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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on November 11, 2018, 05:41:43 pm
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Not a competition to get everyone interested, but to my mind has become one of the most important games of the season up to press.
The last thing I would do is trust our fringe players to go into this game and keep our season alive. Yes I am aware that we are still in the FA cup just,and be honest, would you put your house on us winning the replay,and if we do getting to the 3rd round. every team left in the competition is capable of beating us on the day.
Whatever Grant thinks is his strongest side, I want him to pick it.
Lots to discuss, What would you do?
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Need to win to get confidence back up whoever gets picked need to win no matter what
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The manager and his team have to be under pressure and if they're not, why not?
Not doing it for me and there must be one or two on the Board that will be feeling a tad uncomfortable. This season is rapidly going down the pan, I'm afraid.
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I am still convinced that even with recent form he is an improvement on the last guy. However what do they do on the training ground all week? Yet another soft as shite goal from a corner. Different keeper, same powderpuff defending. How hard can it be with two big lumps like Butler and Anderson to get a head on a ball?
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CbCb, when their player scored with the header, my mate said look at the runofnumber eight, my eyes were on Lawlor, and as he made contact with the header, Lawlor was busy wrestling wit one of their players on the line, not even watching the cross.
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Was it butler or Anderson he beat in the air?
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It was Marquis
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Keeper yet again on their line from set piece - has the penny still not dropped?
Thick as pig sh1t, the lot of 'em.
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Just been sniffing around and noticed the other match in this group
grimsby v Newcastle is Tuesday night somehow Grimsby put 3 past mk yesterday
meaning from a point of view of qualifying for this "U turn " competition (meaning as we progress our views on it obviously do a u turn)
both Notts (if they even have a chance) & Rovers will know exactly what they have to do to qualify & Rovers team might be selected accordingly :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Everybody in donny knew we were lightweight at the start of the season, due to the clubs reluctance to spend money, we all said there’s no strength in depth and it’s clear we’re 5-6 short with to many players clearly not good enough... also gm seems not to have a plan b... it’s the same gung ho style and formation every game, we get over run time and time again in midfield, he needs to shake it up and quick
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It was Marquis
It was Marquis but he was Wilks' man, Wilks just let him go and he had the run on a stationary Marquis so I'd say it's more Mallik's fault. Either way we as a team just simply cannot stop conceding from corners and it isn't good enough.
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It was Marquis
It was Marquis but he was Wilks' man, Wilks just let him go and he had the run on a stationary Marquis so I'd say it's more Mallik's fault. Either way we as a team just simply cannot stop conceding from corners and it isn't good enough.
Correct about the scorer getting away from Wilks.
He had a free run at the ball and Marquis tried a last ditch jump to stop him.
No blame on Butler or Anderson.
As for Lawlor, did he have any option other than wrestle with a player on the line?
If he was being held there isn’t a lot he can do about it.
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Not a competition to get everyone interested, but to my mind has become one of the most important games of the season up to press.
The last thing I would do is trust our fringe players to go into this game and keep our season alive. Yes I am aware that we are still in the FA cup just,and be honest, would you put your house on us winning the replay,and if we do getting to the 3rd round. every team left in the competition is capable of beating us on the day.
Whatever Grant thinks is his strongest side, I want him to pick it.
Lots to discuss, What would you do?
It's the league that will keep our season alive, not some tinpot reserve competition that's watched by 1500 people.
The big game coming up is Wimbledon at home; lose that and the alarm bells will be ringing.
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Hound, he is about 6ft 4ins, and gets stuck on his line regularly, I was brought up when 5FT 10 ins goalkeepers cleared the lot, and you were.
He does not come for a catch, and does not always watch the ball kicked by the player taking the corner. for a big lad he is poor, their goalkeeper claimed coppingers corner into the same area minutes later, chalk and cheese.
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Scawsby, every competitive game this club plays is important to me. I want us to be as good as we can be, and the monetary rewards in both these cup competitions can go a long way to the club being able to bring in players that can drive the club forward.
We all know how hard even playing well, and attractive football it has been to attract more support to watch games, and how easily we lose paying customers when we have a bad run of results.
