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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ravenrover on May 08, 2019, 09:49:09 am
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It sticks in my throat a bit how everyone goes on about Messi being the GOAT!
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Could he hack it in The Prem or even Seria A week in week out. It’s OK being the GOAT in one league but surely to be called GOAT you should have proved yourself in other major leagues?
Seriously I just dont get it
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I think he is a great Player and has been rumoured to have been tapped up by Prem Clubs in the past so they must have fancied him at the time. He was really good in the first leg but never relly got started yesterday and maybe he is reaching his zenith - or he is plain fed up as the rest of the Team are not as good as he is used to.
Still think he is a belting player and I am sure Man U for one would be delighted to have him - maybe swap Pogba for him ?
I take your point of the La Liga standard as well - especially if you take out the big 6 - the rest Getafe Girona et all would struggle in the Championship
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It sticks in my throat a bit how everyone goes on about Messi being the GOAT!
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Could he hack it in The Prem or even Seria A week in week out. It’s OK being the GOAT in one league but surely to be called GOAT you should have proved yourself in other major leagues?
Seriously I just dont get it
I can see what your saying but he would still have been brilliant in our Premier League imo.
He wouldn’t score 40+ goals every season though. Ronaldo wasn’t too bad at Man U
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Messi has never performed on the world stage with Argentina either. He's a great player that's for sure, but his performances are enhanced by the league he plays in.
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That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
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Messi could hack it in any league in the world at any point in history. Easy to forget that Barca were only 3 goals to the good in the first place because of him.
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Messi is the best player I've ever seen, he is a maestro with the ball and has carried Barcelona at times. Indeed, they are a great side but they haven't always been that irresistible force during the Messi era. He has really pulled Argentina through in tournaments before too, for them to have made the 2014 World Cup final was something I don't believe they would have been capable of without him.
He would make a fool of the majority of defenders in the Premier League, and his accomplishments and performances against the very best teams, in La Liga and certainly in the Champions League too, stand up against anyone elses.
It's a fallacy, this "could he do it in a tougher league" narrative. La Liga is a good league, the clubs are of a good standard and, although no one hits the level of Barca or Real, there is a very strong core of sides in that tier below that easily match up to the equivalent in England, and I would say outstrips the overall quality found in the other major leagues of Italy, Germany and certainly France, Holland or Portugal.
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Messi has phenomenal passing, dribbling, balance, control and vision. He's amongst the best in the world for each of those, and worth the entrance fee to any game just to watch him with the ball at his feet.
On top of that, he has 112 Champions League goals in 135 games and 417 goals in La Liga in 450. Those strike rates are absolutely unbelievable.
He and Ronaldo are on a different planet to everyone else. For me personally, though, Messi's the best. Ronaldo is undoubtedly a supreme athlete, an unreal competitor, a predatory goalscorer, and a natural winner. I think the last bit is why a lot of people rate him as the greatest, but for me football's about so much more than winning (also see point below about Ronaldo being a winner and Messi not). Would I rather be mesmerised by Messi for 50 games a season, or see Ronaldo drag a team to glory? Joga Bonito all the way for me.
PS I think it's a fallacy as well that Ronaldo is a serial winner and Messi not. Messi has also won 10 La Ligas, 6 Copa Del Reys and 4 Champions Leagues. Ronaldo has won 2 La Ligas, 2 Copa Del Reys and 4 Champions Leagues at Real, and has an overall record of 6 league titles, 3 domestic cups and 5 Champions Leagues. He's also 2 and a half years older than Messi.
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Messi has never performed on the world stage with Argentina either. He's a great player that's for sure, but his performances are enhanced by the league he plays in.
He got the golden ball at the 2014 World Cup. Admittedly it surprised a few but Argentina would have been nowhere near the final without him, so to say he's "never performed on the world stage" is just wrong. If he was just a flat track bully he wouldn't have such a good record in the CL either.
