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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ziggazaggarover on June 17, 2019, 09:23:44 pm
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In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
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If you want us to be poorer then yeah, let's get rid.
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Because John Ryan is a better businessman than a guy worth ten times what he was ever worth in Terry Bramall.
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....and off we go!
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Because John Ryan is a better businessman than a guy worth ten times what he was ever worth in Terry Bramall.
Least he achieved his goals whilst with DRFC
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In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Now we're getting somewhere!!
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Now we're getting somewhere!!
It was tongue in cheek, don't get excited.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
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Marosi - Alright for league 1 but how many mistakes? Lawlor ready to step back in
Rowe - Had 4/5 decent games and a bad injury record
Butler - Decent season but if it wasn’t for injuries would he really of been in the starting 11? Age isn’t on his side either
Andrew - Played all season, never played fantastic? Stands square on and most players get by him. The last 6 games were probably his best, reminded me of Bennet when he was suddenly playing for a contract
Kane/Wilkes - Not a chance getting back
Downing - Offer was there, blown out the way by Pompey so I’ve heard.
Are any of the players who left really worth overspending for? Players that can easily get replaced. Marquis and Whiteman on the other hand would be hard to replace, but both command fees I would bet that if any of the players who have left had a year or more on their contracts they wouldn't be bids coming in for them..
Nothing to do with Club Doncaster
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All them rubbish players got to the playoff.
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All them rubbish players got to the playoff.
Imagine how good we'll be when we get some good players in then :)
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
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Butler is underrated. He was our best defender.
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People who are anti-Club Doncaster remind me of Brexiteers.
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All them rubbish players got to the playoff.
Imagine how good we'll be when we get some good players in then :)
If we had Marquis, Whiteman, Wilkes and Kane next season the other gaps left by players who have left would be easily replaced. The fact we’ve got the get a new Wilkes and Kane is the only worrying thing for me.
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Honestly, out of all the players that have left so far which ones should we have broken the bank for?
No, none at all?
Hmmm!
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It's June.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
How long do you think Fleetwood Town can sustain paying “silly” wages.
Their owner is trying to live the dream. It won’t last.
Get real. A town with a population of 26,000 and is almost a suburb of Blackpool and they get gates of 3,000 when they are doing well.
Sorry it’s going to end in tears.
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Honestly, out of all the players that have left so far which ones should we have broken the bank for?
No, none at all?
Hmmm!
Would we have needed to break the bank to keep butler? All these players we’ve signed previously on contracts that were the same, slightly more or slightly less. Did we break the bank then when we originally signed them?
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Butler is 35. I wouldn't have offered him more, or even the same money he was on before personally.
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Honestly, out of all the players that have left so far which ones should we have broken the bank for?
No, none at all?
Hmmm!
Would we have needed to break the bank to keep butler? All these players we’ve signed previously on contracts that were the same, slightly more or slightly less. Did we break the bank then when we originally signed them?
You're not really answering my question are you? It was pretty straight forward. Which ones should we have pushed the boat out for?
But as I've mentioned before we offered Buts a decent contract, longer than the one he's accepted and with an offer to move to the coaching side when he wanted to. He chose a shorter contract at Scunthorpe. His choice.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
How long do you think Fleetwood Town can sustain paying “silly” wages.
Their owner is trying to live the dream. It won’t last.
Get real. A town with a population of 26,000 and is almost a suburb of Blackpool and they get gates of 3,000 when they are doing well.
Sorry it’s going to end in tears.
I don’t see why it will end in tears yes he is losing some money but he is happy to plug the gap
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
How long do you think Fleetwood Town can sustain paying “silly” wages.
Their owner is trying to live the dream. It won’t last.
Get real. A town with a population of 26,000 and is almost a suburb of Blackpool and they get gates of 3,000 when they are doing well.
Sorry it’s going to end in tears.
