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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: adamtherover on January 29, 2019, 07:08:44 pm
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Is this a wind up, on the free press web site it says he's sexually assaulted a woman and has been sent down for 6 months? Surely we have known this court case was go in on?
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Is this a wind up, on the free press web site it says he's sexually assaulted a woman and has been sent down for 6 months? Surely we have known this court case was go in on?
Been out through "injury" a while now which probably explains it
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Missed the bit where it said suspended!!!!!! This is where the club shows its morals!!!!
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It says on another website it's suspended for two years.
Still, this seems a bit out of the blue if it's true.
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6 months, suspended for 2 years and placed on the sex offenders register for 7 years
Full story here:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/rovers-star-admits-sexually-assaulting-woman-in-doncaster-bar-1-9564376
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Wouldn’t surprise me if we sacked him over this
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7 years on the sex offenders register, quality player or not, we can't give opposing players who have broke the law dogs abuse and accept this, because he wears red and white. Unbelievable!!!!
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Maybe if we close this thread then fans of other clubs won’t know about it.
He is hardly Renaldo in the public eye is he.
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I can't see how closing this thread achieves anything, after all it will hit the national press.
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It's not on the BBC football front page, let's hope.this negative publicity doesn't tarnish this fantastic week we have all been through.
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I can't see how closing this thread achieves anything, after all it will hit the national press.
It might now.
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Mason? Really?! Staggering how you can get the wrong impression of a person.
Stupid behaviour that has no place in the 21st century.
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It won’t achieve anything SM. There is no way of stopping these things getting out.
I have to say, I’m actually very surprised it hasn’t come out already and equally surprised at the actual news itself.
It’ll be interesting to see what the club do now though
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I can't see how closing this thread achieves anything, after all it will hit the national press.
It might now.
It's in the DFP, which is owned by Johnson Press which has about 100 other papers to its name, including the Yorkshire Post. How does this thread contribute?
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There's a very pratical way of assesing what action the club should take and that's to look at the terms of his contract.
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It won’t achieve anything SM. There is no way of stopping these things getting out.
I have to say, I’m actually very surprised it hasn’t come out already and equally surprised at the actual news itself.
It’ll be interesting to see what the club do now though
I trust the club will do the right thing.
There is no way this will get kicked into the long grass, but they will consult and decide from there.
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I see he’s mived from Edlington then, to Bawtry Road Hatfield Woodhouse, where HMP Moorland is
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Sack him.
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Get rid immediately.
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It won’t achieve anything SM. There is no way of stopping these things getting out.
I have to say, I’m actually very surprised it hasn’t come out already and equally surprised at the actual news itself.
It’ll be interesting to see what the club do now though
it says the club sent representatives to support him as he was pleading nor guilty, but changed his plea at the last minute!! This surely must alter the view of the club now?
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I see he’s mived from Edlington then, to Bawtry Road Hatfield Woodhouse, where HMP Moorland is
Lucky he isn't moving into moorlands
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What was he thinking? The poor lass he assaulted and also his career now probably on line. What a wazzock.
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Gobsmacked.!
Reading the DFP and assuming the report is accurate, then the club knew about this all along BUT stood by Mason as he claimed innocence..
However at court he’s pleaded guilty, which puts the club in a difficult situation.. in some ways it would be better if he had actually gone down and served his time, although afterwards it would still be difficult for him..
As much as I admire him as a player, you just can’t grope someone without consent..
Very sad day, as I can see him being given the boot and we can’t complain if that happens..
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Looks like Lewis will be getting his chance sooner than expected.
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Get rid at once
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There's a very pratical way of assesing what action the club should take and that's to look at the terms of his contract.
in this day and age, bringing the name.of the club Into disrepute is no.doubt in every contract!
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f**k him off. Who the f**k does he think he is?
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Looks like Lewis will be getting his chance sooner than expected.
Wonder if that is why he was brought in?
COYR
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Gobsmacked.!
Reading the DFP and assuming the report is accurate, then the club knew about this all along BUT stood by Mason as he claimed innocence..
However at court he’s pleaded guilty, which puts the club in a difficult situation.. in some ways it would be better if he had actually gone down and served his time, although afterwards it would still be difficult for him..
As much as I admire him as a player, you just can’t grope someone without consent..
Very sad day, as I can see him being given the boot and we can’t complain if that happens..
Not sure if the evidence of his DNA being found was known to the club previously. I'd get rid but I don't think he'll be the only one, I bet theres footballers all over that can't take no for an answer just because of who they are.
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
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Looks like Lewis will be getting his chance sooner than expected.
Wonder if that is why he was brought in?
COYR
sounds like a back up plan at the very least.. they would have been completely aware of the chances of a guilty verdict. And have planned accordingly.
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
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Looks like Lewis will be getting his chance sooner than expected.
Swansea fans rate him so he deserves a chance since Mason has done this. Think we should sack Mason now.
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
Talent, potential and transfer value.
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He's got zero transfer value now.
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
we pride ourselves on being a family community club with a strong emphasis on engaging with the youngsters round the borough. This is at the opposite end of the spectrum as to how the club wants its image to be seen
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
Talent, potential and transfer value.
Transfer list him and get a fee?
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
Talent, potential and transfer value.
Sorry but all of that has to go out of the window, the alternative is having a registered sex offended at right back. Not for me
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
So what?
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It's a difficult one for the club due Mason's talent and potential.
My initial reaction is for him to be let go, but you can be sure another club will forgive and forget almost immediately and sign him up.
It’s not really. No matter how good he is we can’t be a club to forsake our values just for the sake of a few quid or a player’s potential.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if we sacked him over this
He clearly has a problem where woman are concerned and his reputation is left out there for all to see . It could explain why we brought in a player from Swansea in case he got sent down . McCann needs him to make full account via the press and express regret and offer a full apology to everyone involved . He is very luck not to have done time .
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
Not sure I agree with that.. who in their right mind would plead guilty to a sexual offence just to get a lower sentence, but still then have the conviction and all that entails, if they believed themselves innocent.??
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It's gross misconduct, contract cancelled and sacked.
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If this was one of the ‘less established’ members of the squad he would be sacked immediately, given his status I would imagine Gavin and the board have a tough decision to make
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Wouldn’t be surprised if Niall didnt play on Saturday irrespective of whether the club have made a decision or not.
COYR
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I wonder if some of our fans would boo him in that case.
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Literally a criminal waste of talent. Has to go. That's his career as a professional done with, and rightly so tbh.
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If this was one of the ‘less established’ members of the squad he would be sacked immediately, given his status I would imagine Gavin and the board have a tough decision to make
How the f**k is it a tough decision?
The slag has touched up a woman without consent, lied up until the last minute, changed his plea and got found guilty.
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It's gross misconduct, contract cancelled and sacked.
Not quite that simple. The PFA will insist that due process will take place. And as I said before, I will expect the club to do the right thing.
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Literally a criminal waste of talent. Has to go. That's his career as a professional done with, and rightly so tbh.
I doubt that he will be finished altogether.
Others before him have done far worse and stayed in the game.
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It won’t achieve anything SM. There is no way of stopping these things getting out.
I have to say, I’m actually very surprised it hasn’t come out already and equally surprised at the actual news itself.
It’ll be interesting to see what the club do now though
it says the club sent representatives to support him as he was pleading nor guilty, but changed his plea at the last minute!! This surely must alter the view of the club now?
Just curious. “Club representatives” who would that mean? At what level?
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We have had players before that have had criminal records of course he should not have done it but does it warrant him being sacked im not so sure, maybe some community work within the club would be better
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Cannot see the lad ever playing for us again. Not only the incident itself but that he has seemingly led the club a dance here - albeit potentially on legal advice. Suspect he will be quietly shuffled out of the club and will take his career on elsewhere, maybe overseas.
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
So what?
What do you mean so what?
It was in response to why he changed his plea at last min, I was suggesting it may have been down to legal advice
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If this was one of the ‘less established’ members of the squad he would be sacked immediately, given his status I would imagine Gavin and the board have a tough decision to make
How the f**k is it a tough decision?
The slag has touched up a woman without consent, lied up until the last minute, changed his plea and got found guilty.
Agree 100% mate it shouldn’t be a hard decision but given recent history with footballers and criminal convictions I just feel the club won’t rush into sacking him
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Wouldn’t be surprised if Niall didnt play on Saturday irrespective of whether the club have made a decision or not.
COYR
Totally agree Gloster; it must be Lewis at right back at Pompey. I also agree with your point that Lewis might have been brought in pending the result of the court case.
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I'm not suggesting that what he has done is anything but abhorrent; however, I suggest that we have all done something in our past that we regret - I know that I have - and especially under the influence of drink.... there are a few barrack-room lawyers on here and a few folk who have a holier than thou attitude also.... I hope the club consider their options first...
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He has to go. Spare a thought for any female rovers , and there are plenty if he stays and plays. The club would basically be saying it’s ok to sexually assault women and we will tolerate it.
I’d lose my job, no question.
Many things are more important than football and footballers, and this is one of them.
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There would have been plea bargaining no doubt. Plead guilty and the sentence will be suspended. Continue with the not guilty and get found guilty, jail time.
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Remember the debate on here regarding Evans when he was found guilty
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Difference is that Mason has pleaded guilty.
Evans refused to admit guilt and contested his conviction.
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
Not sure I agree with that.. who in their right mind would plead guilty to a sexual offence just to get a lower sentence, but still then have the conviction and all that entails, if they believed themselves innocent.??
I imagine if a lawyer said you’ll get a suspended sentence if you do this but if you plead not guilty and lose you’ll get 2 years straight away, that there would be plenty that would
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Oh dear what a fool. He was becoming an excellent players for us, improving all the time & one of the first names on the team sheet for me. His career with us must be over now though.
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Difference is that Mason has pleaded guilty.
Evans refused to admit guilt and contested his conviction.
And got a big sentence
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Big difference between Fatty Evans and this case. The fraud case was somewhat victimless, whereas mason has violated another human being.
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Difference is that Mason has pleaded guilty.
Evans refused to admit guilt and contested his conviction.
And he was eventually found not guilty......
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
So what?
What do you mean so what?
It was in response to why he changed his plea at last min, I was suggesting it may have been down to legal advice
Apologies - I thought you were offering that as a point regarding his future with us.
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This ,unfortunately for Niall Mason , who I too value highly as a player ,is totally at odds with our club’s image and contavenes our ethical values as a Community Club.There wil be contractual issues to settle but there is no doubt in my mind that he must seek alternative employers .
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Oh dear what a fool. He was becoming an excellent players for us, improving all the time & one of the first names on the team sheet for me. His career with us must be over now though.
His career won’t be over.
What about people like McCormick, who in my opinion did something far worse.
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Irrespective of how abhorrent we find this, he hasn’t killed anyone and there are players out there that have and carried on playing.
COYR
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Big difference between Fatty Evans and this case. The fraud case was somewhat victimless, whereas mason has violated another human being.
Wrong Evans...
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
His DNA on her bra, she said no.
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
Not sure I agree with that.. who in their right mind would plead guilty to a sexual offence just to get a lower sentence, but still then have the conviction and all that entails, if they believed themselves innocent.??
I imagine if a lawyer said you’ll get a suspended sentence if you do this but if you plead not guilty and lose you’ll get 2 years straight away, that there would be plenty that would
The cps would not have decided to charge unless the case passed the threshold meaning there was a realistic chance of conviction. Mason would have been advised this, but for whatever reason thought he would push it as far as he could in the hope the case collapsed.
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Oh dear what a fool. He was becoming an excellent players for us, improving all the time & one of the first names on the team sheet for me. His career with us must be over now though.
His career won’t be over.
What about people like McCormick, who in my opinion did something far worse.
It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
The only account we need from Mason is his guilty plea.
The rest of his account is for the National Probation Service to deal with.
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Irrespective of how abhorrent we find this, he hasn’t killed anyone and there are players out there that have and carried on playing.
COYR
Marlon King a convicted rapist went on to resume his career as well.
He may well be finished at Doncaster Rovers but to suggest his career is over is a bit over the top.
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Literally a criminal waste of talent. Has to go. That's his career as a professional done with, and rightly so tbh.
I doubt that he will be finished altogether.
Others before him have done far worse and stayed in the game.
This is true I suppose, but I'm not sure many professional clubs will want to take a punt on him for the next 7 years while he's a registered sex offender. After that he'll be 29, but he can forget about playing any higher than L2 and earning retirement money.
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Oh dear what a fool. He was becoming an excellent players for us, improving all the time & one of the first names on the team sheet for me. His career with us must be over now though.
His career won’t be over.
What about people like McCormick, who in my opinion did something far worse.
It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
Well that is a matter of opinion.
I would think that the parents of the kids who died would think differently.
Also, I seem to recall that McCormick was guilty of drink driving, driving without insurance as well as the death by dangerous driving.
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
His DNA on her bra, she said no.
It also states that at a party after this incident they were sat down together.
Evans got slaughtered similar to this and then a few years later he’s alright again.
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Irrespective of how abhorrent we find this, he hasn’t killed anyone and there are players out there that have and carried on playing.
COYR
Marlon King a convicted rapist went on to resume his career as well.
He may well be finished at Doncaster Rovers but to suggest his career is over is a bit over the top.
I stand to be corrected but I believe Marlon King was convicted of sexual assault and causing actual bodily harm - rather than rape.
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
His DNA on her bra, she said no.
I didn’t think you could get DNA from a handprint, I thought it had to come from a tissue sample or from bodily fluid
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Looks like the forum are ready to hang him, so I guess he must deserve it, .............though a cold account is not allowing context
Ive seen older guys ogling young girls all the time on a Weekend in many towns and cities,
I’ve heard ignorant neandethols stinking of booze and fags besmirching the very nature of these young starlets ....... and yes I find it quite disgusting...I do have a daughter !
Yes he has done something terrible and yes he should be and has been punished.....
But I won’t allow a sensationalist writers opinion be the only version, I would like to hear the Guilty parties account first before he is hung
afterall papers do not sell themselves...
His DNA on her bra, she said no.
I didn’t think you could get DNA from a handprint, I thought it had to come from a tissue sample or from bodily fluid
Sweat is a bodily fluid
COYR
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This is a serious offence, I would have thought the club would have suspended him pending the investigation. That aside as good as he is he can not remain with the club and a statement should be done as a matter of urgency.
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Irrespective of how abhorrent we find this, he hasn’t killed anyone and there are players out there that have and carried on playing.
COYR
Marlon King a convicted rapist went on to resume his career as well.
He may well be finished at Doncaster Rovers but to suggest his career is over is a bit over the top.
I stand to be corrected but I believe Marlon King was convicted of sexual assault and causing actual bodily harm - rather than rape.
On closer inspection you appear to be correct.
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We can sack him for breach of contract but still get a fee for him.
Sunderland did this with a couple of their players
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Regardless of what happens next ar DRFC, he’s going to get ripped by opposing fans wherever he plays..
That Plymouth goalie admitted admitted his guilt, served time and was remorseful..
He gets dogs abuse still but is OK for playing..
Regardless of anyone’s opinion, Ched Evans has his conviction quashed, but is still disliked by many for getting himself into that situation..
Mason has been convicted having plead guilty. I think he would be better serving his time and then rebuilding after his career, wherever that would be.
How the hell does the club deal with a player on a suspended sentence for a sex offence.?!
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DNA evidence isn't actually that reliable, at least it's not (always) some smoking gun like it's made out to be in the films. It doesn't mean it can't be used as part of a larger picture though, and given this offence seems to have been very public I don't think that was the only piece of evidence that got him.
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
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Was that a sexual assault and was he placed on the second offenders list.??
To many that makes a huge difference, and should be a massive deterrent to anyone whether they have had a drink or not.
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DNA evidence isn't actually that reliable, at least it's not (always) some smoking gun like it's made out to be in the films. It doesn't mean it can't be used as part of a larger picture though, and given this offence seems to have been very public I don't think that was the only piece of evidence that got him.