Over the years we have thrown considerable amounts of money away playing weakend sides, and losing to lesser opposition. I would cut training this week to the minimum required, and play my strongest team in both cup competitions and league games. It is a tinpot reserve competition because we have helped to make it that.
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Can't agree Selby, get them in training everyday and work on set pieces lll
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Minimum meaning as in physically BPR. agree about set pieces,starting to watch the ball, attacking it, and getting to it first would be a start.
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Not a competition to get everyone interested, but to my mind has become one of the most important games of the season up to press.
The last thing I would do is trust our fringe players to go into this game and keep our season alive. Yes I am aware that we are still in the FA cup just,and be honest, would you put your house on us winning the replay,and if we do getting to the 3rd round. every team left in the competition is capable of beating us on the day.
Whatever Grant thinks is his strongest side, I want him to pick it.
Lots to discuss, What would you do?
I think I would put my House on us winning the replay v Chorley. They were out on their feet , overweight in a lot of cases and cynical as hell. With a Ref even slightly netter then todays they will not get away with what they did today
I would have to wait and see whether we can progress in the Tip Pot Cuo before deciding what Team to choose because if by a freak GTFC beat NUFC by a big score (which they really wont) it would leave us and NCFC out so it would be wise to pick me and thee and Hound instead of risking any current squad Players
If we can qualify we should go for it picking the strongest Team available and MAKE the current Team start a winning run - and importantly include splattering Chorley out of sight - and whoever we get in Round 2 - before getting some serious brass in Round 3.
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This game has now gained in importance to the club after getting a hard draw in the FA cup whether Mansfield or Charlton
I agree with Wolfie, if picking a strong lineup is needed after the Grimsby game tonight, and knowing what we have to do, then we should do it, and get the job done
However if Grant is confident and picks a side full of fringe players, then they should be aware they would be playing to prove they are good enough to have a future at the Rovers.
We will be playing a not that strong division 2 side whatever team they put out, and if their manager fields an experimental or young side, as most seem to do, with good money in prize money available then anything but a good result will not be acceptable to me, and I hope to the management team.
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It was Marquis
It was Marquis but he was Wilks' man, Wilks just let him go and he had the run on a stationary Marquis so I'd say it's more Mallik's fault. Either way we as a team just simply cannot stop conceding from corners and it isn't good enough.
The guy who scored made a late run from a long way back.
Someone should have been more aware of him but it should be the centre halves orgainisng everyone or the goalkeeper.
In my opinion lawlor shouldn’t be trying to come for that it, too far for him to come out,
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The good thing is (and its a bit off topic) The Trent Navigation Pub is nearby which is home to Navigation Brewery and they will have 4 of their Beers to go at
Also looks to do good food but probably not enough time for the food lol !
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It was Marquis
It was Marquis but he was Wilks' man, Wilks just let him go and he had the run on a stationary Marquis so I'd say it's more Mallik's fault. Either way we as a team just simply cannot stop conceding from corners and it isn't good enough.
The guy who scored made a late run from a long way back.
Someone should have been more aware of him but it should be the centre halves orgainisng everyone or the goalkeeper.
In my opinion lawlor shouldn’t be trying to come for that it, too far for him to come out,
Both keepers whether Lawlor or Marosi don’t come off their lines do not organise the defence. They’ve never been different under the goal keeping coach and the same under two managers DF and GM. Needs sorting.
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Someone said our GK Coach was the Keeper at Everton when Paulo di Canio caught the Ball that time - in a huge sporting gesture a few should be copying !
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Put out the youth team and save face .
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Why 1969? please explain your statement, I am sure it would be interesting, Have you given up already?
Wolfie see you in the pub, we go there every time the Rovers play there.
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Why 1969? please explain your statement, I am sure it would be interesting, Have you given up already?
Wolfie see you in the pub, we go there every time the Rovers play there.
I would have fancied the 2 for a Tenner or 2 for Twelve deals but I reckon Coach wont get there till after 7 ?
Time for 2 Beers - though. Might even buy you one ! Just splashed out on 9 Bingo Dabbers for PM !