I don’t see why it will end in tears yes he is losing some money but he is happy to plug the gap
I've heard that so many times over the years. Believe me, it'll be the supporter organisations that pick up the pieces.
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.
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Would not bother. Can’t educate pork.
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Because John Ryan is a better businessman than a guy worth ten times what he was ever worth in Terry Bramall.
One was self made and one wasn’t..
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
Because John Ryan is a better businessman than a guy worth ten times what he was ever worth in Terry Bramall.
One was self made and one wasn’t..
Was he self made?
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Marosi - Alright for league 1 but how many mistakes? Lawlor ready to step back in
Rowe - Had 4/5 decent games and a bad injury record
Butler - Decent season but if it wasn’t for injuries would he really of been in the starting 11? Age isn’t on his side either
Andrew - Played all season, never played fantastic? Stands square on and most players get by him. The last 6 games were probably his best, reminded me of Bennet when he was suddenly playing for a contract
Kane/Wilkes - Not a chance getting back
Downing - Offer was there, blown out the way by Pompey so I’ve heard.
Are any of the players who left really worth overspending for? Players that can easily get replaced. Marquis and Whiteman on the other hand would be hard to replace, but both command fees I would bet that if any of the players who have left had a year or more on their contracts they wouldn't be bids coming in for them..
Nothing to do with Club Doncaster
What with your in-depth knowledge ever thought of management
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Alas it appears that the silly season has not been misrepresented poorly by the silly posters....
How is good debate gonna crawl out from under the avalanche of bullsh#t
There are agendas at work here.......
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Honestly, out of all the players that have left so far which ones should we have broken the bank for?
No, none at all?
Hmmm!
Would we have needed to break the bank to keep butler? All these players we’ve signed previously on contracts that were the same, slightly more or slightly less. Did we break the bank then when we originally signed them?
You're not really answering my question are you? It was pretty straight forward. Which ones should we have pushed the boat out for?
But as I've mentioned before we offered Buts a decent contract, longer than the one he's accepted and with an offer to move to the coaching side when he wanted to. He chose a shorter contract at Scunthorpe. His choice.
You asked which players we should have broken the bank for. And I know we wouldn’t have had to break the bank to keep butler he was expecting a lower offer, just not as low as he was offered.
Certainly wouldn’t have broken the bank to keep him as you suggest
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Marosi - Alright for league 1 but how many mistakes? Lawlor ready to step back in
Rowe - Had 4/5 decent games and a bad injury record
Butler - Decent season but if it wasn’t for injuries would he really of been in the starting 11? Age isn’t on his side either
Andrew - Played all season, never played fantastic? Stands square on and most players get by him. The last 6 games were probably his best, reminded me of Bennet when he was suddenly playing for a contract
Kane/Wilkes - Not a chance getting back
Downing - Offer was there, blown out the way by Pompey so I’ve heard.
Are any of the players who left really worth overspending for? Players that can easily get replaced. Marquis and Whiteman on the other hand would be hard to replace, but both command fees I would bet that if any of the players who have left had a year or more on their contracts they wouldn't be bids coming in for them..
Nothing to do with Club Doncaster
What with your in-depth knowledge ever thought of management
I’ve voiced my opinion, like on my other post if we had Marquis, Whiteman, Wilkes and Kane this season who would you really of thrown money at out of the players who have left?
With your sh*t replies, have you ever thought of not posting on here.
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It's entirely fair that people are raising concerns at the minute.
The best players have left/leaving or likely to leave, with no one coming in.
Questions are gonna be asked, and so far absolutely nothing has been said or done to aleiviate those concerns.
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.
Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.
Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.
Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.
So, I fail to see your point.
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Seems like your dodging the point he's raised
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It's entirely fair that people are raising concerns at the minute.
The best players have left/leaving or likely to leave, with no one coming in.
Questions are gonna be asked, and so far absolutely nothing has been said or done to aleiviate those concerns.