He pleaded guilty. That means he admitted doing it.
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Tough one. Should he lose his job over it? Not sure what that achieves in terms of his life, though it is his fault.
However, do I want him playing for my club? No not at all.
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
Not sure I agree with that.. who in their right mind would plead guilty to a sexual offence just to get a lower sentence, but still then have the conviction and all that entails, if they believed themselves innocent.??
if you had the option to plead out and not go to prison even if it ment you would you do go on sex offenders register what would you do
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Depends how much we want to win promotion. Obviously what he’s done is totally wrong and he’s massively let himself and the club down - but let’s face it, his career isn’t over and this will not end it. Someone else will take him just like Marlon King, Lee Hughes etc. He’s a quality player and a valuable asset who should face consequences but not lose his job - not when he’s so important to us.
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
Fair point
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
The offence was almost ten years before we employed him, and he had many other jobs before us
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DNA evidence isn't actually that reliable, at least it's not (always) some smoking gun like it's made out to be in the films. It doesn't mean it can't be used as part of a larger picture though, and given this offence seems to have been very public I don't think that was the only piece of evidence that got him.
He pleaded guilty. That means he admitted doing it.
Rightly or wrongly, people plead guilty to ensure a lighter punishment
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
The offence was almost ten years before we employed him, and he had many other jobs before us
OK - so should we make a bid for Ched Evans then?
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DNA is very reliable most cases are settled on DNA evidence and is 99% accurate especially when found on major part of the crime.
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DNA is very reliable most cases are settled on DNA evidence and is 99% accurate especially when found on major part of the crime.
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Out of Interest, does anyone know any fans of a Club that has signed a player after they have served time v for a nasty offence, and what is the actual view of the fans regarding a criminal playing for their own team. We assume rhat they are all onside and love a bad.boy etc. But for all we know 99% could despise the said player?
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
The offence was almost ten years before we employed him, and he had many other jobs before us
DF was a convicted woman beater though.
Does our forum condone that?
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Well this is desperately disappointing news.
Puts a real dampener on all the recent positivity.
Can’t really see how we can offer him a new contract now.
It just wouldn’t be right and would send out the wrong message.
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Metalmickey I was replying to a earlier post where he said DNA is not reliable.
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DNA evidence isn't actually that reliable, at least it's not (always) some smoking gun like it's made out to be in the films. It doesn't mean it can't be used as part of a larger picture though, and given this offence seems to have been very public I don't think that was the only piece of evidence that got him.
He pleaded guilty. That means he admitted doing it.
Rightly wot wrongly, people plead guilty to ensure a lighter punishment
Reading the article, to me, that is probably what he did, he’s got his hand underneath her top and inside her bra without any struggle or resistance apart from her saying he could n’t go there, thats how I’m reading it any way
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It’s incredibly disappointing he’s let everyone down - I think our board will take a very dim view of such antics & tear up his contract. Another example of why footballers are footballers and not brain surgeons - good job we have a thoroughly decent lad namely Matty Blair who has been outstanding recently particularly when playing out of position at fullback
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He may have been advised to plead guilty to get a suspended sentence,
Plead not guilty and lose and get sent down there and then
Not sure I agree with that.. who in their right mind would plead guilty to a sexual offence just to get a lower sentence, but still then have the conviction and all that entails, if they believed themselves innocent.??
if you had the option to plead out and not go to prison even if it ment you would you do go on sex offenders register what would you do
I wouldn’t do the crime in the first place.!!
If I was accused and knew I was innocent I would fight tooth and nail to clear my name..
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But then you could end up like ched Evans
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I suspect none of us here know what the club’s disciplinary policy and procedures actually are, especially for a case like this..
The easy option is to terminate his contract.
Played devils advocate here, how about a club suspension for the rest of the season.? Effectively outndor the same amount of time as the actual sentence.?
Whatever happens, I believe the club needs to take into account how it is embedded within the community, as I think it will do, when dealing with this situation.
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A different crime and no custodial sentence - but in 2008 Darren Ferguson was fined for assaulting his estranged wife. He originally plead not guilty and changed his plea at last minute to accept the fine. We subsequently then employed him.
The offence was almost ten years before we employed him, and he had many other jobs before us
OK - so should we make a bid for Ched Evans then?
I can’t think of any reason whatsoever why we wouldn’t if the manager thinks he’d improve us
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DNA is very reliable most cases are settled on DNA evidence and is 99% accurate especially when found on major part of the crime.
Far from it. DNA testing - and forensic science in general - is far from 99% accurate as it can be wrongly applied and wrongly interpreted by juries. Not saying that's what happened in this case, Mason admitted it and there were no doubt tons of witnesses and whatever else, but this article is worth a read: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-surprisingly-imperfect-science-of-dna-testing-2/
DNA isn't useless and it can be useful under perfect conditions, but those conditions rarely occur!
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But then you could end up like ched Evans
No, because in terms of public perception or celebrity, I am a nobody..
Of course I would fight to clear my name, wouldn’t you.??
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Cut all ties with this player and preserve the clubs good name don't let one player no matter how good he is ruin the clubs reputation with the community.
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When is his contract up?
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When is his contract up?
Five months.
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As much as I hate to say it he has to go
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When is his contract up?
Five months.
Maybe the club will suspend him and then not offer a new contract
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He seemed a decent and hard-working lad on pitch and no big timer. Shame he has let so many people down and particularly has impacted the life of that lass. Hope she can recover and that he can think very carefully about what he wants to do with rest of his life in the game. Certainly if he has a career it will be on different trajectory now.
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Lewis is a proper right back so suspect he will drop in there now.
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But then you could end up like ched Evans
No, because in terms of public perception or celebrity, I am a nobody..
Of course I would fight to clear my name, wouldn’t you.??
Doesn’t have anything to do with public perception I meant with regards to being sent to prison for a number of years for something you didn’t do.
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This is Niall Mason's father
I can categorically state that today was a mistrial of justice and anyone in court would have seen that.
The evidence of the full cctv of the alleged event was not shown properly to its end in court and it clearly shows that nothing untoward happened.
Niall has been scared into pleading guilty to an offence he didn't commit by bad advice.
He was simply asked to take a photo with a girl and her friend which he always does .How this has ever gone to court is madness. Footballers are targeted all the time and what happened today is so wrong.
I have been through this football journey with Niall for all his whole life and anyone who knows Niall will tell you the same...he is not this person. he is a caring and kind person and a dedicated professional who works hard every day to be the best he can...he has had to live with this over his head for a year now, but never let the club down once.
Doncaster fans have always been really good to Niall and I would ask for the same to get through this.
He really wants to put this whole ordeal behind him and get on with his life and career
He has sacrificed his childhood and teenage years to make it as a professional and would not have done any such thing to put his career in jeopardy.
Thank you for your understanding....
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How many tines do I need to say it, if I didn’t commit the crime I would fight to clear my name..
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How many tines do I need to say it, if I didn’t commit the crime I would fight to clear my name..
Absolutely. An SSO isn't a get off, particularly when the conviction means someone is required to sign the sex offender register for seven years. That will most likely come with a sexual harm prevention order which carries an often long list of restrictions.
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Hate stuff like this, why can't football stay about football. I hope the girl can recover and that Niall learns and grows because of this. If thats with us or someone else i'm not sure.
Certainly hard for the club not to sack him but it can set a precedent other players have had run ins with the law or unethical behaviour. Lots of people will/would of been affected, Wilks and Copps in the current squad off the top of my head then Darren Ferguson as manager, Diouf who was always doing immoral things and Woods and Brown who got caught up in a scandal which while not illegal would fit in the brining a family club into disrepute category.
Remember the courts are dealing with him from a law point of view any punishment/action we take is from a football club ethics point of view which is why we need to be clear we either sack anyone caught offending or brining the club into disrepute or we don't. Imagine you get sacked at your job for say losing your driving license and you find out your colleague lost his years ago but kept his job/reputation...
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How many tines do I need to say it, if I didn’t commit the crime I would fight to clear my name..
Yes I know, which in Evans case meant going to prison for a number of years
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Please don't compare horse race fixing with sexual assault.
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Maybe we should have sacked him.
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Very, very stupid boy. You can never judge a character, especially when under the influence. On face value it would seem out of character.
Personally, I dont think it should affect his future employment with us but let it be a massive life lesson and an example to everyone on the playing staff how not to behave.
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Please don't compare horse race fixing with sexual assault.
But its behaviour that brings the club into disrepute through our association/employment of him. The courts deal with punishment legally the club can only act on ethical principals. It's a minefield if we aren't consistent.
Where do you stand on the employment of Ferguson who was found guilty of beating his wife? thats a closer parallel to Masons offence
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Not sure he beat her. He got fined £1500.
Common assault could mean something like he pushed her,
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Please don't compare horse race fixing with sexual assault.
But its behaviour that brings the club into disrepute through our association/employment of him. The courts deal with punishment legally the club can only act on ethical principals. It's a minefield if we aren't consistent.
Where do you stand on the employment of Ferguson who was found guilty of beating his wife? thats a closer parallel to Masons offence
I don't believe it does, as long as its dealt with and the club has in place reasonable measures to reduce the risk of players putting themselves in these positions.
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Not sure he beat her. He got fined £1500.
Common assault could mean something like he pushed her,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2296930/Darren-Ferguson-fined-after-wife-assault.html
Hit her in the stomach with his knee. Hes an arsehole as well
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Please don't compare horse race fixing with sexual assault.
But its behaviour that brings the club into disrepute through our association/employment of him. The courts deal with punishment legally the club can only act on ethical principals. It's a minefield if we aren't consistent.
Where do you stand on the employment of Ferguson who was found guilty of beating his wife? thats a closer parallel to Masons offence
I didn't want him hired.
Either way, it's not comparable to a violent sexual offence.
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Not sure he beat her. He got fined £1500.
Common assault could mean something like he pushed her,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2296930/Darren-Ferguson-fined-after-wife-assault.html
Hit her in the stomach with his knee. Hes an arsehole as well
Doesn’t mention his knee,
Anyhow he wouldn’t have walked away with a £1500 fine if he’d beaten her up
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Not sure he beat her. He got fined £1500.
Common assault could mean something like he pushed her,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2296930/Darren-Ferguson-fined-after-wife-assault.html
Hit her in the stomach with his knee. Hes an arsehole as well
Doesn’t mention his knee,
Anyhow he wouldn’t have walked away with a £1500 fine if he’d beaten her up
“Raised his leg and collided with her stomach”.
Must have kicked her then if it wasn’t his knee.
Either way it is an assault.
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We're all so judgemental without knowing the true facts. Our moral compasses may vary a little however the matter has been dealt with by someone who had the facts at their disposal. I would like to think and hope Niall is not a sexual predator but just got too carried away with his own importance and vanity in a mad moment of weakness.
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Almost forgot about this episode.
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2012/october/statement-from-james-coppinger/
Please don't compare horse race fixing with sexual assault.
But its behaviour that brings the club into disrepute through our association/employment of him. The courts deal with punishment legally the club can only act on ethical principals. It's a minefield if we aren't consistent.
Where do you stand on the employment of Ferguson who was found guilty of beating his wife? thats a closer parallel to Masons offence
I didn't want him hired.
Either way, it's not comparable to a violent sexual offence.
Was Masons offence violent?
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No doubt that Mason has let himself, the football club and most importantly the victim down with his behaviour. There’s no positive spin that can be put on it.
He has been punished through the courts and has to live with what he’s done. The club have a difficult decision to make and I will back them whichever way they decide to go. If he’s to stay then I feel there needs to be a full, frank and genuine apology along with some form of restorative practice work to try and bring something good from this. Not that I’m in any way condoning what he’s done, but people do get second chances in life. If the club decide to sack him I will understand it. It’d be a big shame as he’s such a good player but there’s more to the decision than that.
It’s not a call I’d relish making if I was McCann or Baldwin. I trust their judgement on this.
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I’ve seen the cctv and know about the case, he got off very lightly, and deserves everything he gets. Sack him now.
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Imagine if he played for Barnsley, Rotherham, Sheff W/Utd, Scunny, Leeds etc.
How different this thread would be.
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I’ve seen the cctv and know about the case, he got off very lightly, and deserves everything he gets. Sack him now.
In what capacity have you viewed the cctv?
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this.
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Not sure he beat her. He got fined £1500.
Common assault could mean something like he pushed her,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2296930/Darren-Ferguson-fined-after-wife-assault.html
Hit her in the stomach with his knee. Hes an arsehole as well
Doesn’t mention his knee,
Anyhow he wouldn’t have walked away with a £1500 fine if he’d beaten her up
“Raised his leg and collided with her stomach”.
Must have kicked her then if it wasn’t his knee.
Either way it is an assault.
It is yes,
It’s common assault, punished with a small fine
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
He said the cctv footage was shown but not in its entirety. So whether it was a trial or not they showed this evidence but only showed part of it.
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I am so sad to hear this.
AS I see it he has been punished and he now has to live with the embarrassment of what happened that night, not to mention his family.
I have no doubt that he was under the effects of substances which affected his judgement making process that night. That's no excuse but it explains what happened.
(I think to varying degrees we all have had our judgement making process affected by alcohol at sometime in our lives and had to accept the punishment)
I would hope the club takes its time in coming to a conclusion in making the right decision for the club.
Footballers in general must accept they are not above the law.
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
He said the cctv footage was shown but not in its entirety. So whether it was a trial or not they showed this evidence but only showed part of it.
Presumably the CCTV will have been shown during sentencing. If they wanted to contest this then don't enter a guilty plea.
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For Donny Rover to have seen the cctv he/she must work either for a firm of solicitors, a company that monitors cctv cameras, or for the police service, and if any of these are correct I very much doubt your employer would be happy about you mentioning it on a football forum. You could get into trouble yourself.
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For Donny Rover to have seen the cctv he/she must work either for a firm of solicitors, a company that monitors cctv cameras, or for the police service, and if any of these are correct I very much doubt your employer would be happy about you mentioning it on a football forum. You could get into trouble yourself.
Or was sat in the public gallery...
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Do people sat in the public gallery get to see that sort of evidence ?
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Do people sat in the public gallery get to see that sort of evidence ?
In most cases I've witnessed, yes.
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As someone who works with ex offenders and employs them , people deserve a second chance , you may come on here and have a go at at me about this if we sack him what will it archive he Will get another club as he has a talent, let him do community work , and one
night when drunk should divine the rest off of your life.
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Anyone saying that they wouldn’t plead guilty if they were innocent is being very naive. Countless numbers of innocent people have pleaded guilty, usually on the advice of their legal representatives in order to avoid the very real possibility of going to prison. Not saying that’s what has happened here, rather just making a wider, general point.
Whatever the club decide I’ll back them 100%. Personally I’d like to see him stay. He’s already been punished by the law. I have no unrealistic expectation that footballers have to be good people. They just have to be good at football. I know most people won’t agree with me on that but it’s just how I see it.
If the club do sack him then I will understand completely. They will have done what they think is right for the club and I will back their decision 100%.
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I believe people are responsible for their own actions and should except the consequences of those actions and decisions.
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one error should not divine his life , he is 22 we all make mistakes
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one error should not divine his life , he is 22 we all make mistakes
You are Right it shouldn’t define his life, but it will ,as he has damaged his reputation and being in the public eye he will run the gauntlet of thousands of football supporters each week and who take full advantage of any chance to humiliate him . He will just have play on and learn to live with it. RTiD.
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Is everyone entitled to a second chance, I think we would all want that if it was us. He who casts the first stone and all that
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Just think about if it was your daughter what would you want to happen to him? Yes we all make mistakes especially when we've been drinking, and we all have to face the consequences of these mistakes.
