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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on May 05, 2019, 09:42:43 am
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This is a free hit for us, Little Old Donny mixing it with the big boys of the division with all their advantages , bigger crowds, more money to spend, and all three expected at the beginning of the season to challenge for a top two position.
Well Charlton failed, along with the other two, and now have what they will see as the easiest games of the playoffs against us, who have already achieved just getting in the top six.
There is a massive difference in the number of points the two teams acquired over the season, showing how much more consistent over the season they have been.
The three games we have played against them this season showed their class, in the league games they were the better side in both games, tearing us apart down the right flank, but in an open game at the valley in the cup, allowing our midfield to completely outplay them.
Yesterday we showed what we can do, after the first 30 minutes when Coventry attacked our right flank, even Blair settled down, got on top of his man, and in the second half was not only a good defender, but had time to get forward where he is a danger.
Every player won their battle yesterday, something we will have to repeat in this game. That was the best defensive display of the season, Marosi only troubled fleetingly and responded well when needed and looked very calm.
The points difference is not an indication of how close the abilities of the two sides are when we play well, and if we play well we are more than a match for any of these teams, I fancy our chances, Do you?
Much to discuss and get excited about these two games, Please have your say, and if any Charlton fans want to discuss please join in friendly banter, you are welcome.
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Come on now Selby it isn't a free hit now is it , surely not .
This is the result of 46 games of blood , sweat and tears and now it doesn't matter because you have exceeded expectations ? .
We came from the bottom of League One in December to claim a play off place on the very last day in 2016 and we expected all that hardwork to bear fruit in the play offs .
Take your opportunities whilst they are there , you may not get another for several seasons .
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At this stage it is all about which team really wants it the most and the attitude of the players going into the play-off games. I have learned this season to never underestimate Grant McCann so let's continue to enjoy the ride starting with a win (hopefully) next Sunday.
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Brian less of the little Old Donny please.
WE GOT A BIGGER GATE THAN CHARLTON ATHLETIC YESTERDAY?
Only just but as i have said for years this club has the potential for much bigger gates.
It seems to me a lot of folk can’t see the potential but believe me it’s there ok.
You only have to see what population we have to draw on.
Establish ourselves as a solid Championship side and just see what happens.
The board have a vision for this club. Believe me they wouldn’t be here otherwise because there is no financial gain to them, only cost until the club becomes fully self sustainable.
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Tyke, I agree with you, when I say a free hit, I mean that most of the football world will have discounted our chances now before a ball has been kicked.
Having watched every game we have played this season, I am well aware that we are capable of being very good, and not so good even in the same game, never mind from week to week, we are the most inconsistent of the four teams.
All the other five teams in the top six including yourselves were tipped, and expected to be up there, even Luton having a greater budget than ourselves by quite some distance.
Apart from yourselves and Luton, Portsmouth, Sunderland, and Charlton have failed this season, while ourselves and Blackpool were among the favourites to get relegated by the so called experts.
I think from watching us play you in our two games, that basically stopped you winning the title, you will know how good we can be.
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Paul, I think you are doing the business sense of our directors a disservice.
They are basically the owners of with the Keepmoat and the training facilities at Cantley some of the most attractive lease hold property in Doncaster on long leases.
Not to mention the probable tax advantages that wealthy people in their position seek.
Having said that, we could not have better owners, without them we would be in big trouble,and they have been superb.
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We have been playing the ‘ LITTLE PUB TEAM’ card for far too long now imo.
We are much more than that now aren’t we?
6th highest budget in league 1
Just look at the size of some of the clubs we have competed against this season.
Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bradford City, Coventry City,
Charlton Athletic, Barnsley, Luton Town, Plymouth Argyle
& Bristol Rovers.
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Paul, I think you are doing the business sense of our directors a disservice.
They are basically the owners of with the Keepmoat and the training facilities at Cantley some of the most attractive lease hold property in Doncaster on long leases.
Not to mention the probable tax advantages that wealthy people in their position seek.
Having said that, we could not have better owners, without them we would be in big trouble,and they have been superb.
Yes of course i am aware of that but Terry Bramhall & the other board members are not in it for that reason imo.
I can’t speak for them and wouldn’t be so impertinent to do so but it would seem to me they see the value of the club as a huge community project. I think the work Gavin Baldwin has done for club Doncaster is worthy of significant praise.
The higher we go the more it puts Doncaster on the map and is of huge economic benefit for the whole town.
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Paul, read the Charlton forum, it is a big ground as you know, they are hoping to sell out for our game in the home end, tickets are already being sold, four per person which is causing some problems.
And for those interested they are from £18 for the family stand according to their forum, I have not seen the prices for away fans.
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The tactical approach to yesterday's game was spot on. Exactly as I hoped with discipline and patience. Malik Wilks playing for the team by doing his bit defensively summed up the commitment to the cause.
I hope for the same as I would give us a chance at the Valley even with a home draw. I suspect Charlton will approach it in the same way.
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I say this as someone without an emotional attachment to Rovers and I sincerely mean no disrespect , just saying as I see it .
You have a superb modern stadium not out of place in the championship .
You are no strangers to the championship either .
Knock the pub team culture on the head , it does you no favours .
I don't know whether the scars from the conference days are still at play but it's puzzling guys .
Small club in the championship yes , so are we .
Small club in League One , absolutely not , you are where you should be .
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There is a reasonably consistent group of clubs that are too big for League One but not big enough for Championship - Rotherham, Dingles, Millwall, Peterborough, Rovers all do a few seasons max then go back down. Not sure what long-term solution is but good while it lasts.
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We know we are where we should be Tyke. But we will always stay true to that "pub team having a laugh" mantra because it reminds us where we have come from. We don't have scars from the Conference days, it was a cathartic and fond time for us as it was the foundation upon which all of our following success has been built.
Donny Rovers won't ever get too big for our boots.
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I say this as someone without an emotional attachment to Rovers and I sincerely mean no disrespect , just saying as I see it .
You have a superb modern stadium not out of place in the championship .
You are no strangers to the championship either .
Knock the pub team culture on the head , it does you no favours .
I don't know whether the scars from the conference days are still at play but it's puzzling guys .
Small club in the championship yes , so are we .
Small club in League One , absolutely not , you are where you should be .
We know we are where we should be Tyke. But we will always stay true to that "pub team having a laugh" mantra because it reminds us where we have come from. We don't have scars from the Conference days, it was a cathartic and fond time for us as it was the foundation upon which all of our following success has been built.
