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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Guernsey Exile on January 22, 2019, 09:03:48 am
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Not sure if you have all seen the news - the above player was on a plane that went missing last night over the Channel Islands.
I heard all the helicopters and search planes last night but only realized this morning what it was for!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-46954922
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I don’t know if it has been confirmed he was on that plane yet.?
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He was definitely on the plane. Shocking.
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Yes the authorities have now confirmed he was on board..
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On the BBC news they just said that he posted a picture of him with his ex team mates and headed it up as “the last goodbye”.
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Very sad
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Extremely tragic!
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I cant believe that there are people seriously considering these options
a) The Pilot and Player made it to a Life Raft which was carried by the Plane - (I can go along with to a degree - possiblilty 2 out of 10 but with eyes everywhere - where is it ?)
but then the following three are listed
:: The plane landed elsewhere but has not made contact (really in this day and age with transponders Flight Radar 24 and Mobile Phones 0 out of 10)
:: The plane landed on water and Sala and the pilot have been picked up by a passing ship (see above - no chance whatsoever Again 0 out of 10)
:: The plane broke up on contact with the water, leaving them in the sea (my money is on that 10 out of 10)
"Our search area is prioritised on the life raft option," a police statement said.
Sad but inevitable - looks very bleak and any survivors clinging to rocks etc would be hypothermic by now surely - even fir Pro Footballers
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Very sad news for all on board the plane and their families
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I cant believe that there are people seriously considering these options
a) The Pilot and Player made it to a Life Raft which was carried by the Plane - (I can go along with to a degree - possiblilty 2 out of 10 but with eyes everywhere - where is it ?)
but then the following three are listed
:: The plane landed elsewhere but has not made contact (really in this day and age with transponders Flight Radar 24 and Mobile Phones 0 out of 10)
:: The plane landed on water and Sala and the pilot have been picked up by a passing ship (see above - no chance whatsoever Again 0 out of 10)
:: The plane broke up on contact with the water, leaving them in the sea (my money is on that 10 out of 10)
"Our search area is prioritised on the life raft option," a police statement said.
Sad but inevitable - looks very bleak and any survivors clinging to rocks etc would be hypothermic by now surely - even fir Pro Footballers
Survival out there would be tough - its one of the roughest parts of the islands and has claimed many ships over the years - when you come round that part of Alderney on a boat you can really feel the swell.
I can't believe some of the berating Guernsey Police have been getting on Twitter from Cardiff fans - i gets its tragic but having a pop at the police isn't for now
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Not only that it was a single prop engine. Flotation upon landing on the water would be nil. There would be very limited rescue equipment on board and I doubt it would have been accessed. If it has ditched dramatically it would have most certainly gone straight underwater with the obvious impact speed to contend with also.
It does not bear thinking about. Ice cold water and dark also. It would have been a very scary place to be if conscious.
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Looks like the plane belonged to Willie McKay
Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish football agent Willie McKay when it disappeared over the English Channel, reports @MattHughesTimes
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/plane-emiliano-sala-was-travelling-on-belonged-to-football-agent-willie-mckay-28h7k8vc8
COYR
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Pilot from Crowle aswell which indeed further points to the plane being the agents. It's all very sad.
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That plane has been in and out of Sandtoft a few times
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Doesn’t seem he was happy with the plane
"I'm on a plane that looks like it's going to fall apart."
Media in Argentina say Emiliano Sala reportedly sent a WhatsApp voice message to his family.
👉 bbc.in/2FJZ53U
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424
COYR
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I don’t wish to sound crass or disrespectful of this dreadful situation, but is the transfer of a player in these circumstances still valid and if so how does Cardiff City not loose also , as I’d assume life insurance wouldn’t form part of any deal .
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I don’t wish to sound crass or disrespectful of this dreadful situation, but is the transfer of a player in these circumstances still valid and if so how does Cardiff City not loose also , as I’d assume life insurance wouldn’t form part of any deal .
I can’t deny it’s crossed my mind too.
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It was one of the first things I thought - If Cardiff had coughed up 15 Mill and the Player has sadly been killed I wondered how they would recoup that money almost straight away (sorry !)
I thought surely there will be Insurance in place ? If there is how will it affect them in getting their money back - and how quickly will they get it ? Will there be an excess and how much and if it takes Months can they afford to buy a replacement
Its a sad old tale - as it is for the family of the bloke from Crowle
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What about McKays agents fee?
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What about McKays agents fee?
He wants to hope that aircrafts maintenence record is up to date, or he might not need those fees where he might be going
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What about McKays agents fee?
He wants to hope that aircrafts maintenence record is up to date, or he might not need those fees where he might be going
Very true.
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What about McKays agents fee?
He wants to hope that aircrafts maintenence record is up to date, or he might not need those fees where he might be going
Very true.