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There's mistakes and then there's commiting sexual assault! I'm appalled he's been allowed to play for the club since his arrest unless he's done what the currently incarcerated ex Middlesbrough, Man City and Sunderland winger allegedly did and lied about his innocence, only admitted his guilt at his trial/much later down the line. I'm hoping the club have already taken the right and proper course of action against him (terminated his contract) since he was charged. What kind of message does it send out if they continue to employ him, that we support sex offenders?
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There's mistakes and then there's commiting sexual assault! I'm appalled he's been allowed to play for the club since his arrest unless he's done what the currently incarcerated ex Middlesbrough, Man City and Sunderland winger allegedly did and lied about his innocence, only admitted his guilt at his trial/much later down the line. I'm hoping the club have already taken the right and proper course of action against him (terminated his contract) since he was charged. What kind of message does it send out if they continue to employ him, that we support sex offenders?
were you appalled that Darren Ferguson was our manager after assaulting his wife?
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
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I trust Grant Mccann and the club to do what they feel is necessary. They will not doubt know the full details of what's happened. If they feel he has a future at drfc then we have to go with that and all support the desision. The last hinges we need now is some sections of the stands not getting behind Mason.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
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That’s what he’s saying though, if the events didn’t happen as portrayed in court
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There's mistakes and then there's commiting sexual assault! I'm appalled he's been allowed to play for the club since his arrest unless he's done what the currently incarcerated ex Middlesbrough, Man City and Sunderland winger allegedly did and lied about his innocence, only admitted his guilt at his trial/much later down the line. I'm hoping the club have already taken the right and proper course of action against him (terminated his contract) since he was charged. What kind of message does it send out if they continue to employ him, that we support sex offenders?
Does being advised to plead guilty to receive a lesser sentence mean you’ve lied about your guilt
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Just think about if it was your daughter what would you want to happen to him? Yes we all make mistakes especially when we've been drinking, and we all have to face the consequences of these mistakes.
Just think about what if he was your son and said that the reported events were not what actually happened.
Would you cast him out or support him when he needed you.
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That’s what he’s saying though, if the events didn’t happen as portrayed in court
They literally found DNA in her bra and if there's CCTV... Not sure what more you can use. If there's more context to it he still groped her to a point she felt like she had to get them kicked out and report it to the police.
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As has been said already on this thread let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Which is not to condone the conduct but merely to put it in the context that I expect we have all done things of which we should be truly ashamed.
The Courts have dealt with Nial Mason, IMHO it should not be the business of a football club to add to the punishment. If the lad can demonstrate that he has genuine remorse and shows contrition I would hope that most people could try to understand his dreadful mistake and try to forgive the unforgivable. In time it will diminish in most people's memory, today's newspaper, tomorrow's chip paper.
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/april/rovers-recognised-as-top-family-club/ (https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2018/april/rovers-recognised-as-top-family-club/)
We all make mistakes - one should not blight your life - people are convicted of Manslaughter and come out (and back) as Soap Opera "superstars" but reading the above article is enough for me
We have lost Players for all sorts of reasons - Transferred out - Death - serious injury - not good enough and yet we as a Club still field 11 Players and 5 /6 Subs each week and have done with varying degrees of success since 1879
Our fans are apoplectic when Plymouths "murderer" plays here or Ched Evans and so imo we cant have it both ways
Niall Mason is without doubt a very good Full back / and Centre Back but I dont think the Club should keep him as what he has been convisted of is at direct odds with the article above.
He has made what looks like a big mistake - he is a good footballer without doubt - and like Ched Evans will find employment elsewhere and we should let him go and continue his career elsewhere and we will still have 16 Players at Pompey and v Posh and Palace
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Statement on the DROS this morning.
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Statement on the DROS this morning.
The club has been aware of the allegation against Niall Mason dating to February 18 2018, which he has always strongly denied.
He changed his plea shortly before Tuesday’s hearing, which resulted in the conviction. The club will consider its options, and will be making no further comment.
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I like Nial as a player.
His contract is up in the summer and can see the club letting him see his contract through allowing him time to find another club.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
Do you take the word of all sex offenders who deny their conviction or only the word of sex offenders who play for DRFC?
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Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.
If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.
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Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.
If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.
And pulling her hair to pull her head towards him and groping her breast...
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People are saying he deserves a second chance, if he had gone to prison he would have had to complete a sex offenders treatment programme before being released this would be to help him and how to deal with a situation like this if it ever occurred again. However he received a lesser sentence but only started that sentence yesterday the sentence being 2 years suspended so before he even gets a second chance he should see some form of punishment not just carry on with life as though nothing has happened. In my oppinion his contract should be terminated and he needs to go away and contemplate what he has done not only to himself but the lady concerned. Also us as fans need to be aware that this could be a local girl who has access to this forum and she could be reading your comments which could make her feel already worse than she probably feels already, remember she is the victom here and I hope she can recover from this.
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What a rediculous poll!
Let the professionals deal with it.
It is a public interest story as being on the Sex Offenders List is a public document. Football fans are Fathers , Mothers Daughters etc and as we all pay to watch DRFC the damage to both reputation’s of club and player are in question and the club will not wish to make a decision that is contra to public opinion or not in the clubs best interests of everyone effected . A Vox poll represents only a fraction of what Is the bread and butter of the club it’s supporters but will effect their decision ion as to what they do next.
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Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.
If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.
And pulling her hair to pull her head towards him and groping her breast...
I’ve not read anywhere that it says he groped her breasts. I might have missed some of the info put out but if you’ve just made that up you should be careful what you put out there.
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What a rediculous poll!
Let the professionals deal with it.
It is a public interest story as being on the Sex Offenders List is a public document. Football fans are Fathers , Mothers Daughters etc and as we all pay to watch DRFC the damage to both reputation’s of club and player are in question and the club will not wish to make a decision that is contra to public opinion or not in the clubs best interests of everyone effected . A Vox poll represents only a fraction of what Is the bread and butter of the club it’s supporters but will effect their decision ion as to what they do next.
The club will not be making any decisions based on the outputs from an internet forum.
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Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.
If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.
I agree with what you say it's a very different offence.
However, he should be treated the same as anyone else in any other job. I don't know how that would be legally.
Equally I don't know what he's told the club, the hints are he changed his stance very late on and that could make a big difference.
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I’ve not read anywhere that it says he groped her breasts. I might have missed some of the info put out but if you’ve just made that up you should be careful what you put out there.
It says it in the DFP article, which is quoting the prosecutor.
As a father of two young girls, and as a human being, Mason should be sacked this morning. Whether he, or anyone else likes it, he is a role model for young children and the message cannot be that you just say sorry for this sort of behaviour and get to keep your privileged job. I don't care who the club employed in the past, or what they did - we are talking about the here and the now.
He has pleaded guilty and that is what is important. If he was 100% innocent he should have fought for his innocence and gone through the appeals process if required. Ched Evans did and has gone on to play again as an innocent man.
And finally, to hear some fans talk about "he just touched her tit" is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed that your are advocates of sexual assault, and if anyone ever voices that opinion around me I will tell them the same.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
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Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.
If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.
And pulling her hair to pull her head towards him and groping her breast...
I’ve not read anywhere that it says he groped her breasts. I might have missed some of the info put out but if you’ve just made that up you should be careful what you put out there.
DFP:
"Mr Stables described how Mason then proceeded to slip his hand up the woman's jumper and began to rub the skin on her back, before moving his hand away and telling the woman to 'cover up’.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, ignored Mason, and readjusted her jumper.
Mr Stables said Mason then put his hand up the woman's jumper once again, but this time fondled the woman's right breast underneath her bra."
Read more at: https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/rovers-star-admits-sexually-assaulting-woman-in-doncaster-bar-1-9564376
With a case of sexual assault, this is a fundamental detail. You should have read the report more thoroughly before saying we should take his word.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
Disgusting attitude.
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Such a shame that the lead up to rovers historic fa cup game is being overshadowed by this.
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What people need to remember here is that just because he changed his plea at the end does not mean he was definetly fibbing or misleading the club.
Its all very well people saying if they were innocent they would fight to the very end but sometimes its just not that simple.I know someone who was accused of a very serious sexual offence after a drunken night out..He was adamant and still is to this day that he was innocent.A week before the trial his Barrister told him that in his opinion it was 50/50 he would get convicted.
If he pleaded not guilty but was found guilty he would be looking at 6-8 years or so but if he pleaded guilty he would get 2 years..In the end he took the 2 years because he couldn't take the chance...
The problem with situations like this is you never get to here the full facts that a trial would have to show,you get a synopsis from the prosecution that the judge uses for sentencing...
Now I'm not for one minute condoning Mason,he's been very stupid and like others have said I'm not sure he has a future here but that's up to the club to make a call...
The disappointing thing is that the feel good moment around the club of reaching the 5th round and drawing a Prem club has gone and now a shadow has been cast that will effect everybody,including the players...
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If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?
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If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?
apparently forgive him because "we all make mistakes"
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the attitude of the other players towards him now. Those with daughters especially maybe now won't want to give him the time of day, and if that is the case, he's on shakey ground..
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How sad that an ostensibly decent intelligent young man should do such a stupid indecent act.
The easiest action by the club is to dismiss him the most difficult would be to keep him , help him reintegrate into the club and back to the values we all aspire to represent .
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
The legal process determined this.?
If we reacted to the Ched Evans case both initially and subsequently by what the courts decided, then surely we must do the same with Mason..?
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If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?
She would have just slapped him or walked away before it got that far. If it was Coppinger that cracked on with her I’d have invited him to my house and tucked them both in.
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If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?
She would have just slapped him or walked away before it got that far. If it was Coppinger that cracked on with her I’d have invited him to my house and tucked them both in.
It's easy to say that someone would fight back when being sexually assaulted. Research tells us that many victims freeze, as it's suggested the victim in this case did.
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My wife would have slapped him (or anyone) if they have put a hand up her jumper in a bar.
The second part of the said incident would not have had the chance to happen.
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Can I just say, not all late guilty pleas are actually guilty fact
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Probably not vicar, but in the eyes of the law a guilty plea means guilty..
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Sack him. It's also a shame we can't sack some of our fans.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
Disgusting attitude.
Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this.
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Admin, can this be put in “off topic” please
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Admin, can this be put in “off topic” please
Can't think of a more appropriate ON topic today. One DRFC player has been charged and sentenced for sexual assault in a court of law. Nothing to hide.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
Disgusting attitude.
Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this.
What evidence do you have that suggests she gave him consent to grope her in public?
None.
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It’s not hiding it, if people want to talk about it they can in there.
Personally it’s detracting away from what should be a happy time for rovers supporters.
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If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.
If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.
Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?
Disgusting attitude.
Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this.
What evidence do you have that suggests she gave him consent to grope her in public?
None.
Where did I say that?
You need to consider all possibilities, and not jump to conclusions.
As has been pointed out, a guilty plea is not proof of guilt.
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Mason was on track to becoming a great asset for the club but no player is bigger then the club and it’s morals , get rid today for me
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Mason was on track to becoming a great asset for the club but no player is bigger then the club and it’s morals , get rid today for me
100% agree.
The club have to accept what the courts have decided and what Nial has accepted, that he is guilty.
If they stand by him it sets a dangerous precedent. By all means in private they can tell him they whatever they like, but publicly it's not a hard decision to make.
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I am no legal expert but if an accused pleads guilty then surely that takes the burden of proof away from the prosecution..
The court verdict is guilty, as it was in Evans’ original case.
We should respect the court verdict, but also the subsequent legal process if there was to be an appeal.
Does anyone in here actually have access to all tee evidence available to the court in Mason’s case.?? Are any of us barristers or in the legal profession to have a qualified opinion.?
Or are we just expressing opinions bases in no facts at all.??
It would have been for the prosecution to prove that Mason had acted without consent, had he entered a not guilty plea, so it is utterly pointless anyone in here questioning whether there was or was not consent.
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DNA is very reliable most cases are settled on DNA evidence and is 99% accurate especially when found on major part of the crime.
Far from it. DNA testing - and forensic science in general - is far from 99% accurate as it can be wrongly applied and wrongly interpreted by juries. Not saying that's what happened in this case, Mason admitted it and there were no doubt tons of witnesses and whatever else, but this article is worth a read: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-surprisingly-imperfect-science-of-dna-testing-2/
DNA isn't useless and it can be useful under perfect conditions, but those conditions rarely occur!
Not really relevant regarding Nial Mason's case but more on DNA evidence
Your example was in 2010. The science has expanded massively since then as have the techniques for obtaining the DNA. I was a juror at two Crown Court trials that both involved DNA testing. We were told by a forensic scientist how DNA may help or hinder our deliberations. The first was an attempted robbery of an ATM using a JCB. Some discarded clothing was found that had a match with one of the defendants DNA. He admitted it was his coat but claimed he wasn't wearing it at the time of the offence as he claimed the coat was frequently passed around his gypsy community. What the DNA couldn't prove was that he was wearing it at the time of the attempted robbery only that he had worn it at some time. As this was the main evidence against this defendant he was released. DNA did support other evidence in the second trial that the semen on a young girl's blanket belonged to the paedophile that we convicted. He got 14 yrs.
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Paul Godwin reporting there will be no comment from the club today.
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Personally I think he’s finished - however in the past we’ve had at least 2 players convicted of man slaughter, an armed robber the list goes on. Having said that the club now is deeply rooted in the community and is family & fan friendly throughout & is unrecognisable from the standards we used to apply back in the 90’s & Conference years - I don’t envy the board but trust that they’ll take the right decision
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I've just found out about this and am shocked and appalled. His contract should be terminated by the club immediately, he has been convicted of a sexual assault. We all make mistakes, sure, but when we make mistakes like this that can have a profound and serious affect on victims then we must all face the consequences of that mistake. Mason's consequences are on him for behaving this way. I don't want to see people who would do something like this associated with our club.
Some of the things said in this thread are a disgrace, too. Imagine if your wife, girlfriend or daughter were subject to this in a bar, or anywhere. Would you find all these excuses and justifications for it? You cannot go around grabbing people by the hair, putting your hands up their clothes without permission and groping them when they have told you not to. It's horrendous.
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let him do community work
I would imagine the community work that rovers do, a lot of coaching with schools and children will now be unavailable to a registered sex offender, but I could be wrong. As I’m not yet a parent, I don’t know how a lot parents would feel about having their kids interact with someone who has been charged and classed as someone who is
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I reacted angrily last night and still think he should be let go, but having had time to digest it and think calmly, I really do not envy the club having to go through this process of deciding what to do. I personally would find it very hard to clap or cheer him on now
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I think we should also remember that this offence was not against a minor, so any comparisons like that are irrelevant.
Not condoning the crime, but let’s not make this worse than it already is.?
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Let the girl decide his fate
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I think we should also remember that this offence was not against a minor, so any comparisons like that are irrelevant.
Not condoning the crime, but let’s not make this worse than it already is.?
Of course it wasn’t, and there is different degrees of severity. However, you are either a sex offender or you are not, and he is.
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As I've posted much earlier in this thread, just cancelling his contract on the spot is not an option. There are processes to go through, including discussions with the PFA etc, and once that is complete the club will make a decision.
Trust them to do the right thing.
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Let the girl decide his fate but for me he should go
No let the justice system & his employer decide his fate. Punishments have to be consistent the victim is obviously too close to the crime to act impartially
As I've said on this thread before sacking Mason for bringing the club into disrepute will create a precedent that anyone who brings the club into disrepute will also be sacked. It's very dangerous ground to start deciding which illegal or unethical acts are fall into this category.
Are we then as a club condoning assault by employing Ferguson or race fixing with coppinger and whatever Wilks was on trial for too? Or is the difference that this was sexual, are we ok with violence/illegality so long as there is no hint of sexual misconduct? In theory if DRFC sack Mason and not the others (granted DF is gone) then we are condoning what they did as morally acceptable by the club. Doesn't this make us less of a family club? Maintaining neutrality and helping the authorities in anyway is perhaps the best way forward to avoid a minefield.
