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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Copps is Magic on June 16, 2019, 02:15:24 pm
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McCann quote in the free press about Marquis. If that's the sentiment, then best he leaves.
Replacing Marquis / Wilks from last season will be an extremely difficult task.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-no-rush-to-sort-john-marquis-future-as-more-bids-arrive-143373
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I can't see a Championship club paying more than a million for him. He would still be a risk signing and by the sound of it the club are looking to get £2 million +. Not sure how this is going to pan out.
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I can't see a Championship club paying more than a million for him. He would still be a risk signing and by the sound of it the club are looking to get £2 million +. Not sure how this is going to pan out.
A championship club will 100% pay more than a million pounds for him. I don't know if he will cut it in the championship but a club will pay a lot for him. Wouldn't be surprised if we got £3million plus for him especially with how McCann has brought up in his interview the money Peterborough have got for players in the past.
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I can't see a Championship club paying more than a million for him. He would still be a risk signing and by the sound of it the club are looking to get £2 million +. Not sure how this is going to pan out.
Posh sold Jack Marriott to Derby County last summer for an initial £3m - rising to £5m - while Conor Washington left London Road for Queens Park Rangers for a reported £2.5m in 2016
All players are risks, that’s why teams weigh up the valuation and gamble on it, Derby have paid out a lot for a player, we have a player who has scored 26 goals last year. His work rate and personal character will go along way with meetings of potential managers. We should be expecting 2 million minimum
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Sounds like the club is demanding a good few million.
Makes a refreshing change
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This is confirming what I was told last week. A bid in the region of £2 million will be a good deal for all parties. There is plenty of money in the championship these days.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
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All depends on how the deal is structured we don’t need to sell but do we really want a player here who doesn’t want to be, now I am sure John would give 100%. If we do keep hold of him and dont get him to sign a new contract then we do risk losing him for nothing at season end
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Not keen on the lack of urgency here.
if he doesn't end up leaving until the last minute, then we are knackered as it leaves us no time to replace him.
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Good that we are sticking to our guns on valuation. I think if Marquis is here next season he’ll give his all.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
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It makes me laugh, we could get up to 2mil for marquis but people think we need 3 million to replace him.
Logic is all f**ked up.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been.
Bet his wages are 8 to 10 grand a week then.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been. Bet his wages are 10 grand a week then.
Yep.
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All depends on how the deal is structured we don’t need to sell but do we really want a player here who doesn’t want to be, now I am sure John would give 100%. If we do keep hold of him and dont get him to sign a new contract then we do risk losing him for nothing at season end
[/quote) I Suppose McCann will be looking st his replacement as well , do we have sell he before we can buy and how much does a replacement cost . This season is going to be a hard one for McCann as he wouldn’t won’t to be loosing Marquis as along with Kane Wilks and Rowe , that’s nearly all goals gone from the side . The clubs ambitions should be stretching to investing in players who have proven abilities likes Marquis or there’s going to be too many empty seats next season .
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We don't have to spend anything nobody is making us john was a free transfer we maybe able to find another gem and spend the money on other areas
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If he goes, we don’t have a single striker on the books. Sadlier could get to double figures from wide, Copps unlikely to do so. We need to replace not only Marquis goals but also Wilks goals. Perhaps our incoming Scottish friend could cover the Wilks deficit. Still need more out of upfront.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been. Bet his wages are 10 grand a week then.
Yep.
Nope.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been. Bet his wages are 10 grand a week then.
Yep.
Nope.
Nope to what SM? Free transfer or his wages?
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The difference with Norwood is he has left for nothing is a special case as he wants to be near his elderly mum and dad so they let him go for nothing to help him
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If he goes, we don’t have a single striker on the books. Sadlier could get to double figures from wide, Copps unlikely to do so. We need to replace not only Marquis goals but also Wilks goals. Perhaps our incoming Scottish friend could cover the Wilks deficit. Still need more out of upfront.
No one and is expecting Marquis to change his stance and sign a long term contract so it’s back to the drawing board . McCann has known I believe since he came that players would be leaving and it wouldn’t be easy to get the replacements with a budget that only just competes with others at the top half . If they get good money for Marquis this would help but it is possible we end up letting him go out on loan so a fee, if the figure the club want doesn’t happen and because pressure on the club to get their target replacement will immense so priorities change just like McCann's opinion. McCann is on record stating he doesn’t wont loans , amazing thing to say when you consider that club are about to pay a huge some for precisely that . If one thing I’ve picked up from listening to Grant McCann is that he seldom says what he means .