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We travel on the serene over 65's bus run by Higgy(the travel club). Too many numbers on a card for us, so no dabbers required, just walking sticks.
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Grimsby 1-0 Newcastle U21
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# Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
1 Newcast U21 2 2 0 0 5 1 4 6
2 Doncaster Rrs 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
3 Grimsby Town 2 1 0 1 2 3 -1 3
4 Notts County 2 0 0 2 1 4 -3 0
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1-1 19m
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1-1 now we just need to match Grimsbys result unless they sum how win by 3 then we would need to win by 2
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Could do with NUFC winning this by at least 3-1 - or 4-1 then we could lose and progress
Thats a bad way (defensive) way of looking at things I know and I really hope we just go for it and hammer NCFC and progress !
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1-1 now we just need to match Grimsbys result unless they sum how win by 3 then we would need to win by 2
How about Notts County if GTFC lose and County beat us - still possible I guess but their Forum Members hope they get knocked out as staying up is their priority (they say)
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1-2 newcastle
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1-1 now we just need to match Grimsbys result unless they sum how win by 3 then we would need to win by 2
How about Notts County if GTFC lose and County beat us - still possible I guess but their Forum Members hope they get knocked out as staying up is their priority (they say)
If Newcastle win we can lose by 1 and would still go through
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2-2
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2-3 😁
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So we can lose 1-0 and still qualify , I think.
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Gives us a chance to lose by the odd Goal - even 5-4 - and go through. We cant though (I think) lose by 2 Goals - 2-0 or 3-1 for example - County go through with Goal Diff -1 to our -2 and GTFC -2
We can play a half and half Team I reckon and reading their Forum they are pessimistic on the whole but the only mention of Checkatrade is they hope they get out of it tomorrow
Still 1-3 or 2-3 for me !
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We are overdue a surprise, a clean sheet 0-2
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Gives us a chance to lose by the odd Goal - even 5-4 - and go through. We cant though (I think) lose by 2 Goals - 2-0 or 3-1 for example - County go through with Goal Diff -1 to our -2 and GTFC -2
We can play a half and half Team I reckon and reading their Forum they are pessimistic on the whole but the only mention of Checkatrade is they hope they get out of it tomorrow
Still 1-3 or 2-3 for me !
Is that a 1-3 or 2-3 defeat or are you showing our score last because it is an away game.
I can never understand why anyone would show a 1-3 scoreline as a win.
You wouldn’t say we won 0-2 or 1-3 so why write it?
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What would happen to the group table if we drew at 90 minutes but then lost on pens?
Could a bonus point with a pen shootout win make a difference to Notts County.
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Oh thats a superb question. Ive gone from celebrating to back in the Pit of Gloom :suicide:
EDIT Phew - Just looked at Table if we draw we would have 4 Points - Grimsby 3 and County 1 + plus one for the Shootout for them would =2
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I've only just realised we are playing the 'Magpies' for the second time in 4 days.
Is it 'one for sorrow, two for joy'?
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Oh thats a superb question. Ive gone from celebrating to back in the Pit of Gloom :suicide:
EDIT Phew - Just looked at Table if we draw we would have 4 Points - Grimsby 3 and County 1 + plus one for the Shootout for them would =2
Yep, I had a look as well and just came on to write what your edit says.
Back into happy land then DW.
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Yes - I was frantic for a second there
Big Q now of course - what Team do we turn out ? Do we want to progress more that they do ? Their Forum is really anti this Comp as they want to prioritise on staying up !
That could help us in what could become a Champions League type game - losing 2-0 but knowing 1 Goal will get you through or winning 2-0 knowing with 10 minutes left you go through unless you concede 4 before Full Time.
Cant wait (although the Pre Match Pub is uppermost in my mind) - definetely worth a Fiver - but I'm sure County wont see it that way !
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We must go out to win tonight regardless of what fans think about the competition..
As well as being a cup we can realistically win, it gives fringe and young players game time in senior football without risking league points..
The club, as a whole, could do with a big W in the fixtures/results column..