For what it's worth I don't mind if Mason stays or goes i just think its a difficult decision for a club to really get involved in
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I said when wilks (assault) trial situation was brought to the attention of the club that he should be sent back to his parent club even though he was not proved innocent or guilty at the time. The reason for this is that we pride our selves on being a family and community club and could do without the negative publicity so Mason actually being found guilty of this crime and no doubt it is a crime he definitely should go if only to show that the club stands by its community and this girl is part of the community in cases like this i believe football comes second.
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I said when wilks (assault) trial situation was brought to the attention of the club that he should be sent back to his parent club even though he was not proved innocent or guilty at the time. The reason for this is that we pride our selves on being a family and community club and could do without the negative publicity so Mason actually being found guilty of this crime and no doubt it is a crime he definitely should go if only to show that the club stands by its community and this girl is part of the community in cases like this i believe football comes second.
Wilks trial is in the summer
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Filo i didn't say it wasn't what i should probably have said was his court case.
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How many tines do I need to say it, if I didn’t commit the crime I would fight to clear my name..
not if that meant you would be stitched up a d sent to jail you wouldn't
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"holier than thou" opinions on here mean absolutely zilch. The club will do what they think is right, just leave it to them.
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Filo i didn't say it wasn't what i should probably have said was his court case.
Do you want Coppinger sacked for race fixing then? A professional footballer involved in betting fixing isn't good for our community or our standing as a professional football club. I know there is a massive difference in the harm caused but if your reasoning is negative publicity then it's an issue for the club
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It really wouldn't surprise me if Mason left to join another club tomorrow..It would solve Rovers predicament of what to do with him,Mason would see it as a chance to start again fresh somewhere else and there are always clubs prepared to take a chance on players who committed offences elsewhere..
In some ways it would be a ideal scenario,although ultimately we will lose a player for nothing who had transfer value,although he only has a few months left in contract it explains why we weren't tyeing him up to a new one..
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How many tines do I need to say it, if I didn’t commit the crime I would fight to clear my name..
not if that meant you would be stitched up a d sent to jail you wouldn't
How the hell do you know what I would or wouldn’t do.??
For something like being involved in a fight and accepting a lesser charge, that’s a different matter..
But for a sex offence that I hadn’t done, no way..
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
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Okay IDM I gave this scenario earlier...If your were approaching the trial date and your Barrister sat you down and said in his opinion it was a 50/50 case..If found Guilty it would be a minimum of 10 years but if you plead guilty it would be 3 and out in 16 months..What would you do?????
I think its one of those situations were it's easy to sit here and say you would fight it but in the cold light of day it would take a lot of thinking about...
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Of course she shouldn’t have to but that’s not the point. If he was assaulting her why would she not
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Okay IDM I gave this scenario earlier...If your were approaching the trial date and your Barrister sat you down and said in his opinion it was a 50/50 case..If found Guilty it would be a minimum of 10 years but if you plead guilty it would be 3 and out in 16 months..What would you do?????
I think its one of those situations were it's easy to sit here and say you would fight it but in the cold light of day it would take a lot of thinking about...
I’ve been trying to say this to people today, and as you say it’s very easy to be sat here and say you wouldn’t do it. But if there was a chance you wouldn’t be able to see your kids grow up I think lots of people would agree to plea guilty in exchange for not going to prison
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It depends on the offence..
But I wouldn’t put myself in that situation anyway..
I had a work colleague in the 90s who was charged with attempting to abduct a young child.. he protested his innocence all along, and eventually even the police believed him but the CPS didn’t.. he went down for 4 years but won his appeal, the supposed crime never happened as it was a revenge stitch up from someone who had unsuccessfully tried to blackmail him for visiting hookers.
It was bloody awful but justice was done, eventually..
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I may be wrong but didn’t the club recently agree a scheme with the prison service to give ex cons coaching opportunities or something along those lines.
That was very much about giving people a second chance and I feel they would be acting against that principle if they were to sack Mason.
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Of course she shouldn’t have to but that’s not the point. If he was assaulting her why would she not
Why are we now looking at the behaviour of the victim? She is not at fault.
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I’m not suggesting she is, muttley was just stating it was odd.
Although everyone suggested ched Evans lady was the victim and any criticism she got was a disgrace and it turned out very different in the end
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I don't think the club can just sack Mason- they will have to follow due process under Employment Law. I would think if they are planning to take further action he will have to be suspended while they go through that.
The position of the club has been made more difficult because Mason has stated his intention to contest the charge (hence innocent until proven guilty) then in court pleaded guilty.
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I’m not suggesting she is, muttley was just stating it was odd.
Although everyone suggested ched Evans lady was the victim and any criticism she got was a disgrace and it turned out very different in the end
Her behaviour wasn't odd at all. It's somewhat typical for victims of sexual violence to "freeze" during the assault.
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
No, of course not.
But if I was receiving unwanted attention I would do something about it to stop it happening and I imagine most other people would too.
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
No, of course not.
But if I was receiving unwanted attention I would do something about it to stop it happening and I imagine most other people would too.
It's understandable that people would assume that, however until you're a female being sexually assaulted, you don't truly know how you would react.
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
No, of course not.
But if I was receiving unwanted attention I would do something about it to stop it happening and I imagine most other people would too.
With respect, it's very easy to say that as a man. The fact that she froze doesn't sound at all odd.
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
No, of course not.
But if I was receiving unwanted attention I would do something about it to stop it happening and I imagine most other people would too.
At least that’s what you think you’d do. We all act in different ways in unusual and stressful situations. Some people respond as they think they would, others freeze etc etc
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Not condoning any of Mason’s actions, but it strikes me as odd that the girl was subjected to 2 unwanted approaches and didn’t move away from Mason, slap him or report him to the door staff.
Should she have to?
No, of course not.
But if I was receiving unwanted attention I would do something about it to stop it happening and I imagine most other people would too.
Very easy to say that isn't it, hypothetically and as a man. Until you are in that situation, I don't think you can say either way what you would or wouldn't do and you certainly can't cast aspersions on what others would do.
She didn't just sit there either, according to the account of what happened she repeatedly told him to stop and told him no. He physically accosted her by grabbing her head and sexually assaulted her by putting his hands under her clothes more than once.
I am frankly appalled by some of the things I've read on here regarding this. If it was anyone else other than a prominent Rovers player I don't think a lot of these justifications would be being said. Or at least I hope not.
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Okay IDM I gave this scenario earlier...If your were approaching the trial date and your Barrister sat you down and said in his opinion it was a 50/50 case..If found Guilty it would be a minimum of 10 years but if you plead guilty it would be 3 and out in 16 months..What would you do?????
I think its one of those situations were it's easy to sit here and say you would fight it but in the cold light of day it would take a lot of thinking about...
I would have thought any defence barrister worth his or her salt would only advise you to plead guilty if the weight of evidence against you was very strong.
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can't believe some supporters on here SOME supporters quotes on here are the prime reasons some victims don't report offences against them. As a ex prison officer i have worked with many sex offenders including the major names and have got to know how these predators work infact they try to make the victom think they are the guilty party when quite categorically they are not. so all i can say is please be careful with your words a person is not guilty untill being proven so and in this case he has. THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN FOOTBALL.
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
but you can it has happened a lot of times
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Sounds like absolute b*llocks from his dad. You can't plead guilty and therefore avoid a trial and then moan about the full facts not being considered at a trial...
Toxic behaviour all round.
but you can it has happened a lot of times
Of course, you can try it. It's absolute nonsense though.
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Okay IDM I gave this scenario earlier...If your were approaching the trial date and your Barrister sat you down and said in his opinion it was a 50/50 case..If found Guilty it would be a minimum of 10 years but if you plead guilty it would be 3 and out in 16 months..What would you do?????
I think its one of those situations were it's easy to sit here and say you would fight it but in the cold light of day it would take a lot of thinking about...
I would have thought any defence barrister worth his or her salt would only advise you to plead guilty if the weight of evidence against you was very strong.
Anybody who has had face to face talks with a queens Barrister will tell you different..They tend to tell you the worst possible outcome so you are prepared for it,if there is any semblance that you could get found guilty they tend to push you to the side of caution...Trust me I know,i've sat in front of one who reckoned I had a 70% chance of winning my case who still thought I should take a plea...
As it happened her majesty's revenue and customs dropped the case in the end before the court date but it certainly opened my eyes to the British Justice system..
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Lets stop putting the blame on the victim (should have walked away, slapped him etc.)
Mason should have walked away as soon as she rejected his advances. Absolutely no excuses.
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Lets stop putting the blame on the victim (should have walked away, slapped him etc.)
Mason should have walked away as soon as she rejected his advances. Absolutely no excuses.
Yep and its completely normal in these situations to freeze up, victims in countless cases describe that.
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Completely agree. It is completely normal to 'freeze up' or not react in those situations - in fact, it's what the vast majority would do. Why would anyone want to blurt out that they've just been sexually assaulted.
In the sector I work in (academia) I've heard a few stories from my colleagues (both women and men) of similar situations happening to them. Being 'felt up' by senior academics at conferences and in the workplace and the like. And in all cases I've heard, the reaction was no reaction - in other words it took them a lot of time to 'compute' what is happening because you simply do not expect it to happen in the first place.
This girl actually sounded like she had her head fully screwed on, first reported it to the establishment and later than night the police.
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Not sure the “no comment” line from the club is doing us any favours either. I see Radio Sheffield has picked this up now and our silence is speaking volumes. It is no doubt a difficult situation with legal hoops to jump through but we need to sort this out quickly otherwise we look (unfairly) like we are defending the indefensible.
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CBCB the club has made a comment on the DROS - to the effect that this has happened and they are not commenting further at the moment.
I believe that was posted on there last night.
As SM says, the club will now be looking at what the net steps are but I for one am happy for that to be behind closed doors, but to say there has been no comment is wrong..
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Not sure the “no comment” line from the club is doing us any favours either. I see Radio Sheffield has picked this up now and our silence is speaking volumes. It is no doubt a difficult situation with legal hoops to jump through but we need to sort this out quickly otherwise we look (unfairly) like we are defending the indefensible.
Agreed. I appreciate the club believed Mason would enter a not guilty plea, but surely there was some contingency planning in case he either entered a guilty plea or was found guilty after a trial?
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My point was that we have given a narrative but no action. There is now another cycle of coverage and we are saying nothing about action - and given we now know the outcome we are going to be expected to have a view. I am not saying this is easy just that coverage will intensify and we cannot keep saying considering all options as to most folk this sounds shorthand for doing nothing.
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Which bit of “the club will consider its options, and will be making no further comment” isn’t good enough as an initial statement.
We don’t need a blow by blow commentary of what they are doing.
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I can understand the club having to consider legal ratification but when the player has told the club he is not guilty and then change is plea to guilty that for me says the club should at least suspend the player pending a investigation. Keeping quiet and doing nothing is sometimes the worst thing the club could do.
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My point was that we have given a narrative but no action. There is now another cycle of coverage and we are saying nothing about action - and given we now know the outcome we are going to be expected to have a view. I am not saying this is easy just that coverage will intensify and we cannot keep saying considering all options as to most folk this sounds shorthand for doing nothing.
How do you know there's no action?
The club haven't said they are considering all options, they have said they are considering their options, a subtle difference. And, again, I'll repeat, there is a process they need to follow, which they will do before they announce what their decision is.
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I can understand the club having to consider legal ratification but when the player has told the club he is not guilty and then change is plea to guilty that for me says the club should at least suspend the player pending a investigation. Keeping quiet and doing nothing is sometimes the worst thing the club could do.
Keeping quiet yes, doing nothing, no.
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My point was that we have given a narrative but no action. There is now another cycle of coverage and we are saying nothing about action - and given we now know the outcome we are going to be expected to have a view. I am not saying this is easy just that coverage will intensify and we cannot keep saying considering all options as to most folk this sounds shorthand for doing nothing.
How do you know there's no action?
The club haven't said they are considering all options, they have said they are considering their options, a subtle difference. And, again, I'll repeat, there is a process they need to follow, which they will do before they announce what their decision is.
People should wait as you say for any decision the process will give that.
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The judge still has to agree the evidence provided and its relevance to the charges and as Mason admitted his part and having done so the punishment handed out will have been carefully designed to give as much leniency as is permitted without risking an appeal from the crown .
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its due process.
Personally I'm happy for the club to do what they need to do,follow the correct procedure and come to a balanced decision based on the factual information that they have, which I'm dam sure will be a lot more than a report in the Free Press...
it's a sad state of affairs regardless of the outcome
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My point was that we have given a narrative but no action. There is now another cycle of coverage and we are saying nothing about action - and given we now know the outcome we are going to be expected to have a view. I am not saying this is easy just that coverage will intensify and we cannot keep saying considering all options as to most folk this sounds shorthand for doing nothing.
How do you know there's no action?
The club haven't said they are considering all options, they have said they are considering their options, a subtle difference. And, again, I'll repeat, there is a process they need to follow, which they will do before they announce what their decision is.
I have no idea - but based on the public statement neither does anyone else.
I am not criticising the club less than 24 hours after this broke and I am sure they are working hard but the on the record statements (which is how 99.9pc will form their view of our action) have not as yet given any indication of action and for some this could be perceived as sitting on hands.
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Sorry but the club statement is clear, if people then think that means they are sitting on their hands then that’s their problem, not the club’s..
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I know what CBCB is saying and I agree. The club has issued a very brief statement, at night, and nothing since. I don't want them to rush into things either and I certainly appreciate how difficult this situation is for the club but they need to come to their conclusion soon or else it will start to reflect badly on the club.
It may not seem like much to some either, but I notice the club hasn't tweeted the Club Statement once. I find that a bit peculiar. Lots of tweets today about things from tickets to Weldricks to match officials for the Portsmouth game, but no cursory tweet highlighting the statement on Mason.
The club has probably been caught a bit off-guard by Mason suddenly changing his plea to guilty, it seems as if he and the club have proceeded since the assault happened with the position that he was denying and contesting the allegations, but all that has changed now. I just hope the club come out with some firm information on what they plan to do as soon as they can, which it sounds as if will be the case according to SM's posts.
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We all agree that the club make right decisions in many cases and I doubt this will be any different. The club need time to go down their own legal route to make the best decision for the club. Let’s allow them to do this, it would be unprofessional to air some views from the club in public, until they have made their final decision.
As supporters we are entitled to talk about what has happened and people are entitled to their views on the matter.
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its due process.
Personally I'm happy for the club to do what they need to do,follow the correct procedure and come to a balanced decision based on the factual information that they have, which I'm dam sure will be a lot more than a report in the Free Press...
it's a sad state of affairs regardless of the outcome
Apparently the club had representatives in court and will have heard what the prosecutor, Mason's QC and the judge had to say.
They won't have factual information other than that.
I can understand Mr Mason trying to defend his son but I can't see how taking a photo would leave DNA on the girl's bra.
What I can't understand is eight people liking his remarks - some of whom had already said he should be dismissed!
In the absence of any clause in his contract stating he would be liable to instant dismissal if he was convicted of any sexual offence the club will have to go through all the due processes.
They are probably right not to comment further until a decision has been made and it might be better if SM didn't comment about it on here on their behalf as well.
As he pleaded guilty there can be no prospect of an appeal, other than against his sentence.
In that case I would have a lot more sympathy for young Mr Mason if he had come out with a public statement admitting his shame and apologising for his behaviour, rather than allowing his father to continue to plead his innocence, and beg the girl and the club to forgive him.
I don't envy the club in their deliberations but I think the final outcome is inevitable.
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now on the bbc site and it sounds pretty brutal stating "the club will not comment on the case".
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I deduce that too many conclusions are being jumped at here..... In order to remedy this, I conclude that maybe we should just let things take their course....?
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In my workplace and in I would assume most others, disciplinary investigators and procedures are private and limited to those who need to know..
A football club should be no different in that respect.