Brad Halliday has already signed, you can sleep a little better now, but do try and keep up ;)
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.
Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.
Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.
So, I fail to see your point.
Answer my question then ? Rovers income , shirt sales , season tickets , away ticket sales , pay on gate , commercial revenue , sponsorships , money from efl for being in league 1 and finishing 6th position , food and drink sales concourses , must be well in excess of 6 million so how does club Doncaster bring in more than that ?
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Give me strength.
I'm starting to think the forum should be shut down until the opening day of the season so everyone can be forced to go outside and think about something other than how allegedly terrible everything is at the football club, when of course in reality it isn't.
Some utterly, utterly, utterly ridiculous garbage being spouted at the moment.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
Im not no,Because Im pretty sure,it's not about competing with wages,we did'nt pull out of signing DA because we could'nt compete wages wise,I think we pulled out because we did'nt think DA was worth what his agent/him wanted,we probably think we can get the same for less or better for the same or much better for what he wanted.
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And the fact his agent was playing games
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I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?
From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.
Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.
What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?
Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.
Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.
Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.
So, I fail to see your point.
Answer my question then ? Rovers income , shirt sales , season tickets , away ticket sales , pay on gate , commercial revenue , sponsorships , money from efl for being in league 1 and finishing 6th position , food and drink sales concourses , must be well in excess of 6 million so how does club Doncaster bring in more than that ?
SCMP (Financial Fair Play in L1 and L2) limits us to spending wages of 60% of our turnover, as this is Club Doncasters turnover it then increases due to what we get in from the Dons and Belles.
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
The guy who wanted to sell
Us to a hedge fund?
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The opening post does not recognise the strategy of Club Doncaster to work for the good of the community and expresses a selfish narrow minded viewpoint .
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Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?
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When in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about
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When in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about
Good point.
Just to clairfy, i'm a big supporter of Club Doncaster. My original post in this thread was in jest.
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We know the agenda of the posters that come out of the woodwork to openly criticise Club Doncaster, the Board, Terry Bramhall etc, without just cause. These people refuse to be educated because it doesn't fit into their agenda. What they also fail to understand is JR was supportive of the concept of Club Doncaster however, as he criticised the acquisition of the Dons in public at the time to suit his own agenda, these people take it as gospel that Club Doncaster is a drain rather than the generator of income and turnover which exceeds the gap he left behind.
The bottom line is these folk believe TB should be spending more of his personal wealth to 'spend' our way up the leagues as they are convinced JR did just that. They will not be moved from this belief.
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Terry Bramall.
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Disagree, club Doncaster puts the club at the heart of the community, there’s some very good things happening off the pitch. Why do people have to knock things just for the sake of it?
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When in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about
When you click on the link it says 'We are a non-profit, self funding registered charity that has achieved more than 30 years of inspiring positive change' etc.
That's a bit confusing because Club Doncaster has not been on the go that long.
And, if it's non-profit, how does money get passed on to the club?
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The Foundation is not the same as Club Doncaster, it is one facet of Club Doncaster and was around before being incorporated into CD when they decided to create that umbrella branding, which was only done a couple of years ago.
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Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?
If you've read the accounts Nick then you should be able to see it, it's quite clearly there. It's a subject we've discussed often with the club, and certainly at Supporter Board meetings where the financials have been disclosed to the board. Our income mirrors in many ways the incomes at EPL clubs, where the main income is made up of 3 parts, broadcast income, gate receipts and commercial income. These 3 are similar percentages. When the VSC has done its analysis of each years accounts we've always commented on the performance of the commercial team at the club. The solidarity payments, from the EPL and EFL are also higher than gate receipts, which show how worried most clubs of our size should be if, God forbid, that income dried up through something like the creation of a European Super League, for example.
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When in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about
When you click on the link it says 'We are a non-profit, self funding registered charity that has achieved more than 30 years of inspiring positive change' etc.