That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
Never understood why people think he's "stayed in his comfort zone" and Ronaldo hasn't. Ronaldo moved from Manchester United to the richest club in the world, and from there onto a team who'd won the Scudetto about 7 times in a row. Ronaldo's moved about but let's not kid ourselves that each move was a surprising challenge. It's not like he's gone to see if he can win Serie A with Lecce is it? Also, Messi obviously loves Barcelona, he's adored by the crowd and he has the opportunity to win a lot there - is it any real surprise that he's not moved on?
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Messi has never performed on the world stage with Argentina either. He's a great player that's for sure, but his performances are enhanced by the league he plays in.
He got the golden ball at the 2014 World Cup. Admittedly it surprised a few but Argentina would have been nowhere near the final without him, so to say he's "never performed on the world stage" is just wrong. If he was just a flat track bully he wouldn't have such a good record in the CL either.
That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
Never understood why people think he's "stayed in his comfort zone" and Ronaldo hasn't. Ronaldo moved from Manchester United to the richest club in the world, and from there onto a team who'd won the Scudetto about 7 times in a row. Ronaldo's moved about but let's not kid ourselves that each move was a surprising challenge. It's not like he's gone to see if he can win Serie A with Lecce is it? Also, Messi obviously loves Barcelona, he's adored by the crowd and he has the opportunity to win a lot there - is it any real surprise that he's not moved on?
No, I stand by what I say. He's scored a grand total of 6 goals in World Cups, 4 being in the 2014 tournament and, as you admit, totally unexpected in reaching the final. His goals came against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria.
I still said he was a great player, but he hasn't performed on the World stage, possibly because the teams he's played in have let him down. There have been moments of brilliance, but as a consistent performer on the World stage? No, not for me.
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He’s got better international team mates than George Best had.!!
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That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
For me it's not really about stats its more to do with who I prefer to watch. I could watch Messi all day long as he plays football in a magical way. Ronaldo although very athletic and a great footballer I could not be bothered stopping what I was doing to watch him!! It's all about opinions & in my opinion Messi wins the argument. Also pro footballers tend to side with Messi in debates about who is the greatest and I'm sure they k ow alot more about what it takes to be the best than any of us!!
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Messi has never performed on the world stage with Argentina either. He's a great player that's for sure, but his performances are enhanced by the league he plays in.
He got the golden ball at the 2014 World Cup. Admittedly it surprised a few but Argentina would have been nowhere near the final without him, so to say he's "never performed on the world stage" is just wrong. If he was just a flat track bully he wouldn't have such a good record in the CL either.
That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
Never understood why people think he's "stayed in his comfort zone" and Ronaldo hasn't. Ronaldo moved from Manchester United to the richest club in the world, and from there onto a team who'd won the Scudetto about 7 times in a row. Ronaldo's moved about but let's not kid ourselves that each move was a surprising challenge. It's not like he's gone to see if he can win Serie A with Lecce is it? Also, Messi obviously loves Barcelona, he's adored by the crowd and he has the opportunity to win a lot there - is it any real surprise that he's not moved on?
No, I stand by what I say. He's scored a grand total of 6 goals in World Cups, 4 being in the 2014 tournament and, as you admit, totally unexpected in reaching the final. His goals came against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria.
I still said he was a great player, but he hasn't performed on the World stage, possibly because the teams he's played in have let him down. There have been moments of brilliance, but as a consistent performer on the World stage? No, not for me.
What are the comparative records of Messi and Ronaldo in the World Cup? And perhaps a Copa America/Euros comparison? A good way to judge their respective performance on the so-called "world stage", although again, Messi's achievements individually and for Barcelona speak for themselves in my opinion.
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Messi has never performed on the world stage with Argentina either. He's a great player that's for sure, but his performances are enhanced by the league he plays in.