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Once again it appears that the ill-informed are bandying around non-facts and heresay to come up with dog turds.....
I guess forum members of all football clubs must send there brains away over the silly season.....
To assume we NEED to spend BIG to replace JM and have an impact is ridiculous....
How many on here are actually in possession of the facts?
I believe JM left the Rovers ( in his heart ).. during the January window....and a few noticed it , and a few refused to call it anything other than “ a dip in form”
And by all accounts ( fingers crossed) ...our very astute manager was well aware of what was happening and I hope, proceeded to put in place a plan B, which I believe he has already alluded to....
Many on here seem far too quick to raise concerns that have no real gravity....and for all the back slapping of GM for his excellent signings last season, for whatever reason seem to think that he won’t be able to do it again!
Dont say “ in GM we trust” .....unless you truly believe it.......enjoy ya summer break and be patient, scaremongering is for the illuminati not the average Joe with a distorted view
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Re Norwood - if you care to glance at the BBC transfers page, it says undisclosed, meaning he must have cost something.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been. Bet his wages are 10 grand a week then.
Yep.
Nope.
Nope to what SM? Free transfer or his wages?
I was saying Yep to free transfer, which is what their website says it is.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/james-norwood-signs-for-ipswich-town/&ved=2ahUKEwjq-6bO3O7iAhWUrHEKHfyICLsQFjADegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2kVW9oHpGGHu4z7hncWYr2&cshid=1560712925131 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/james-norwood-signs-for-ipswich-town/&ved=2ahUKEwjq-6bO3O7iAhWUrHEKHfyICLsQFjADegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2kVW9oHpGGHu4z7hncWYr2&cshid=1560712925131)
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McCann is enjoying having to plat Water with his poker face style of management , but it is working but it’s going to be difficult to smile when everything is as fluid as this .
Those Sears who take credit for knowing what has been vastly published in the press by those in the know , should come to terms, that it not going to a repeat performance and there is a team crisis developing with players still not agreeing contracts and only one definite new player signing after nearly a dozen leaving. I believe in McCann but I doubt even he can see the light at the end until possibly end of July or even later .
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McCann is enjoying having to plat Water with his poker face style of management , but it is working but it’s going to be difficult to smile when everything is as fluid as this .
Those Sears who take credit for knowing what has been vastly published in the press by those in the know , should come to terms, that it not going to a repeat performance and there is a team crisis developing with players still not agreeing contracts and only one definite new player signing after nearly a dozen leaving. I believe in McCann but I doubt even he can see the light at the end until possibly end of July or even later .
You talk some absolute nonsense
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Since1969 keeps talking about the “goals we have lost” when he talks about the players who have either left or are likely to leave.
Is it likely that the players we will bring in to replace them won’t score any goals at all.
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We have players that can score , but we lost good players and we haven’t stopped yet . Only those at the top know who’s coming in but not if they’ll succeed only that they should .
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We have players that can score , but we lost good players and we haven’t stopped yet . Only those at the top know who’s coming in but not if they’ll succeed only that they should .
Ehhhhhhhhhh
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We have players that can score , but we lost good players and we haven’t stopped yet . Only those at the top know who’s coming in but not if they’ll succeed only that they should .
A bit like when we signed players like Marquis, Rowe, Wilks and Kane then.
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The most bizarre claim I’ve seen in this thread is that “McCann seldom says what he means.”
That’s complete nonsense, in my opinion.
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
Would you rather spend a substantial fee on a proven goalscorer to replace Marquis, or take a punt at an unknown on a free?
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
Would you rather spend a substantial fee on a proven goalscorer to replace Marquis, or take a punt at an unknown on a free?
Depends which one turned out to be the better player.
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
Would you rather spend a substantial fee on a proven goalscorer to replace Marquis, or take a punt at an unknown on a free?
I would rather us spend the Marquis money to replace him with somebody with atleast a half decent scoring record.
Fair enough,John turned out well but probably 1 in 8 free transfers turn out to be good goal scorers.