That's a bit confusing because Club Doncaster has not been on the go that long.
And, if it's non-profit, how does money get passed on to the club?
The club are entitled to charge for services delivered. The foundation also has to pay it's way. Elementary business activities.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
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In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.
In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.
Believe it or not but the Dons actually make money and they cost nothing to club Doncaster, they are sustainable
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
Exactly as GM says if he isn’t committed to being a DRFC player then :byebye:
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There is no doubt that we have lost significant players, and seem set to lose more, maybe even the manager. Currently we have gained what looks like three decent players, a defender and two midfielders, the big problem may be if we lose a goal scorer, that is an expensive item to replace. There is good reason why we should be anxious about how things are developing, but then there is time to sort it out. Patience is a virtue folks, calm down.
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The OP seems to have gone quiet.
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The OP seems to have gone quiet.
Still waiting on my answer on how does club Doncaster generate more income than Doncaster rovers , Doncaster rovers comes under club Doncaster so take the accounts mean nothing really as most of the sponsorship and commercial revenue is down to the rovers what is showing on club doncasters accounts. Also most clubs have foundations and work in the community without having to acquire a rugby team that struggles and a women's football team that also struggles to make ends meet
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The OP seems to have gone quiet.
Still waiting on my answer on how does club Doncaster generate more income than Doncaster rovers , Doncaster rovers comes under club Doncaster so take the accounts mean nothing really as most of the sponsorship and commercial revenue is down to the rovers what is showing on club doncasters accounts. Also most clubs have foundations and work in the community without having to acquire a rugby team that struggles and a women's football team that also struggles to make ends meet
I've personally told you Club Doncaster helps us have a bigger budget and the reason why. It'd be smaller without.
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The OP seems to have gone quiet.
Still waiting on my answer on how does club Doncaster generate more income than Doncaster rovers , Doncaster rovers comes under club Doncaster so take the accounts mean nothing really as most of the sponsorship and commercial revenue is down to the rovers what is showing on club doncasters accounts. Also most clubs have foundations and work in the community without having to acquire a rugby team that struggles and a women's football team that also struggles to make ends meet
You havn't structured your question in a logical way, and you've demonstrated a lack of understanding of how the club works. How can anybody answer that?
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
The guy who wanted to sell
Us to a hedge fund?
NO the man that saved the club from extinction the took us to the championship
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Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.
The guy who wanted to sell
Us to a hedge fund?
NO the man that saved the club from extinction the took us to the championship
Not both?
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
No, no, no, Dave.
So wrong!
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
🤣🤣😂😂 Hedge Fund 😂😂😂😂Financial Support 😂😂😂😂😂Oh my sides!!!
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
Yeah, hedge funds are so well known for their generosity without any expectations of returns, aren't they?
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Indeed those investors who invest in funds to help them out.....
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God only knows who Sequentia Capital were - but strictly speaking they were not a hedge fund. The definition of a hedge fund is an investment fund that uses a range of financial instruments to deliver an absolute return ie even in a market going backwards, they are going forwards - hence ‘hedging’ against adverse outcomes using swaps, options, etc.
Sequentia Capital likely had an investment strategy closer to private equity in that they take ownership of an entity through leverage and hold for 3-5 years, disposing at a higher price than they acquired (probably by having Rovers in a higher division) but with risk of all debt used for acquisition being left with the club rather than the financial sponsor (Sequentia Capital).
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It matters not you people can never let it go and just think that If it was not for JR none of us would have had a club to support at all
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Well said vicar!!
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It matters not you people can never let it go and just think that If it was not for JR none of us would have had a club to support at all
So you think when someone posts crap we should just 'let it go' instead of correcting it?
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
No, no, no, Dave.
