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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnyspadge on June 18, 2019, 03:51:11 pm
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Who would you replace him with?
I'd got for Darren Moore
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Nigel Adkins or Michael Flynn
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
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Is it too early to reopen the SOD debate?
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
Didn’t we head hunt SOD and Saunders in recent history
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
Didn’t we head hunt SOD and Saunders in recent history
There's an obvious response to that.
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Is it too early to reopen the SOD debate?
Chris,
I would love Sean to come back but that's not going to happen primarily because we treated him so badly.
The manner in which he was sacked was deplorable.
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
Didn’t we head hunt SOD and Saunders in recent history
And Dickov....
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
Didn’t we head hunt SOD and Saunders in recent history
There's an obvious response to that.
Which is ?
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Wignall.
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Andy Giddins confirms that no contact has been made, nor will it be welcomed.
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Welcomed ? After GM’s recent value statements i would imagine he would not even be considered ...
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Gary monk just been sacked by Birmingham
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Lawrie McMenemy springs to my mind. As does.....hang on, just changing a light bulb in my marijuana, I mean greenhouse.
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We don't headhunt. That much is clear, applicants only.
Didn’t we head hunt SOD and Saunders in recent history
There's an obvious response to that.
Which is ?
Different owners
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silly season looking for new manager before season starts
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I'll do it, won't ask for a big salary and I'll definitely call Rovers a "massive club" at my introductory press conference.
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I'd go for Andy Stocks, donnyspadge
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John Schofield, with Russ Wilcox as his assistant or vice versa. Seriously!
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Ritchie wellens
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I thought Oldham were very impressive under Wellens at the Keepmoat the other year.
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Why have we got 2 McCann threads. :facepalm:
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Ritchie wellens
Thought he left because of travel. Would be worse hours as a manager
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I'd go for the Accrington manager - John Coleman I think his name is.
Must be doing a great job keeping them in this league with their budget.
Plus half of our team have played for them at some stage, so he must be able to pick a player.
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Is it too early to reopen the SOD debate?
Chris,
I would love Sean to come back but that's not going to happen primarily because we treated him so badly.
The manner in which he was sacked was deplorable.
Unfortunately I was at Reading away that day .. calling off on the way back from holiday in Torquay. The football was pityful to be honest Giles Barnes looked like a lost schoolboy no one had a clue what formation/tactics we were playing, 1000 miles away from Wembley and the Leeds defeat. Maybe the manner was wrong but we had definitely come to the end of the road that day.. he will always be a legend but like a lot of things the dream was well and truly over...
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Didn't realise that SOD was now head of coaching and learning for Portsmouth's academy.... Coaching was always his forte IMO
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It goes to show how much he was rated by the fans that he is still talked about now.
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John Schofield, with Russ Wilcox as his assistant or vice versa. Seriously!
Russ is at Scunny now, putting together an under 23 team for next season.
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Wot manger wood you hav
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I'd go for the Accrington manager - John Coleman I think his name is.
Must be doing a great job keeping them in this league with their budget.
Plus half of our team have played for them at some stage, so he must be able to pick a player.
Big yes from me, really manager, & on small budgets.
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Coleman struggled the last time he left Accrington
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Wonder if Nigel Adkins would be interested?
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It goes to show how much he was rated by the fans that he is still talked about now.
Best ever manager we have ever had but ran out of steam/ideas possibly due to having to let such as Stock and Wellens go, don't quote me with dates, trying to consequentialise this, but when he went we were a shallow team of our former self with no ambition/ belief a toxic mixture and very negative passing constantly round the back with no end product...sorry but that was how I saw it for all it's warts...
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For me, it would have to be a former or current player to try and unite the fan base properly.
Darren Moore, already experienced, cult hero status.
Copps, say no more, with an experienced number 2 alongside him. Richard O'Kelly anyone?
Neil Redfearn, not sure to be honest, highly rated coach but management????
Shame about Graeme Jones.
What's Gary Brabin up to nowadays? 😁
Wellens, rookie coach butvwants to play the right way.
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Not sure Richard o Kelly will be leaving villa for us
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Not sure Richard o Kelly will be leaving villa for us
Yep, probably right but working with John Terry has got to take its toll sooner or later.
