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Title: Yet Another Forward?
Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 11:06:57 am
On loan in January, from a Championship side.
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Post by: RoversAlias on December 13, 2018, 11:07:31 am
Source?
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Post by: jm291 on December 13, 2018, 11:07:54 am
Source?

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-deal-for-another-forward-lined-up-for-first-week-in-january-1-9489460
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Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 11:16:40 am
Thanks JM, I'm no good with these link things! It's an age thing.

I wouldn't have made that up, Alias.
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Post by: Bezza on December 13, 2018, 11:25:13 am
will be interesting to see who it is, and who will be going.
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Post by: drfchound on December 13, 2018, 11:35:15 am
There was some scepticism at the start of the season about whether or not GM had kept back until January some of his budget.
This backs up his insistance that it was the case.
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Post by: RoversAlias on December 13, 2018, 11:44:38 am
Thanks JM, I'm no good with these link things! It's an age thing.

I wouldn't have made that up, Alias.

I would never have thought you would Alan. Just wanted to see where it had come from so I could read it myself.

And it sounds good to me, let the speculation begin for who the mystery man is. We need to bolster the forward line, and we need a bit more depth in defence so it's very positive to see that McCann has identified these areas and is putting plans in place.
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Post by: GazLaz on December 13, 2018, 12:17:47 pm
#Going4It
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Post by: RedJ on December 13, 2018, 12:29:38 pm
inb4 rumours of Billy Sharp
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Post by: Pancho Regan on December 13, 2018, 12:49:06 pm
I must say GM comes over very well in that article, I like his views and his vision for the future.
He seems very clear about what he wants and how he will achieve it, and once again the Board seem to be backing him.

Good times.
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Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 13, 2018, 12:53:15 pm
Sounds very definite whoever it is. Also looking for a defensive target which could mean McLaughlin is not coming our way... Or is he? Smoke and mirrors maybe.

Hopefully, this should give the doubters more confidence.
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Post by: RedJ on December 13, 2018, 12:56:05 pm
Throwback to when there was no money and the club were lying about the budget and we didn't have a pot to piss in.
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 12:57:10 pm
Hopefully this will go some way to alleviating the concerns of those fans who worry our club doesn’t do enough towards squad building..
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Post by: adamtherover on December 13, 2018, 01:14:01 pm
Thanks JM, I'm no good with these link things! It's an age thing.

I wouldn't have made that up, Alias.

I would never have thought you would Alan. Just wanted to see where it had come from so I could read it myself.

And it sounds good to me, let the speculation begin for who the mystery man is. We need to bolster the forward line, and we need a bit more depth in defence so it's very positive to see that McCann has identified these areas and is putting plans in place.
4th highest scorers in league 1,  some would say the defense was the issue? 
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Post by: RoversAlias on December 13, 2018, 01:48:16 pm
Thanks JM, I'm no good with these link things! It's an age thing.

I wouldn't have made that up, Alias.

I would never have thought you would Alan. Just wanted to see where it had come from so I could read it myself.

And it sounds good to me, let the speculation begin for who the mystery man is. We need to bolster the forward line, and we need a bit more depth in defence so it's very positive to see that McCann has identified these areas and is putting plans in place.
4th highest scorers in league 1,  some would say the defense was the issue? 

Most fans have said all season that we can't finish chances as well as we should. We're on a great run at the moment but it has been a common complaint when we haven't won games. McCann says it himself, we're the 4th highest scorers yet he wants more, he knows we are capable of more.
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Post by: Drover on December 13, 2018, 01:57:59 pm
Sounds very definite whoever it is. Also looking for a defensive target which could mean McLaughlin is not coming our way... Or is he? Smoke and mirrors maybe.

Hopefully, this should give the doubters more confidence.
Im thinking the club might be waiting to see if Cork will drop there transfer fee demand.I read somewhere,something along the lines,Cork hoping to cash in due to revenue dropping next season or somethung like that.
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Post by: MachoMadness on December 13, 2018, 02:44:26 pm
inb4 rumours of Billy Sharp
At least it's not Keshi Anderson again.
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Post by: Askern Rover on December 13, 2018, 03:08:39 pm
Could it be Malik Wilkes ?
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Post by: Draytonian III on December 13, 2018, 03:10:13 pm
Conor Washington ??
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Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 03:12:21 pm
The article says the player will be ‘arriving’ the first week of January. Wills is already here.
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Post by: Draytonian III on December 13, 2018, 03:12:52 pm
^^^^^ Played at Peterborough for GM
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Post by: deebee on December 13, 2018, 03:37:44 pm
Could it be a part exchange Sharpe for Marquis plus some cash.
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 03:42:21 pm
Could it be a part exchange Sharpe for Marquis plus some cash.

No.. I doubt that, plus Sean Bean is getting on a bit now..
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Post by: jm291 on December 13, 2018, 03:43:35 pm
Conor Washington ??