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In my workplace and in I would assume most others, disciplinary investigators and procedures are private and limited to those who need to know..
A football club should be no different in that respect.
Well it's just like the budget in that respect. Some fans seem to feel the need to know absolutely everything going on. Just like financial matters, nobody needs to know other than the club employees, really.
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I deduce that too many conclusions are being jumped at here..... In order to remedy this, I conclude that maybe we should just let things take their course....?
In my workplace and in I would assume most others, disciplinary investigators and procedures are private and limited to those who need to know..
A football club should be no different in that respect.
Hurray people talking sense at last
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Good old radio dee dah, the first time I have heard us be the lead subject on football heaven.
Rovers fans what do you think about the Mason subject, and I bet we get on tonight
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Club won’t rush. Not their way to and rightly so.
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I'm sure the club will make an announcement once they've done due diligence with the PFA etc.
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Yes so Look North and other media are saying " The Clun have said they wont comment further"
I assume that statement will be untrue because they will take their time - weigh up the pros and cons and I am confident will make a probably difficult decision (whichever way they choose) and then they will announce what that decision is to be
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Everyone makes mistakes. And iam sure we have all broken the law at sometime in our life's. The thing is should we get a 2nd chance, and give Mason a 2nd chance I know he's only young and probly earning far to much money and I think some people who are professionals think they have their own laws. Me I would let him find another club and thus shows the club don't agree with what he does. After all running on a pitch is a crime and it's a life time ban. Say no more
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its due process.
Personally I'm happy for the club to do what they need to do,follow the correct procedure and come to a balanced decision based on the factual information that they have, which I'm dam sure will be a lot more than a report in the Free Press...
it's a sad state of affairs regardless of the outcome
Apparently the club had representatives in court and will have heard what the prosecutor, Mason's QC and the judge had to say.
They won't have factual information other than that.
I can understand Mr Mason trying to defend his son but I can't see how taking a photo would leave DNA on the girl's bra.
What I can't understand is eight people liking his remarks - some of whom had already said he should be dismissed!
In the absence of any clause in his contract stating he would be liable to instant dismissal if he was convicted of any sexual offence the club will have to go through all the due processes.
They are probably right not to comment further until a decision has been made and it might be better if SM didn't comment about it on here on their behalf as well.
As he pleaded guilty there can be no prospect of an appeal, other than against his sentence.
In that case I would have a lot more sympathy for young Mr Mason if he had come out with a public statement admitting his shame and apologising for his behaviour, rather than allowing his father to continue to plead his innocence, and beg the girl and the club to forgive him.
I don't envy the club in their deliberations but I think the final outcome is inevitable.
Could you kindly tell me where I'm commenting on their behalf?
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It’s a difficult dilemma for the board - on the one hand like you say he’s been punished, on the other there’s a responsibility that comes with his position & it can reflect badly on the club if he continues to be employed as if nothing has happened - we’ve had in the past at l least 2 man-slaughterers Micky Norbury & Jimmy Kelly - a convicted armed robber in Jamie Lawrence - but we are a very different club these days than we were back then
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Mason has been incredibly stupid. You just can't do that in this day and age. When a woman says no, it means no. You don't bloody well go and try again. I expect we won't see Mason again. And that's tragic as he is developing into quite a player. But, it's his own damn fault. I was prepared to believe his Dad yesterday but if the CCTV has been seen by folks on here as claimed and it's damning as they say, he has to be sacked. It would probably happen in most companies these days.
Shudder to think of some of the stuff that me and my workmates (male and female) got up to back in the day. Dearie me.
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Glad you made that last statement PDX.
I would hazard a guess that there aren’t many blokes who haven’t put their hands somewhere that they shouldn’t have and got reprimanded or got a slap, at one time or another in their life.
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It's amazing what firms will put up with, i used to work with a lowlife who took pics of his neighbours young kids whilst semi naked in an outdoor swimming pool in the summer.. from his top bedroom window. He's on the register, I think he actually did time on remand, got a suspended, and came back after to work as if nothing had happened..
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its due process.
Personally I'm happy for the club to do what they need to do,follow the correct procedure and come to a balanced decision based on the factual information that they have, which I'm dam sure will be a lot more than a report in the Free Press...
it's a sad state of affairs regardless of the outcome
Apparently the club had representatives in court and will have heard what the prosecutor, Mason's QC and the judge had to say.
They won't have factual information other than that.
I can understand Mr Mason trying to defend his son but I can't see how taking a photo would leave DNA on the girl's bra.
What I can't understand is eight people liking his remarks - some of whom had already said he should be dismissed!
In the absence of any clause in his contract stating he would be liable to instant dismissal if he was convicted of any sexual offence the club will have to go through all the due processes.
They are probably right not to comment further until a decision has been made and it might be better if SM didn't comment about it on here on their behalf as well.
As he pleaded guilty there can be no prospect of an appeal, other than against his sentence.
In that case I would have a lot more sympathy for young Mr Mason if he had come out with a public statement admitting his shame and apologising for his behaviour, rather than allowing his father to continue to plead his innocence, and beg the girl and the club to forgive him.
I don't envy the club in their deliberations but I think the final outcome is inevitable.
Could you kindly tell me where I'm commenting on their behalf?
Sorry, you said you had been in touch with the club earlier in the day about another matter.
I assumed you would have discussed this as well, especially as you knew there was nothing in his contract to enable them to cancel immediately and that they were having discussions with the PFA.
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Glad you made that last statement PDX.
I would hazard a guess that there aren’t many blokes who haven’t put their hands somewhere that they shouldn’t have and got reprimanded or got a slap, at one time or another in their life.
That's why it's such a big problem - so many people, mainly men, have been sexually inappropriate towards women and society has previously normalised it. Times have changed and people are now accepting that behaviour of this nature is simply unacceptable.
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I didn’t say anything to the contrary did I?
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Lifelong,
You shouldn't make assumptions about me. I didn't say that I knew what was in his contract. But what I do know, in all cases like this, the PFA have a duty to represent their member. Employment law also has to be considered.
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Suspended since Tuesday.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers/doncaster-rovers-suspend-niall-mason-after-sexual-assault-conviction-1-9567886
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Sad day but well done Doncaster rovers. A decision that is only right.
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If he was suspended on Tuesday afternoon why didn't we announce that then, rather than saying on Tuesday night "The club will consider its options"?
Right decision but seems a bit muddled the way it's been announced.
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Trying to keep things quiet given this relates to people's lives? Quite fair I'd say.
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If he was suspended on Tuesday afternoon why didn't we announce that then, rather than saying on Tuesday night "The club will consider its options"?
Right decision but seems a bit muddled the way it's been announced.
No not at all, perhaps the club had to check on procedures etc before making a further statement..
This is an internal issue for the club.
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Perhaps it's just me, just doesn't make sense to me that on Tuesday afternoon he was found guilty, the club seemingly suspended him immediately, then released a statement on Tuesday night saying they were considering their options, then on Thursday released a statement saying that they suspended him on Tuesday. If the reason was that weren't sure or had to check on procedures then surely they would have waited to suspend him?
I'm sure there's a reason for it, just doesn't make sense to me.
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No, maybe they had to consider carefully and take advice on what is said publicly..
Remember this is an internal club process, and as much as we as fans want to know what’s happening, we have to respect the club for dealing with it properly..
Speculating on why certain statements were made on certain days makes no difference at all..
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...Tuesday afternoon he was found guilty... suspended him...
Tuesday night... considering their options...
Thursday released a statement saying that they suspended him on Tuesday. ...
What you missed was Thursday released a statement saying they suspended him on Tuesday, AND that they would make a decision as to his future after a hearing next week.
Presumably from Tuesday night to now the club has been considering issues and logistics with regard to that hearing. But who cares, we know what's happening soon enough.
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Maybe we should stop picking over everything the club says, and leave it to them?
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While I do think he needs to be sacked as quickly as possible this is a PR nightmare for the club and they've handled it the right way. In sensitive situations like this anything they say will be taken as a negative, so best not say much at all until you know what action you can take and when.
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It seems to me like plenty of people cant wait for the hanging.
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It seems to me like plenty of people cant wait for the hanging.
I wouldn't say that, I don't think that I've read much about anyone saying he should have been given a more severe punishment, it's just that people would be uncomfortable with him playing for us now and wouldn't be unhappy to see him sacked.
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It seems to me like plenty of people cant wait for the hanging.
I wouldn't say that, I don't think that I've read much about anyone saying he should have been given a more severe punishment, it's just that people would be uncomfortable with him playing for us now and wouldn't be unhappy to see him sacked.
I was speaking metaphorically.
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Were the same as a business. If a member of staff is suspended it isn't announced everywhere.
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It seems to me like plenty of people cant wait for the hanging.
I wouldn't say that, I don't think that I've read much about anyone saying he should have been given a more severe punishment, it's just that people would be uncomfortable with him playing for us now and wouldn't be unhappy to see him sacked.
Though I think he was stupid and naive to had been involved in the first instance , his crime though still a crime should be viewed as more along the lines as a drunken fumble and not persucuted as a rapist . I can not see what good it will do by rubbishing his career when he’s been punished by the crown . DRFC are correct to suspend Mason even until the end of the season but it would foolish to abandon him because of this , particularly when the court has set him free with a 2 years suspension hanging over him. He needs to making an apology to everyone including the plaintiff and ask to be forgiven and be allowed to continue with his career.
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He’s not a rapist, so why would he be persecuted as one..
A drunken fumble.? - according to the reports the woman said no so being drunk is no excuse..
There’s only one apology needed and that isn’t to anyone else..
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I really don't know which way to go on this!
One side of me says that if it had been my daughter she would have smacked him and stopped the incident progressing.
The other side of me says sack him! No means no, drunk or not.
I think, because none of us where there and we just don't know all the facts,
I am tending to think IDM makes a good point.
Whatever the decision the club make I will support.
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He’s not a rapist, so why would he be persecuted as one..
A drunken fumble - according to the reports the woman said no so being drunk is no excuse..
There’s only one apology needed and that isn’t to anyone else..
Hes done just what you said - but is already a "nonce" on Pompey Forum which I think has an entirely different meaning
The Club have a very very difficult judgement / deciion to make here and I too dont envy them that decision and I will also accept whatever they decide.
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I don’t think people should say “my daughter would have done this, my wife would have done that”. Truth is none of us have any idea how you would react in a situation like that until it happens and hopefully will never have to find out. Frankly I find it pretty disrespectful to the victim as the implication is that she should have done something to nip it in the bud.
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If the report is correct as I read it in the DFP, the victim DID do something to nip it in the bud, when she said “no”..
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If the report is correct as I read it in the DFP, the victim DID do something to nip it in the bud, when she said “no”..
Yes of course, that should have been enough but obviously wasn’t. My point is to people who’ve said things like “she’s have smacked him and stopped the incident progressing”. The victim herself said that she always thought she would react like that but as it was happening, she just froze.
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I was one of the people who said that my wife would have stopped him if he had put his hand up her top and stroked her back.
SHE WOULD HAVE SLAPPED HIM AND STOPPED IT THERE.
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Different react different but at the end of the day the victim shouldnt be put in that place in the first place. It wasnt just a fumble he violated that lady after she had said no and that is that. as has been said on here before NO MEANS NO and that is that.
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I was one of the people who said that my wife would have stopped him if he had put his hand up her top and stroked her back.
SHE WOULD HAVE SLAPPED HIM AND STOPPED IT THERE.
Your wife may well have Hound, but you don't know how anyone would react including yourself, not until you are in that situation (which hopefully none of us or our loved ones ever are). Its akin to sudden shock, the victim in this case said herself she thought she would always react differently in this situation but when it came to it she just froze. Thats very normal and understandable when someone is subject to such an act. She also did NOT just let him continue, she said no, she told him to stop and she alerted her friend to help her.
To the poster who referred to this as "a drunken fumble" - no. This is not a "fumble", it was an unwanted sexual assault. Simple as that. She did not want Mason to touch her, he proceeded to touch her multiple times and refused to accept the word "no". Consent is not negotiable in these situations, nobody has the right to put their hands on another person without their permission.
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I was one of the people who said that my wife would have stopped him if he had put his hand up her top and stroked her back.
SHE WOULD HAVE SLAPPED HIM AND STOPPED IT THERE.
Your wife may well have Hound, but you don't know how anyone would react including yourself, not until you are in that situation (which hopefully none of us or our loved ones ever are). Its akin to sudden shock, the victim in this case said herself she thought she would always react differently in this situation but when it came to it she just froze. Thats very normal and understandable when someone is subject to such an act. She also did NOT just let him continue, she said no, she told him to stop and she alerted her friend to help her.
To the poster who referred to this as "a drunken fumble" - no. This is not a "fumble", it was an unwanted sexual assault. Simple as that. She did not want Mason to touch her, he proceeded to touch her multiple times and refused to accept the word "no". Consent is not negotiable in these situations, nobody has the right to put their hands on another person without their permission.
RA, I agree that the young lady said no and all that goes with that.
I was responding to Nick and making it clear to him that what my wife would have done in those circumstances and I guess that Alickismyhero would say the same about his daughter, no question in the case of my wife.
Not all people would freeze.
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I was one of the people who said that my wife would have stopped him if he had put his hand up her top and stroked her back.
SHE WOULD HAVE SLAPPED HIM AND STOPPED IT THERE.
Your wife may well have Hound, but you don't know how anyone would react including yourself, not until you are in that situation (which hopefully none of us or our loved ones ever are). Its akin to sudden shock, the victim in this case said herself she thought she would always react differently in this situation but when it came to it she just froze. Thats very normal and understandable when someone is subject to such an act. She also did NOT just let him continue, she said no, she told him to stop and she alerted her friend to help her.
To the poster who referred to this as "a drunken fumble" - no. This is not a "fumble", it was an unwanted sexual assault. Simple as that. She did not want Mason to touch her, he proceeded to touch her multiple times and refused to accept the word "no". Consent is not negotiable in these situations, nobody has the right to put their hands on another person without their permission.
RA, I agree that the young lady said no and all that goes with that.
I was responding to Nick and making it clear to him that what my wife would have done in those circumstances and I guess that Alickismyhero would say the same about his daughter, no question in the case of my wife.
Not all people would freeze.
You're either missing or ignoring the point. We expect that we or people we know would react in a certain way in a certain situation. But until that situation presents itself, it's impossible to know.
The victim herself said "I have often thought what I would do in a situation like this, and I've always thought I would shout, react, confront them. The reality is I just froze". Like you think about your wife, she thought she would respond in a certain way but when put in such a traumatic situation in reality, it was different.
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Whatever individual reactions may or may not have been, it is against the law. He broke the law. A law that was meant not to be broken has been broken. Something that was illegal has been done. There is legal and then there is not legal, this was not legal.
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Whatever individual reactions may or may not have been, it is against the law. He broke the law. A law that was meant not to be broken has been broken. Something that was illegal has been done. There is legal and then there is not legal, this was not legal.
Just to confirm - did he break the law...?
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I live much of my time in a corner of the world where what Nial Mason did would be ignored as trivial or even taken as a compliment by the victim, similarly I am old enough to know that such a matter would have been dealt with quite differently in the UK not so long ago. I am not condoning it at in the slightest but just trying to add some perspective.
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I was one of the people who said that my wife would have stopped him if he had put his hand up her top and stroked her back.
SHE WOULD HAVE SLAPPED HIM AND STOPPED IT THERE.
Your wife may well have Hound, but you don't know how anyone would react including yourself, not until you are in that situation (which hopefully none of us or our loved ones ever are). Its akin to sudden shock, the victim in this case said herself she thought she would always react differently in this situation but when it came to it she just froze. Thats very normal and understandable when someone is subject to such an act. She also did NOT just let him continue, she said no, she told him to stop and she alerted her friend to help her.
