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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DRNaith on January 02, 2019, 10:33:11 pm
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Elbowed Andy Carroll in the face and received no punishment.
Carroll was left with a cut above his eye.
Dunk seems to be able to get away with these "mistakes" quite well.
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A poor mans Jonjo Shelvey, he should have got a red tonight for the foul on Pogba, never even got a card
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Dunk does nothing by mistake
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Get over it
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Get over it
Agree....
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As much as it pains me to say it he has turned into a very acclompished centre back.
I think that foul on Billy Sharp should now be confined to history as it was in August 2011
Let’s move on folks. :that:
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Maybe we should have this as a Sticky up top for those who still need or feel the need to visit it periodically.
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ACCOMPLISHED spelt correctly for those that noticed my deliberate mistake. ;)
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Just press modify if you spot an error - change it - and press save
Look at my posts - nearly all have "Edit" at the bottom :lol:
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I think the issue that still rankles with some is that Dunk went unpunished - should have been sent off and served a 3 game suspension. He would still be unpopular but perhaps with less longevity..
The other issue was the injury to Sharp and the subsequent run of bad results costing SoD his job and ultimately our relegation. It is impossible to say if that would have been any different with a fit Billy Sharp..
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Just press modify if you spot an error - change it - and press save
Look at my posts - nearly all have "Edit" at the bottom :lol:
I keep forgetting about that EDIT Wolf.
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Im glad its there as I b***s up loads of stuff !
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As much as it pains me to say it he has turned into a very acclompished centre back.
I think that foul on Billy Sharp should now be confined to history as it was in August 2011
Let’s move on folks. :that:
No chance we aren't going to give him the elbow - (shame he is badly out of form on the o.g. front)
the first time i saw his name i thought "Dunk the biscuit" certainly doesn't get crumbs in his pocket. He's been doing everything to a tee on the pitch the last few years
he's a folk "anti-hero" on here and you can't "format" our memories :scarf:
- BUT just remember if he had done all these things in a Rovers shirt (good & bad) over the years he would be a "hero"
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As much as it pains me to say it he has turned into a very acclompished centre back.
I think that foul on Billy Sharp should now be confined to history as it was in August 2011
Let’s move on folks. :that:
No chance we aren't going to give him the elbow - (shame he is badly out of form on the o.g. front)
the first time i saw his name i thought "Dunk the biscuit" certainly doesn't get crumbs in his pocket. He's been doing everything to a tee on the pitch the last few years
he's a folk "anti-hero" on here and you can't "format" our memories :scarf:
- BUT just remember if he had done all these things in a Rovers shirt (good & bad) over the years he would be a "hero"
Just like Doolan was a hero for the "tackle" on McPhail.
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That foul was a seminal moment in my understanding of how online reality is utterly f**ked.
It was a horrific foul. A shocking challenge that could have been a career-ender.
What it opened my eyes to was the way in which people were prepared to close their eyes to blindingly obvious evidence that they didn't want to see.
I had a long and unpleasant exchange about the foul on a Brighton forum. With a few notable exceptions, their fans were insistent that Dunk's challenge was innocent and that it was Sharp's fault for moving his position into the challenge.
So I took some stills of the BBC video which clearly and unarguably showed just how bad Dunk's challenge was. How he had dived in straight through the back of Sharp's leg, never aiming within a yard of the trajectory of the ball.
That was the cue for a torrent of abuse and even more insistence that Dunk was up alongside the Virgin Mary in being without sin.
Up until that moment, my key principle was that there was this thing called Objective Reality. That there were unarguably facts which people would agree on and which underpinned rational discussion. That, if facts were placed in front of someone, they would acknowledge the existence of the facts.
After that, my key principle was that Brighton was full of Kitsons.
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Doesn’t Marquis go out with his sister?
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Doesn’t Marquis go out with his sister?
Sick bas**rd, no wonder Barnsley were interested.
Oh you mean Dunks sister ?
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Yeah he went unpunished. The Football League is definitely going to go back and issue him a red card 7.5 years later though so might as well carry on banging on about it.
We were well out of our depth that season and going down anyway.
It's long since been time to move on...
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Acknowledging that someone has a history of getting away with things, and it happening again, doesn't mean that you are frought with stress and angst over the initial incident.
The post was just pointing out the possibility of history repeating itself.
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It is boring though. Every time he does anything there's a thread on here to point it out. Loads, and loads of players have committed bad fouls against Rovers over the years yet it's Dunk who gets fixated upon all these years later.
