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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Boomstick on December 03, 2018, 08:25:45 pm
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Gotta be Tyson fury, surely.
Nothing short of phenomenal what he's got over and achieved.
Inspirational .
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I would expect Geraint Thomas will be in with a shout.
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Herbie Kane
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Could be Harry Kane on the back of England’s World Cup campaign.
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Aye. A hatfull of goals against Tunisia and Panama. Should be a shoo-in.
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Yeah, lets not give an England player any praise eh.
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Tyson Fury,inspirational, for being a coke head and getting banned by his sport for 2 years !!!
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Just a bit of perspective Hound, that's all.
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Just a bit of perspective Hound, that's all.
Who do you think should win it then BST.
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Aye. A hatfull of goals against Tunisia and Panama. Should be a shoo-in.
I just looked on three online bookies sites, two have Harry Kane as favourite and on the other he was second favourites behind Geraint Thomas.
Maybe my suggestion isn’t so bad after all.
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I'm not saying he won't win it Hound. I'm saying it would be a bit embarrassing if he did. If our expectations are really that low that the best sportsman we have is the captain of a team that came fourth in the world.
Geraint Thomas is the obvious one.
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I'd have thought Liam Mandeville would be on the shortlist.
:chair:
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Tyson Fury,inspirational, for being a coke head and getting banned by his sport for 2 years !!!
Suffered mental health problems, almost suicidal, and ballooned in weight.
Sought help, got rid of his demons, got his life back on track and returned to the elite level of world boxing.
Then donated his entire purse to charity, all 8 million pounds of it.
Yes, he's an inspiration.
No contest.
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I would expect Geraint Thomas will be in with a shout.
Maybe runner-up
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Thomas would probably win it for me.
Fury wouldn't be on the shortlist at all.
Harry Kane? He was basically the face of England's memorable World Cup run. I suppose Southgate has a great shout of being Coach of the Year.
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Probably Lewis Hamilton competing in a sport that’s open to all
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I'm not saying he won't win it Hound. I'm saying it would be a bit embarrassing if he did. If our expectations are really that low that the best sportsman we have is the captain of a team that came fourth in the world.
Geraint Thomas is the obvious one.
Before the World Cup, generally, people were doing the usual slagging off of the England team, saying that they had little chance of going beyond the QF stage.
There were plenty of posters on here who stated that opinion too.
In truth, England did very well and weren’t too far away from actually making it to the Final.
Far from being the joke team that their detractors had suggested they would be, the team provided our best World Cup showing for many years.
Harry Kane was the Captain of that team and was one of the most inspirational players in it.
England finishing as fourth best in the World was a better outcome than most people thought they could ever have achieved.
Why wouldn’t he be a good shout to win the Sports personality of the year award.
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Because in a country that has pride in its sport, you give prominence to sports people who have utterly excelled, not ones who have done a bit better than they were expected to do.
And again. Perspective. England beat Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden.
England lost three matches against genuinely world-class sides.
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I'm not sure if we are a country that has pride in its sport. The English media have been known to much malign success, yet glorify losers. For instance, Steve Davis, when he was the best snooker player in the world was called 'Boring' by the press, yet Eddie 'the eagle' Edwards, the rubbish skier, was a hero. Frank Bruno was a hero before he became World Champion, then he was ridiculed after he did!
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I think you're saying that we have a peculiarly unpleasant popular press in this country BB.
I entirely agree.
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I think you're saying that we have a peculiarly unpleasant popular press in this country BB.
I entirely agree.
Yes, I am BST, and the pressure it's brought on our sportspeople has been detrimental to their success.
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Probably Lewis Hamilton competing in a sport that’s open to all
Hamilton started in karts paid for and repaired by his dad, he had dreams of formula 1 and made it, same as an 8 year old playing football in the park dreaming of playing in the world cup.
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BB
I agree.
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If anyone from the England World Cup squad were to get it, I'd rather it went to Jordan Pickford. He really blossomed in the tournament and did a lot better than people thought he would, he deserves it the most.
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Because in a country that has pride in its sport, you give prominence to sports people who have utterly excelled, not ones who have done a bit better than they were expected to do.
And again. Perspective. England beat Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden.