Donny Rovers won't ever get too big for our boots.
Nail on the head!
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We know we are where we should be Tyke. But we will always stay true to that "pub team having a laugh" mantra because it reminds us where we have come from. We don't have scars from the Conference days, it was a cathartic and fond time for us as it was the foundation upon which all of our following success has been built.
Donny Rovers won't ever get too big for our boots.
I fully understand what you are saying and I take your point , it's the over achieving thing I don't get which seems to be mentioned by Rovers fans fairly regularly .
No you haven't over achieved , was GM brought in last summer to finish half way up the table ? , absolutely not .
He was within a whisker of landing the Barnsley job last summer , the CEO held the casting vote and he only just missed out , clearly he was seen by our club as an ambitious young coach .
Three performances which you are more than capable of achieving will see you in the championship .
No doubt about it .
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There is a reasonably consistent group of clubs that are too big for League One but not big enough for Championship - Rotherham, Dingles, Millwall, Peterborough, Rovers all do a few seasons max then go back down. Not sure what long-term solution is but good while it lasts.
There goes that lack of ambition again. TAKE THE BLINKERS OFF.
Look at Preston as an example. Yes i know they have been a top flight club in the past but you have to go back to the 50’s for that.
MOST of their history since has been a 2nd tier club and they have also spent some years in the 3rd and 4th tiers.
They compete very well indeed in the 2nd tier on ave gates of 13,000
Rovers can do the same there is no question about that. With good management both on and off the field it can & will be achieved.
You have to have a vision and a plan to achieve it and fortunately we have a board WHO HAVE THAT VISION & PLAN.
Just a shame it seems to me so many of our fans can’t see it and some also don’t seem to have any serious ambition for the club they love.
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I have just looked at their official forum, and their adult prices range from £18 in the family stand to £28 in the cat 1 seats.
Each purchaser can buy four tickets, and one posted he was number 900 on the phone line, and gave up.
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I don't think the majority of Rovers fans see it as over achieving. The play offs is what we aimed for if not better. We also know we are capable of competing at the next level albeit some will be uncertain about getting from A to B to achieve the standard to do that.
All we need to do is have faith in a bloody good young manager to do what's necessary to strengthen and owners who will give him the best possible chance without breaking the bank.
I do not see any difference in terms of stature between ourselves and Charlton, or Barnsley for that matter. Irrespective of any historical values, it's how the club is managed here and now that matters.
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There is a reasonably consistent group of clubs that are too big for League One but not big enough for Championship - Rotherham, Dingles, Millwall, Peterborough, Rovers all do a few seasons max then go back down. Not sure what long-term solution is but good while it lasts.
There goes that lack of ambition again. TAKE THE BLINKERS OFF.
Look at Preston as an example. Yes i know they have been a top flight club in the past but you have to go back to the 50’s for that.
MOST of their history since has been a 2nd tier club and they have also spent some years in the 3rd and 4th tiers.
They compete very well indeed in the 2nd tier on ave gates of 13,000
Rovers can do the same there is no question about that. With good management both on and off the field it can & will be achieved.
You have to have a vision and a plan to achieve it and fortunately we have a board WHO HAVE THAT VISION & PLAN.
Just a shame it seems to me so many of our fans can’t see it and some also don’t seem to have any serious ambition for the club they love.
Preston have just completed their fourth consecutive season in the Championship. Before that they spent four consecutive seasons in League One. Before that they spent seven consecutive seasons in the Championship. Before that they spent twenty odd seasons in tier three and below.
They are not a consistent Championship side.
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Anyone know when tickets go on sale.
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I don't want to hijack this thread by going all Barnsley , I've heard it whispered a time or too that we can be c@cky and a little too big for our boots .
We don't accept League One , we expect to be successful , the championship is different and we know our place in modern times .
We are ambitious but remain grounded too and true to our roots , nothing that Rovers can't enjoy either in my opinion .
The celebrations in the early hours of this morning at the Garrison pub in the town centre shows how grounded the fans and players are and what we are all about .
Players and fans celebrating together after returning from Bristol .
http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/celebrations-seen-on-facebook.279608/
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Anyone know when tickets go on sale.
Certainly not yet. Just had a look online and there's no mention of it. Would imagine tomorrow with STHs getting a day or two priority?
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There is a reasonably consistent group of clubs that are too big for League One but not big enough for Championship - Rotherham, Dingles, Millwall, Peterborough, Rovers all do a few seasons max then go back down. Not sure what long-term solution is but good while it lasts.
There goes that lack of ambition again. TAKE THE BLINKERS OFF.
Look at Preston as an example. Yes i know they have been a top flight club in the past but you have to go back to the 50’s for that.
MOST of their history since has been a 2nd tier club and they have also spent some years in the 3rd and 4th tiers.
They compete very well indeed in the 2nd tier on ave gates of 13,000
Rovers can do the same there is no question about that. With good management both on and off the field it can & will be achieved.
You have to have a vision and a plan to achieve it and fortunately we have a board WHO HAVE THAT VISION & PLAN.
Just a shame it seems to me so many of our fans can’t see it and some also don’t seem to have any serious ambition for the club they love.
Preston have just completed their fourth consecutive season in the Championship. Before that they spent four consecutive seasons in League One. Before that they spent seven consecutive seasons in the Championship. Before that they spent twenty odd seasons in tier three and below.
They are not a consistent Championship side.
Yes they are because they are about to compete in the Championship for the 5th consequtive season and i would expect that they are in it the year after as well.
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We did four consecutive seasons and five seasons out of a consecutive six seasons. We were not an established Championship side.
Nobody was any idea where Preston will finish next season.
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What do you call consistent then?
No one stays in the same division for ever do they.
Only Arsenal and Everton in the premier league have hardly ever been any where else.
Apart from them only Oldham who recently spent 22 consequetive seasons in League 1 are an exception to the rule.
There maybe a few other examples of course but there are not many.
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CBCB i think you are missing the point and trying to justify why DRFC should not be able to compete in the higher division. :facepalm:
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I am as optimistic as you but by and large (few exceptions of course) it comes down to money and historically we will find it exceptionally hard to lift our support up to say 20’s. So in absence of billionaire owner (Bournemouth) we are going to struggle to compete in Championship against clubs who have huge financial advantage over Rovers. Don’t forget that even with total brilliance of SOD and going into massive ‘debt’ (ie unsustainable owner subsidy) we lasted four seasons in Championship only. We need to build up our status locally with support and commercial activity and we have a hope of becoming a 7/8 out of 10 season Championship club but there is no easy answer to becoming a Derby or Boro, let alone the huge teams coming down from Premier League.