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
Would you rather spend a substantial fee on a proven goalscorer to replace Marquis, or take a punt at an unknown on a free?
I would rather us spend the Marquis money to replace him with somebody with atleast a half decent scoring record.
Fair enough,John turned out well but probably 1 in 8 free transfers turn out to be good goal scorers.
You might think that, but the last five players to finish the season as top scorer for Rovers were actually all signed on free transfers - John Marquis, Andy Williams, Nathan Tyson, Chris Brown and Billy Paynter. You have to go back to Billy Sharp, our record signing, to find a top scorer we actually paid a transfer fee for.
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We have players that can score , but we lost good players and we haven’t stopped yet . Only those at the top know who’s coming in but not if they’ll succeed only that they should .
A bit like when we signed players like Marquis, Rowe, Wilks and Kane then.
Did you think Kane and Wilks would score what they did , even they didn’t . If they’d played average and scored less it would have been more of what was expected . I loved to be proved wrong but lightning doesn’t strike twice in the same place .
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'If truth be told John probably doesn't want to be here. He feels he deserves a crack at the championship and so do I to be honest"... And that is it... Can somebody enlighten me as to where the surprise, controversy, evidence of the club doing things on the cheap is in that statement.
It is possibly the single least controversial or unexpected statement put out since Ken Avis's reminders that ' smoking is forbidden in the Main Stand'
I only hope the club have considered how they can possibly replace Marquis, whom they signed on a free, for anything under 2 million pounds.
If he's here great.if he's gone good luck to him. His departure will not be an indication of the clubs commitment to staying in this division, mounting a promotion challenge, or winning the division and becoming an established championship club or however else people see the season and future unfolding.
It will merely indicate he wants to play at a higher level of football and we will need to get someone else in. That is how football works.
I hope McCann reads this forum because, if not, he probably isn't aware that in addition to possibly Marquis, we have lost Kane, Wilkes, Marosi and Butler from the play off semi final and they will need replacing.
Every pre season same old wailing and gnashing of teeth and I still can't press the ignore button.
We will have a team come the first game. Will it be capable of mounting a play off or promotion challenge, I honestly don't know. Then again my job doesn't depend on it, so I am happy to leave it to the man whose job does depend on us having a 'good' (whatever that may be) season.
I actually think now is the time to get rid of Marquis. We will obviously get a replacement in. Will they be as effective...who knows?
The last time we had a summer where our top goal scorer could have left for millions, and the manager wanted to cash in, was with Billy. We ended up selling him for considerably less, about 6 months later, by which time we had lost the most successful manager the club has had in recent times, had jumped into bed with a less than reputable agent and his experiment- which hindsight proved to be a financial and footballing disaster- and were witnessing the beginning of the unraveling of one time messiah, Chairman Ryan.
My advice to the doomsayers on this thread is, Let John go graciously. Don't take it personally. Believe in the manager and the club. Trust that we'll get a replacement in and turn up in August hoping it will be alright...All this angst and despair, just not worth it.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
It would cost us next to nothing, just like it cost us next to nothing to get marquis on a free. Out of contract players are out there!!!
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If we sold marquis for 2 million, there would be riots if we tried to replace him with a free transfer
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Some people are bizarre.
I really think this place would go into melt down if we signed someone for a substantial fee. It's like you want us to do everything on the cheap.
Some ARE very bizarre
We won’t sign anyone for a substantial fee
We do do everything on the cheap...and it’s called “cutting ya cloth”
and we are getting good at it
Would you rather spend a substantial fee on a proven goalscorer to replace Marquis, or take a punt at an unknown on a free?
I would rather us spend the Marquis money to replace him with somebody with atleast a half decent scoring record.
Fair enough,John turned out well but probably 1 in 8 free transfers turn out to be good goal scorers.
You might think that, but the last five players to finish the season as top scorer for Rovers were actually all signed on free transfers - John Marquis, Andy Williams, Nathan Tyson, Chris Brown and Billy Paynter. You have to go back to Billy Sharp, our record signing, to find a top scorer we actually paid a transfer fee for.
So only one in six cost a fee, not the other way round.
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We have players that can score , but we lost good players and we haven’t stopped yet . Only those at the top know who’s coming in but not if they’ll succeed only that they should .
A bit like when we signed players like Marquis, Rowe, Wilks and Kane then.