I was at that game, yes it was a bad tackle and it felt awful that both our strikers had been carried off, but you know what, both were back within weeks and we had far, far bigger problems that season than them missing a bit of time injured. It's sad how some Rovers fans just won't let it go.
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I just hope Dunk walked in on John having his sister bent clean over firing one home at one point.
I'd take that as justice.
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I'm not suffering about it, but in the same way I would piss against Thatchers statue any time I passed it, I shan't pass on having a say on Dunk, the Pink Wafer of a player :turd:
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Once a thug, always a thug. Nothing new to see here...
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Dunk had a pivotal impact on that season that's why he is remembered with so much animosity and according to their manager he was such a sweet lad he would never go out to injure a player like that even if it appeared that the manager had sent him out with the instructions to do a number on Billy so to speak, get over it yep but it was such an impact that's why its remembered
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I suppose Dunk was to blame for us not winning any of the final 18 games of the previous season as well?
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I suppose Dunk was to blame for us not winning any of the final 18 games of the previous season as well?
no not saying that at all but it was a pivotal injury to a top goalscorer
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He only missed 6 games! And you're not telling me SOD would've survived the sack if Sharp had been fit, the team was poor all round and John Ryan had made his mind up to try that stupid experiment.
I wouldn't put Dunk in the top 20 when apportioning blame to people for our relegation that season.
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As context - we were 1-0 up when Sharp got stretchered off (55 minute) and they didn’t score until 83 and then 90 minute, to win 2-1.
This was first ever game in their stadium after almost 15 years homeless and we were beating them until dying embers of game.
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Hoping to draw a line under it
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Scoring goals and winning games breeds confidence - that’s how so called smaller clubs can survive at a higher level or win cup ties etc..
With a fit Sharp we may have won 2 or 3 of those games, and who knows what would have followed afterwards. I think that’s why this issue is still bigger than it really should be.
Had the foul been in a later game had we had the same set of results, the long term feelings would surely be less.?
We still show intense dislike for Kitson, the ref for the Portsmouth game, managers like Cotterill etc based on performances from several years ago..
I have moved on and I couldn’t care two hoots what Dunk does now - he’s not our player - but I do recognise his foul was pivotal to how our season started back then..
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I think what is fairly reasonable to assume is that if Sharp had not been mangled then we would have had a better chance than otherwise to either draw or win that game, given how potent he was. If that had happened then perhaps SOD would not have been under such scrutiny and The Experiment not have then resulted following his departure.
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I think what is fairly reasonable to assume is that if Sharp has not been mangled then we would have had a better chance than otherwise to either draw or win that game, given how potent he was. If that had happened then perhaps SOD would not have been under such scrutiny and The Experiment not have then resulted following his departure.
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I think what is fairly reasonable to assume is that if Sharp has not been mangled then we would have had a better chance than otherwise to either draw or win that game, given how potent he was. If that had happened then perhaps SOD would not have been under such scrutiny and The Experiment not have then resulted following his departure.
I was at that game and the tackle was just infront of our stand. It was a dirty tackle and I find it very hard to excuse Dunk. Shortly after that tackle Hayter pulled up injured.
Did it bring on the failed experiment who knows? but what I found interesting was that Sean in 2013, when he was at Bristol City, took Dunk on loan! no grudge held there then.
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Hatter didn't "pull up". He wrapped his foot round a defender's head while attempting a swivel volley, and knacked his knee ligaments.
That was one of those things.
Dunk's foul was to this day one of the worst I have ever seen and it is beyond belief that the d**khead of a ref who was 6 feet away only gave him a yellow card.
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I've seen worse tbh - ref was probably too close to call it......... just after 5 mins on highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz9r-F3j3j0
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Hatter didn't "pull up". He wrapped his foot round a defender's head while attempting a swivel volley, and knacked his knee ligaments.
That was one of those things.
Dunk's foul was to this day one of the worst I have ever seen and it is beyond belief that the d**khead of a ref who was 6 feet away only gave him a yellow card.
BST, That is exactly as I saw it. When it comes to Hayter, for simplicity, I said Hayter pulled up it was in fact self inflicted exactly as you said. It was these two incidents/ injuries that put an end to our best/only strikers for months.
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For months? Again Sharp only missed 6 games and Hayter missed 3! Everyone seems to have grossly exaggerated their memories of this entire thing. Both players scored on their returns too so it's not like their form suffered the effects of those dastardly evil tackles.
People really need to let this go. It had a bearing on us losing to Brighton that day, sure, but they were always heavy favourites considering the occasion. It had no impact on our dismal relegation.