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Ryan knew how to market Rovers and have you sticking your chests out and punching your weight .
Dare to dream .
Destination Championship .
He was an annoying little get over here and I'll tell you why .
He made Rovers a serious threat to my club and we didn't like it , he backed it up too .
Food for thought guys .
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The last two season's attendances have shown we have grown - the average is 6.7% higher than than the average of our two promotion to the Championship seasons. That's 508 more fans.
Meanwhile, can we beat Charlton over two legs? I'd say it's 50/50, but on our day we will win, and it is our day, both days.
We're favourites with the bookies for the home leg. eg 14/10 v 23/10
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As Tyke says let’s for the next week or so revert back to JR’s campaign and really Dare to Dream
I’ve waded through years of shite from mid 70’s with the odd punctuation of success but the Richardson years will always remind us of where we have been, thankful we have a club.........we remain proud to be Rovers no matter what or where, it’s more than a football team, it’s our club in our blood and we can achieve/overachieve C’mon Rovers
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Going back to the tie it's a fascinating contest for me , Charlton have shown more consistency over 46 games with some good wins , ourselves , Pompey who they doubled and recently ended Luton's long unbeaten run .
Rovers were the best side to come to Oakwell all season , played us off the park and nobody did that at Oakwell all season to us .
Charlton's greater consistency counts for nothing now , it's two games , nothing more than that at this stage .
A totally 50 - 50 game and the belief from handling the pressure yesterday will serve you well , Coventry were certainly no mugs .
A draw for Rovers in the first leg isn't a poor outcone , keep yourselves in the tie , you know sometimes a slender 1-0 lead can be tactically difficult for a coach and his group of players .
Do we stick or do we twist , it gets to 60 minutes and the lead still intact and then how do we manage the game , players will naturally drop deep and that can invite your opponent on .
Going to the Valley all square and knowing where you are isn't to be sniffed at .
The second leg home pressure for a big expectant crowd can be overwhelming .
Fascinating tie , to say the least .
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Watched their highlights against a very poor Rochdale side. Their first goal looked offside in the build up and the second was an own goal. But, with better finishing they could have run up double figures.
Everything goes through their number 9 who tends to play right side. Stop him and one of their main threats is nullified.
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The game at the Keepmoat was a good game and we had a perfectly good winner chalked off. Charlton will know they have their hands full.
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I think we will beat them both home and away....JM now scoring, Sadlier getting into those places, Wilkes terrorising, and the better attacking formation gives us the edge
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They have Taylor on 21 league 1 goals the same as Marquis, and also Ahearne-Grant on 14 league 1 goals sha66y, they are quite potent up front.
I fancy us though especially if our back four play like yesterday and the team are set up and are as tight when not in possession as yesterday.
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.......and of course we have Mallik Wilks on 14 league goals.
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My worry is the away leg - sometimes we just appear to fold and concede far too easily. I think it’s crucial we go to the valley with a lead
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They have Taylor on 21 league 1 goals the same as Marquis, and also Ahearne-Grant on 14 league 1 goals sha66y, they are quite potent up front.
I fancy us though especially if our back four play like yesterday and the team are set up and are as tight when not in possession as yesterday.
Grant went to Huddersfield in January so I wouldn’t worry about him.
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If all square after both legs is it extra time and penalties or straight to penalties. Just a thought
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They have Taylor on 21 league 1 goals the same as Marquis, and also Ahearne-Grant on 14 league 1 goals sha66y, they are quite potent up front.
I fancy us though especially if our back four play like yesterday and the team are set up and are as tight when not in possession as yesterday.
You worry far too much about the opposition....just believe we are more potent and have nothing to lose .....
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sha66y, I don't worry about the opposition at all, just our game, that is the only team in the game our management can do anything about, and as I alluded to in the post, if we get it right, I fancy us to get through if we play well.
A direct quote from Grant McCann about this game in the FLP " We've got to make sure again we get the game plan right" that is all he can do, and then trust the players on the field to carry it out.
Against Oxford and Coventry he got the plan right and the players carried out the plan, looked comfortable in their positions and played well as a unit.
Against Accrington , in the first half the personnel on the field and the plan was wrong, to his credit he changed it at half time and we nearly pulled it off.
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I say this as someone without an emotional attachment to Rovers and I sincerely mean no disrespect , just saying as I see it .
You have a superb modern stadium not out of place in the championship .
You are no strangers to the championship either .
Knock the pub team culture on the head , it does you no favours .
I don't know whether the scars from the conference days are still at play but it's puzzling guys .
Small club in the championship yes , so are we .
Small club in League One , absolutely not , you are where you should be .
well said tykes, most of league one see a trip to the keep moat as a grand away day.... mixing it with the bigger boys... we had 5 out of 6 years at the 2nd tier of English football.. hardly Sunday league...
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I say this as someone without an emotional attachment to Rovers and I sincerely mean no disrespect , just saying as I see it .
You have a superb modern stadium not out of place in the championship .
You are no strangers to the championship either .
Knock the pub team culture on the head , it does you no favours .
I don't know whether the scars from the conference days are still at play but it's puzzling guys .
Small club in the championship yes , so are we .
Small club in League One , absolutely not , you are where you should be .
well said tykes, most of league one see a trip to the keep moat as a grand away day.... mixing it with the bigger boys... we had 5 out of 6 years at the 2nd tier of English football.. hardly Sunday league...
Aye and I'm glad we've avoided this particular part of the season I can tell you that .
I didn't fancy us at all and I won't lie , on a hiding to nothing Sunderland , Pompey and Charlton .
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That is my take on it Tyke, in many of their supporters eyes they should have been automatic, all are big clubs in this division, all the pressure of expectation is on them.
And they have failed at this stage before.
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The pressure on Sunderland especially is immense. Next season anyway they lose about £21m from their Prem parachute payment so would need to be in the Championship to spend on a push back to the Prem - the following season they'll be at a disadvantage. Also, the difference between Championship revenue and League 1 revenue is considerable.
I'm not sure how well they are budgeted with their squad to afford their wages in League 1 next season.
Would be a cracking day out at Wembley for us as they bottle it!
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In my opinion we need to win the home leg next week to stand a chance of progressing. We need to be taking a lead down there because our away form isn't exactly great and Charlton are very good at home.