So wrong!
he dint own the club to try and sell it but people just forget what he did for the people of Doncaster and only remember that he was saying he was seeking legal advice on some slandering him and I don't blame him
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It matters not you people can never let it go and just think that If it was not for JR none of us would have had a club to support at all
So you think when someone posts crap we should just 'let it go' instead of correcting it?
how can you correct it, when. JR was here there was bad things said and done from both sides not just one there always is two sides now let's get on with supporting our club
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It matters not you people can never let it go and just think that If it was not for JR none of us would have had a club to support at all
So you think when someone posts crap we should just 'let it go' instead of correcting it?
how can you correct it, when. JR was here there was bad things said and done from both sides not just one there always is two sides now let's get on with supporting our club
So bringing in a hedge fund for 'financial support' was correct then, was it?
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I never said it was did I just point me to where I said that. JR taking us from near out of business to the championship realy irks you you poor lost sole
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Support your and my club relax you might just enjoy the season, if the JR thing dunt get you into bad
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I never said it was did I just point me to where I said that. JR taking us from near out of business to the championship realy irks you you poor lost sole
He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
No, you never said he was bringing them in for financial support, did you? :silly:
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
And maybe also that Morris has signed for them over us?
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You are a silly little man, you never realise when you are being wound up lol. Just sit back and enjoy your football man, I know you don't like me that dunt bother me it just amuses me no end
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I never said it was did I just point me to where I said that. JR taking us from near out of business to the championship realy irks you you poor lost sole
He certainly did save us from possible extinction but he didn't on his own take us to the Championship.
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Fleetwood are going to get themselves in to some right strife weather its finally or fair play
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I never said it was did I just point me to where I said that. JR taking us from near out of business to the championship realy irks you you poor lost sole
He certainly did save us from possible extinction but he didn't on his own take us to the Championship.
just remember what he did for us lol and as I said just enjoy your football
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
And maybe also that Morris has signed for them over us?
And Charlton and Portsmouth, if you believe the reports linking us with him. Does that mean Charlton and Portsmouth can't compete with Fleetwood on wages too?
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He dint try to sell us to a hedge fund, he was bringing them in has financial support
No, no, no, Dave.
So wrong!
he dint own the club to try and sell it but people just forget what he did for the people of Doncaster and only remember that he was saying he was seeking legal advice on some slandering him and I don't blame him
But that's not right either Dave, we received solicitors letters because we had the cheek to ask questions of their intentions. The same questions were asked of David Blunt and he answered them all.
But threatening to make me bankrupt and take my house off me because I asked some questions isn't right either.
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As I said there was things said on both sides that was not good. I know all on the vsc don't like Jr but in fairness he did save the club and gave us all a lot of great times and that should never be forgotten do you agree Martin
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As I saib there was things said on both sides that was not good. I know all on the vsc don't like Jr but in fairness he did save the club and gave us all a lot of great times and that should never be forgotten do you agree Martin
I think you are trying to convince yourself, no oneis disputing whhat he did in the early days
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As I saib there was things said on both sides that was not good. I know all on the vsc don't like Jr but in fairness he did save the club and gave us all a lot of great times and that should never be forgotten do you agree Martin
I don't think anybody's disputing that Dave. And as I've posted on here before I thought he could walk on water where this club was concerned. But all that changed, he stopped doing things for the club and started to do it for himself. And without the current owners there would not have been a Wembley appearance and Championship football.
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And who brought them in Martin another good foresight by him. But I have no complaints about the board now, I did have when two of them said to me and 5 others that they wanted to be in league 2 where we could be sustainable and that is fact, but now they are doing a good job for me
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And who brought them in Martin another good foresight by him. But I have no complaints about the board now, I did have when two of them said to me and 5 others that they wanted to be in league 2 where we could be sustainable and that is fact, but now they are doing a good job for me
No argument from me Dave, I agree with you.
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OK Martin see you next season maybe have a drink
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Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?