To the poster who referred to this as "a drunken fumble" - no. This is not a "fumble", it was an unwanted sexual assault. Simple as that. She did not want Mason to touch her, he proceeded to touch her multiple times and refused to accept the word "no". Consent is not negotiable in these situations, nobody has the right to put their hands on another person without their permission.
RA, I agree that the young lady said no and all that goes with that.
I was responding to Nick and making it clear to him that what my wife would have done in those circumstances and I guess that Alickismyhero would say the same about his daughter, no question in the case of my wife.
Not all people would freeze.
You're either missing or ignoring the point. We expect that we or people we know would react in a certain way in a certain situation. But until that situation presents itself, it's impossible to know.
The victim herself said "I have often thought what I would do in a situation like this, and I've always thought I would shout, react, confront them. The reality is I just froze". Like you think about your wife, she thought she would respond in a certain way but when put in such a traumatic situation in reality, it was different.
Nick, sorry mate but you are missing the point too.
Very obviously I know my wife’s characteristics and believe me, she would have reacted, no question.
There would be no messing about.
Please don’t come back and tell me I am wrong.
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I live much of my time in a corner of the world where what Nial Mason did would be ignored as trivial or even taken as a compliment by the victim, similarly I am old enough to know that such a matter would have been dealt with quite differently in the UK not so long ago. I am not condoning it at in the slightest but just trying to add some perspective.
I agree to an extent - I remember pinching a pert bottom or two back in the day and the lady would generally take it as a compliment. Times change and NM should have known better.....
Perhaps he should have used the Trump defence...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45958023
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Just because other people would react differently it doesn't lessen the crime.
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Pib, if that is aimed at me, I am not disagreeing with that.
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It's not particularly aimed at anyone. There's a bit of an err towards apologist behaviour by some people towards these things, and I find it troubling.
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It's not particularly aimed at anyone. There's a bit of an err towards apologist behaviour by some people towards these things, and I find it troubling.
Opinions are like arseholes thought.................... so I wouldn't let it trouble you.
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We can discuss this matter for ever, and there will be disagreement as to how this situation should be handled.
The fact is the club will handle the situation as they see fit, contractual and other outside influences such as the players union will all have to be considered, and the legal position as regards an employer.
Whatever conclusion the club comes to, it looks as though some supporters will agree with, and some will not.
The only thing I can say is, I am glad I myself have not to be party to that decision, and trust the club to make the right decision for everyone personally involved, and the club itself.
I am sure that the club will want the situation resolved as quickly as possible.
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I wonder why she didn't move after the 1st attempt?
Mason was wrong, by the way, no defence for what he did.
I will stand by the decision of the club in this matter
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Back in 1959 when I was ten or eleven I went to the Essoldo pictures on Silver St. on a Saturday afternoon. I was on my own as my mate didn't want to go.
I sat down and some time later a big navvy type in donkey jacket and wellies sat next to me. After about five minutes I felt his hand rub my leg. I thought it must be a mistake but frightened to death pretended to tie my shoe lace and then sat back. After about a minute he did it again. I was crapping myself as apart from him rubbing my leg I shouldn't have even been in town on my own. I got up and went to the toilet and then sat somewhere else near a courting couple. After about five minutes the navvy who stank of beer got up and walked up the aisle obviously looking for me wondering if I had maybe told someone. That experience lasted for years in my mind. You don't always think rationally when in a strange situation.
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For those that may struggle with the issue of consent this explains throngs in way everybody can understand.
https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8
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For those that may struggle with the issue of consent this explains throngs in way everybody can understand.
https://youtu.be/oQbei5JGiT8
You could open another pointless thread just in case anyone is not looking in here.....
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Just to sum up my earlier comment:
My daughter has never touched alcohol in her life probably because she has seen her dad having had too much to drink many times in her formative years.
She is well above average strength for a woman and very able to express her feminist point of view forcefully. Having talked her through the paper reports she did say she could understand the girl freezing for a time before regaining full consciousness of what happened, but not moving away when she had the opportunity? hard to understand.
Mason has been punished by the Judge 6 months suspended jail sentance and 7 years on the Sex Offenders register, that is tough punishment. Mason and his family now have to live with the embarrassment of that night. The club punishment is on its way and I will support the club whichever way it goes, even if Mason returns after a long suspension.
Somehow I think Mason may have learnt a very important lesson....
....NO MEANS NO!.....
something we all have to take on board.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the girl and her boyfriend who will have suffered from this incident, no winners only losers.
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Back in 1959 when I was ten or eleven I went to the Essoldo pictures on Silver St. on a Saturday afternoon. I was on my own as my mate didn't want to go.
I sat down and some time later a big navvy type in donkey jacket and wellies sat next to me. After about five minutes I felt his hand rub my leg. I thought it must be a mistake but frightened to death pretended to tie my shoe lace and then sat back. After about a minute he did it again. I was crapping myself as apart from him rubbing my leg I shouldn't have even been in town on my own. I got up and went to the toilet and then sat somewhere else near a courting couple. After about five minutes the navvy who stank of beer got up and walked up the aisle obviously looking for me wondering if I had maybe told someone. That experience lasted for years in my mind. You don't always think rationally when in a strange situation.
Wow, that must have been scary idler.
Good job you had the sense to move away to stop him doing anything else.
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Let us take a deep breath here take away the individuals involved, avoid being emotive and look at the issue of crime and punishment.
Someone who breaks the law, is apprehended, tried and punished appropriately. What then happens to that person?
Should that person, if incarceration is deemed inappropriate, be thrown on the human scrap heap and prevented from ever working again? To become a permanent liability on the welfare system? A pariah?
Where does it end? At what point does punishment fit the crime? Or do we continue to seek further retribution for ever?
Is not the point of having a legal system with varying degrees of punishment constructed so that the guilty party can be rehabilitated?
Had he been a brickie would he have been banned from laying any more bricks? Would he be allowed to take up joiner instead?
Because what some appear to be saying is, yes he's been an idiot, so he can no longer work again, anywhere, in any capacity. Or are you saying there are jobs he can do?
This is not how the legal system is intended to work. A crime has been identified and an appropriate punishment imposed. By the courts. It didn't happen at work, it does not affect his ability to do his job. Yes, it was unsavoury. Abhorrent. But in a civilised society do we throw every single person who breaks the law on the scrap heap forever, or do we try and rehabilitate the ways of those who transgress?
That's the fundamental issue. Unless of course we introduce the death penalty for practically every crime on the statute book.
Difficult, isn't it? If only he hadn't been such an idiot!
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But some organisations take a dim view of certain crimes, especially where the employee is very much in the public eye.. also civilian convictions are very badly perceived in the forces where additional punishment is often given...
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Let us take a deep breath here take away the individuals involved, avoid being emotive and look at the issue of crime and punishment.
Someone who breaks the law, is apprehended, tried and punished appropriately. What then happens to that person?
Should that person, if incarceration is deemed inappropriate, be thrown on the human scrap heap and prevented from ever working again? To become a permanent liability on the welfare system? A pariah?
Where does it end? At what point does punishment fit the crime? Or do we continue to seek further retribution for ever?
Is not the point of having a legal system with varying degrees of punishment constructed so that the guilty party can be rehabilitated?
Had he been a brickie would he have been banned from laying any more bricks? Would he be allowed to take up joiner instead?
Because what some appear to be saying is, yes he's been an idiot, so he can no longer work again, anywhere, in any capacity. Or are you saying there are jobs he can do?
This is not how the legal system is intended to work. A crime has been identified and an appropriate punishment imposed. By the courts. It didn't happen at work, it does not affect his ability to do his job. Yes, it was unsavoury. Abhorrent. But in a civilised society do we throw every single person who breaks the law on the scrap heap forever, or do we try and rehabilitate the ways of those who transgress?
That's the fundamental issue. Unless of course we introduce the death penalty for practically every crime on the statute book.
Difficult, isn't it? If only he hadn't been such an idiot!
Completely agree and am appalled by the vehemence of a few on here,
for pursuing an extension to a punishment...
I’m not a religious person by any means , but it seems that those clearly “WITHOUT SIN” are throwing boulders not stones....
until you know the full facts of this incident, and apply proper context,
You will only know the version that the tabloids run....
My female friend has read the free press version of this unfortunate event, and has found the article lacks both clarity and context...
I personally believe that the law of the land has deemed fit to pass down a sentence befitting the crime......and I am prepared to give this young man his footballing life back at Doncaster Rovers because Justice has been served
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Mason is not in the forces, he's a footballer. If society, or the courts are going to judge him differently to an actor, a roadsweeper or a politician (for example) then surely those rules must be applied consistently across all football levels. Some have done far worse and are still playing today.
If his contract is terminated you can rest assured he'll be back in the game very soon. And that's a dilemma for the club because they lose a valuable asset, a replacement won't come cheap, nor before the next transfer window.
When a car breaks down you normally have a choice, sell it or fix it. You don't give it away if it has a decent residual value.
Like it or not, the best way forward as a caring family club is to help with his rehabilitation. Pretty sure that's what the PFA will be pleading for.
Some will agree, some won't. There is no simple solution. I agree, the club has every right to issue a second punishment in line with whatever is in the player's contract. How draconian that is will be interesting to see.
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The fact that he's been put on the sex offenders register will make it impossible for him to visit kids in schools, hospitals etc or actually play any part in any campaign that Rovers run that concerns minors. They would also be automatically excluded from the Family Excellence awards, I would presume.
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Just watching the Spurs V Newcastle game, players walking out holding hands with the mascots... Would he be even able to do that? I don't mean ethically, I mean within the law ..
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BJW makes an important point.. that element of Mason’s existing punishment may in itself create further problems..
Many trades and jobs don’t involve potentially working with groups, where being on the sex offenders register makes a difference..
So as unfair as it may seem to add what might be extra punishment, the club may have little choice..
Even more reason for them to pursue due diligence and follow proper procedures both legally and with the football authorities and PFA.
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Don't disagree with that. There is no simple or even comfortable outcome.
The ultimate end might be we keep him till the summer and move him on (don't know his contract situation). Sounds to me like he copped a plea to avoid the risk of a custodial sentence.
I don't know the guy but I am guessing he is not a risk to children, nevertheless it would be inappropriate to put him in that situation.
Then again the club might simply terminate his contract and live with the consequences, which would be the loss of a playing asset and possibly a lower league placing at the end of the season.
Its a harsh decision that I'm glad I dont have to make but whatever the club decides we should accept their action as the best outcome and support it.
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Mason hasn’t violated a child though has he.
It shouldn’t be an issue if he was to hold the hand of one when coming onto the pitch.
If he is sacked and gets another club before the seven years are up he would no doubt be holding the hands of a child when coming onto the pitch with another club.
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These comments about kids and Niall are outrageous ..hope he bloody sues you all
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I wish everyone would put a stop to all this speculation going round in circles. We are in no place to be judge, jury or executioner and should just let the club go through the correct process and have faith they will do the right thing.
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These comments about kids and Niall are outrageous ..hope he bloody sues you all
You are missing the point completely.. no one, and certainlly not me, is implying that, far from it..
The issue is being on the sex offenders register, nothing more, nothing less..
That you are now implying that anyone is suggesting otherwise is quite offensive..
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I really liked the way Mason had progressed over the last 12 months but , unfortunately, now need to get rid.
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These comments about kids and Niall are outrageous ..hope he bloody sues you all
If you are the sex offenders register people have a right to look at that and he has to go on courses with probation to learn from his error
It doesn't matter if the offence is with adults or children the consequences are the same
Being a sex offender puts lots of constraints on him and all offenders
A sex offender is a sex offender
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These comments about kids and Niall are outrageous ..hope he bloody sues you all
I suggest you actually read what's written and not what you think is written.
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Mason hasn’t violated a child though has he.
No one's evenly remotely suggested or even raised that issue but you.
If you know the law regarding the sex offenders register and enhanced CRB checks or whatever then make an interjection...
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Can the moderators remove this pathetic subject,
it gains little value reading the values of the morally pure pointing condemning fingers at a guy who got a bit leery in a pub and over stepped the mark...
He is no more a “ sex offender” than you or I , he has no history or reputation for this kind of behaviour,
Yet most on here seem to enjoy the snidey malice attached to those 2 words....as if it’s a reality...the guy fcuk’d up once...only once!
He has pleaded guilty , yet I feel he maybe regrets even doing that....especially as we have so many pious men here, who have NEVER been caught doing inappropriate things.....
The lad cocked up, got punished, and I would imagine will regret it for the REST OF HIS LIFE, ......
If you ...yes you have never committed any crime or sin, then you may have a right to condemn him...but if not, remember this...you just got away with it because you got lucky...lol
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it's actually threads like this that open your eyes to some peoples opinions, and what they actually think of serious crimes, such as sexual assault.
not one person on here has made me think, "they are enjoying this". We are all Rovers fans, and probably didn't want one of our best defenders getting himself in this position. But to remove it because you and others wish it didn't happen is not the point here.
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I don’t think this is about the club playing judge and jury. It’s correct to point out that Mason has already been punished through the courts.
I’ve no doubt at all that Niall Mason can learn from this and make a positive contribution to society as a decent human being. He won’t be denied that second chance in life and his football career is far from over. In that sense he’s a very fortunate person. He’s admitted to committing a crime but he still has a skill to fall back on that is in high demand and commands a lot of money. His life isn’t over.
The decision to be made by the club is much less about imposing further punishment on Mason. It’s about whether Mason’s actions have caused a breakdown of trust in the contractual relationship and essentially brought the name of the club into disrepute in the process. The club has a reputation to protect.
If a decision is made to take robust and decisive action against Mason (fine / suspension) and then support his rehabilitation and encourage some form of restorative practice then I’ll back that 100% and be happy to support both Mason and the club going forward. If the club decides that the reputational risk is too much to bear and terminate his contract then I will understand that. It’s not an easy decision but, whatever happens, both parties will go on. And I hope the victim can put this episode behind her too.
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Can the moderators remove this pathetic subject,
it gains little value reading the values of the morally pure pointing condemning fingers at a guy who got a bit leery in a pub and over stepped the mark...
He is no more a “ sex offender” than you or I , he has no history or reputation for this kind of behaviour,
Yet most on here seem to enjoy the snidey malice attached to those 2 words....as if it’s a reality...the guy fcuk’d up once...only once!
He has pleaded guilty , yet I feel he maybe regrets even doing that....especially as we have so many pious men here, who have NEVER been caught doing inappropriate things.....
The lad cocked up, got punished, and I would imagine will regret it for the REST OF HIS LIFE, ......
If you ...yes you have never committed any crime or sin, then you may have a right to condemn him...but if not, remember this...you just got away with it because you got lucky...lol
The debate now is how the club reacts to having a player on the sex offenders register - not about fans pointing condemning fingers at Mason..
Got a bit leery and overstepped the mark.?
He was convicted of a sexual assault, whether you agree with it or not..
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Can the moderators remove this pathetic subject,
it gains little value reading the values of the morally pure pointing condemning fingers at a guy who got a bit leery in a pub and over stepped the mark...
He is no more a “ sex offender” than you or I , he has no history or reputation for this kind of behaviour,
Yet most on here seem to enjoy the snidey malice attached to those 2 words....as if it’s a reality...the guy fcuk’d up once...only once!
He has pleaded guilty , yet I feel he maybe regrets even doing that....especially as we have so many pious men here, who have NEVER been caught doing inappropriate things.....
The lad cocked up, got punished, and I would imagine will regret it for the REST OF HIS LIFE, ......
If you ...yes you have never committed any crime or sin, then you may have a right to condemn him...but if not, remember this...you just got away with it because you got lucky...lol
How can you say he is no more a sex offender than you or I?
I have never committed a sexual assault and I am not a sex offender, and I’m sure pretty much the other members of this forum are not sex offenders.
Even if you don’t like it he broke the law and committed a sex offence. 7 years on the register is not a light sentence. So he IS a sex offender even if he has no prior history. Fact
This thread is interesting to see how a likeable footballer makes a big mistake and the morals and viewpoints it creates.