Exactly. I guess it's part of the personal service he offers to his clients that help justify the fee. Unfortunately though, as the Leicester tragedy also shows, air travel, particularly in smaller aircraft, brings some additional risks.
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The aircraft has an American registration, that is what the letter N stands for at the begining of it’s registration number, although he may be the owner, he could n’t register it in America in his name, you have to be American to do that. To get around this the aircraft is registerd to Southern Aircraft Consultancy which is a Trust for registering aircraft with the American N prefix, this trust is based in Norfolk but has American trustees
The link explains things better
https://agcorp.com/2017/07/what-is-an-aircraft-trust-and-how-does-it-work/
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For those of us who have worked on the sea around the coast of the uk,we knew that it was a lost cause from the first minute it was reported..Sadly I've seen people die within 30 minutes in these seas even wearing survival suits and life vests..
Even if they had got to a life raft hypothermia gets you very quickly..The timeframes of rescue are terribly short..
Very sad story...
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I hope he died in the actual crash... would be a horrible way to die, floating in the Channel freezing to death.
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Search called off.
In fairness it is bitter here today - the water will be freezing
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Its strange that not one piece of wreckage has been found
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Someone now saying "McKay" not the owner but that could be due to Reply #22 above ?
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I read some quotes earlier from a "Mark McKay" who apparently arranged the flight, is it mistaken identity or is he a relative of Willie's?
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I read some quotes earlier from a "Mark McKay" who apparently arranged the flight, is it mistaken identity or is he a relative of Willie's?
It's his son.
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That's a main reason for the signing, McKay's links with Cardiff with Jack and Paul playing in their academy and also with his strong French football links.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral)
Text transcript showing that former Rovers academy graduate Jack McKay helped Emiliano Sala organise this flight after his dad, Willie, got him to reach out to offer to help.
Does sound from that as though they chose to fly at that time due to when Sala wanted to come back to Cardiff. Somebody should have really considered further the dangers of flying over the Channel at night, in January, in a single-engined plane.
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“Lincolnshire Live “ has details about where the plane was based
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Plane found yesterday - now confirmed there is one body inside
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“Lincolnshire Live “ has details about where the plane was based
Not looked, but I believe the plane was based in Norfolk somewhere, but I know it was a regular visitor to Sandtoft
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“Lincolnshire Live “ has details about where the plane was based
Not looked, but I believe the plane was based in Norfolk somewhere, but I know it was a regular visitor to Sandtoft
It’s an American registered aircraft apparently. Shouldn’t have been carrying out commercial flights.
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That will be determined by the investigation..
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“Lincolnshire Live “ has details about where the plane was based
Not looked, but I believe the plane was based in Norfolk somewhere, but I know it was a regular visitor to Sandtoft
It’s an American registered aircraft apparently. Shouldn’t have been carrying out commercial flights.
Theres lots of light aircraft registered in America, its cheaper than registering them over here
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The plane was based at Gamston, about 2 miles south of Retford just of the A1
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I'm learning to fly at Gamston and it has often been parked up on the apron. Not sure if it was hangered at Gamston, though.
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“Lincolnshire Live “ has details about where the plane was based
Not looked, but I believe the plane was based in Norfolk somewhere, but I know it was a regular visitor to Sandtoft
It’s an American registered aircraft apparently. Shouldn’t have been carrying out commercial flights.
If Pilot did not accept payment then flight is not commercial ( so I am informed).
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I'm learning to fly at Gamston and it has often been parked up on the apron. Not sure if it was hangered at Gamston, though.
Dog fight coming up v The Red Baron ?
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I'm learning to fly at Gamston and it has often been parked up on the apron. Not sure if it was hangered at Gamston, though.
Its registered with a trust based in Norfolk
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Norfolk UK or Norfolk USA ?
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Norfolk UK or Norfolk USA ?
UK
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Norfolk UK or Norfolk USA ?
UK
I was wrong, it is registered in Suffolk to this company
Southern Aircraft Consultancy in Bungay, Suffolk, United Kingdom
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The body recovered from the aircraft has been confirmed to be that of Emiliano Sala
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What about the other body..?
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral)
Text transcript showing that former Rovers academy graduate Jack McKay helped Emiliano Sala organise this flight after his dad, Willie, got him to reach out to offer to help.
Does sound from that as though they chose to fly at that time due to when Sala wanted to come back to Cardiff. Somebody should have really considered further the dangers of flying over the Channel at night, in January, in a single-engined plane.
Sala's direct agent was the third son Mark who apparently arranged the flight. Not Jack
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What about the other body..?
Not found and severe weather has forced the Search to be "called off". The way it sounded it seemed that would be a permanent "calling off" not just a resumption in a few days but I may have misunderstood the statement
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11704/11617696/emiliano-salas-messages-with-agents-son-organising-flight-revealed?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=192.168.8.1&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral)
Text transcript showing that former Rovers academy graduate Jack McKay helped Emiliano Sala organise this flight after his dad, Willie, got him to reach out to offer to help.