He got the golden ball at the 2014 World Cup. Admittedly it surprised a few but Argentina would have been nowhere near the final without him, so to say he's "never performed on the world stage" is just wrong. If he was just a flat track bully he wouldn't have such a good record in the CL either.
That's why whenever the question is asked who is best Ronaldo or Messi for me it's Ronaldo everyday of the week..
Ronaldo's stats maybe aren't quite as good as Messi's over his career but he's proven himself in La Liga,premiership and Serie A..Messi has been happy to spend his career in his own comfort zone at Barca playing only 6 or 7 really competitive games a year..
Never understood why people think he's "stayed in his comfort zone" and Ronaldo hasn't. Ronaldo moved from Manchester United to the richest club in the world, and from there onto a team who'd won the Scudetto about 7 times in a row. Ronaldo's moved about but let's not kid ourselves that each move was a surprising challenge. It's not like he's gone to see if he can win Serie A with Lecce is it? Also, Messi obviously loves Barcelona, he's adored by the crowd and he has the opportunity to win a lot there - is it any real surprise that he's not moved on?
No, I stand by what I say. He's scored a grand total of 6 goals in World Cups, 4 being in the 2014 tournament and, as you admit, totally unexpected in reaching the final. His goals came against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria.
I still said he was a great player, but he hasn't performed on the World stage, possibly because the teams he's played in have let him down. There have been moments of brilliance, but as a consistent performer on the World stage? No, not for me.
What are the comparative records of Messi and Ronaldo in the World Cup? And perhaps a Copa America/Euros comparison? A good way to judge their respective performance on the so-called "world stage", although again, Messi's achievements individually and for Barcelona speak for themselves in my opinion.
SM - you're now saying that he's not a consistent performer on the world stage - very different to he's never performed on the world stage. He was named the best player at the World Cup - hardly indicative of someone who's never done it for anyone other than Barcelona.
RA - I'd imagine that Ronaldo has a better record but I don't think it would be that much better. Judging those two on that is daft though - presumably those that belittle Messi's (or Ronaldo's) achievements because they haven't done it "on the world stage" think that Kane is a better player than both given he's got a golden boot to his name?
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Ok.
Which one would you have at Donny next season
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Even though I prefer Messi as a player I think Ronaldo would do a better job for us. Bigger, more physical, and more direct. Get the offer on the table, bloody shite Bramhall.
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Ok.
Which one would you have at Donny next season
Silly question. Both of them of course :thumbsup:
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Both Ronaldo and Messi are up there as the best in the world over the last few years.
Nothing between them in my eyes.
However, the greatest player I have seen is George Best.
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Both Ronaldo and Messi are up there as the best in the world over the last few years.
Nothing between them in my eyes.
However, the greatest player I have seen is George Best.
The greatest I've seen is Alick at 17 years old. He just had everything.
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I look at the lIkes of Lineker a proven goalscorer in England went to Barca and still scored plenty. Obviously not classed as GOAT but carried on his trade in another country. This is why Messi good footballer that he is can't be considered as GOAT in my opinion he has never proved himself outside of Spain, and for me you can forget about International football as a yardstick
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Messi is an absolutely unbelievable player.
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Messy Goat ..............kidding
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Even though I prefer Messi as a player I think Ronaldo would do a better job for us. Bigger, more physical, and more direct. Get the offer on the table, bloody shite Bramhall.
Pretty much exactly my thoughts.
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Both Ronaldo and Messi are up there as the best in the world over the last few years.
Nothing between them in my eyes.
However, the greatest player I have seen is George Best.
The greatest I've seen is Alick at 17 years old. He just had everything.
As for the greatest of all time Rover, I suspect that opinion depends on the age of the supporter. Some of the younger fans who never saw Alick would claim it's Billy Sharp.
So, to be fair to the younger generation of supporters I'd say:
20th century= Alick Goat
21st century = Billy Goat
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Both Ronaldo and Messi are up there as the best in the world over the last few years.
Nothing between them in my eyes.