If you've read the accounts Nick then you should be able to see it, it's quite clearly there. It's a subject we've discussed often with the club, and certainly at Supporter Board meetings where the financials have been disclosed to the board. Our income mirrors in many ways the incomes at EPL clubs, where the main income is made up of 3 parts, broadcast income, gate receipts and commercial income. These 3 are similar percentages. When the VSC has done its analysis of each years accounts we've always commented on the performance of the commercial team at the club. The solidarity payments, from the EPL and EFL are also higher than gate receipts, which show how worried most clubs of our size should be if, God forbid, that income dried up through something like the creation of a European Super League, for example.
Hi SM, sorry for such a slow response on here - I've been on holiday and not had a chance to reply fully. Given that we haven't had an income statement since the financial year ending June 2015 as the accounts are now published as a small company (link I'm looking at below), I'm not quite sure what you're seeing that I'm not - there's no turnover let alone any segmental information. Ditto no revenue information in the Club Doncaster accounts.
Doncaster Rovers Limited (Patienceform) accounts: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03739676/filing-history
Club Doncaster Limited accounts: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08699464/filing-history
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
And maybe also that Morris has signed for them over us?
And Charlton and Portsmouth, if you believe the reports linking us with him. Does that mean Charlton and Portsmouth can't compete with Fleetwood on wages too?
I never disputed that, I was just responding to it being said that the “only” reason people may think Fleetwood are spending bigger than us would be the Andrew scenario.
I was just pointing out another reason people may come to that conclusion, the fact they also beat off Pompey emphasises it even more so
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Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages
No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players
Well said Dave.
I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.
he was not average last season, and of he was average why did we offer him a contract in the first place.
He was very poor at the beginning of the season. He improved as the season went on and finished better than he started. That makes him average over the length of the season. We offered him a contract based on him being an improving left back, which is why we gave him an improved contract.
But your point, that we can't compete with Fleetwood on wages, is just poppycock, based on nothing other than we cancelled negotiations with a player because he prevaricated for far too long.
And maybe also that Morris has signed for them over us?
And Charlton and Portsmouth, if you believe the reports linking us with him. Does that mean Charlton and Portsmouth can't compete with Fleetwood on wages too?
I never disputed that, I was just responding to it being said that the “only” reason people may think Fleetwood are spending bigger than us would be the Andrew scenario.
I was just pointing out another reason people may come to that conclusion, the fact they also beat off Pompey emphasises it even more so
But that was wrong also, we never spoke to Morris, he was never on our radar.
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Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?
If you've read the accounts Nick then you should be able to see it, it's quite clearly there. It's a subject we've discussed often with the club, and certainly at Supporter Board meetings where the financials have been disclosed to the board. Our income mirrors in many ways the incomes at EPL clubs, where the main income is made up of 3 parts, broadcast income, gate receipts and commercial income. These 3 are similar percentages. When the VSC has done its analysis of each years accounts we've always commented on the performance of the commercial team at the club. The solidarity payments, from the EPL and EFL are also higher than gate receipts, which show how worried most clubs of our size should be if, God forbid, that income dried up through something like the creation of a European Super League, for example.
Hi SM, sorry for such a slow response on here - I've been on holiday and not had a chance to reply fully. Given that we haven't had an income statement since the financial year ending June 2015 as the accounts are now published as a small company (link I'm looking at below), I'm not quite sure what you're seeing that I'm not - there's no turnover let alone any segmental information. Ditto no revenue information in the Club Doncaster accounts.
Doncaster Rovers Limited (Patienceform) accounts: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/03739676/filing-history
Club Doncaster Limited accounts: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08699464/filing-history
Nick, When you said you'd seen the accounts I thought you meant 'the accounts', not the ones available on-line. I should stress then that the accounts I've seen clearly show the information as I've detailed before.
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In your initial response on this thread you said “Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.” That to me suggested that the information is freely available, but the only public financial information that we have are the accounts filed on Companies House. If we just have to take your word for it then fair enough, you’d certainly be the person to trust, I was just a bit confused by the phrasing.