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In my opinion we need to win the home leg next week to stand a chance of progressing. We need to be taking a lead down there because our away form isn't exactly great and Charlton are very good at home.
In these one off games you can throw home and away form out of the window.
It’s going to come down to which team can handle the occasion and pressure.
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It’s always been a bone of contention “Playoffs” when a team 6th place can get promoted , get a day out at Wembley a big payday and cup n medals all round. When the the team that finished second gets nowt !! and taking the place of the 3rd place team who just happens to Finnish with 20 more points and ends up getting stuffed and they talk about a fair play awards ! It’s nearly as daft as getting relegated on goal difference when a playoff would be a better team solution.?
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It’s always been a bone of contention “Playoffs” when a team 6th place can get promoted , get a day out at Wembley a big payday and cup n medals all round. When the the team that finished second gets nowt !! and taking the place of the 3rd place team who just happens to Finnish with 20 more points and ends up getting stuffed and they talk about a fair play awards ! It’s nearly as daft as getting relegated on goal difference when a playoff would be a better team solution.?
But the teams know the rules when the season begins don’t they.
If the team that finishes third can’t beat the team that finishes sixth then there can’t be much between them can they.
In my opinion the play offs are great.
They keep interest going for supporters right up to the end of the season as usually the last day still has quite a few teams who can qualify for them.
Much better than having three or four matches to end the season with nothing to play for.
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The pressure on Sunderland especially is immense. Next season anyway they lose about £21m from their Prem parachute payment so would need to be in the Championship to spend on a push back to the Prem - the following season they'll be at a disadvantage. Also, the difference between Championship revenue and League 1 revenue is considerable.
I'm not sure how well they are budgeted with their squad to afford their wages in League 1 next season.
Would be a cracking day out at Wembley for us as they bottle it!
Losing Maja in the January window really hurt them massively .
If McGeady doesn't play they are very ordinary and he's stuggling at the moment with an injury , can't shake it off , seems to play a couple of games and then it flares up again .
They have an historically shocking play off record and haven't won at Wembley since 1973 despite half a dozen visits since .
I think Pompey will see them off personally , Jackett is a smart cookie at this level and despite missing out on the automatics I think he will have them ready .
Different dynamics going off in the final if Rovers progress and meet Pompey , it's a one off game , 90 minutes or 120 .
That said Pompey are carrying a recent Wembley victory with them and will possibly be backed by 40k fans .
Then again defeating Charlton Athletic will give your lads a tremendous amount of belief and confidence .
The League One play offs are the pick of the bunch for me , totally wide open .
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I love the fact that we’re the complete underdogs in the play-offs.
I really fancy our chances over two games against Charlton.
Regarding the ‘pub team having a laugh’ tag......
I think this is a very understandable and healthy view from our fans which stems from the humbling experience of spending several seasons in the Conference not too long ago.
We were only promoted back into the Football League in 2003 via the play-offs.
The team who were promoted automatically that season finished SEVENTEEN points ahead of us.
They were Yeovil Town.
Yeovil lost their Football League status last weekend, 16 years after being promoted with us.
Humility is a virtue. We learned that the hard way.
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It’s always been a bone of contention “Playoffs” when a team 6th place can get promoted , get a day out at Wembley a big payday and cup n medals all round. When the the team that finished second gets nowt !! and taking the place of the 3rd place team who just happens to Finnish with 20 more points and ends up getting stuffed and they talk about a fair play awards ! It’s nearly as daft as getting relegated on goal difference when a playoff would be a better team solution.?
What are you talking about, the team that finishes second gets automatic promotion!
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It’s always been a bone of contention “Playoffs” when a team 6th place can get promoted , get a day out at Wembley a big payday and cup n medals all round. When the the team that finished second gets nowt !! and taking the place of the 3rd place team who just happens to Finnish with 20 more points and ends up getting stuffed and they talk about a fair play awards ! It’s nearly as daft as getting relegated on goal difference when a playoff would be a better team solution.?
Our lads all got medals and a runners up trophy after the game at Bristol Rovers .
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Probably means f**k all to the Bournemouth fans now but it makes me smile knowing we denied them collecting all three Football League winners trophies on their way to the top. :laugh:
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My Charlton fan mate thinks they've got a free pass to the final getting us in the 2 legger. Cocky as you like he is! Not a glimmer of doubt...
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2 leg affairs generally mean it's likely to be a cagey game in the first leg with neither side wanting to give themselves a mountain to climb in the second.
If we approach this in the same way we did v Coventry then we should be optimistic. I'd take any lead or a draw into the second leg. Once again, discipline and patience is required. Do the basics well.
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Hello, Charlton fan here. I'm very impressed with the respect you all have for your fellow fan, whoever they support...it's refreshing. Ok, about us...we don't have the best players in the league, so the confidence (looking at a sell out at The Valley) is by way of Bowyer installing his mentality, but that has taken a full season. In my 60 years of watching our lot, I have never seen this team mentality...there is a real die for the shirt mindset which has brought all the boycotters back, it's infectious. If we go behind Bowyer won't panic, we'll just pass it around until a chance comes. In saying all that I'd rather we had Sunderland or Pompey as they looked completely knackered and must know they threw promotion away. Discipline will decide who wins.
Good luck and enjoy the day.
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Thanks for the contribution Gelan, you are more than welcome and we are always interested in the other teams supporters views on our team.
Because you are playing us the game is most likely to be overshadowed by the other tye, but that game is no more important to us than our game against yourselves.
I agree with Tyke our friendly Barnsley fan, the division 1 playoffs are the most evenly matched sides, betting on any team would be a risk.
Three teams will be disappointed, obviously I and others on here hope Doncaster win the games, but hope that you and others from your club enter into friendly banter and discussion on this thread, that will be interesting.
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Cheers Selby...just to add that I was banned from a Charlton Forum for keeping the peace lol...I'm an old hippie.
I think the underdog tag is misleading both ways.
(a) No pressure from fans....there is always pressure from fans.
(b) Last season we were about the same points behind Shrews as you are behind us, and we were outplayed in both legs.
I hope you bring a big following so we see a full Valley...it's about being entertained, and I can certainly guarantee that
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Both clubs have declared a fully fit squad of players, both clubs are in the same position with loan players, will they be able to keep them if they do not win the playoffs.
Charlton have players on big wages who are important to their team, but are out of contract at the end of the season, and with owner problems may not be offered the same terms if they fail to win.
And anticipation now being cranked up in both sets of supporters.