However, the greatest player I have seen is George Best.
The greatest I've seen is Alick at 17 years old. He just had everything.
As for the greatest of all time Rover, I suspect that opinion depends on the age of the supporter. Some of the younger fans who never saw Alick would claim it's Billy Sharp.
So, to be fair to the younger generation of supporters I'd say:
20th century= Alick Goat (Ive heard it said a few times)
21st century = Billy Goat
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It sticks in my throat a bit how everyone goes on about Messi being the GOAT!
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Could he hack it in The Prem or even Seria A week in week out. It’s OK being the GOAT in one league but surely to be called GOAT you should have proved yourself in other major leagues?
Seriously I just dont get it
https://twitter.com/PeriodicoWarca/status/1119204487628038144?s=19 (https://twitter.com/PeriodicoWarca/status/1119204487628038144?s=19)
4th most goals against the top 6, when he doesn't even play in England but yeah he'd be shit in England.
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It sticks in my throat a bit how everyone goes on about Messi being the GOAT!
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Could he hack it in The Prem or even Seria A week in week out. It’s OK being the GOAT in one league but surely to be called GOAT you should have proved yourself in other major leagues?
Seriously I just dont get it
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Seriously, you think the quality of La Liga is no better than the English Championship, are you mad, the technical ability of players in that league, even the poorer sides is light years ahead the Championship in this country and you are deluded to think otherwise.
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Both Ronaldo and Messi are up there as the best in the world over the last few years.
Nothing between them in my eyes.
However, the greatest player I have seen is George Best.
The greatest I've seen is Alick at 17 years old. He just had everything.
As for the greatest of all time Rover, I suspect that opinion depends on the age of the supporter. Some of the younger fans who never saw Alick would claim it's Billy Sharp.
So, to be fair to the younger generation of supporters I'd say:
20th century= Alick Goat
21st century = Billy Goat
Why bring me into this one BB?
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It sticks in my throat a bit how everyone goes on about Messi being the GOAT!
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Could he hack it in The Prem or even Seria A week in week out. It’s OK being the GOAT in one league but surely to be called GOAT you should have proved yourself in other major leagues?
Seriously I just dont get it
He is playing in a league that with the exception of 3-4 clubs is no better than the Championship
Seriously, you think the quality of La Liga is no better than the English Championship, are you mad, the technical ability of players in that league, even the poorer sides is light years ahead the Championship in this country and you are deluded to think otherwise.
It's either me or thee then, and maybe one or two others
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Messi would not and I repeat would not perform like he does week in week out at Barca in the prem. When you play 2 3 games per week and have to be on top of your game every week getting knocks and playing on like you have to over here. Even pep didn't realise how tough it was going to be and he has said that. His first season showed him that. Still a great player but he isn't the athlete Ronaldo is. And that's why he's never come to play in the best league in the world.
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Messi would not and I repeat would not perform like he does week in week out at Barca in the prem. When you play 2 3 games per week and have to be on top of your game every week getting knocks and playing on like you have to over here. Even pep didn't realise how tough it was going to be and he has said that. His first season showed him that. Still a great player but he isn't the athlete Ronaldo is. And that's why he's never come to play in the best league in the world.
To be fair, our PL players don’t play three games a week.
If they play, say Saturday then Tuesday, the following Saturday is in the following week.
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
How come he didn’t manage to drag Juventus to even the semi final this year?
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They play the same number of games at Barcelona in a season as they do here. It's an absolute myth and we'll never see the proof, but Messi would score a boatload in the Premier League and be a huge success. He is world class whether he's playing against Man City, Mallorca or bloody Mexborough.
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Messi is the best player currently playing... not even a contest
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
How come he didn’t manage to drag Juventus to even the semi final this year?
Thought that one was easy, even for you.
