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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on December 02, 2018, 02:48:46 pm
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
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Because we've not allowed him to be, since Peterborough didn't allow us to play Anderson.
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
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Is Anderson injured ?? He’s not been on the bench for a few weeks
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I can’t see how either would strengthen the squad imo
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would be FROZEN out here SO LET HIM GO LET HIM GO
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
How can you say Mandy is not good enough at this level. Where is the evidence to suggest that?
Also you can’t just assume McCullough will get another injury. He has been unlucky but has gone 20 games with Tranmere in the league without injury hasn’t he?
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I can’t see how either would strengthen the squad imo
Your opinion. So who out of Anderson, Ben Khemis, Beestin, Longbottom, and Kiwomya is better that those two.
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McCullough comes in if Whiteman gets injured or suspended.
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Anderson much better than LM
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McCullough comes in if Whiteman gets injured or suspended.
Agreed.
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Anderson much better than LM
What as a holding midfielders? Not in my opinion. Going forward with the ball yes but without it ;)
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I think it's likely McCullough will move on and if he's done OK then Tranmere is his likely destination.
With our squad evolving and improving then you'd hope better players would come in the replace McCullough, Mandeville, Khemis, Beestin and Kiwomya. Depending on how January fares, GM might resort to using McCullough as insurance.
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McCullough comes in if Whiteman gets injured or suspended.
A loan player comes in if Whiteman gets injured. I can’t see McCullough playing for us again imo
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How long is the loan jan or end of season
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When are people going to start looking forwards instead of backwards?. McCullough and Mandeville are yesterday's players. They're not good enough to improve the squad now, let alone after we bring in another 2 or 3 players in January.
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I'm in the DBR and Scawsby camp, wrt to both McCullough and Mandeville and possibly Kiwomya can be added to that list. Neither Beestin or Ben Khemis have done enough to convince the manager, so they could well go in May.
However, it really depends on how contract talks go with the other players, who we would like to hang on to. The next 2 transfer windows are going to be very interesting.
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When are people going to start looking forwards instead of backwards?. McCullough and Mandeville are yesterday's players. They're not good enough to improve the squad now, let alone after we bring in another 2 or 3 players in January.
Steve,
I have to agree to a certain extent that Mandy will not come back but to say he is not good enough for Donny or the 1st division I don't agree . I am hoping that he goes on to prove people wrong. On the whole most of the supporters on their forum think very highly of Mandy.
THere seems to be money problems at Morecambe and how that affects Mandy's loan period I just don't know.
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
How can you say Mandy is not good enough at this level. Where is the evidence to suggest that?
Also you can’t just assume McCullough will get another injury. He has been unlucky but has gone 20 games with Tranmere in the league without injury hasn’t he?
Camps, the evidence that Mandeville isn’t good enough for L1 is in the fact that he played his best games for us in L2 and didn’t produce the goods in L1 matches.
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Hound,
I am sure you would expect, I disagree with your view on Mandy.
How can you be so inflexible to form your opinion that Mandy is not good enough on seeing him play a long time ago.
Just how long is it since you last seen this 21 year kid play?
Over the years you have been in football have you never seen a lad improve over 18 months?
I maintain something went wrong for the kid at Donny, I know not what, but it did knock his confidence with a poor first loan period.
I am of the opinion that Mandy has improved over the last 20 months(ish) even though he is now being played out of position.
Personally I don't want to see him come back but to see him go on and prove himself in the 1st div.
To sum up, when it comes to Mandy, I think your opinion is out of date.
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I’d have McCullough and Mandeville back. Luke as cover for Whiteman and Mandeville as a bench warmer. If Wilks get convicted he will more than likely go to prison. We will need someone to replace him.
People keep saying Mandeville isn’t good enough. Wilks hasn’t been prolific. I know he’s not an out and out striker and he’s big and scares defenders but he’s missed loads
It’s a shame Mandeville can’t find his scoring boots
I think it’s also a shame that Kiwomya hasn’t found form at spiriettes
I think he started at weekend
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Hound, first of all I do not think or want Mandeville to come back to us, not because he is not good enough, but he would never be accepted by some supporters, and he is better off playing elsewhere.