I can't wait for it to begin.
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I have just been on the Charlton site and the Referee's for the two games have been appointed. They are
Oli Langfield at Doncaster a 107 yellows and 6 reds over the season and refereed Charlton 1 v Gillingham2 on new years day
Gavin Ward at Charlton who refereed our 2-0 defeat at Charlton this season in the league fixture, also their 3-1 victory over Luton at Charlton just three weeks ago.
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You have to go back to the Plymouth game a couple of seasons ago for Langfield to make his mark on us. It was him who sent Coppinger off.
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You have to go back to the Plymouth game a couple of seasons ago for Langfield to make his mark on us. It was him who sent Coppinger off.
He owes us one then doesn’t he 😀
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Interesting to look at Charlton's average attendances this year. Ours have been a little disappointing, but they have only averaged 3.5k or so more than us. I though they were a much bigger club than that.
On the topic of attendances, it never ceases to amaze me how good ours are in England. Donny this year have had the 56th highest average in England, at 8098. Germany is the only country who have attendances down the league's that come anywhere close to those in England. But an average of 8098 would have ranked us 43rd there. And their 56th best average was Rot-Weiß Erfurt with less than half our figure.
In Italy we'd be ranked 28th. Their 56th ranked club was Monza with 2079.
In France we'd be 26th on the list. Their 56th ranked side is L'Entente with an average of 570.
In Spain we'd be 35th. The 56th ranked side was Burgos with 2567.
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Billy, they have had an organised boycott this season against the foreign owner.
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Billy, they have had an organised boycott this season against the foreign owner.
Duchatelet; they detest him.
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They have shifted nearly 20 k for their home leg.
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I think some are getting carried away in their expectations of the attendance and atmosphere of the first leg. It's unlikely to be anything like the Southend second leg or any other one off cup match.
Nothing will be decided after 90 minutes. It's likely to be a tense affair.
What I remember of the home leg v Chester, it was a crap game. The ball was like a bar of soap, slipping out of possession very quickly. The game seemed to be slipping away from us until Tristam Whitman scored the last minute equaliser which prompted celebrations more in relief.
First leg away at Southend was again a 'keep it tight' sort of match in which we came out a worthy 0-0 which set it up for the second leg.
If Sunday was the second leg when there's sure to be an outcome then the atmosphere is likely to be more charged and more likely to be a full house.
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.... and our Second Leg tickets sales may depend on how the Tie is "poised"
If people feel we are out of it they may stick with Sky - and if they think we have a great chance they may want to go - though as we have seen in the last 2 nights anything DOES happen
The important thing is if we win through the main event is still coming - the Final itself
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I think many have anticipated the second leg as it looks like we're close to selling out our allocation. If there are those waiting until after the first leg, they might be disappointed.
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Looked a very poor turn out so far unless you have some better intel ?
Thought they gave us 3135 and we have sold close to 600 ? I was though waiting for the 3 blocks on sale now to sell out to see if more go on sale afterwards - as I thought these were the first to go on sale
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I maybe wrong but just took a glance at the remaining tickets on the website and it looked like only about 500 left. Not sure what tha allocation was like.
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Yes - we were allocated 3135
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2019/may/charlton-athletic-a-ticket-information/
Then I was watching from the start and have only seen these 3 Blocks being sold SSA SSB and SSC and they still have not sold out. In fact still very very close to 600 total sales in the 3 Blocks with 420 seats left across the 3 Blocks
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Wolfie, bring the celebrations on Sunday mate, we will need them.
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If you don't fill the Jimmy Seed stand (3,000) they will introduce a no-mans-land at the centre and sell 1,000 to home fans who will sing non stop all game...down to you to change that.
25,000 expected final gate at The Valley.
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Well Gelan, the best way we can stop you singing is down to our players on the pitch.
The away leg tickets I would imagine will take off or still be a damp squib depending on the result on Sunday.
And as far as travel is concerned we have drawn the short straw, a long journey, getting back in the early hours, and terrible traffic problems on the way there, and people travelling by train having to deal possibly with extra time and penalties plus if like last night a long time between the end of the game and the shoot out for TV adverts.
Add the fact that Charlton are one of the most unwelcoming places in this division, no pubs welcoming away fans near the ground, and in the ground just an outside area with a portacabin hatch serving something resembling beer at London prices.
Needless to say I will be there.
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If you don't fill the Jimmy Seed stand (3,000) they will introduce a no-mans-land at the centre and sell 1,000 to home fans who will sing non stop all game...down to you to change that.
25,000 expected final gate at The Valley.
Interesting that the protests stop when you're playing well?
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If you don't fill the Jimmy Seed stand (3,000) they will introduce a no-mans-land at the centre and sell 1,000 to home fans who will sing non stop all game...down to you to change that.
25,000 expected final gate at The Valley.
Got a Leeds-y tone to this hasn't it?
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If you don't fill the Jimmy Seed stand (3,000) they will introduce a no-mans-land at the centre and sell 1,000 to home fans who will sing non stop all game...down to you to change that.
25,000 expected final gate at The Valley.
Interesting that the protests stop when you're playing well?
Yes, pathetic isn't it...owner this, owner that...it's all his fault etc. Without Duchatelet we'd be in administration yet thousands of fans know beyond a shadow of doubt that any new owner will be better...these are grown men FFS!
Here's an example: "I hate RD, he's robbed me of seeing my friends on matchdays...I hope he dies" Says 61 year old Company director.
I love my club but some of our fans really are dilussional.
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Yes - we were allocated 3135
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2019/may/charlton-athletic-a-ticket-information/
Then I was watching from the start and have only seen these 3 Blocks being sold SSA SSB and SSC and they still have not sold out. In fact still very very close to 600 total sales in the 3 Blocks with 420 seats left across the 3 Blocks
Looking at those three blocks only bottom rows left so I suspect people are waiting.
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I hope we can get off to a fast start tomorrow, the approach of Charlton is anyones guess.
Do they get at us and try and dominate from the start, or will they sit back, try and control the game and hit us on the break.
In the home league fixture they came out of the blocks firing, and looked the better side in the first twenty minutes, as most sides do concentrating their attacks down our right full back area.
Their wing backs join in the attacks well, and their goal keeper from dead ball and out of the hands clearances aimed nearly all his kicks especially at Charlton in the league game at our right flank, all the time trying to get behind and draw our central defenders to the flanks.
