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Title: No Copps
Post by: NickDRFC on April 23, 2019, 06:52:13 pm
Not even on the bench. Anderson, Crawford & May in for Butler, Whiteman & Coppinger. Bench of Jones, Butler, Sadlier, Whiteman, Beestin, Smith, Lewis.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: steve@dcfd on April 23, 2019, 07:05:10 pm
Is he injured or as there been words after being subbed at half time.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Chris Black come back on April 23, 2019, 07:08:45 pm
If everyone has to earn their place and all are equal then think most folk would agree that after Sunderland he lost his claim for this game. To not be on bench suggests something else though. Maybe a knock.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: wing commander on April 23, 2019, 07:15:37 pm
If he argued about getting hooked at Sunderland he hasn't got a leg to stand on as he was abysmal..but not to make the bench he's probably injured..
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: idler on April 23, 2019, 08:27:48 pm
He might be being rested for a supposedly harder game on Saturday.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Danmckay456 on April 23, 2019, 08:44:12 pm
Sums us up still relying on copps to bail us out it needs addressing once and for all at the end of the season
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: esdailles left foot on April 23, 2019, 09:57:26 pm
Rested...... with 3 games to go
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Retdon1 on April 23, 2019, 10:24:06 pm
GM: "James Coppinger has been rested. It's something I don't want to disclose in public
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: phil old leake on April 23, 2019, 10:33:57 pm
Does this sound like he’s been dropped rather than rested
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: RedJ on April 23, 2019, 10:36:00 pm
Sums us up still relying on copps to bail us out it needs addressing once and for all at the end of the season

What exactly does relying on a player that's quality at the level you're at sum up?
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Bezza on April 23, 2019, 10:37:30 pm
Well if he was dropped or rested he was certainly missed .
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: jamesrover17 on April 23, 2019, 10:43:35 pm
Curtain finally dropping perhaps, I certainly hope not
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: mushRTID on April 23, 2019, 10:45:10 pm
Personal reasons.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Danmckay456 on April 23, 2019, 11:03:33 pm
Not doubting copps ability but how many teams in the country rely on a player his age ??
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: dickos1 on April 23, 2019, 11:05:59 pm
Having him in the side makes us better, doesn’t mean we’re relying on him
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Drover on April 23, 2019, 11:09:23 pm
Does this sound like he’s been dropped rather than rested

Maybe,he just does'nt want to admit in public he made a mistake resting him.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: RedJ on April 23, 2019, 11:13:48 pm
Not doubting copps ability but how many teams in the country rely on a player his age ??

What's his age got to do with it? Does it matter when he's as good as he is?
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: since-1969 on April 23, 2019, 11:22:04 pm
Personal reasons.
He was subbed at half time at Sunderland now not played tonight ..., injured or finally legs have gone ! 
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: jackthelad on April 23, 2019, 11:30:17 pm
Or maybe just personal reasons as GM said?

Players do have private lives aswell.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Red Baron on April 24, 2019, 12:36:56 am
GM: "James Coppinger has been rested. It's something I don't want to disclose in public

If there are personal reasons, wouldn't it be better to say just that? It could be personal reasons but that could also be read as a bust-up.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: RoversAlias on April 24, 2019, 01:31:14 am
GM: "James Coppinger has been rested. It's something I don't want to disclose in public

If there are personal reasons, wouldn't it be better to say just that? It could be personal reasons but that could also be read as a bust-up.

He...did say that? Personal reasons that aren't something the manager feels should be divulged in public suggest to me that Copps has something completely unrelated to football going on. Which is understandable because that happens to literally all of us, things crop up that take us away from our jobs for a period sometimes.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: 5minstogo on April 24, 2019, 07:31:17 am
Dentist appointment
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Red Baron on April 24, 2019, 07:37:24 am
GM: "James Coppinger has been rested. It's something I don't want to disclose in public

If there are personal reasons, wouldn't it be better to say just that? It could be personal reasons but that could also be read as a bust-up.

He...did say that? Personal reasons that aren't something the manager feels should be divulged in public suggest to me that Copps has something completely unrelated to football going on. Which is understandable because that happens to literally all of us, things crop up that take us away from our jobs for a period sometimes.

You say  "he didn't play because of a personal issue which I don't want to discuss." The way it was said could be personal reasons or it could be something in the dressing room.

I suppose we'll have more idea on Saturday, although I'd expect the local media to ask on Thursday whether he's available for selection on Saturday.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: since-1969 on April 24, 2019, 07:43:00 am
Or maybe just personal reasons as GM said?

Players do have private lives aswell.
oh of course he does 🤫
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: mushRTID on April 24, 2019, 07:45:28 am
Does no one remember speculating when Billy Sharp was left out? And the news that shortly followed?

If Grant is saying personal reasons then that’s good enough for me.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Red Baron on April 24, 2019, 08:32:19 am
Does no one remember speculating when Billy Sharp was left out? And the news that shortly followed?

If Grant is saying personal reasons then that’s good enough for me.