But let's clear something up, the last half season he played here, in preseason at places like Guiseley he was the only forward apart from Marquis showing any form at all, and was getting good reviews after finishing the promotion season injured. Others did not look, and as the season went on proved not to be good enough, apart from Marquis.
The season started, and our midfield was devoid of any form at all, Marquis and Mandeville got no service at all, and after four or five games Mandeville paid the price of playing poorly. Fair enough.
Against Portsmouth he was asked to play as a loan striker when we had no other forward through injury and suspension I think. He scored early in the game and was lorded by the manager for playing in a position he (the manager) had said he thought he could not handle.
He was picked for the next game and substituted and disappeared for much of the rest of the season in the first team despite scoring quite regularly in the development side. He played in the Chekatrade Trophy games, was MOM against Grimsby and Rochdale scored in both games, which various people on here did not count, but for some mysterious reason count them this season, came on as a substitute against Scunthorpe in the FA cup and scored and played well, and his last appearance for us was a ten minute cameo against Rochdale a team we never looked like scoring against, With McGahey toying with our attack, and did more to worry them in that ten minutes, getting pulled down in the box after going past a couple of defenders, and was shipped out to Colchester the week after.
The rest is history, Colchester hardly won a game or
scored a goal until the end of the season which was no fault of Mandeville, as he was mysteriously hardly ever picked to play in a team not scoring at all. Meanwhile our season ended as the seasons before had, with us failing to score more than a handful of goals to the end of the season, none in the last six I think, and players still here who are waiting for their first league goal, or games in the first team in December this year.
As for McCullough, I bet if you look back at the last dozen games he played in MOM awards for them games on this forum, he gathered quite a few votes in the matches and even won a few, probably from the same supporters who think he can't get about the field, maybe someone could look at those results.
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Yep, definitely no fault of the player's that he wasn't doing enough to get into the team at Colchester eh. Funny how it's everyone but his fault that.
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RJ, football is a funny business, It has been stated our current manager watched every game recording of last season before his interview for the job here.
So it was accepted that when he got rid of both the players at the beginning of the season after four days and probably about a fortnight he knew what he was at.
He kept Ben Khemis, and Kiwomya who , one was pulled after about 15 minutes in on his debut and hardly featured, and another who was not fit to play all season, and watched others, who after Christmas last season apart from very few, of which one was McCullough showed relegation form to the end of the season.
In McCulloughs and Mandevilles case, I think they were the only two players other teams wanted out of the players we were willing to let go. McCullough going simply to get "Tayls" in, which has been an unmitigated success has it not.
Time will tell how their careers pan out, but I think they will both have one at league level, others we still have here I have my doubts.
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All well and good, but none of that is anything to do with Mandeville.
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As ever RJ, a well thought out informative Quip instead of an explanation.
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I think it is unfair to write Mandeville off as not good enough for this level. He only started 7 games for us last season. It remains to be seen, and he's doing well at Morecambe (certainly a lot better than his Colchester spell) so there may be a future for him here yet.
He and McCullough are two players I like, would be happy to have them back here but at the same time I won't lose any sleep if they are moved on in the summer.
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As ever RJ, a well thought out informative Quip instead of an explanation.
Well maybe if you'd told me anything that actually responded to what I said rather than resort to whatabouttery.
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I've looked for you, Selby. Here are McCullough's last 12 appearances for Rovers, followed by the number & percentage of votes polled in the MOTM vote on here. I've also put who was voted MOTM in each match (McCullough wasn't voted MOTM in a single one, let alone in a few)
Wigan (H) - 0 (0%) Amos/Butler
Oldham - 2 (18%) Amos
Blackburn - 0 (0%) Butler
Oxford - 0 (0%) Marquis
MK Dons - 0 (0%) Marosi
Gillingham - 1 (7%) Wright
Blackpool - 1 (4%) Coppinger
Bradford - 0 (0%) Marquis
Southend - 3 (30%) Coppinger
Fleetwood - 4 (14%) Mason
Walsall - 1 (14%) Coppinger
Charlton - 1 (5%) Beestin
So 13 votes across 12 matches. For what it's worth I'd have him here as a squad member, but a lot of the time he wouldn't even make the bench.
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Thanks Nick, but at least it shows that supporters DID think him MOM in seven of those twelve games, and in the last four games he played, and probably not me, as although I do participate, to my shame it is not that regularly.