Their weakness was that our two attackers especially Marquis got between their central defenders line, and although well beaten on the day at Charlton in the league fixture, surprisingly we looked dangerous from set pieces into the box, Anderson poking wide a good chance, and others going begging.
Past matches mean nothing of course, but both managers will be aware of each others strengths and weaknesses, I am expecting two very hard tight games, and would not be surprised if it were decided on penalties, but will go for us to win over two legs if we take our chances.
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Unless there's an early goal, I can't see it being anything other than a tactical battle with both teams erring on the side of caution. I don't think it will be pretty.
I suspect both managers will be happy with a draw or 1 goal in it either way.
If we approach the game the same way as v Coventry, I'll be well happy.
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I will go with that DBR, last week's performance was one of the best of the season, if we play like that, it will take a good side to beat us.
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Well this is it folks.
Let’s get half the job done. It won’t be decided today though.
Expecting a tight game and will be happy with a 1 goal lead.
2 would be absolutely brilliant but a draw or even a 1 goal defeat keeps us very much in the tie.
:bscarf: :bscarf: :bscarf:
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Yep. Every reason to keep calm and just treat it as another game. No point getting overexcited or feel the need to run on the pitch!
I'm sure there will be times in the match when you hear a pin drop as we get absorbed in the contest. The tension would be released with a goal even if only temporarily.
The second leg is the one to get excited about.
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Would really like to see john and Wilks embrace their wind up side today early on get few off the Charlton back 4 on some early bookings getting them worried about every challenge.
If we play as well as we can do then we can be confident of getting something from the game
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They are away from home along with an early kickoff this puts Charlton out of routine . I can’t see them sitting behind the ball and just soaking it up so there will be goals which give us the advantage this time round. Marquis-Wilks will have their day . 2-0 to take to the Valley where were due a win .
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Excited, apprehensive, can't wait for the action to start.
But the biggest emotion is I wonder, I wonder which one of our teams will turn up for the game.
We all know how good we can be, and at the same time how error strewn, poor in front of goal, make silly mistakes at the back,we can also be.
And I take comfort in the knowledge that the regular Charlton supporters ( it looks like especially in their home tie quite a few will be wondering what the names of their players are not having seen them before) will be wondering exactly the same things as we are.
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I don’t think the KO time makes any difference, if the Charlton players (and ours) aren’t up for this game then they shouldn’t be in the game..
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They will all be up for it alright but which team will handle the pressure the best on the day.
Can see either a whirlwind start or it being very cagey.
Can’t decide how both teams will want to play it to be honest.
The tactical plan will be interesting to see.
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I can't see this game being played at anything but full pace from the off, and I'm thinking 4 goals plus. Like some of the other play off games I can also see drama and more than a few risky challenges and confrontations. Both sides will be knackered by the end and that could be where the game is decided.
I also think that we'll turn up for this game, we're due a good telly performance. Hopefully Charlton don't turn up - I'm currently hiding their match coach wheels.
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I just have the feeling that this Charlton lot have already planned their day out at Wembley? Come on Rovers spoil the party!
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Been a multiple car crash just after the bridge heading to Lakeside. Some Rovers fans involved.
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Well, it’s not over yet.
Charlton looked spent after we scored. If that goal had come 10 minutes earlier...
I think that Charlton looked better overall tbf. We seemed a bit lethargic. Charlton looked faster, stronger, and worked hard. Looked a very good team.
They play on the break effectively. Taylor and Aribo should have been shackled. Their defenders pretty effectively did a job on Marquis and Wilks.
Lucky goal for the first and a howler from Marco, but we hit the bar and their keeper made some good stops.
So it’s a tough ask. And we need to step up. But, never write us off. Quicker game needed. Far too ponderous today.
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Thought Charlton were poor today...we usually keep possession better, plus shut up shop too early.
Still think we'll have enough to get over the line.
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They got a bit lucky. We didn't give up. Got the important goal and it's game on!
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Having a laugh? Done so well to get in the playoffs and we were f***ing toothless. Losing and the players are strolling along. Absolutely gutless, just rolled over for em!
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Still in it, big goal that. We were sloppy at times and defensively not quite at it first half. But, we are still in it. First goal on Friday is huge.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
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Shocker from Marosi has cost us in my opinion. It was straight at him.
First goal next week and you never know!
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What happened to Coppinger? Didn’t see hide more hare of him again after he went off at half time.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomtick in dig at board shocker. Agree Chalrtpm were better than us. We looked lethargic. We’re better than that. But they are a very good side.
Still all to play for imho
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Shocker from Marosi has cost us in my opinion. It was straight at him.
First goal next week and you never know!
Nice guy but not good enough consistently. Some good saves in fairness to him. You just have to look back on 11 years ago and Sullivan was outstanding in all 3 games, it is a weakness.
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Charlton where the better side. The two Wilks and especially Sadlier could not get past anybody. Only time Wilks looked slightly dangerous when he moved to the left side and put across with his left foot and we scored. What it did show is to improve our side we will need better players next season. We will be loosing our best players. Anyway miracles might happen on Friday so discussions abut next season will wait.
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What happened to Coppinger? Didn’t see hide more hare of him again after he went off at half time.
I wonder if he was the one GM said picked up an injury in training and was doubtful?
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
What their support did was to a person stood clapped and supported their team. We don’t do that maybe South Stand but other stands don’t do it sit there on their hands. Totally different culture.
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Could be, Dutch.
He seemed fine on pitch though.
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Charlton where the better side. The two Wilks and especially Sadlier could not get past anybody. Only time Wilks looked slightly dangerous when he moved to the left side and put across with his left foot and we scored. What it did show is to improve our side we will need better players next season. We will be loosing our best players. Anyway miracles might happen on Friday so discussions abut next season will wait.
Agree. This season were 6th but we're not in the same league as the top 5, were just best of the rest. Next season we need players who are the level of those top 5 teams if we wish to go up and when the loan players go back, we'd only have Marquis (who will probably leave), Whiteman and maybe Copps, Butler and Rowe on their day. After them we have some average League One players, who are good enough as backup but shouldn't be first team.
Edit: Possibly add Sadlier, Crawford and Wright to the list.
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Can’t fault the effort there really.
Not enough tempo second half until late on but other than a slight lack of quality I don’t think we could’ve given much more.
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They are a much bigger, faster and stronger side than us. I fear it’s a long road back from here but we are capable of special performances every now and again.
The worry for me is I don’t think we will stop them from scoring at home
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
And is this you being positive? Give me strength! :facepalm:
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Nothing much in the game at all despite SKY bigging Charlton up throughout in my opinion .
