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Title: Agent fees
Post by: DearneValleyRover on April 05, 2019, 10:10:02 am
The FA released money spent on agent fees for the season today (or more accurately, from Feb 1st 2018 until January 31st 2019):

1, Sunderland, £2,873,033;
2, Barnsley, £428,580;
3, Charlton Athletic, £205,095;
4, Portsmouth, £183,790;
5, Fleetwood Town, £183,356;
6, Peterborough United £176,465;
7, Oxford United, £160,678;
8, Coventry City, £155,909;
9, Bradford City, £154,410;
10, Burton Albion, £131,002;
11, Scunthorpe United, 126,207;
12, Luton Town, £124,069;
13, Bristol Rovers, £96,852;
14, Plymouth Argyle, £91,370;
15, Doncaster Rovers, £88,753;
16, Shrewsbury Town, £77,042;
17, AFC Wimbledon, 62,173;
18, Walsall, £55,499;
19, Blackpool, £45,838;
20, Southend United, £44,658;
21, Rochdale, £42,497;
22, Gillingham, £28,088;
23, Wycombe, £19,500;
24, Accrington Stanley, £4,815.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: since-1969 on April 05, 2019, 10:18:11 am
They don’t represent any advantage as to League positioning or out come . Looks like Luton got good value for money and Sunderland are just hoping it still maybe .
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: DonnyOsmond on April 05, 2019, 10:21:37 am
That's crazy for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: wing commander on April 05, 2019, 10:29:05 am
   Sunderland to be fair had some decent big money departures after successive relegations which would effect that..
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: keith79 on April 05, 2019, 11:53:36 am
What would happen if clubs refused to deal with agents.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: NickDRFC on April 05, 2019, 12:20:54 pm
I reckon we've overpaid by £88,753.

Sunderland's bill is mad. I've not looked into it but even if they've brought in as many a 15 players that's still almost £200k agent fees per player. Which is probably more than the record transfer fee paid by several clubs in this division.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: idler on April 05, 2019, 12:25:35 pm
I reckon we've overpaid by £88,753.

Sunderland's bill is mad. I've not looked into it but even if they've brought in as many a 15 players that's still almost £200k agent fees per player. Which is probably more than the record transfer fee paid by several clubs in this division.
They probably paid agents to move expensive flops on rather than bring in players. It’s a stupid amount of money but we don’t know how much it reduced their wage bill.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: NickDRFC on April 05, 2019, 12:27:11 pm
I reckon we've overpaid by £88,753.

Sunderland's bill is mad. I've not looked into it but even if they've brought in as many a 15 players that's still almost £200k agent fees per player. Which is probably more than the record transfer fee paid by several clubs in this division.
They probably paid agents to move expensive flops on rather than bring in players. It’s a stupid amount of money but we don’t know how much it reduced their wage bill.

True, that’s a fair point I’d not considered. I’d assume that buying clubs normally pay agents fees but they’d have been desperate to sell several players so it wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve covered the fees.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: since-1969 on April 05, 2019, 12:49:01 pm
I reckon we've overpaid by £88,753.
   
Since1969: I’m surprised the amount paid by any club but in our case if this amount gets you Kane Wilks Downing etc then it’s been an investment rather than an over head .
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: GazLaz on April 05, 2019, 12:55:51 pm
They don’t represent any advantage as to League positioning or out come . Looks like Luton got good value for money and Sunderland are just hoping it still maybe .

There is a slight reflection to the league table to be fair.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on April 05, 2019, 01:01:27 pm
It seems like a lot but it isn't really.  In normal industry these would be quite normal values when you think about it.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: NickDRFC on April 05, 2019, 01:14:44 pm
It seems like a lot but it isn't really.  In normal industry these would be quite normal values when you think about it.

I don’t think it’s comprable to “normal industry” though. I’ve used recruitment agents before to find me talent and I’ll happily pay their agent fees for that as they’re doing something I couldn’t necessarily do myself. Football agents are just negotiating the best deal for heir clients - really the fees should come out of the players’ pocket rather than the club.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: retford rover on April 05, 2019, 01:44:38 pm
tottenham spent 11 million on agents and did not buy a player according to Sky
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: GazLaz on April 05, 2019, 02:17:22 pm
tottenham spent 11 million on agents and did not buy a player according to Sky

They are also used to get rid of players and no doubt take a wage to get their players to sign new deals.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: Chris Black come back on April 05, 2019, 03:05:45 pm
Pleased we are down bottom end of that table. Granted you may have to grease palms but if you are a good club going places and paying market rate you should not need to rely on agent favours.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on April 05, 2019, 03:37:19 pm
It seems like a lot but it isn't really.  In normal industry these would be quite normal values when you think about it.

I don’t think it’s comprable to “normal industry” though. I’ve used recruitment agents before to find me talent and I’ll happily pay their agent fees for that as they’re doing something I couldn’t necessarily do myself. Football agents are just negotiating the best deal for heir clients - really the fees should come out of the players’ pocket rather than the club.

Was more thinking at our level. Clearly not at the top level.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: StocktonRover on April 05, 2019, 04:30:36 pm
Re-signing an existing player on new terms still incurs agent fees as well.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: tyke1962 on April 05, 2019, 07:07:18 pm
Pleased we are down bottom end of that table. Granted you may have to grease palms but if you are a good club going places and paying market rate you should not need to rely on agent favours.

Unfortunately you have to deal with agents whether you like it or not .

Players sign agreements with their agent which stipulates that they are not only the first point of contact but they are also to negotiate the process all the way , with their client's input too I'd imagine .

It's unavoidable I'm afraid , the fact we have paid these locusts nearly half a million quid will never sit right with me .

To be honest I think Rovers come out of this pretty well with what you've spent compared to us .
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: drfchound on April 05, 2019, 07:15:02 pm
They don’t represent any advantage as to League positioning or out come . Looks like Luton got good value for money and Sunderland are just hoping it still maybe .





In the list posted by DVR, five of the top six are in the top seven clubs in the league table.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: Drover on April 05, 2019, 10:12:57 pm
That's crazy for Sunderland.

And they still could'nt get Big John, :cool: :lol:
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: NickDRFC on April 06, 2019, 11:57:35 am
It seems like a lot but it isn't really.  In normal industry these would be quite normal values when you think about it.

I don’t think it’s comprable to “normal industry” though. I’ve used recruitment agents before to find me talent and I’ll happily pay their agent fees for that as they’re doing something I couldn’t necessarily do myself. Football agents are just negotiating the best deal for heir clients - really the fees should come out of the players’ pocket rather than the club.

Was more thinking at our level. Clearly not at the top level.

How is it different at our level? Whatever level you’re at, the agent is still trying to get the highest wedge for their client.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: godlike1 on April 06, 2019, 01:54:40 pm
Interesting that Barton is complaining about how much money other clubs can spend when they are in the top 5 of that list.

Just goes to show how clueless the bloke is
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: Chris Black come back on April 06, 2019, 05:32:50 pm
Dislike them almost as much as Wycombe.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: drfchound on April 06, 2019, 06:34:57 pm
Interesting that Barton is complaining about how much money other clubs can spend when they are in the top 5 of that list.

Just goes to show how clueless the bloke is





Big time Charlie.
Title: Re: Agent fees
Post by: Tazemma on April 07, 2019, 01:13:29 pm
It’s about time they capped the fees a third party can earn from a transfer deal. Agents are the most corrupt people in football. They inflate prices and purposely unsettle players at clubs to engineer moves.