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These comments about kids and Niall are outrageous ..hope he bloody sues you all
No, people have correctly pointed out that being on the sex offenders register - which Mason now is - brings with it problems about aspects of his role as a football player for DRFC. He won't be allowed to participate in much of our community work because it involves children, and there is a question to be asked about his place on the field when we have children as mascots at every game. It has nothing to do with the fact his offence didn't involve a minor, of course we all know that, it is because he is now on the sex offenders register.
Can the moderators remove this pathetic subject,
it gains little value reading the values of the morally pure pointing condemning fingers at a guy who got a bit leery in a pub and over stepped the mark...
He is no more a “ sex offender” than you or I , he has no history or reputation for this kind of behaviour,
Yet most on here seem to enjoy the snidey malice attached to those 2 words....as if it’s a reality...the guy fcuk’d up once...only once!
He has pleaded guilty , yet I feel he maybe regrets even doing that....especially as we have so many pious men here, who have NEVER been caught doing inappropriate things.....
The lad cocked up, got punished, and I would imagine will regret it for the REST OF HIS LIFE, ......
If you ...yes you have never committed any crime or sin, then you may have a right to condemn him...but if not, remember this...you just got away with it because you got lucky...lol
I find your post to be ridiculous in parts, I'm afraid. He has indeed made a big mistake, and done so once...but when you commit a sexual assault you only need to do it once to suffer life-altering consequences. He has been convicted of a serious criminal offence, so he is absolutely more of a sex offender than you or I. Whether or not he deserves to be lumped in with paedophiles and the like who have committed more severe/violent crimes who are also on the sex offenders register is a different debate entirely, but you cannot just excuse Mason for this because it's his first/only offence and he is otherwise a good bloke.
The topic should not be removed, it is about a significant incident involving Doncaster Rovers FC and we all have a right to discuss and debate it within reasonable bounds.
I haven't seen anybody "enjoying" any aspect of this sorry debacle. It is a great shame to see Mason damage or even completely ruin his promising career in one act, and I think we all here know that there is only sadness and regret on all sides of this event.
I found the fact that his lawyer tried to use "he has stopped going out" as some kind of sympathetic notion in the trial. How about the victim? How must she feel when she wants to go out and enjoy social time now, potentially scared/worried/concerned that this may happen to her again? I feel like too many people in discussing this whole thing have completely ignored or forgotten the impact Mason's actions will have had on this woman, and that is the crux of this whole thing. He has put his hands on her when she has expressly told him not to, and he has continued to do it in a seemingly aggressive way. It is not right, it is most certainly illegal and no person, male or female, deserves to be subject to that at any time, by anybody.
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Mason through an act of total stupidly has most probably ended his career at DRFC . His punishment almost renders him out in the cold working with young people and his offence will travel everywhere until he faces up to his part in the situation by making a statement and offering a ful apology to his accuser and her family . Nothing short of an appeal by them will see him stay on now . I can not think of any player who after having their careers nose dive , go on to build a career inspite of the offence .
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
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If you care to follow this link you will find the 17-year-old son of 2 police officers, high on cannabis, killing 2 pedestrians and getting 100 hours community service. Even the measly £105 costs will be paid by his parents.
Yes, he also has a curfew (5 days out of 7) and a driving course to attend, but seriously, is the law being applied fairly across the board with punishments that fit the crime?
I appreciate being born long before the 'me-to' movement gained traction and I'm not defending or dismissing the actions of Mason, but a bit of perspective is required.
The word assault has wide ranging connotations from verbal, through touching to battery. Its an emotive description rather than specific. When folk Labour the term assault, or he assaulted her, the implication is gross rather than simplistic.
The question remains, does he show contrition, can he be rehabilitated, can he be forgiven?
Link: https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/photos/a.318561181625168/1327911780690098/?type=3&theater
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The way that certain posters spew out the words “ sex offender” is the reason this debate should be stopped, ...
Justice much higher than the verbal opinions of the “tabloid informed” has been served...if the punishment had been a custodial one then I agree that this footballers career at Doncaster is over, however it appears that the severely “ tabloid informed” are also wanting there collective pound of flesh....
A million young ladies will have been groped over the weekend, and a million lucky fellas will have got a Cokc rub squeezing to the bar ....
This shit happens all the time, and girls deal with it, ...
I can’t help but think if it had not been a professional footballer, and just some regular leery young guy, ...would she have slapped him away and moved on , and would her friend have sought the assistance of others to have him removed...
I will never know the true context of this encounter, ...neither will any of you!
But I am prepared to forgive him and allow him to become the best he can , rather than forever point a finger and use words that alienate him from his family and friends....
You lot don’t seem to think about how his family will also be held accountable......
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"This shit happens all the time, and girls deal with it"
What an ignorant, out-of-touch and frankly offensive thing to say. Girls shouldn't have to just "deal with it". It isn't the 70s anymore Sha66y, the world has rightly moved on and men cannot go around just touching women wherever and whenever they please because they like the look of them.
That attitude is EXACTLY why people like Niall Mason find themselves in the predicament he now does.
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The way that certain posters spew out the words “ sex offender” is the reason this debate should be stopped, ...
Justice much higher than the verbal opinions of the “tabloid informed” has been served...if the punishment had been a custodial one then I agree that this footballers career at Doncaster is over, however it appears that the severely “ tabloid informed” are also wanting there collective pound of flesh....
A million young ladies will have been groped over the weekend, and a million lucky fellas will have got a Cokc rub squeezing to the bar ....
This shit happens all the time, and girls deal with it, ...
I can’t help but think if it had not been a professional footballer, and just some regular leery young guy, ...would she have slapped him away and moved on , and would her friend have sought the assistance of others to have him removed...
I will never know the true context of this encounter, ...neither will any of you!
But I am prepared to forgive him and allow him to become the best he can , rather than forever point a finger and use words that alienate him from his family and friends....
You lot don’t seem to think about how his family will also be held accountable......
You are missing the point entirely.. me and I assume the other posters aren’t pointing a finger at Mason to say “pervert” in respect of the “sex offender” tag..
It is a debate on how the club deals with the situation of having a player on the sex offenders register.. that is a fact of law and not an opinion about the whys and wherefores of Mason’s case..
Can’t you see the difference.??
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If you care to follow this link you will find the 17-year-old son of 2 police officers, high on cannabis, killing 2 pedestrians and getting 100 hours community service. Even the measly £105 costs will be paid by his parents.
Yes, he also has a curfew (5 days out of 7) and a driving course to attend, but seriously, is the law being applied fairly across the board with punishments that fit the crime?
I appreciate being born long before the 'me-to' movement gained traction and I'm not defending or dismissing the actions of Mason, but a bit of perspective is required.
The word assault has wide ranging connotations from verbal, through touching to battery. Its an emotive description rather than specific. When folk Labour the term assault, or he assaulted her, the implication is gross rather than simplistic.
The question remains, does he show contrition, can he be rehabilitated, can he be forgiven?
Link: https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/photos/a.318561181625168/1327911780690098/?type=3&theater
I think folks are using the term “assault” as that is the legal terminology and what was charged.
It does as you pointed out cover a wide range of offences some much more severe, but use of the word is not incorrect here..?
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Please don't think I'm jumping to the defence of Mason. He did wrong, he should be appropriately punished and it should end there.
If you and I have a disagreement and you put hour hand on my wrist it can be deemed an assault. If you happen to be in law enforcement some snowflake might even cry police brutality.
The courts have dealt with this matter, some might say rather severely, some may not. It is surely not our role to judge, nor is it fair to portray him as some kind of threat to children or indeed otherwise.
He will need help and support following this. Presumably, so will his family. I cannot speak for the victim but there's a nagging doubt behind all this that had he not been a footballer the incident might have been dealt with very differently.
I'm trusting this is not a pattern of his behaviour, not one of many similar pending offences, nor something he's going to repeat in the future?
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The way that certain posters spew out the words “ sex offender” is the reason this debate should be stopped, ...
Justice much higher than the verbal opinions of the “tabloid informed” has been served...if the punishment had been a custodial one then I agree that this footballers career at Doncaster is over, however it appears that the severely “ tabloid informed” are also wanting there collective pound of flesh....
A million young ladies will have been groped over the weekend, and a million lucky fellas will have got a Cokc rub squeezing to the bar ....
This shit happens all the time, and girls deal with it, ...
I can’t help but think if it had not been a professional footballer, and just some regular leery young guy, ...would she have slapped him away and moved on , and would her friend have sought the assistance of others to have him removed...
I will never know the true context of this encounter, ...neither will any of you!
But I am prepared to forgive him and allow him to become the best he can , rather than forever point a finger and use words that alienate him from his family and friends....
You lot don’t seem to think about how his family will also be held accountable......
You are missing the point entirely.. me and I assume the other posters aren’t pointing a finger at Mason to say “pervert” in respect of the “sex offender” tag..
It is a debate on how the club deals with the situation of having a player on the sex offenders register.. that is a fact of law and not an opinion about the whys and wherefores of Mason’s case..
Can’t you see the difference.??
me and I assume the other posters aren’t pointing a finger at Mason to say “pervert” in respect of the “sex offender” tag..
It surely feels that way, ... the constant reference to the tag “ sex offender” kinda negates your statement....
If fellow posters just wrote:
“ i think Niall should be sacked because of this conviction”
then the debatable points are SACKED and CONVICTION,
Of which many would agree or not on the SACKING,
The reasons for the CONVICTION, do not need to be debated at length....
something happened, and Niall has admitted that.....he has been convicted, so the debate should be whether he can keep his career at Doncaster Rovers or not....
I seem to be among just a few that sees this offence as an unfortunate incident, and the “slap on the wrist” sentence handed down by the JUDGE, seems to confirm the gravity placed upon it,
otherwise he would be locked up...
This is how the mole hill became a mountain, this is how the Salom trials started .....lol
that’s my bit said on this thread, I don’t cast stones without all the facts, and I’m not satisfied with what I’ve read ....
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Good grief next week can't come quick enough, you will all be out of your misery then. Oh but those who want him sacked or those who don't will still bleat about the decision made by the Club
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
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The way that certain posters spew out the words “ sex offender” is the reason this debate should be stopped, ...
Justice much higher than the verbal opinions of the “tabloid informed” has been served...if the punishment had been a custodial one then I agree that this footballers career at Doncaster is over, however it appears that the severely “ tabloid informed” are also wanting there collective pound of flesh....
A million young ladies will have been groped over the weekend, and a million lucky fellas will have got a Cokc rub squeezing to the bar ....
This shit happens all the time, and girls deal with it, ...
I can’t help but think if it had not been a professional footballer, and just some regular leery young guy, ...would she have slapped him away and moved on , and would her friend have sought the assistance of others to have him removed...
I will never know the true context of this encounter, ...neither will any of you!
But I am prepared to forgive him and allow him to become the best he can , rather than forever point a finger and use words that alienate him from his family and friends....
You lot don’t seem to think about how his family will also be held accountable......
You are missing the point entirely.. me and I assume the other posters aren’t pointing a finger at Mason to say “pervert” in respect of the “sex offender” tag..
It is a debate on how the club deals with the situation of having a player on the sex offenders register.. that is a fact of law and not an opinion about the whys and wherefores of Mason’s case..
Can’t you see the difference.??
me and I assume the other posters aren’t pointing a finger at Mason to say “pervert” in respect of the “sex offender” tag..
It surely feels that way, ... the constant reference to the tag “ sex offender” kinda negates your statement....
If fellow posters just wrote:
“ i think Niall should be sacked because of this conviction”
then the debatable points are SACKED and CONVICTION,
Of which many would agree or not on the SACKING,
The reasons for the CONVICTION, do not need to be debated at length....
something happened, and Niall has admitted that.....he has been convicted, so the debate should be whether he can keep his career at Doncaster Rovers or not....
I seem to be among just a few that sees this offence as an unfortunate incident, and the “slap on the wrist” sentence handed down by the JUDGE, seems to confirm the gravity placed upon it,
otherwise he would be locked up...
This is how the mole hill became a mountain, this is how the Salom trials started .....lol
that’s my bit said on this thread, I don’t cast stones without all the facts, and I’m not satisfied with what I’ve read ....
It isn’t me nor any other poster labelling him a sex offender, it was the court.!!
All I am doing is adding to the debate on what the club does in this situation.. I am not calling for Mason to be sacked nor the details of his case, but leaving that to the club..
Whereas you seem to be belittling the seriousness of the offence..
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He’s not a rapist, so why would he be persecuted as one..
A drunken fumble - according to the reports the woman said no so being drunk is no excuse..
There’s only one apology needed and that isn’t to anyone else..
Hes done just what you said - but is already a "nonce" on Pompey Forum which I think has an entirely different meaning
The Club have a very very difficult judgement / deciion to make here and I too dont envy them that decision and I will also accept whatever they decide.
Wolfie, wether we like it or not, it is what it is. He has done nothing near what you would associate that word with, however as stated above he is now a registered sex offender, which makes him:
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It’s a dirty tag, and maybe an unfair one, but it’s only an abbreviation of something that appears accurate mate
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Going by the popular interpretations of what that word means, and what offences it is usually applied to, it is quite wrong to aim it at Mason..
I’m not going to spell it out on here as anyone can use google..
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Mason hasn’t violated a child though has he.
No one's evenly remotely suggested or even raised that issue but you.
If you know the law regarding the sex offenders register and enhanced CRB checks or whatever then make an interjection...
CiM, I raised the point in response to a couple of previous posters who had suggested he might not be allowed to hold the hand of a child coming onto the pitch.
Nothing more and nothing less.
I certainly wasn’t suggesting anything untoward in Nialls behaviour where children are concerned.
There was no need to highlight my post at all.
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender is.
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
So what your saying is that a person convicted of drunk driving will reoffend as a sex offender . Freudiant ?
A convicted drun driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
So what your saying is that a person convicted of drunk driving will reoffend as a sex offender . Freudiant ?
A convicted drun driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
Only someone with a warped mind would bend my post into something like that.
Also, next time you might want to write your reply in the right order, not in the middle of two posts you were highlighting.
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It does surprise me how many in this thread almost feel it's a minor offence. It isn't at all and is not in any way acceptable.
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A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
You forgot to add "FACT".
BTW you're talking out of your arse
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
I'm talking about those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving rather than those with drink driving convictions. The rate at which those with death by dangerous driving convictions commit serious further offences is relatively low, lower than that of convicted sex offenders (although this too is lower than offenders in general) which was my original point.
I wouldn't have bothered defending my point had you not ridiculously called me a moron but there we are.
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A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
You forgot to add "FACT".
BTW you're talking out of your arse
And why am I?
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
I'm talking about those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving rather than those with drink driving convictions. The rate at which those with death by dangerous driving convictions commit serious further offences is relatively low, lower than that of convicted sex offenders (although this too is lower than offenders in general) which was my original point.
I wouldn't have bothered defending my point had you not ridiculously called me a moron but there we are.
Well as it wasn’t me who called you a moron I will await your apology for that remark.
An honourable man wouldn’t hesitate.
See post number 349.
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A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender.
You forgot to add "FACT".
BTW you're talking out of your arse
Most offenders re-offend hence why they put in place for example re-education for drink drivers and courses for sex offenders punishment is rarely enough unless you change their mindset
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Most re-offend? Seriously? Care to share the links to where you get this outrageous claim from? This is from the BBC web site:
"In 2015/16, 2.9% of registered sex offenders breached their notification requirements leading to caution or conviction."
"These are breaches of registration requirements, not new sexual offences."
"In the same year, 0.13% of registered sex offenders were charged with a serious further offence."
That's barely one in a thousand re-offenders. And it takes into account some seriously deranged serial offenders. Drfchound may have a point. And yes, these are FACTS and not the fictitious claims you appear more than happy to pedal.
Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40451318
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Seems to be mainly older guys who think "back in my day we groped a woman for breakfast and she wouldn't say jack".
In the real world it's simple, if a woman says no then don't do it. It's wrong. Especially don't put your hand up her top.
Mason clearly has the mentality of most footballers, I'm rich and play football so every girl wants me.
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Most re-offend? Seriously? Care to share the links to where you get this outrageous claim from? This is from the BBC web site:
"In 2015/16, 2.9% of registered sex offenders breached their notification requirements leading to caution or conviction."
"These are breaches of registration requirements, not new sexual offences."
"In the same year, 0.13% of registered sex offenders were charged with a serious further offence."
That's barely one in a thousand re-offenders. And it takes into account some seriously deranged serial offenders. Drfchound may have a point. And yes, these are FACTS and not the fictitious claims you appear more than happy to pedal.
Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40451318
Interesting article but it does raise questions about how headline recidivism statistics are presented. For instance, one study I am aware of that was carried out over three years, as opposed to the one year in that article, reported a recidivism rate of about 5% amongst sex offenders. While this still suggests the overwhelming majority of sex offenders don't reoffend, it presents a very different image of risk to the 0.13% quoted in the BBC.
This is all before we even take into account the fact that the majority of sexual offences are never even reported.
It's a very interesting topic, but this probably isn't the place for it!
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Can we put this in off topic now.
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Bearing in mind the depravity of some who would be included in the statistics, even 5% falls a long, long way short of 'most re-offend'.
I for one am not defending his actions. I'm merely on the side of appropriate punishment when a crime is committed. That punishment was delivered by the courts.
Without drawing direct comparisons to the crimes, there will be folk using this forum who have criminal convictions, most likely but not restricted to their driving licenses. Should they have been punished by the courts, then hounded on social media, been sacked from their place of employment and maybe banned from driving forever?
No. Not unless they were habitual offenders and a danger to others. If there's one person in the whole of Doncaster less likely than Mason to commit the same crime I'd love to see him!
Anyway. Enough of this. The club will reach a decision this week.
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I agree with the 2 Posts above
Lets leave it for now - and await what could be a tremedously difficult decision (to make) from the Club
THEN lets support that decision whether it goes the way you think / hope it will and move on
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Most re-offend? Seriously? Care to share the links to where you get this outrageous claim from? This is from the BBC web site:
"In 2015/16, 2.9% of registered sex offenders breached their notification requirements leading to caution or conviction."
"These are breaches of registration requirements, not new sexual offences."
"In the same year, 0.13% of registered sex offenders were charged with a serious further offence."
That's barely one in a thousand re-offenders. And it takes into account some seriously deranged serial offenders. Drfchound may have a point. And yes, these are FACTS and not the fictitious claims you appear more than happy to pedal.
Ref: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40451318
I said most offenders not most sex offenders re-offend
The reason that less sex offenders don't re-offend is due to re-education courses, supervision and MAPPA oversight
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It does surprise me how many in this thread almost feel it's a minor offence. It isn't at all and is not in any way acceptable.
That's just a reflection of society I think.
Until we start making examples of people, giving them punishments and showing that this behavior is acceptable we will always have people taking liberties.
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I think the ball's in Mason's court to influence what happens from here. It's no doubt a complex issue, but given that he has pleaded guilty, it follows that he must show remorse and apologise to the victim, and he can demonstrate moves he's making to make sure he never does this again. A positive could come out of this for him and the club - he's done wrong but full heartedly takes it on and talks about the issue and how respect is important.... something like that.
If he goes quiet on the matter and it's his intention to continue in that way, whether actually guilty or not in the full context (just saying, not judging), then the club have no option but to move him on.
As for the Sex Offenders Register issue, he absolutely should be on that. However, there should be a Child Sex Offenders Register, they are two completely different crimes.
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As for the Sex Offenders Register issue, he absolutely should be on that. However, there should be a Child Sex Offenders Register, they are two completely different crimes.
Yes, one is committed by the depraved and the other by those without the ability to behave with decency and respect for others.
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Wasn’t there a meeting yesterday
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender is.
That's utter rubbish. People (me included) have done things that we are all ashamed of when we were younger, once grown up enough to realise how stupid you have been then reoffending will not happen in most cases.
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It depends what you define as "worse". I'd argue that Mason, a convicted sex offender and an individual who poses a safeguarding issue, poses a much greater risk of harm than someone convicted of causing death by dangerous driving.
sorry - someone who's been convicted of a sexual assault poses "a much greater risk of harm" than someone who drives pissed and has killed two children - are you a moron ?
just consider the words "assault" and "death" - which one visits the gravest degree of harm on the victim and their loved ones ?
I'm talking about future harm, hence the word risk.
A convicted drunk driver is just as likely to reoffend as a convicted sex offender is.
That's utter rubbish. People (me included) have done things that we are all ashamed of when we were younger, once grown up enough to realise how stupid you have been then reoffending will not happen in most cases.
Hang on, not all drunk drivers are young people.
Also although some people learn from their errors and don’t re-offend but there are plenty of people who don’t mend their ways.
Someone very close to me is a Police Sergeant and he has to deal with serial re-offenders every day, including people who haven’t learned that they can’t drink and drive despite having been prosecuted previously for the same offence.
My original post is far from being utter rubbish.
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The most frustrating thing is I believe rovers paid villa £200000 for him and invested in potential
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He still has the potential.
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He still has the potential.
To be sacked
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Enough is Enough end it now
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Folks,
Let’s wait for the club’s procedures to be concluded.??
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He still has the potential.
To be sacked
I didn’t say who with bedale.
If it isn’t with us it will be elsewhere.
He is a very good player.
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Two year deal for me otherwise we’re chucking a million away. We’ve all been young and stupid!
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I don’t think the bigger situation is about Mason himself, it’s about how the club deals with having a player on the sex offenders list.. IMHO of course, and that’s no reflection of how we came to be in that situation..
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I don't think it helps that he's out of contract at the end of the season. If he gets a new deal (which he certainly would have before this) it could be seen as a reward. It's tricky for the club who now seem destined to lose a valuable asset.
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Drinking alcohol clearly has important effect on social behaviors, such as increasing aggression, self-disclosure, sexual adventuresomeness, and so on. Research has shown that these effects can stem from beliefs we hold about alcohol effects. Less is known about how alcohol itself affects these behaviors. A cognitive explanation, that alcohol impairs the information processing needed to inhibit response impulses--the abilities to foresee negative consequences of the response, to recall inhibiting standards, and so on--has begun to emerge. We hypothesize that alcohol impairment will make a social response more extreme or excessive when the response is pressured by both inhibiting and instigating cues--in our terms, when it is under inhibitory response conflict. In that case, alcohol's damage to inhibitory processing allows instigating pressures more sway over the response, increasing its extremeness. In the present meta-analysis, each published test of alcohol's effect on a social, or socially significant behavior was rated (validated against independent judges) as to whether it was under high or low inhibitory conflict. Over low-conflict tests, intoxicated subjects behaved only a tenth of a standard deviation more extremely than their sober controls, whereas over high-conflict tests they were a full standard deviation more extreme. The effect of conflict increased with alcohol dosage, was shown not to be mediated by drinking expectancies, and generalized with few exceptions across the 34 studies and 12 social behaviors included in this analysis.
Alcohol = adventuresomeness = public apology = forgiveness = new contract and possible life path change = justice has been served..
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You cannot excuse a sexual assault to drinking..
Yet again the issue isn’t now about the particulars of the offence, more how the club deals with a player on then sex offenders list, whatever people think about how that has come about..
Had this have been a conviction for assault as in having a fight, I assume it would have been much less of an issue for the club to deal with..
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Drinking alcohol clearly has important effect on social behaviors, such as increasing aggression, self-disclosure, sexual adventuresomeness, and so on. Research has shown that these effects can stem from beliefs we hold about alcohol effects. Less is known about how alcohol itself affects these behaviors. A cognitive explanation, that alcohol impairs the information processing needed to inhibit response impulses--the abilities to foresee negative consequences of the response, to recall inhibiting standards, and so on--has begun to emerge. We hypothesize that alcohol impairment will make a social response more extreme or excessive when the response is pressured by both inhibiting and instigating cues--in our terms, when it is under inhibitory response conflict. In that case, alcohol's damage to inhibitory processing allows instigating pressures more sway over the response, increasing its extremeness. In the present meta-analysis, each published test of alcohol's effect on a social, or socially significant behavior was rated (validated against independent judges) as to whether it was under high or low inhibitory conflict. Over low-conflict tests, intoxicated subjects behaved only a tenth of a standard deviation more extremely than their sober controls, whereas over high-conflict tests they were a full standard deviation more extreme. The effect of conflict increased with alcohol dosage, was shown not to be mediated by drinking expectancies, and generalized with few exceptions across the 34 studies and 12 social behaviors included in this analysis.
Alcohol = adventuresomeness = public apology = forgiveness = new contract and possible life path change = justice has been served..
I think I've just lost my last scrap of faith in the benefits of the internet.
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I have got drunk many, many times. I have never once sexuality assaulted a woman, including groping bums, breasts or anything else. Alcohol does lower inhibition, but you also have to have the character to do certain things, therefore alcohol is not an excuse.
I think the club want to keep their image as a family friendly club, and this controversy is too damaging to that image. Mason will be let go.
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Have I missed anything announced about Mason, or is it still an ongoing matter with the club?
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I am on here and all other Media and have seen nothing announced and when it is I expect it to be front and centre NOT hidden away in any way
I am being patient because I feel as I probably said on here somewhere (Edit - reply #377) this is a colosally difficult decision for all involved BUT whichever way the Club decide will be fine by me.
After all the Flag doing the rounds v Palace said " In Rovers we trust"
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I don’t think the bigger situation is about Mason himself, it’s about how the club deals with having a player on the sex offenders list.. IMHO of course, and that’s no reflection of how we came to be in that situation..
I think more nieve more than anything
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Vicar your response to my quote does not follow at all..
How does any naivety affect how the club deals with having an employee on the sex offenders register.?
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The club will handle it how they see fit, And all we have to do is trust them that when they have gone through the appropriate system, know all the facts, they will make the right decision.
One thing I did notice was that in the programme versus Peterborough, all trace of him being in the squad was missing, no photograph or write up on the squad.
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Drinking alcohol clearly has important effect on social behaviors, such as increasing aggression, self-disclosure, sexual adventuresomeness, and so on. Research has shown that these effects can stem from beliefs we hold about alcohol effects. Less is known about how alcohol itself affects these behaviors. A cognitive explanation, that alcohol impairs the information processing needed to inhibit response impulses--the abilities to foresee negative consequences of the response, to recall inhibiting standards, and so on--has begun to emerge. We hypothesize that alcohol impairment will make a social response more extreme or excessive when the response is pressured by both inhibiting and instigating cues--in our terms, when it is under inhibitory response conflict. In that case, alcohol's damage to inhibitory processing allows instigating pressures more sway over the response, increasing its extremeness. In the present meta-analysis, each published test of alcohol's effect on a social, or socially significant behavior was rated (validated against independent judges) as to whether it was under high or low inhibitory conflict. Over low-conflict tests, intoxicated subjects behaved only a tenth of a standard deviation more extremely than their sober controls, whereas over high-conflict tests they were a full standard deviation more extreme. The effect of conflict increased with alcohol dosage, was shown not to be mediated by drinking expectancies, and generalized with few exceptions across the 34 studies and 12 social behaviors included in this analysis.
Alcohol = adventuresomeness = public apology = forgiveness = new contract and possible life path change = justice has been served..
You're right mate. Who among us hasn't gone out for a few pints and ended up on the sex offender's register?
Oh, that's right... everyone. Jesus wept.
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Can't see the point in resorting to wild speculation again or testing other peoples moral compass. As Selby says, we should just trust the club on this matter.
Personally, I don't think they owe me any form of statement. I don't need to know. Our preparation for the next game goes on. Business as usual until someone tells us any different.
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Exactly right. I thought we had done ths to death already
All will be revealed when there is anything to say and at the moment there is nothing new we can add here imo
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I wouldnt be surprised to see him given a new deal under reduced terms. Hes a good player but his options now will be very limited due to his own stupidity. Seems to be an occupational requirement amongst footballers at times🙄.
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I wouldnt be surprised to see him given a new deal under reduced terms. Hes a good player but his options now will be very limited due to his own stupidity. Seems to be an occupational requirement amongst footballers at times🙄.
Why would he accept reduced terms? He'll just go somewhere else on probably a better deal than he already has. He's good enough, he'll get a second chance in football.
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I think if the club were going to sack him they'd have done it by now.
As for Niall, his options are severely limited.
So I hope that Rovers give him a new deal and bring a contrite Mason back into the team some time next season.
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As has been said, let’s wait and see..
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I picked up on Radio Sheffields interview with McCann after Palace when questioned why Matty Blair played at RB over Lewis, his response was along the lines of Matty deserved it following on from other FA cup performances and he has '2 good players in that position' presumably referring to Matty Blair and Aaron Lewis...
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I think misdemeanours should be dealt with in Court and judgements of the act made there .Subsequent judgements not of the act but of the individual on social media often say more of the posters than of the individual judged .
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Looks likely to me that rather than sack him and go through all the paperwork with the PFA, they're just going to keep him on the books until his contract expires in the summer and it gives Rovers an easy out.
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Looks likely to me that rather than sack him and go through all the paperwork with the PFA, they're just going to keep him on the books until his contract expires in the summer and it gives Rovers an easy out.
My thoughts exactly.
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Drinking alcohol clearly has important effect on social behaviors, such as increasing aggression, self-disclosure, sexual adventuresomeness, and so on. Research has shown that these effects can stem from beliefs we hold about alcohol effects. Less is known about how alcohol itself affects these behaviors. A cognitive explanation, that alcohol impairs the information processing needed to inhibit response impulses--the abilities to foresee negative consequences of the response, to recall inhibiting standards, and so on--has begun to emerge. We hypothesize that alcohol impairment will make a social response more extreme or excessive when the response is pressured by both inhibiting and instigating cues--in our terms, when it is under inhibitory response conflict. In that case, alcohol's damage to inhibitory processing allows instigating pressures more sway over the response, increasing its extremeness. In the present meta-analysis, each published test of alcohol's effect on a social, or socially significant behavior was rated (validated against independent judges) as to whether it was under high or low inhibitory conflict. Over low-conflict tests, intoxicated subjects behaved only a tenth of a standard deviation more extremely than their sober controls, whereas over high-conflict tests they were a full standard deviation more extreme. The effect of conflict increased with alcohol dosage, was shown not to be mediated by drinking expectancies, and generalized with few exceptions across the 34 studies and 12 social behaviors included in this analysis.
Alcohol = adventuresomeness = public apology = forgiveness = new contract and possible life path change = justice has been served..
You're right mate. Who among us hasn't gone out for a few pints and ended up on the sex offender's register?
Oh, that's right... everyone. Jesus wept.
I’m sure you are aware that this is a cut and paste job from the internet and not necessarily my own viewpoint...
I do tend to add humour to a volatile subject to give it balance...
I saw a guy in a pub in Donny bury his face in a woman’s hair as she squeezed past him..... I’m wondering what that is classed as ?
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Is there any value in putting NM on some sort of course (I know this has been done for racially motivated assaults in the past) - I’m by no means trying to lessen the crime
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Is there any value in putting NM on some sort of course (I know this has been done for racially motivated assaults in the past) - I’m by no means trying to lessen the crime
His contract is up at the end of the season , so they either offer him terms or someone else WILL.
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Yep I know, just thought that offer of a contract dependant upon completion of a course could satisfy everyone
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He will be probably be due a loyalty bonus when his contact expires as well.
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I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned before on this thread but a major factor whether he is offered a contract might be other players. No one knows what some of them feel about playing with him There could well be some issues in the dressing room