A mad two minutes for Rovers in the first half which was very costly but second half I thought you shaded it .
Absolutely huge goal by Blair , immense , changes the dynamics massively .
This tie ain't done by a long shot .
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What happened to Coppinger? Didn’t see hide more hare of him again after he went off at half time.
I wonder if he was the one GM said picked up an injury in training and was doubtful?
McCann has confirmed that it was Wilks. Has hamstring problem. Lasted 90mims though.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
And is this you being positive? Give me strength! :facepalm:
It's exactly how I see it, there's no point in faux positivity.
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Although Charlton looked dangerous on the break, without doubt we were the better team until the first goal.
After that the confidence seemed to drain away from our players.
We gave it a decent go in the second half but because Charlton were content for us to come on to them they sat back and gave us no space to play or get behind them.
The danger to us was that they might break away for a third goal so we couldn’t go totally gung ho.
Mattys goal is an important one as it changes the tie
At 2-0 we would have been out of it.
Charlton now can’t afford to be too adventurous on Friday because if we can stay in the game it will possibly make them nervous.
It is only half time.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
8000 home fans in.
Not a poor effort at all.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
8000 home fans in.
Not a poor effort at all.
Less than the last play off semi 11 years ago.
Thought the supporter base should have naturally grown since then.
Although a daft Sunday lunchtime probably didn't help.
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Having a laugh? Done so well to get in the playoffs and we were f***ing toothless. Losing and the players are strolling along. Absolutely gutless, just rolled over for em!
Don’t talk stupid, what a pathetic post. Get a grip.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
You're just a WUM. I hope you're enjoying the attention.
This tie isn't over by a long shot. Of course, 2 goals are going to knock some stuffing out of us after getting on top. We got a goal back which is pivotal. I fancy our chances to get through.
If you'd swap today's attendance with the Coventry game, I'd have believed the numbers but that's not important.
Let's see what effect 24k expectant fans have on Charlton.
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The focus on Charlton from the commentators was embarressing - for them.
Perspectives eh! Blair did okay in his position, and he thew his heart into that goal, superb.
Wilks was always dangerous, some great and effective skills, a fab sliding tackle near the end of the first half, some good crossing but equally he still plays head down too much.
Marquis was tireless but dealt with well by their defence.
Kane is a patch of his old self, hopefully he can pull one out of the bag on Friday.
I thought the defence were poor on both their goals. Marosi could have done better for the second but it was far from a gaff.
We started off well till their goal and then looked tired, poor and ponderous passing, ineffective long balls into the box, though also the ball didn't fall for us that much throughout the game.
Second half MUCH better till the last 15 mins or so when we seemed to be heading more towards the first half sluggishness. Downing was pulled back in the box stopping him getting to the ball and a poss shot on goal, a pen in my opinion. And then the goal!
Everywhere has them as favourites which is our advantage. They aren't so mentally tough, vulnerable if we can hold them off long enough on Friday, or even get the goal back, they will get unsettled, as will their crowd.
Set up for a great game :boxing:
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.......and don’t forget the two great saves that Marosi made.
The one low to his right from Taylor and the one he tipped over the bar.
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Yes disappointing score line but as I said pre match a 1 goal deficit is not a disaster. That late goal for us gives us a chance.
It’s game on at the Valley.
How do Charlton approach it stick or twist.
If we get the 1st goal it is going to be very interesting indeed.
Even if we don’t just keep playing our game and you can never tell.
Please GM switch Wilks on to the left every now and again.
Within seconds of him doing that a cross on his natural left foot and guess what a goal is created.
He is so obvious on the right because he comes inside as he will not use his right foot on the outside. Not saying all the time just keep switching 3/4 times during the game to see where he is getting the most joy.
He is our match winner if we can get him to be at his most effective.
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I too was disappointed that we did not rotate Wilkes and Sadlier occasionally. Then when May came on we immediately saw Wilkes on the left and for the second successive game he provided a cross to the far post for a goal. Yes I know the cross v Cov was from the right.
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Watching Sky Sports, and get thoroughly peed off when they show the Rovers’ result every 30 seconds.......grrr! :headbang:
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I too was disappointed that we did not rotate Wilkes and Sadlier occasionally. Then when May came on we immediately saw Wilkes on the left and for the second successive game he provided a cross to the far post for a goal. Yes I know the cross v Cov was from the right.
Agree with rotation but for me I would rotated Sadlier off the pitch he did nothing going forward and hardly anything defensively but who can we play in his place? Unless teams allow him to cut inside he has noting he may show more on the right side but we don’t know because they never rotate.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
Maybe a tad over zealous with a few of the comments but I wouldn’t imagine everyone who works at football clubs are football fans,
it’s a paid job at the end of the day, whether it be admin or setting up catering contracts....
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Nothing much in the game at all despite SKY bigging Charlton up throughout in my opinion .
A mad two minutes for Rovers in the first half which was very costly but second half I thought you shaded it .
Absolutely huge goal by Blair , immense , changes the dynamics massively .
This tie ain't done by a long shot .
I like you tyke. Your more positive than half the Rovers fans on here. You're balanced and give a fair opinion.
Nice one
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
Maybe a tad over zealous with a few of the comments but I wouldn’t imagine everyone who works at football clubs are football fans,
it’s a paid job at the end of the day, whether it be admin or setting up catering contracts....
I didn't say football fans. He used the phrase football people, and I'm asking him what that means and who he's applying it to.
I thought it was obvious that we're not talking about the caterers here.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
Maybe a tad over zealous with a few of the comments but I wouldn’t imagine everyone who works at football clubs are football fans,
it’s a paid job at the end of the day, whether it be admin or setting up catering contracts....
I didn't say football fans. He used the phrase football people, and I'm asking him what that means and who he's applying it to.
I thought it was obvious that we're not talking about the caterers here.
I’m quite sure you know exactly what he means.....football people = those involved in football and have either played at some level or have a great passion for the game...
Now I don’t profess to know much about our wonderful benefactors , but I was under the impression they came from the construction industry and was shoe horned into financially assisting the club by good old JR ...
and we have been blessed by their collective patience
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
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Well I suppose the “non football people” on the board could always pull their funding out, and we’d see where we would end up then. Not in the play-offs I suspect.