Did you think Kane and Wilks would score what they did , even they didn’t . If they’d played average and scored less it would have been more of what was expected . I loved to be proved wrong but lightning doesn’t strike twice in the same place .
You said that “only those at the top know who is coming in, but not if they will succeed”.
I would imagine that that phrase will apply to almost every player going to every club, so, no, I didn’t expect Kane or Wilks to score the goals they did do.
There is no reason that our incoming players this summer won’t do equally as well so I don’t understand why you are being so negative about our prospects.
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If we sold marquis for 2 million, there would be riots if we tried to replace him with a free transfer
No, there really wouldn't. There's be some that would be "livid" in a keyboard warrior kind of way, on this forum. Praise or Grumble might even gain a few more listeners, but riots? nah.
We may enter a spell of trying to find a good replacement, to the budget we've set ourselves, but that's all part of being a lower league fan isn't it? If you want constant success, support a club that throws money around to get the best players as that always guarantees success(!)
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I want the club to fight to keep John by building a team around his goal scoring . If he like Copps he is given preferential support or an above the average salary contract and pay him what he could earn at a Championship club that would be sensible investment , it has to be better than just waiting to get an offer that tiggers his departure. JM has been honest and loyal to DRFC and has demonstrated that he’s a good fit for the club and it shouldn’t be that it’s only money that can turn his head . I know budgets play are the big concern but it’s a per-annual concern that Rovers are under investing. JM has to the only player we’ve brought in for free and now selling for a huge amount for over 30 years . If what has been said that we don’t need to sell than what are we? Either the club truly believes this or it’s just flannel to put off the cheaper offers . I say put a contract worthy of him considering staying and build his future around the club and the club doing the same .His scoring record proves he IS the real deal so give him one .
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If we sold marquis for 2 million, there would be riots if we tried to replace him with a free transfer
No, there really wouldn't. There's be some that would be "livid" in a keyboard warrior kind of way, on this forum. Praise or Grumble might even gain a few more listeners, but riots? nah.
We may enter a spell of trying to find a good replacement, to the budget we've set ourselves, but that's all part of being a lower league fan isn't it? If you want constant success, support a club that throws money around to get the best players as that always guarantees success(!)
Wasn’t expecting anyone to think I meant literally riots.
McCann has already stated he has a list of players that we would go for is marquis left. There’s no way we would leave it until January before we sign a replacement. We’ve always been told by the board that money raised from football related business will be re invested into the first team squad so I don’t think it has anything to do with supporting clubs that throw money around or wanting guaranteed success
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Thing is a free transfer might be the right way to go. It's not just the pure fee is it but the whole package. Equally Mccann has a finite budget but can use that how he wants, it won't be 1 out and the funds on his replacement, he'll spread it out.
I also have zero issue with what Mccann has said. Marquis has earnt a chance at the next level and unfortunately we didn't make it. We shouldn't criticise players for wanting to step up, earn more money and play at a bigger club, wouldn't we all do the same?
Unless you're Barcelona etc you probably have the same scenario with your best players, even Chelsea couldn't keep theirs. John's been great for us but it feels like the right time for all to move on and I include the club in that.
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Put it thisway, if we wanted to buy a 25 goal a season fow much would it cost us, more than 3 million
Depends what level he scored those 25 goals.
How much have Ipswich paid Tranmere for Norwood ? That is a question as I don’t know the answer.
1 million, 2 million ?
Free transfer.
Was he out of contract. Presume he must have been. Bet his wages are 10 grand a week then.
Yep.
Nope.
Nope to what SM? Free transfer or his wages?
His wages obviously.
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Been brilliant for us and deserves a crack at the championship, think we all knew it was happening if we didn't go up. £2m+ is a good return on a free transfer that had scored a season high of 8 goals before joining us. Excited to have some money to spend on another striker, wonder who GM has in mind. Personally would like us to look at Christian Doidge.
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He is almost 27 and has scored one goal above League Two level in his entire career.
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It’s not really relevant how many goals they’ve scored at a particular level
Marquis hadn’t scored at this level when we signed him, Sharp hadn’t scored many at championship level,
Ipswich have just signed someone who’s only scored at league two level
When Peterborough signed players like Gayle, Marriott, asamobolonga his many goals had they scored at that level
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I think we need to make sure we sell him this summer, to the club who offer us the most, whatever amount that will be. It could be 1 million or 1.5, whatever it is we need to take it and move on. No way do we want this dragging on. His value will only decrease.