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Wilks doesn't appear in court again until June or July, can't remember which, so we have several players ahead of Mandeville so there's no point bringing him back to benchwarm at best. Surely even Liam would rather be playing. If he was good enough then surely he wouldn't be playing 'out of position'. 3 league managers can't be that far wrong. Make that 4 if you include the Colchester manager.
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Thanks Nick, but at least it shows that supporters DID think him MOM in seven of those twelve games, and in the last four games he played, and probably not me, as although I do participate, to my shame it is not that regularly.
The top of the list is most recent, so he actually only received any votes in 1 of the last 5.
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Well there we go, he still got votes in seven of his last 12 games for MOM voted for by the supporters, not bad, when others are still here and he is elsewhere.
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Valiant attempt to somehow cling on to a completely inaccurate assertion there, Selby. I'm quite impressed.
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Hound, first of all I do not think or want Mandeville to come back to us, not because he is not good enough, but he would never be accepted by some supporters, and he is better off playing elsewhere.
But let's clear something up, the last half season he played here, in preseason at places like Guiseley he was the only forward apart from Marquis showing any form at all, and was getting good reviews after finishing the promotion season injured. Others did not look, and as the season went on proved not to be good enough, apart from Marquis.
The season started, and our midfield was devoid of any form at all, Marquis and Mandeville got no service at all, and after four or five games Mandeville paid the price of playing poorly. Fair enough.
Against Portsmouth he was asked to play as a loan striker when we had no other forward through injury and suspension I think. He scored early in the game and was lorded by the manager for playing in a position he (the manager) had said he thought he could not handle.
He was picked for the next game and substituted and disappeared for much of the rest of the season in the first team despite scoring quite regularly in the development side. He played in the Chekatrade Trophy games, was MOM against Grimsby and Rochdale scored in both games, which various people on here did not count, but for some mysterious reason count them this season, came on as a substitute against Scunthorpe in the FA cup and scored and played well, and his last appearance for us was a ten minute cameo against Rochdale a team we never looked like scoring against, With McGahey toying with our attack, and did more to worry them in that ten minutes, getting pulled down in the box after going past a couple of defenders, and was shipped out to Colchester the week after.
The rest is history, Colchester hardly won a game or
scored a goal until the end of the season which was no fault of Mandeville, as he was mysteriously hardly ever picked to play in a team not scoring at all. Meanwhile our season ended as the seasons before had, with us failing to score more than a handful of goals to the end of the season, none in the last six I think, and players still here who are waiting for their first league goal, or games in the first team in December this year.
As for McCullough, I bet if you look back at the last dozen games he played in MOM awards for them games on this forum, he gathered quite a few votes in the matches and even won a few, probably from the same supporters who think he can't get about the field, maybe someone could look at those results.
Selby.
You have written that essay to me three or four times now.
As RA pointed out, Mandeville only started seven games for us in his last season here, perhaps that indicates that he wasn’t considered good enough by the manager to start more often.
As you say, he couldn’t get into the Colchester L2 team that wasn’t scoring many goals.
Perhaps he couldn’t do enough in training to justify a start.
Although he is, or has been, a regular in the L2 Morecambe team he is only doing ok(according to a thread title) and as a so called great finisher, can’t get a strikers role in that team who are also struggling to score goals.
It also appears that in recent weeks he has been subbed off or left out of the team.
I have said many times that in my opinion he is a L2 at best player and despite the accolades presented by you and Alickismyhero, I am not going to change my mind unless he gets a move to a L1 team and shows that he is good enough to be a regular in it.
Alickismyhero.
You asked how long it is since I last saw Mandeville play.
You know exactly how long it is because I told you in our last debate about him.
Am I wrong about him?
Maybe, but possibly so are you.
You have set your stall out to be his Champion but, as above, until he does the business for a L1 team I think it is fair to say that I have a valid reason for the opinion of him that I have stated.
For your information, on the off chance that he did come back to play for us I would lend him my support while he was playing, just as I do with all our players.
I would be delighted if he did well for us.
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RA, not clinging on at all, supporters voted in 7 of his last 12 games for him as MOM, hardly playing badly for us to let go.
Hound, they are the facts, not only of his performances, but others apparently better thought of here.