Barcelona have better players, and it was a completely different fixture. I wasn't talking about the juve match
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They play the same number of games at Barcelona in a season as they do here. It's an absolute myth and we'll never see the proof, but Messi would score a boatload in the Premier League and be a huge success. He is world class whether he's playing against Man City, Mallorca or bloody Mexborough.
Yep you are right we’ll never know if he would be rubbish in the prem
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
How come he didn’t manage to drag Juventus to even the semi final this year?
Thought that one was easy, even for you.
Barcelona have better players, and it was a completely different fixture. I wasn't talking about the juve match
- Do Barcelona have better players? Possibly but it’s debatable, in the past 3 years Juve have reached the semis and the final, whereas this was the first time in 4 years that Barça have even made the semis. They’re a shadow of the team they were 5 years ago and their continued (domestic) success is largely down to Messi
- Even if Barça are better than Juve, Messi was playing against a much better team in Liverpool. Lucas Moura did what Ronaldo couldn’t and dragged Spurs through against Ajax - does that mean he’s better than both of them?
- The only reason that Barcelona were in such a good position in the first place was because of Messi. His performance at the Nou Camp gave them that 3 goal cushion, so to accuse him of going missing completely negates his impact in the first half of the tie.
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Messi needs top quality players around him to perform consistantly, thats why he goes missing in Argentina games, no doubt he’s a great player, but he would n’t play a whole season over here, he’d get injured and kicked out of games in the PL
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Messi needs top quality players around him to perform consistantly, thats why he goes missing in Argentina games, no doubt he’s a great player, but he would n’t play a whole season over here, he’d get injured and kicked out of games in the PL
If it's so easy to stop him, why haven't the English teams figured that out in the Champions League?
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
How come he didn’t manage to drag Juventus to even the semi final this year?
Thought that one was easy, even for you.
Barcelona have better players, and it was a completely different fixture. I wasn't talking about the juve match
- Do Barcelona have better players? Possibly but it’s debatable, in the past 3 years Juve have reached the semis and the final, whereas this was the first time in 4 years that Barça have even made the semis. They’re a shadow of the team they were 5 years ago and their continued (domestic) success is largely down to Messi
- Even if Barça are better than Juve, Messi was playing against a much better team in Liverpool. Lucas Moura did what Ronaldo couldn’t and dragged Spurs through against Ajax - does that mean he’s better than both of them?
- The only reason that Barcelona were in such a good position in the first place was because of Messi. His performance at the Nou Camp gave them that 3 goal cushion, so to accuse him of going missing completely negates his impact in the first half of the tie.
Can you conceivably see Ronaldo going missing in the 2nd leg like Messi did?
Can you imagine Ronaldo sulking and crying afterwards like Messi? I can't.
For those reasons Messi (imo) simply can't be considered the goat.
Ronaldo for me. (just my opinion of course)
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Messi would not and I repeat would not perform like he does week in week out at Barca in the prem. When you play 2 3 games per week and have to be on top of your game every week getting knocks and playing on like you have to over here.
it's therefore safe to say that he'd be an even worse player in league one or two; shite pitches, even more playing time, thuggish opponents, indifferent officiating, the archetypal "tuesday night in november away at Rochdale" effect
wonder if that works in reverse; take a journeyman player out of L2 and put him in to messi's elevated sphere of endeavour with all the cossetting and coaching that goes with it - they could be redefined as a world-beater; i always maintain that we never really saw the best of lewis guy simply because he was hampered by his surroundings...
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Messi all too often goes missing in games to be considered the goat
Ronaldo is not only the goat, but he is a true leader.
If he played for barcalona, he would have dragged them into the final himself
How come he didn’t manage to drag Juventus to even the semi final this year?
Thought that one was easy, even for you.