The club can then invest that money wherever they want. If previous windfalls are anything to go by that will be in the infrastructure of the club - stadium / training ground - rather than the actual playing squad, so don't expect any major signing to replace JM. It will be a young lad on loan.
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I only hope the club have considered how they can possibly replace Marquis, whom they signed on a free, for anything under 2 million pounds."
We aren't a championship side looking for a championship goalscorer though? If we received 2mil for JM from a championship side, I'd expect half of that to go on a new striker maximum, it'd be stupid business to go and spend 2 mil on a L2 striker, or a young striker from the PL or Champ with minimal experience for L1, we're a league 1 side, why would we spend the same as a Championship side? I don't get it?
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It’s not really relevant how many goals they’ve scored at a particular level
Marquis hadn’t scored at this level when we signed him, Sharp hadn’t scored many at championship level,
Ipswich have just signed someone who’s only scored at league two level
When Peterborough signed players like Gayle, Marriott, asamobolonga his many goals had they scored at that level
We didn’t sign Marquis at 27 though. Likewise Sharp. Hence me mentioning his age.
Now it could be that a player is a late bloomer (Ian Wright, Rickie Lambert) but the odds are that if you have played 95pc of your career below League One level and you are 27 in August, there is probably a reason for that.
Also, a two year contract would put them at 29 when we come round to considering their future next. How many Championship teams would take a major punt on a 29 year old for good money (which we would want) even if he had a massive success in those two years.
Bear in mind also that Marquis and Sharp had come from larger clubs and were finding their feet at smaller clubs - whereas this guy (who is merely a case in point at 27 having played the vast bulk of his career at below League One level - big difference).
The Peterborough players you cite were likewise not 27. They were a world away from that scenario.
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If we sold marquis for 2 million, there would be riots if we tried to replace him with a free transfer
No, there really wouldn't. There's be some that would be "livid" in a keyboard warrior kind of way, on this forum. Praise or Grumble might even gain a few more listeners, but riots? nah.
We may enter a spell of trying to find a good replacement, to the budget we've set ourselves, but that's all part of being a lower league fan isn't it? If you want constant success, support a club that throws money around to get the best players as that always guarantees success(!)
Wasn’t expecting anyone to think I meant literally riots.
McCann has already stated he has a list of players that we would go for is marquis left. There’s no way we would leave it until January before we sign a replacement. We’ve always been told by the board that money raised from football related business will be re invested into the first team squad so I don’t think it has anything to do with supporting clubs that throw money around or wanting guaranteed success
I don't think we would see any kind of uproar or riot, other than the some people on here who will complain to people who play no part in the decision making process
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Conor Washington is a free agent at the minute and ex Peterborough
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It’s not really relevant how many goals they’ve scored at a particular level
Marquis hadn’t scored at this level when we signed him, Sharp hadn’t scored many at championship level,
Ipswich have just signed someone who’s only scored at league two level
When Peterborough signed players like Gayle, Marriott, asamobolonga his many goals had they scored at that level
We didn’t sign Marquis at 27 though. Likewise Sharp. Hence me mentioning his age.
Now it could be that a player is a late bloomer (Ian Wright, Rickie Lambert) but the odds are that if you have played 95pc of your career below League One level and you are 27 in August, there is probably a reason for that.
Also, a two year contract would put them at 29 when we come round to considering their future next. How many Championship teams would take a major punt on a 29 year old for good money (which we would want) even if he had a massive success in those two years.
Bear in mind also that Marquis and Sharp had come from larger clubs and were finding their feet at smaller clubs - whereas this guy (who is merely a case in point at 27 having played the vast bulk of his career at below League One level - big difference).
The Peterborough players you cite were likewise not 27. They were a world away from that scenario.
Ipswich have just signed Norwood who is around 28 and played the majority of his football in non league.
And they’re amongst the favourites to win league one.
If the manager rates a player I’m almost certain they don’t just look at what level they’ve scored goals at.
Every manager will think they can get the best out of them
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https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/17710636.sunderland-to-move-for-john-marquis-and-harry-brockbank/
Millwall & QPR interested as well as Sunderland