England lost three matches against genuinely world-class sides.
BST, in your last two sentences you are doing exactly what you say our Press people do.
Also, since the World Cup we have beaten some world class sides, including Croatia and not in a friendly either.
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Hound.
No I'm stating facts. Those sentences aren't opinions. They are the context in which opinions are formed.
And yes, we have beaten Spain and Croatia, and that's great. But we weren't able to beat a genuinely world class side at the most important moment.
This is my opinion.
Had we made the final and lost narrowly, and had Kane really excelled against top class sides then yes, I'd agree he'd be top of the list. But we didnt. And he didn't.
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BST
Kane is at the top of the list of favourites on quite a few betting sites to win the award.
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Hound.
I daresay he is. That doesn't change my opinion that it would be rather embarrassing to give it to him.
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So for the second time I will ask you, who do you consider to be the best person to win then.
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Give it to James Coppinger. A decent, humble sports person who is actually a personality, unlike Hamilton. Otherwise Alistair Cook, who is a similar person.
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Probably Lewis Hamilton competing in a sport that’s open to all
Hamilton started in karts paid for and repaired by his dad, he had dreams of formula 1 and made it, same as an 8 year old playing football in the park dreaming of playing in the world cup.
Not disputing he is s talented driver and his story is as much a testament to his fathers hard work - however there are not many 8 year olds racing karts, particularly not in the park
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There is also a team award don't forget which I would expect the England World Cup squad to get a look in for. Although I reckon that will go the Ryder Cup squad.
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Probably Lewis Hamilton competing in a sport that’s open to all
Hamilton started in karts paid for and repaired by his dad, he had dreams of formula 1 and made it, same as an 8 year old playing football in the park dreaming of playing in the world cup.
Not disputing he is s talented driver and his story is as much a testament to his fathers hard work - however there are not many 8 year olds racing karts, particularly not in the park
British Karting championship, 8 year olds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2EFsD80nUA&t=849s
Just because you're not aware of it doesn't mean its not happening.
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Hound.
I answered you the first time.
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I'm not saying he won't win it Hound. I'm saying it would be a bit embarrassing if he did. If our expectations are really that low that the best sportsman we have is the captain of a team that came fourth in the world.
Geraint Thomas is the obvious one.
I saw what you wrote.
Strictly speaking you said that Thomas would be the obvious one but you didn’t say that he would be your choice.
I have also had another look st what you put in the first part of your above post.
This vote is about the sports personality of the year, not about who is the best sportsman.
Does the winner of the award have to be someone whose team won something.
In the case of England, they went considerably further in the World Cup than many people thought they would do.
Surely that in itself was an achievement.
Beckham and Michael Owen are examples of footballers who won the SPotY award without winning anything.
Greg Rusedski got it for reaching a grand slam tennis final, which he lost.
Gaza won it after inspiring England to a WC semi final.
It isn’t just about Kane being part of a team that finished fourth in the World.
The description of the award is actually awarded to “the person whose actions have most captured the public’s imagination”.
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Should've been Harry Maguire in that case imo. What a bloke.
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Fair dos Hound.
I'd always assumed the "Personality" thing was an anachronism but yep, given that description, you're probably right.
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Fair dos Hound.
I'd always assumed the "Personality" thing was an anachronism but yep, given that description, you're probably right.
TBF, I didn’t know myself until I looked at the list of previous winners and saw the requirement for the winner.
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One of my pet hates in life is when people think that because it’s called Sports Personality of the Year means it’s judged on people’s personality. A personality is also a celebrity or famous person.
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I was most amused when Zara Phillips won it because she's posh and her mum won it many years ago.
Geraint Thomas ought to win it this year although Hamilton will probably win it.
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I was most amused when Zara Phillips won it because she's posh and her mum won it many years ago.
Geraint Thomas ought to win it this year although Hamilton will probably win it.
Calling someone out as being posh and using the phrase “most amused” in the same sentence - good work!
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One of my pet hates in life is when people think that because it’s called Sports Personality of the Year means it’s judged on people’s personality. A personality is also a celebrity or famous person.
Agreed, mostly used in recent years when the much-maligned Andy Murray has won it, even though he is legitimately one of the most successful sportsmen in recent British history.