Barcelona have better players, and it was a completely different fixture. I wasn't talking about the juve match
- Do Barcelona have better players? Possibly but it’s debatable, in the past 3 years Juve have reached the semis and the final, whereas this was the first time in 4 years that Barça have even made the semis. They’re a shadow of the team they were 5 years ago and their continued (domestic) success is largely down to Messi
- Even if Barça are better than Juve, Messi was playing against a much better team in Liverpool. Lucas Moura did what Ronaldo couldn’t and dragged Spurs through against Ajax - does that mean he’s better than both of them?
- The only reason that Barcelona were in such a good position in the first place was because of Messi. His performance at the Nou Camp gave them that 3 goal cushion, so to accuse him of going missing completely negates his impact in the first half of the tie.
Can you conceivably see Ronaldo going missing in the 2nd leg like Messi did?
Can you imagine Ronaldo sulking and crying afterwards like Messi? I can't.
For those reasons Messi (imo) simply can't be considered the goat.
Ronaldo for me. (just my opinion of course)
Fair point, you'd never see Ronaldo sulking or crying. I must have missed the memo, though, that says that to be a great sportsman you must never cry.
On a completely unrelated topic, here's a picture from this season's champions league.
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That looks to me like he's screaming out of frustration and passion. Not being a shrinking violet like Messi at times.
I 100 percent agree that Messi couldn't hack it in England, he simply doesn't have the mentality for it.
Could he cope with getting hacked at against teams like Burnley away on a cold rainy Tuesday night, no chance.
It's why balotelli couldn't hack it
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Pure speculation and you know it..
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Pure speculation and you know it..
Yeah, it's just my opinion
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
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soooo - how high can everyone piss ?
i'm 6'5 and, stood on a box, i reckon i could piss at least as high as the current high jump world record mark - how 'bout everyone else ???
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That looks to me like he's screaming out of frustration and passion. Not being a shrinking violet like Messi at times.
I 100 percent agree that Messi couldn't hack it in England, he simply doesn't have the mentality for it.
Could he cope with getting hacked at against teams like Burnley away on a cold rainy Tuesday night, no chance.
It's why balotelli couldn't hack it
Do u even watch football ?? Messi couldn’t hack it in England because teams like Burnley would kick him off the pitch.. are you serious ?? u get a booking nowadays for very little so the days of kicking players off the pitch are long gone.. and even if they weren’t they wouldn’t get anywhere near him to kick him.
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That looks to me like he's screaming out of frustration and passion. Not being a shrinking violet like Messi at times.
I 100 percent agree that Messi couldn't hack it in England, he simply doesn't have the mentality for it.
Could he cope with getting hacked at against teams like Burnley away on a cold rainy Tuesday night, no chance.
It's why balotelli couldn't hack it
Do u even watch football ?? Messi couldn’t hack it in England because teams like Burnley would kick him off the pitch.. are you serious ?? u get a booking nowadays for very little so the days of kicking players off the pitch are long gone.. and even if they weren’t they wouldn’t get anywhere near him to kick him.
Careful Retdon1 you will be being accused of actually knowing what you talk about in a minute lol. Of course your spot on, this rediculous myth that they dont have sides like Burnley or their like in Spain is just farcical or that La Liga is an inferior level to the EPL and that why he scores so many goals lol. :crying:
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
MATE!? You know me then?
Just wondered how you know what level I didn’t manage to play at but then you say I never played mmmm still didn’t answer the question though
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
Although I don't agree one bit with Raven's comments about Messi, I can assure you that the same Raven was a very good footballer, and played at a decent level.
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That looks to me like he's screaming out of frustration and passion. Not being a shrinking violet like Messi at times.
I 100 percent agree that Messi couldn't hack it in England, he simply doesn't have the mentality for it.
Could he cope with getting hacked at against teams like Burnley away on a cold rainy Tuesday night, no chance.
It's why balotelli couldn't hack it
I'm sure that Man U would jump at the chance of signing Messi if they could afford him.
I can't see Messi getting a team mate sent off and then winking to the bench like Ronaldo did with Rooney either.