As I said I do not want either to come back here, I will be happy for them to do well elsewhere, but I cannot for the life of me see why some others are still here, and would replace them in January if I could, and would also hope they did well elsewhere.
For the club to reach the holy grail of the championship, we have to be very lucky with injuries with the present squad to the end of the season, or change at least three or four for better backup players or starters.
If we were lucky enough to actually get to the Championship, I don't think we as a club could now fund a team that was competitive. We would need a big turnover of our present playing squad, and apparently the average wage in the championship is £11k per week in division 1 £2k so if players like Wright, Mason, Whiteman are wanted by other clubs we will not be able to keep them.
Of course none of that stops us from trying, but it would be very difficult.
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
He's better than Alfie May
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
He's better than Alfie May
Ferguson and Mccann don’t think so.
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
He's better than Alfie May
Ferguson and Mccann don’t think so.
Neither do I
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
He's better than Alfie May
Ferguson and Mccann don’t think so.
Neither do I
You should qualify for a personal reply from selby or Alickismyhero for that Stockton.
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would be FROZEN out here SO LET HIM GO LET HIM GO
Still think that should be Tommy Rowe's chant.
"Tommy Rowe! Tommy Roh-owe!"
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Nit involved in the Tranmere cup side again.
Very sensible. I hope we bring him and Mandeville back in January as they would strengthen our squad. Would be good to have both on the bench.
If we did bring them back and keep Kane imo we would only need 2 additions in January, a centre back and a striker and we will be serious contenders for not only a play off place but I think we could challenge the top 2 places also.
Mandevile is just not good enough at this level , McCulloughs fitness is the big concern as he can’t go too many games within breaking down and better they both find other clubs and build a future away from the Keepmoat.
He's better than Alfie May
Ferguson and Mccann don’t think so.
Neither do I
You should qualify for a personal reply from selby or Alickismyhero for that Stockton.
I respect Stockton's opinion but my opinion is that Mandy is good enough. There is NO COLLUTION between Selby and me just a feeling that Mandy is good enough and was not given long enough to prove himself to GM.
I would like to know why Fergy took against Mandy and why GM sent him out on loan for the season so quickly!
Will we find out? I doubt it. For Mandy to speak out he would be cutting his own throat.
I apologise for making a comment about Mandy when the OP was about McCullough.
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You seem to think there's some conspiracy against Liam Mandeville and that he's the only footballer in history that has been in this situation.
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COLLUSION
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My answer to that is they also thought Kiwomya was Hound, and you have made it plain what you think to him in the past.
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More whatabouttery. Refreshing.
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Another quip
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Not wrong though am I.
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Another Quip, and how could YOU think differently? you never explain yourself, just come out with a derogatory remark or pun, which makes me think you are about 16yrs old and have never had a clip round the ear hole and think if you post the last pun you are right. Try expressing your own opinion instead of jumping on others thoughts, with silly remarks you think are great. that way you are at least being open, you do it to everyone you think are wrong, and people are entitled to an opinion.
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"You disagree with my opinion therefore you obviously think no one else is allowed an opinion so I'll get personal".
It's right though isn't it. Every time one of your favourites comes up, it's all what about such and such. How's Harry Middleton getting on? the last kid you raved about. Oh yeah he's playing at the seventh level.
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COLLUSION
I thought I would try a funny topical comment obviously not taken that way.
RedJ, I have found in the past that you jump in aggressively but fail to give an explanation why the other persons opinion is wrong and you are right!
chill out life's too short.
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Nothing to do with it, and a response I expected, I don't know what your opinion is, all you do is have a go at people not just me, if you have a n opinion say what it is , and don't get the hump if others disagree, and have a discussion, what I am really trying to say is grow up.
I know Hound disagrees, I also know he has his own thoughts, because he expresses them and does not try to be clever with the one line insults or quips.
I enjoy reading his thoughts, and posters like Alan Southstand, posters you can read and take their opinions in.
I just imagine you being in your bedroom waiting for a post you disagree with , going GRRRRRRR right I will show him, it is funny.
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You seem to think there's some conspiracy against Liam Mandeville and that he's the only footballer in history that has been in this situation.
This topic should be about Luke Mc not Mandy.