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I don't like this competition full stop,yet again the whole purpose of what the competition is for was undermined last night when West Brom u21's featured Gareth Barry at 37 years old..
That said I want us to win to try and get a bit of confidence back and remind them of the winning feeling again..So I would play a decent team..
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U-whatever has always allowed a certain amount of over age players..
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If Barry was the only over age player( I don't know if he was) and the rest of the team were genuine youngsters, I can see the advantage of having a player like him in the team, passing on his experience during the game, and have no problem with it.
More than one or two and that would start to take the biscuit.
Also youngsters playing against players like that can learn a lot about the game, at the higher level
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I disagree this is a must win game. There's more money in the FA Cup and the League is obviously most important. We've got 2 more games after tonight in the space of 6 days and key players should be rested IMO
This season is rapidly going down the pan, I'm afraid.
We're 3 points from the top 6 and only 10 points from automatic. It can easily be turned around. Let's not panic.
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I disagree this is a must win game. There's more money in the FA Cup and the League is obviously most important. We've got 2 more games after tonight in the space of 6 days and key players should be rested IMO
This season is rapidly going down the pan, I'm afraid.
We're 3 points from the top 6 and only 10 points from automatic. It can easily be turned around. Let's not panic.
At last a post of common sense. We've suffered enough from injuries and suspensions in the last few weeks, especially with such a small squad. Why risk more for the least important game in a run of 3 matches in 7 days?.
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very weak team out
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Lawlor
Cummings Anderson Blaney Amos
Blair Anderson Crawford
Beestin May Longbottom
Jones. Mason. Andrew Prior Ben Khemis Wilks Morris
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Interested to see how Longbottom and Blaney get on, from anyone going.
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Interesting line up. Good luck to the youngsters!
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Interesting line up. Good luck to the youngsters!
It’s the best second string line up we’ve got without Taylor. GM will see more of them tonight.
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It is time the manager was made to disclose the team the day before a game so supporters like me can decide whether a game is worth going to.
That was embarrassing, that is the only way to describe it.I don't think that Anderson J was at all bothered about playing football at all, and Cummings looked like he never had before.
Yet again the fringe players proved they are not in any way going to put any pressure on the first team apart from Crawford, who at times looked the only class player we had.
The funniest moment was when a steward caught the ball in the second tier of the main stand as easy as pie, just after Lawlor, who let four goals in and never made a save in the game had dropped two easy lobs into the area.
The manager and the team let every supporter that travelled to the game down with that performance and strength of selections. while teams like us pick teams made up of juniors and second team players, how can we turn around and criticize the U21's teams in the competition. And who are the losers, us watching that tripe dished up, and the owners who have had thousands of pounds tossed away like a used Johny. Because some of those players are just not good enough to play at league standard.
I stand by my statement, we have better players playing out on loan for other clubs than we have here this season.
And it is so predictable, most knew when the team was announced they are not good enough and leaves me questioning for the first time in my life whether to go to any matches in future in this competition, it's not funny, throwing money away like this club does, and supporters paying out to watch tripe.
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It is time the manager was made to disclose the team the day before a game so supporters like me can decide whether a game is worth going to.
One of the most ridiculous things I've read on here.
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It is time the manager was made to disclose the team the day before a game so supporters like me can decide whether a game is worth going to.
That was embarrassing, that is the only way to describe it.I don't think that Anderson J was at all bothered about playing football at all, and Cummings looked like he never had before.
Yet again the fringe players proved they are not in any way going to put any pressure on the first team apart from Crawford, who at times looked the only class player we had.
The funniest moment was when a steward caught the ball in the second tier of the main stand as easy as pie, just after Lawlor, who let four goals in and never made a save in the game had dropped two easy lobs into the area.
The manager and the team let every supporter that travelled to the game down with that performance and strength of selections. while teams like us pick teams made up of juniors and second team players, how can we turn around and criticize the U21's teams in the competition. And who are the losers, us watching that tripe dished up, and the owners who have had thousands of pounds tossed away like a used Johny. Because some of those players are just not good enough to play at league standard.