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I've seen worse tbh - ref was probably too close to call it......... just after 5 mins on highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz9r-F3j3j0
I'll post the stills that I screen grabbed from the other angle when I get home. It was a shocking challenge when you see it from head on. Utterly out of control and the sort of challenge that finishes careers.
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Agreed with RA.
Those injuries didn't change our history. Having Woods, Dumbuya, Lockwood, Martis, Naylor and Hird as key members of the first team squad was far more detrimental. Those outfield players were all either retired or playing 1-2 divisions lower within a year. Woods was the luckiest Tier 3 title winner in history the following season, being protected by one of the best defences in our history, but he was never remotely Tier 2 standard. In the whole back five, we started that season with only Tommy Spurr and George Friend (played out of position at centre back) of the requisite quality. O'Connor was injured and in any case was on a downward path from the player he'd been a year or two back. He only had a slack handful of decent Championship-level performances left in him by then.
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I've seen worse tbh - ref was probably too close to call it......... just after 5 mins on highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz9r-F3j3j0
I'll post the stills that I screen grabbed from the other angle when I get home. It was a shocking challenge when you see it from head on. Utterly out of control and the sort of challenge that finishes careers.
It wasn't a great challenge, but nowhere near the worse....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGkafx3-Ks
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Hatter didn't "pull up". He wrapped his foot round a defender's head while attempting a swivel volley, and knacked his knee ligaments.
That was one of those things.
Dunk's foul was to this day one of the worst I have ever seen and it is beyond belief that the d**khead of a ref who was 6 feet away only gave him a yellow card.
BST, That is exactly as I saw it. When it comes to Hayter, for simplicity, I said Hayter pulled up it was in fact self inflicted exactly as you said. It was these two incidents/ injuries that put an end to our best/only strikers for months.
Hayter and Sharp I don't think fully recovered from those injuries for some time even after they returned to the team.
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I remember playing Notts Forest off the park and losing 1-0. We weren't getting hammered as such just not good enough. With a fit Billy we might have got a few points in the games that he missed rather than playing catch up.
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It’s distant history. Are we ever going to move on?
Having said that how that tackle of Dunk’s wasn’t a red card I will never know. I think the occasion of it being Brighton’s first game at the Amex might have had something to do with it.
Now for ..... sake can we move on.
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I tried to draw a line under it earlier this mornng - and it didnt work. So try again
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Listening to the Brighton v Rovers match commentary, the commentator comes over as being very much biased towards Brighton.
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It doesn’t look that bad a tackle on those highlights, the one earlier by one of our players spurr maybe looks just as bad
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The earlier one was Naylor.
It was nowhere near as bad.
Naylor misjudged the tackle, realised he had done so, bent his leg out of the way and missed their player by fully 18 inches. Because he was a controlled old pro who never once in his career was sent off for dangerous play.
It looked bad because their player, understandably, anticipated an impact and ended up jumping over the challenge.
Dunk's was a different thing altogether. He flew in from behind, taking off from 3 yards behind Sharp, in a direction where he could never get within a yard and a half of the ball,but was inevitably going to plough straight through the back of Sharp's leg. He hit Sharp with a fully extended, braced leg (the most dangerous impact) then for good measure, came through him with the scything other leg. It was a f**king awful challenge.
EDIT: see attached. As I say, a f**king awful challenge. Any pro should be disgusted with themselves at a challenge like that.
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I could also never understand why Billy was booed by a lot of their fans as he went off on a stretcher.
I was also there at the Goldstone Ground when Darren Moore was sent off amid a shower of bananas thrown by their so called fans.
They lost a lot of respect from me over those two incidents.
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Thanks for posting that file BST. I'd forgotten how close the ref was. He had the perfect view. Eddie Ilderton, pah! Lewis Dunk, pah!
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Does make you wonder if Ilderton's eyes were painted on. What in Christ's name was he thinking?
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I could also never understand why Billy was booed by a lot of their fans as he went off on a stretcher.
I was also there at the Goldstone Ground when Darren Moore was sent off amid a shower of bananas thrown by their so called fans.
They lost a lot of respect from me over those two incidents.
Something that was quickly forgotten in the Brighton media love in
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Does make you wonder if Ilderton's eyes were painted on. What in Christ's name was he thinking?
Eddie Ilderton does not think.
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He's since reffed in a lot of our games, I don't recall his performances.
--> Just looked at the rate the ref polls. Seems he was rated as dire for several games following that Brighton mess but more recently has improved.