I think you are taking it a little extreme with the conspiracy level comment! There could be a very good reason for getting the kid out on loan. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. All I said is I would like to know why but I am unlikely to find out. I would hope if you read back on my comments about Mandy I make positive and negative comments about him which I think are justified.
I don't want to make anymore comments on this post as it should be about McCullough and not Mandy.
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Sometimes players who are individually good talented players just don’t fit with what a manager plans for the team..
I think both Luke and Liam could have done a good job for us at this level, on their abilities alone, but if they don’t fit then perhaps they are better off elsewhere for the benefit of their own careers..
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Sometimes players who are individually good talented players just don’t fit with what a manager plans for the team..
I think both Luke and Liam could have done a good job for us at this level, on their abilities alone, but if they don’t fit then perhaps they are better off elsewhere for the benefit of their own careers..
Sound comment.
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I can agree with that, my opinion is Mandeville went to get Wilks in, who is arguably better, and McCullough went to get "Tayls" in, who has not been a success as yet, and left us exposed slightly in the central defensive area and midfield if we picked up injuries or suspensions.
I will be interested to see if we continue the one out one in policy in January, and which players attract other teams if so.
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Mandeville started away at Peterborough on New Year’s Day.
We were outstanding that day, probably our best away performance of the season.
I was sat near to our dugout and fergie was going mental at Mandeville, he had a stinker.
Fergie was constantly turning to the bench is bewilderment at some of the things Mandeville did. More his workrate than anything else, and putting that along with the criticism of his lifestyle and attitude I can only imagine there was more to that performance.
It wasn’t long after that game he was shipped out to Colchester and for mcann to get rid after only a few days implies something more was amiss
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COLLUSION
I thought I would try a funny topical comment obviously not taken that way.
RedJ, I have found in the past that you jump in aggressively but fail to give an explanation why the other persons opinion is wrong and you are right!
chill out life's too short.
People post opinions there to be shot at. All I'm doing is making a comment on his opinion.
As I say, nothing but whatabouttery every time certain players come up.
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Mandeville rated not given a chance to prove himself (not alfie may ) McCullough has all the chance is not good enough but that is my Opinion
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DOH
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GM as re-iterated that Luke is staying at Tranmere till the end of the season in an interview from the Sheffield Star.
Therefore he must still believe he will not strengthen the first team squad and it’s better for him to stay there and play games week in week out.
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GM as re-iterated that Luke is staying at Tranmere till the end of the season in an interview from the Sheffield Star.
Therefore he must still believe he will not strengthen the first team squad and it’s better for him to stay there and play games week in week out.
I read that as well Steve; it confirms what many of us suspected, that we won't see either McCullough or Mandeville in a Rovers shirt again.
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The only surprise is that we stopped him playing in the FA cup first two rounds, unless Grant is now confident of signing a replacement. It will be interesting to see if he now plays in the third round if they win their replay.
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The only surprise is that we stopped him playing in the FA cup first two rounds, unless Grant is now confident of signing a replacement. It will be interesting to see if he now plays in the third round if they win their replay.
He's said before that was because J Anderson was stopped from playing by Posh so should we lose him and recall Luke that would make Luke cup tied. If we sign some new players in Jan who can play in the cup then i reckon we'll allow Luke to play
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I don't think he can play in the replay though, having not been available for the first game. If he can play in the next round and is given permission to play in the 3 rd round, I would expect us to be able to watch him pitch his wits against a premiership forward line on the TV.
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Might be a few years ago now, but he did ok when we played stoke.!
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My dad still talks about that bizarre excellent run he made up the middle in the lead up to Tyson's goal (I think) in that Stoke game.
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There was nothing bizarre about it..
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I remember it well, a brilliant run by Luke to set up Tyson's goal.
And it was no Luke fluke.
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There was nothing bizarre about it..
I'd say considering McCullough's general style and lack of mobility, it was quite bizarre. I'm not criticising, it was terrific and he did really, really well. The fact it wasn't something you usually saw from him is what made it stand out.
Like Keegan's awesome free kick at Burton a few years ago, or Mark Wilson bagging a brace from distance against Derby. Brilliant Rovers memories from players not known for their brilliance.
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If he could do/did that on a weekly basis he would still be at Old Trafford never mind at Rovers
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Grant knows who he wants .LM not cuptied so may attract a club or Tranmere to sign him in Jan.
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