Ronaldo was also nowhere in sight when Kaka took Man U apart in the Champions League semi a few years ago.
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
MATE!? You know me then?
Just wondered how you know what level I didn’t manage to play at but then you say I never played mmmm still didn’t answer the question though
.......................and I am not going to answer the question and or disclose who I am, but reasonable enough level to know what I am talking about, happy to have a chat offline if you want to DM me though.
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Are you The Secret Footballer?
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
MATE!? You know me then?
Just wondered how you know what level I didn’t manage to play at but then you say I never played mmmm still didn’t answer the question thotugh
.......................and I am not going to answer the question and or disclose who I am, but reasonable enough level to know what I am talking about, happy to have a chat offline if you want to DM me though.
NewDonny, without knowing raven, how can you make a statement like “a lot higher than you”.
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Swerve: NewDonny is actually Lionel Messi.
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Neither of them have the first touch of Copps anyway.
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Neither of them have the first touch of Copps anyway.
Or clown shoes luckily.😉
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
Although I don't agree one bit with Raven's comments about Messi, I can assure you that the same Raven was a very good footballer, and played at a decent level.
Thanks SS that means a lot to me
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
MATE!? You know me then?
Just wondered how you know what level I didn’t manage to play at but then you say I never played mmmm still didn’t answer the question though
.......................and I am not going to answer the question and or disclose who I am, but reasonable enough level to know what I am talking about, happy to have a chat offline if you want to DM me though.
Sorted🙂
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Anyone that has played the game at a reasonable level will instantly recognise that Messi is an outstanding talent and without doubt there is no one better in the world right now. Comments on here about him "going missing in games," "would not survive in the EPL", and my favourite; "apart from 3-4 teams he is playing in a league in Spain that is no better than the English Championship," are frankly utterly ridiculous.
How can anyone with his total of goals and assists have gone missing in games? How do you know what he would be like in the EPL, we don't play 3 games a week over here, its 2 and he plays the same amount of games across at Barcelona in a league that is just as physical and demanding but more technical. Messi makes things look easy which is the mark of a top, top player!
Healthy debate is great, but some of the comments on here are just truly rediculous made up rubbish or hypothesis from people who I seriously doubt have ever kicked a football in their lives.
So what you are saying is healthy debate is OK as long as they agree with your opinion or who have kicked a football otherwise they don’t know what they are talking about, is that a fair summary?
Some people heh just making “rediculous” comments obviously know nothing about football and just out of interest your playing career was what?
A lot higher than you mate that I can tell you for nothing. In fact judging by your irritated tone, I suspect you have never played and are just another armchair keyboard warrior lol.
MATE!? You know me then?
Just wondered how you know what level I didn’t manage to play at but then you say I never played mmmm still didn’t answer the question though
.......................and I am not going to answer the question and or disclose who I am, but reasonable enough level to know what I am talking about, happy to have a chat offline if you want to DM me though.
Sorted🙂
Are you impressed raven?
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Impressed about what?
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I played against Cagliari in 1981 and hit the post ....we lost 2-0
Just saying
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I played against Cagliari in 1981 and hit the post ....we lost 2-0
Just saying
Those beach games in Benidorm are great.
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I played against Cagliari in 1981 and hit the post ....we lost 2-0
Just saying
Those beach games in Benidorm are great.
Was a combined services match at the Decimomannu stadium....just saying
And I don’t holiday in Spain..................ever
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Messi is the best player I’ve ever seen live on TV,if you what I mean,he’s not and nor is he likely to win a World Cup winners medal. In that vane Nobby Stiles is better than Messi,Cruyff,Ronaldo,Best,Van Persie,Yashin etc etc. Best player ever is as in his name
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Impressed about what?
With his identity.
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No not really, why should I be?
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I assumed, possibly wrongly that he was intimating that he played as a professional or at a good amateur level.
That doesn't always mean that you know a lot about football looking at some of the Rovers players over the last sixty years. 😉