He didn't say that though, did he? He said he had been rested and it was something he didn't want to disclose.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on April 24, 2019, 08:32:50 am
Does no one remember speculating when Billy Sharp was left out? And the news that shortly followed?

If Grant is saying personal reasons then that’s good enough for me.

Exactly that.  Particularly when people have families etc.  Anything could be the reason that may have impacted Friday's performance and not appearing last night.  Equally it could be something more but if Mccann says it's not to be public that's enough for me.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: RoversAlias on April 24, 2019, 09:53:33 am
You're reading too much into it, Red Baron. Mush makes a great point on Sharp, there was lots of speculation on here about transfers and things when he suddenly wasn't in the team and it turned out to be something far more important than football keeping him out.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Mighty Brian Rowe on April 24, 2019, 10:00:58 am
GM: "James Coppinger has been rested. It's something I don't want to disclose in public

If there are personal reasons, wouldn't it be better to say just that? It could be personal reasons but that could also be read as a bust-up.

He...did say that? Personal reasons that aren't something the manager feels should be divulged in public suggest to me that Copps has something completely unrelated to football going on. Which is understandable because that happens to literally all of us, things crop up that take us away from our jobs for a period sometimes.

You say  "he didn't play because of a personal issue which I don't want to discuss." The way it was said could be personal reasons or it could be something in the dressing room.

I suppose we'll have more idea on Saturday, although I'd expect the local media to ask on Thursday whether he's available for selection on Saturday.
Grant did say something along the lines of he should be available for Saturday when asked on Dee Dah after the match.

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Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Red Baron on April 24, 2019, 10:40:26 am
You're reading too much into it, Red Baron. Mush makes a great point on Sharp, there was lots of speculation on here about transfers and things when he suddenly wasn't in the team and it turned out to be something far more important than football keeping him out.

I've now read what it says in the Free Press and that clears it up.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: wing commander on April 24, 2019, 01:20:30 pm
Not doubting copps ability but how many teams in the country rely on a player his age ??

What's his age got to do with it? Does it matter when he's as good as he is?

   He is irreplaceable we all know that,but for me the time has come that he is in some fashion..He plays for 70 mins and has to miss games..That causes disruption when we have to keep using a sub to do it..GM obviously doesn't think he can last a game...Also against the better teams he (like a lot of our players) has gone missing or ineffective..Sunderland on Friday classic case.If Alfie May would have turned in a first half performance like Copps did he would be slaughtered...

  Reality is we have to move forward and if Copps does get a new deal next year,it needs to be from the bench for cameo's in the last twenty..An absolute legend and hero but I'm afraid his time has come...
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: The Red Baron on April 24, 2019, 01:29:14 pm
Trouble is, until you can find a player to do what he does you can't replace him (although of course you could change the style of play. A team like Lincoln City, who are very direct, wouldn't need a Coppinger-type player.)

I do think he will need to be phased out over the next season (or two) but it's vital that we identity someone who can play that role. Last season I thought Mandeville or Beestin could do it. Obviously Mandeville is not coming back, but it might be worth giving Beestin another deal to see if he can step up to the plate.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Chris Black come back on April 24, 2019, 01:56:52 pm
Are these the players that as of today are actually contracted to play for us next season (and beyond):

Lawlor
Jones
Blair
Anderson
Wright
Amos
Whiteman
Sadlier
May
Greaves
Horton
Gibbons
Boocock
Kiwomya
Watters
Crawford
Marquis
Prior
Longbottom
May
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Chris Black come back on April 24, 2019, 01:57:58 pm
Because if they are then there are only eight there that would make the first team.
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Bristol Red Rover on April 24, 2019, 02:33:24 pm
Probs plus Copps, 1 or two high class transfers, a couple of class loans - we're almost ready to go ;)
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: RoversAlias on April 24, 2019, 03:47:10 pm
Are these the players that as of today are actually contracted to play for us next season (and beyond):

Lawlor
Jones
Blair
Anderson
Wright
Amos
Whiteman
Sadlier
May
Greaves
Horton
Gibbons
Boocock
Kiwomya
Watters
Crawford
Marquis
Prior
Longbottom
May

We haven't signed Theresa May as well as Alfie, have we?
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Dutch Uncle on April 24, 2019, 03:50:57 pm
Are these the players that as of today are actually contracted to play for us next season (and beyond):

Lawlor
Jones
Blair
Anderson
Wright
Amos
Whiteman
Sadlier
May
Greaves
Horton
Gibbons
Boocock
Kiwomya
Watters
Crawford
Marquis
Prior
Longbottom
May

Add Youth CBs Blaney and McLean I think CBCB
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: since-1969 on April 24, 2019, 05:05:14 pm
Probs plus Copps, 1 or two high class transfers, a couple of class loans - we're almost ready to go ;)
No were not or it’s L1 heading for L2
Title: Re: No Copps
Post by: Metalmicky on April 24, 2019, 10:03:24 pm
Because if they are then there are only eight there that would make the first team.

I would challenge, that if those are the players we have, then at least eleven would make the first team....