This is a good shout and would be happy with that. A lot to prove and if he did well could pick him up on a free in summer.
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Post by: phil old leake on December 13, 2018, 04:15:42 pm
Just throwing this out there.  With Sadlier and this potential new championship forward. That gives us 5 or 6.  Is someone about to leave.
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 04:18:02 pm
I don’t think so.. playing 3 up front it makes sense  to have 5 or 6 to choose from, especially with two already out on loan..

We should be strengthening, not maintaining the status quo..
Title: Re: Yet Another Forward?
Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 04:31:38 pm
My thoughts were for the second player to be a cb and the third a midfielder, in case of HK not returning to us.

The fact that it isn't gives me further hope on Herbie.
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Post by: pib on December 13, 2018, 04:36:11 pm
I know Sharp is in and out of the Sheff Utd team, but they're really not going to let their top scorer (and skipper) go to a L1 club are they.

Whether he'd even want to drop down a level is another matter as well.
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Post by: RedJ on December 13, 2018, 05:04:10 pm
Washington has already played for two teams this season hasn't he? so he wouldn't be able to come.

Well, he wouldn't be able to play, at least...
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Post by: WheatleyRover on December 13, 2018, 05:19:56 pm
Haven't they just recalled a forward from Barrow, called Tyler Smith, heard he did well
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 05:23:52 pm
Washington has already played for two teams this season hasn't he? so he wouldn't be able to come.

Well, he wouldn't be able to play, at least...

Does that rule apply for loanees, or for contracted clubs.?
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Post by: RoversAlias on December 13, 2018, 05:57:01 pm
It applies to anyone as far as I know. As soon as you've played for two clubs in a season you can't play for another. It happened to Conor Grant with Plymouth last season.
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Post by: Red wizard on December 13, 2018, 06:28:58 pm
Leon Clarke. He's not getting a game.
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Post by: sedwardsdrfc on December 13, 2018, 07:03:32 pm
Does look like we're going for it with the signings but before we get too excited it could well be a loan of a younger player, like Wilks, to be an backup to Marquis rather than out and out 1st team material who will fire us well into the playoffs. Saying that Wilks has been an asset but it can almost be a toss of a coin as to how good they are.

I think its right to go for a striker because when we had a spell where Marquis wasn't finding the net results really suffered so that backup to come in and score and push him every day in training should stop those dry spells

If we can get Washington or someone like that we'll be a big problem for everyone in this league and GM will have a hard decisions to make for the starting 11.
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Post by: selby on December 13, 2018, 07:17:57 pm
  More likely to be Tyler Smith from Sheffield United, he has been on loan at Barrow but brought back to Sheffield United.
  They could be wanting him to be tested at a higher level, and we had a good experience with Whiteman.
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Post by: besty on December 13, 2018, 07:26:23 pm
Could also mean we are losing players and these are to replace them,JUST SAYING!!

I actually hate the January window,ID be happy with the same squad at the end dont wanna lose Herbie or JM. 
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Post by: Branton Rover on December 13, 2018, 07:26:31 pm
I always thought Ferguson’s statement regarding lack of funds was claptrap - the money was always there but realised it would be wasted with Fergie whereas McCann is a more bankable investment
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 07:42:06 pm
Could also mean we are losing players and these are to replace them,JUST SAYING!!

I actually hate the January window,ID be happy with the same squad at the end dont wanna lose Herbie or JM. 

Beestin just gone out on loan..

I said earlier on, playing 3 up front means we need 5 or 6 in the squad, especially once this window closes there are no more incomings..
Title: Re: Yet Another Forward?
Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 08:28:15 pm
We already have 6 available from Jan 1st:

Wilks (if his loan is extended)
Marquis
Copps
May
Taylor
Sadlier

One more makes 7, unless either:

Someone is going out on loan
Wilks' loan extension has hit a snag
Someone is going to be transferred out

Or

He actually does want 7.
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 08:38:27 pm
Three on the pitch and two on the bench doesn’t leave much room for injuries and suspensions.. I would think he may want 7..
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Post by: Alan Southstand on December 13, 2018, 08:52:08 pm
And, as someone has already alluded to, loss of form!
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Post by: IDM on December 13, 2018, 09:00:29 pm
The vibe I got from that DFP piece was positive about adding to the squad, at least one more player coming in and the board backing the manager..
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Post by: sedwardsdrfc on December 13, 2018, 09:01:44 pm
We already have 6 available from Jan 1st:

Wilks (if his loan is extended)
Marquis
Copps
May
Taylor
Sadlier

One more makes 7, unless either:

Someone is going out on loan
Wilks' loan extension has hit a snag
Someone is going to be transferred out

Or

He actually does want 7.

