, and hopefully we are still in a good position to make a strike for it.....
My opinion of course