Also I’d be very surprised if opening up the East Stand for Charlton fans had anything to do with Terry Bramall or anyone else at the top level of the club. He’s one of the owners of the club and pays staff to sort out the minutiae of operational affairs like that. In fact, I’d say it’s naive bordering on stupid to think that one of the major shareholders of the club would be calling the shots on that.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
So the board face criticism for running a business as a business, and not being on an arbitrary list of people plucked from someone's head.
Sleepless nights ahead for them after this bombshell.
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Just need to win 1-0 - a single solitary goal - and it CAN be done
Play out Extra Time and then win on Penalties
Probably unlikely but so was LFC coming back to beat Barca and even moreso Spurs against Ajax
I still think Charlun as they seemed to call themselves will win the 3rd spot but I live in hope AND its been a good Season whatever happens from here on in ! :scarf:
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
If they wanted to sell, they'd sell. If they weren't really arsed, the wouldn't be chucking 2.5 million at it every year.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Good grief, still banging on about the attendance. ;)
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Good grief, still banging on about the attendance. ;)
😉 To be fair I was an advocate of having a smaller attendance today
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Good grief, still banging on about the attendance. ;)
😉 To be fair I was an advocate of having a smaller attendance today
I know, but you did see the winkie I hope.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Good grief, still banging on about the attendance. ;)
😉 To be fair I was an advocate of having a smaller attendance today
I know, but you did see the winkie I hope.
Yeah I did 😉
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
If they wanted to sell, they'd sell. If they weren't really arsed, the wouldn't be chucking 2.5 million at it every year.
I said realistically sell, they rightly won't sell to just anyone.
There's not a huge list of people wanting to buy rovers.
I'll repeat, I think they are doing a decent job, but no ones immune from criticism.
It's probably time we returned to matters on the pitch now.
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Your points now seem all over the place. You talk of football people, but that doesn't mean from a football club background??
So, where did I say or imply that you used the word perfect?
I picked out more than JR and Kev McCabe. I also picked out, from your list, Karen Brady, but I could also pick out Pete Winkleman who again has a property background and won't be forgiven for the part he played in the Wimbledon/MK Dons saga. You mention Bobby Charlton, who doesn't own or run a football club to my knowledge. Your list doesn't have any merit at all when supporting your argument.
And another correction, JR didn't try to get elected to the FA Board.
But the major correction you need is on this begrudging ownership of the club. Where the hell do you get that information from? It's nothing short of ill foundered bullshit.
As for today, I couldn't give you the whole list because I sit in a different part of the ground, but as owners I saw the whole of the Watson family before kick-off. And your point is what?
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Decent game, they clearly are a better team though. Gonna need all the luck in the world next Friday.
Very poor attendance from the home fans.
Clearly the wrong decision to give Charlton extra tickets, their fans gave them a huge huge boost. Very very naive from the club. (they aren't football people)
Blair not good enough I'm afraid.
Were missing Mason, should never have let him go.
Could have been alot worse.
Boomstick, I'm intrigued, what's your definition of a 'football person'?
So, people who own a football club, and have done for a number of years now, or people who are employed by a football club are not football people?
That's some strange logic.
John Ryan, dave wheelan, Kevin mcabe, Daniel levy, Ken bates, Karen Brady, Bobby Charlton, Kenny Dalglish, Pete winkleman....
I'm not saying anyone of them are perfect, but they are football people and understand running a football club is a bit different than a normal business.
I'm not saying either that our board are doing a bad job, I think they are doing a decent one on the whole, and run it strictly as a business. Which is their mindset, and I'm not faulting. But the impression I get (and that's all it is) they can be a bit naive.
Would I swap them? No I think the club is in safe hands, but also they are not immune from criticism where I feel it's fair.
Interesting list of names.
I expected to see JR on your list, despite being from a cosmetic background. Kevin McCabe is from a property background. Karen Brady, seriously?? I couldn't think of many worse than her and the 'dirty book sellers'. And the running of West Ham and the cock-ups at the London Stadium prove that.
On top of that, if you look at people who own football clubs these days, you'll find that 90% don't have any type of football club background.
Where did I say they were perfect? In fact I quantified it by saying they weren't.
You also picked out John Ryan and Kevin mcabe. They are Huge football fans and have a HUGE passion for the game. Hell Jr 3ven tried to get on the FA board.
The km lot may be excellent business people, but the impression I get, and others I speak to is that they only begrudgingly run the club and will sell at the first realistic opportunity.
Oh and I didn't say you needed a football club background either. Just a huge passion for the club.
I will also repeat that I think they are doing an OK job, and quite content with it.
Just out of interest, who from the board was there today?
Your points now seem all over the place. You talk of football people, but that doesn't mean from a football club background??
So, where did I say or imply that you used the word perfect?
I picked out more than JR and Kev McCabe. I also picked out, from your list, Karen Brady, but I could also pick out Pete Winkleman who again has a property background and won't be forgiven for the part he played in the Wimbledon/MK Dons saga. You mention Bobby Charlton, who doesn't own or run a football club to my knowledge. Your list doesn't have any merit at all when supporting your argument.
And another correction, JR didn't try to get elected to the FA Board.
But the major correction you need is on this begrudging ownership of the club. Where the hell do you get that information from? It's nothing short of ill foundered bullshit.
As for today, I couldn't give you the whole list because I sit in a different part of the ground, but as owners I saw the whole of the Watson family before kick-off. And your point is what?
I think your misinterpreting my posts, I don't want to get into an argument, so I'll not repeat. It might be better if you re read my posts.
As for Jr, it could have been the efl board, but I Definately remember an interview from him explaining he got rebuffed because he wasn't at a glamour club.
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Just need to win 1-0 - a single solitary goal - and it CAN be done
Play out Extra Time and then win on Penalties
Please not that! Winning on pens is like surviving ten or more heart attacks - relief at the result but hardly joy.
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Yes Pens is not a good experience - I turned off Chelseas game the other night rather than watch.
It's not even an ideal way to settle a game which is deadlocked either but nobody has proposed anything better yet - and when they do it will probably take years to catch on
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Nothing much in the game at all despite SKY bigging Charlton up throughout in my opinion .
A mad two minutes for Rovers in the first half which was very costly but second half I thought you shaded it .
Absolutely huge goal by Blair , immense , changes the dynamics massively .
This tie ain't done by a long shot .
I like you tyke. Your more positive than half the Rovers fans on here. You're balanced and give a fair opinion.
Nice one
Good point - I wonder if we can sign him up ?
His Contract may be up soon - so we should be looking at getting him - cash deal or more preferably an exchange deal ?