9 if Beestin and Kiwomya's loans aren't extended past Jan or 10 even if Mandeville comes back (not sure how long his loan is)
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Post by: scawsby steve on December 13, 2018, 09:07:17 pm
We already have 6 available from Jan 1st:

Wilks (if his loan is extended)
Marquis
Copps
May
Taylor
Sadlier

One more makes 7, unless either:

Someone is going out on loan
Wilks' loan extension has hit a snag
Someone is going to be transferred out

Or

He actually does want 7.

9 if Beestin and Kiwomya's loans aren't extended past Jan or 10 even if Mandeville comes back (not sure how long his loan is)

Mandy's loan is for the whole season; he won't play in a Rovers shirt again.
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Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 13, 2018, 09:11:26 pm
Why are we only quoting sheff utd players have I missed something?
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Post by: Alan Southstand on December 14, 2018, 08:16:51 am
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Three on the pitch and two on the bench doesn’t leave much room for injuries and suspensions.. I would think he may want 7..

So, if you apply that logic to the middle 3, and Kane doesn't get his loan extended, we have a real problem in the engine room!

If the 3rd player is a cb, we've cured the 3 centre back problem, but we seem to be overlooking the midfield. I suppose we can sort Herbie's issue out if and when it occurs, let's hope that is indeed the case. We all hope it doesn't come to having to replace him at all, of course.
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Post by: IDM on December 14, 2018, 08:19:59 am
Potentially we may eventually need to rotate some players between the front 3 and the middle 3, Blair being a prime example..
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Post by: Lifelong supporter on December 14, 2018, 11:56:23 am
I always thought Ferguson’s statement regarding lack of funds was claptrap - the money was always there but realised it would be wasted with Fergie whereas McCann is a more bankable investment

What statement was that then?
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Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 14, 2018, 12:22:44 pm
I happen to believe the midfield would not totally disintegrate without Herbie Kane. Yes, we're in a great place with him but we have some good players who can contribute and still provide enough ammunition to get results.
Title: Re: Yet Another Forward?
Post by: Alan Southstand on December 14, 2018, 12:44:21 pm
I have a very different view to you, DBR, on Herbie. Think back to last season and most thought that Houghton was our best midfielder and he was a loan.  As much as I liked Houghton, I would say even he couldn't hold a candle to Herbie.

We Definately would have a problem if we lost him and didn't replace him with someone either just as good or near to him.
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Post by: Pancho Regan on December 14, 2018, 01:31:10 pm

Mandy's loan is for the whole season; he won't play in a Rovers shirt again.

Speaking of Mandy, does anybody know how he's doing at Morecambe?

 ;)

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Post by: karldew on December 14, 2018, 01:32:58 pm
I have a very different view to you, DBR, on Herbie. Think back to last season and most thought that Houghton was our best midfielder and he was a loan.  As much as I liked Houghton, I would say even he couldn't hold a candle to Herbie.

We Definately would have a problem if we lost him and didn't replace him with someone either just as good or near to him.

I would of liked to have seen a Whiteman, Houghton and Kane midfield in this league.
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Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on December 14, 2018, 04:29:58 pm
I think Whiteman is doing just fine and dandy in the role Houghton was playing. Houghton just wasn't the same player when he came back from injury. Not saying he's a bad player by any means but Whiteman has matured into the anchor role and, has a bit more to his game. That leaves, room for more creative, forward thinking midfielders in front of him, of which Kane is exceptional.
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Post by: RoversAlias on December 14, 2018, 07:02:30 pm
I think Whiteman and Kane's performances this season have shown that Houghton wasnt really that good to be honest. He was fine as a holding man and he excelled in League 2 for us but he didn't really do a lot last year.
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Post by: drfchound on December 14, 2018, 08:37:44 pm
Agreed RA.
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Post by: keith79 on December 14, 2018, 09:02:55 pm
A bit harsh on Houghton.
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Post by: pib on December 14, 2018, 09:20:09 pm
Houghton was a good player for us but I'm not sure he'd be a McCann type anyway. More of a sitting midfielder than an all-rounder/box-to-box player.
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Post by: Draytonian III on December 16, 2018, 03:54:11 pm
Conor Washington left QPR by mutual agreement is that the same as a transfer with the 2 teams a season rule
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Post by: RedJ on December 16, 2018, 08:29:55 pm
It's irrelevant how the transfer happens. You can't play for more than two clubs in a single season.
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Post by: Draytonian III on December 16, 2018, 09:15:24 pm
So it won’t be Conor Washington then , maybe next season
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Post by: dickos1 on December 16, 2018, 10:16:40 pm
I always thought Ferguson’s statement regarding lack of funds was claptrap - the money was always there but realised it would be wasted with Fergie whereas McCann is a more bankable investment

He’s never made a statement claiming a lack of funds has he?
Also with the quality of signings he made for us then I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t be thinking it would be a waste giving him the money