I stand by my statement, we have better players playing out on loan for other clubs than we have here this season.
And it is so predictable, most knew when the team was announced they are not good enough and leaves me questioning for the first time in my life whether to go to any matches in future in this competition, it's not funny, throwing money away like this club does, and supporters paying out to watch tripe.
Come on Brian, you know managers can't alert the opposition as to what team they'll be playing against.
As regards you being disappointed that we turned the reserves out, how many times do you need telling that this tinpot cup is a reserve team competition?; and as for Mandeville and McCullough, they need clearing out in the summer with the rest of the dead wood that this squad's carrying at the moment.
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GM said at the beginning of his tenure he wanted to win this cup, he wanted to take the team to Wembley. You like others don’t believe in this cup but he said he did. Selby (Brian) believed the manager would put out a team that would win the game. If he has manager believed that side would win the game then his decision making is flawed. He should have realised by now the squad we have is not strong. So yes he and the team let down supporters who traveled down as well as the club. I know the season is not over yet but GM and CB come out with all the excuses instead of putting them right. Praising the team for showing fight in the second half having thrown away the game in the first half via poor team selection and defending.
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It is time the manager was made to disclose the team the day before a game so supporters like me can decide whether a game is worth going to.
That was embarrassing, that is the only way to describe it.I don't think that Anderson J was at all bothered about playing football at all, and Cummings looked like he never had before.
Yet again the fringe players proved they are not in any way going to put any pressure on the first team apart from Crawford, who at times looked the only class player we had.
The funniest moment was when a steward caught the ball in the second tier of the main stand as easy as pie, just after Lawlor, who let four goals in and never made a save in the game had dropped two easy lobs into the area.
The manager and the team let every supporter that travelled to the game down with that performance and strength of selections. while teams like us pick teams made up of juniors and second team players, how can we turn around and criticize the U21's teams in the competition. And who are the losers, us watching that tripe dished up, and the owners who have had thousands of pounds tossed away like a used Johny. Because some of those players are just not good enough to play at league standard.
I stand by my statement, we have better players playing out on loan for other clubs than we have here this season.
And it is so predictable, most knew when the team was announced they are not good enough and leaves me questioning for the first time in my life whether to go to any matches in future in this competition, it's not funny, throwing money away like this club does, and supporters paying out to watch tripe.
You seem to have omitted the player that scored the two goals from the players that impressed.
If Mandeville had scored two against notts county this forum would have gone into meltdown
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Dickos I missed him out on purpose because he was one of the few, with Crawford, And Wilks who were of the standard we required.
He missed quite a few chances, Wilks showed in the second half he is the more dangerous player, and was really the player who turned the game around, and was responsible for setting up both Mays goals, winning a header in the box, and a chip to the far post for the other, and was very unlucky not to score himself with two pile drivers after runs with the ball at the defence which the goalkeeper did well to stop.
Anderson J did not want to be there, and looked to be pulling out of things so as not to get hurt. Cummings looked lost, the goalkeeper a bag of nerves, and dropped the easiest of crosses which the crowd, few as they were laughed at., Blair looked what he is, not a midfield player, Amos got better in the second half, but along with Cummings left the central defenders with the full width of the field at the back to try and defend, and basically gave them no chance in the first half. Beestin was not in the game at all until late in the game along with Longbottom and looked
way off league standard footballers.
Amos got better in the second half, and wants to show Mason how to put a good ball into the box.
May, Crawford and Wilks, they are the only ones to come out with any credit, and three players are not going to win you a football game. T Anderson, Amos, Blair, Mason, Blaney, did Okish, Anderson and Blaney being let down badly by players in front of them and the full backs in the first half. All the rest I would not lose any sleep if I never saw them play for the Rovers again, they are not good enough to on that showing, and certainly let the travelling fans down, wasting time and money to support them.
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I like your honesty, Selby, and I can sympathise as I was in the same place some games ago and now I am resigned to expect the worst. For the life of me, I can't see what this manager is doing to improve us and I've nailed my colours to the mast.