Does sound from that as though they chose to fly at that time due to when Sala wanted to come back to Cardiff. Somebody should have really considered further the dangers of flying over the Channel at night, in January, in a single-engined plane.
Sala's direct agent was the third son Mark who apparently arranged the flight. Not Jack
Indeed but it was Jack who text Sala about the possibility of the whole thing.
Doesn't really matter anyway, awful tragedy what's happened here and I hope Sala's family can begin the process of closure and grief now they have recovered his body.
It's desperately sad they haven't been able to find David Ibbotson as well.
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Echo that. It's a really heart wrenching tragedy.
I really hope the ensuing enquiry doesn't make matters worse and allows the families to grieve in peace.
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I think the enquiry will be focusing on who was the ultimate owner of the plane, why was the pilot asked to stand in at the last minute and why he was flying an N registered plane on what appears to be a commercial flight on a Private Pilot Licence, and the planes maintainence and service records
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No, first and foremost the enquiry will look at how and why the plane crashed, who owns it and operates it will be a factor but they will look at the technical issues..
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Finding a plane on the seabed is one thing if you know it's rough location..A body is another altogether with the currents..When I worked on the sea a boat I knew went down in the channel,3 bodies turned up,2 were never ever found..
Reality is that hopefully it will be washed up somewhere in the next few weeks or it never will..God rest his soul...
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Let’s hope the support that was shown to help the search for Sala extends to the pilot too..
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it wont be IDM,and in fairness neither would it be if the identification was the other way round..There is no way of finding body's if they are not in the wreckage..
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It looks from the photo’s of the wreckage like the door is open, that door I think is the p1 seat, the pilots seat, he may have managed to get out before it sank, but being 21 miles out from Gurnsey he probably perished in the sea, I did read somewhere that a flare had been spotted in that location at that time that night
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It looks from the photo’s of the wreckage like the door is open, that door I think is the p1 seat, the pilots seat, he may have managed to get out before it sank, but being 21 miles out from Gurnsey he probably perished in the sea, I did read somewhere that a flare had been spotted in that location at that time that night
Apparently it was two flares that were spotted - Lifeboat was on scene after 37 mins and SAR aircraft also launched - if he did get to the surface thta would have been the opportunity to see him.
Its so sad - but even worse that SAR and Guernsey Lifeboat have come in for alot of criticism
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It looks from the photo’s of the wreckage like the door is open, that door I think is the p1 seat, the pilots seat, he may have managed to get out before it sank, but being 21 miles out from Gurnsey he probably perished in the sea, I did read somewhere that a flare had been spotted in that location at that time that night
Apparently it was two flares that were spotted - Lifeboat was on scene after 37 mins and SAR aircraft also launched - if he did get to the surface thta would have been the opportunity to see him.
Its so sad - but even worse that SAR and Guernsey Lifeboat have come in for alot of criticism
To be fair, one man bobbing about in the water would have been like looking for a needle in a haystack
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it wont be IDM,and in fairness neither would it be if the identification was the other way round..There is no way of finding body's if they are not in the wreckage..
Is there a slim chance that the pilots body might be washed up onto a beach.
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This report from the Times
Emiliano Sala was travelling on a plane believed to belong to Scottish agent Willie McKay when he disappeared over the English Channel. The Argentine forward, who became Cardiff City’s record signing after joining the club from Nantes in a £15 million transfer last week, is feared dead after his light aircraft disappeared from radar screens, although a search has resumed this morning.
Sala was travelling in a Piper PA-46 Malibu aircraft, a single-engine, six-seat plane, with the pilot the only other passenger on board as he made the journey back to Cardiff on Monday evening after returning to Nantes to say goodbye to his former team-mates. The plane is registered to a holding company in Suffolk called Southern Aircraft Consultancy, with a registration number N264DB, but is believed to be owned by McKay, an influential and experienced agent.
Ye Gods Willie McKay fingerprints on this mess
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Another post from Pprune forum
5th Feb 2019, 13:58
‘The disappearance of Emiliano Sala is still being discussed around the world after his plane went missing en route from Nantes to Cardiff.
Maximiliano Duarte, a close friend of the footballer, has pointed the finger of blame at the player's representative.
"He is responsible," Duarte said of the representative to America Noticias.
"The great truth behind all this is that there is a culprit because Emiliano never decided to get on that plane.
"These are all obligations that one has and as a professional he accepted.
"Emi was forced to board the plane that night."
Willie McKay was the player's representative, who arranged the Piper Malibu to take him from Nantes to Cardiff.’
So, if we believe all the reports, we possibly have a pilot who didn’t want to fly at night and we have a passenger who didn’t want to fly at night meaning that the departure was forced by a person/persons who weren’t actually on board.
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Sala pilot David Ibbotson 'not qualified to fly at night'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47749265