I wouldn't trust him with my money so why would I trust him with the Board's? The CEO went on record recently to say 'we are ahead of the game'. Let's hope he has a few aces up his sleeve, but regretfully it probably will not involve getting rid of this management team.
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It is time the manager was made to disclose the team the day before a game so supporters like me can decide whether a game is worth going to.
That was embarrassing, that is the only way to describe it.I don't think that Anderson J was at all bothered about playing football at all, and Cummings looked like he never had before.
Yet again the fringe players proved they are not in any way going to put any pressure on the first team apart from Crawford, who at times looked the only class player we had.
The funniest moment was when a steward caught the ball in the second tier of the main stand as easy as pie, just after Lawlor, who let four goals in and never made a save in the game had dropped two easy lobs into the area.
The manager and the team let every supporter that travelled to the game down with that performance and strength of selections. while teams like us pick teams made up of juniors and second team players, how can we turn around and criticize the U21's teams in the competition. And who are the losers, us watching that tripe dished up, and the owners who have had thousands of pounds tossed away like a used Johny. Because some of those players are just not good enough to play at league standard.
I stand by my statement, we have better players playing out on loan for other clubs than we have here this season.
And it is so predictable, most knew when the team was announced they are not good enough and leaves me questioning for the first time in my life whether to go to any matches in future in this competition, it's not funny, throwing money away like this club does, and supporters paying out to watch tripe.
You seem to have omitted the player that scored the two goals from the players that impressed.
If Mandeville had scored two against notts county this forum would have gone into meltdown
FLT goals only count when it's Liam Mandeville, we all know that.
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Wilks is the more dangerous player even when May scores 2 goals and Wilks scores 0. I've heard it all now.
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We are not learning anything we already didn't know in the Summer,it was just that GM thought they were better players than results and performances suggested..He was wrong..
We've got a pretty decent first 11 but how often do we get to play that??..Neither Anderson is good enough,and the less said about Lawlor the better..People were questioning Marko and wanted Lawlor to be given a chance..Well he's had it and he hasn't taken it...And what does Khemis have to do to get a starting chance???
I agree that we've got better players out on loan in Liam and Luke than we have here at the minute..I'm told that GM can give out a real Fergie type rollicking when he has to and I'm hoping that the reason he left it to Bryne to do post match was because he was fuming..We've took to many cheap options when it comes to player recruitment this last 18 months and we are paying for it..
We must have some decent budget left in January because we spent little on signing new players and if we haven't then we are vastly overpaying the ones we've got...
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I think Ben Khemis was due to him coming back from injury.
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RA, Wilks caused havoc in the Notts defence every time he had arun at them, nodded the ballmon for one of Alfies goals, and beat two men while being pulled back wide left of the box, hit the goal line and chipped to the far post where Alfie took the ball and hit a volley.
Great play from Wilks, and a good finish from Alfie. Those goals saved him from getting a lot of stick, after missing guilt edge chances, both before half time and near the end when he should have scored from 6 yards again.
Wilks changed the game, and was our best player, and proved with better selection, and more established first teamers we have the players here that could have got us through.
Where were you by the way, were you at the game? or filling the dish washer for mumsy, And don't forget according to you the goals don't count in this competition, well you didn't last year
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That's fine, Wilks can look dangerous and contribute but it just speaks VOLUMES about your personal vendetta against May that instead of praising him for scoring two goals you basically suggest it is all down to Wilks that he even scored them both. They still need finishing and we know our whole side has had a problem with that of late. Give him credit where it's due.
Also, this:
Where were you by the way, were you at the game? or filling the dish washer for mumsy,
Is unnecessary. I don't make it personal do I, I simply call out the footballing facts (or lack thereof). For the record, no I wasn't at the game because I still refuse to put any money into this joke competition. And May's goals in it are not as important as ones scored in the league, FA Cup or EFL Cup. He certainly hasn't done enough with his opportunity in those games this season and you won't find me saying otherwise.
I don't have a dishwasher, I do look after my mum since she's getting on a bit now, and I spent last night on a date at the cinema because it is a much more enjoyable experience than watching our second string play in a glorified reserve game.
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Did she have the last word?