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Gary Brabin was with Graeme Jones at Bristol Rovers Home game in March, they went into the East Stand then did a quick about turn because Jones spotted Mick Hartford there,Luton were playing Bristol Rovers on the following Saturday. Jones was nearly sprinting outside the East Stand with Brabin running behind him shouting “ Bonner,Bonner wait ,wait up mate “.
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This thread is not relevant. Not yet. I don’t think it will be for 2/3 yrs.
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Coleman took over a Rochdale side heading for relegation in the January & lasted just 12 months, hardly time to instil his own ways & put together his own team. Would be a good fit for us & have a little more time than a year I suspect. Like the way he gets his teams organised & working for each other, & with a bit bigger budget than he currently has.
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Coleman took over a Rochdale side heading for relegation in the January & lasted just 12 months, hardly time to instil his own ways & put together his own team. Would be a good fit for us & have a little more time than a year I suspect. Like the way he gets his teams organised & working for each other, & with a bit bigger budget than he currently has.
Think Coleman has been a brilliant manager for Accrington but my gut feeling is he might not be at most other clubs. Don’t think he would be a good fit for us personally.
He is Mr Accrington Stanley. Some managers are just made for 1 club. I think that applies to him.
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Is it too early to reopen the SOD debate?
Chris,
I would love Sean to come back but that's not going to happen primarily because we treated him so badly.
The manner in which he was sacked was deplorable.
Unfortunately I was at Reading away that day .. calling off on the way back from holiday in Torquay. The football was pityful to be honest Giles Barnes looked like a lost schoolboy no one had a clue what formation/tactics we were playing, 1000 miles away from Wembley and the Leeds defeat. Maybe the manner was wrong but we had definitely come to the end of the road that day.. he will always be a legend but like a lot of things the dream was well and truly over...
That game was an absolute disgrace.
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If and it’s a big IF,McCann was to leave I would be very disappointed. That’s football however and these things can and do happen regularly.
Darren Moore or Nigel Adkins would probably be my first two choices in no particular order, however I wouldn’t have picked McCann and would’ve preferred Stuart Mcall this time last year so shows what I probably know!
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How badly is this going to effect our chances next season?
It will probably be resolved within the next few days, but I doubt the club would have been expecting this, so i'm doubting they've even considered replacements.
The start of the season in less than 2 months away. Going on our past track record, it will take anything up to a month to bring someone else in, then they've got to pretty much build a new squad.
Worrying times.
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It is worrying.
But, the club will be identifying potential replacements now, they'd be mad not to. The key for me is how quickly they get it done because we don't have time to be wasting now. Pre-season begins in a week!
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The fact GM went for or is going for an interview is enough for me I don't want to see him back. As GM said "I only want people who want to play for Donny"
Start looking for a new manager Mr Bramall and sting Hull for as much as you can get.
I just wonder if GM was tapped up before it all kicked off?
That's the last two managers that have left Donny in a very strange fashion. Will we ever find out why? I doubt it.
The show goes on.
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I think you've gotten slightly ahead of yourself there, somehow.
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Nothing has been set yet, he might go for an interview and find out it isn’t for him. Am sure a lot of us have gone for an interview whilst employed but it wasn’t what was expected.
He might not go for an interview, he might go and accept the job. I hope he stays. If he goes then that’s football.
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Could he bring Billy with him
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I hope Gavin or someone is now trying to convince him to stay. If he goes, we will be all at see at exactly the time that effects the club most (transfer window). Whilst I am sure back ups will have been though about, it does tend to take a while to sort out. Worrying.
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How did we get from an official approach being made to having been for an interview.???
The conclusion jumping hurdle race sees a new leader.!!
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Wot manger wood you hav
Sorry but it's not funny
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If it turns out that GM says no to the approach then I will back down and apologise.
The thought that he has gone out and got players to sign to play the way he wants the team to play and then he considers leaving, the club may well be in trouble, I find that very hard to accept.
The reason I say he may well leave our club in trouble is that our new manger may well not agree with the new players coming in and so he starts at a disadvantage.
IDM, this is a direct quote
"The fact GM went for or is going for an interview"
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I keep talking about the Shrewsbury scenario of last season but their best loan players went back, they lost their manager plus two or three of their best players and they struggled all season.
Now if he goes will the loan players come, the signings that were going to sign today and tomorrow will those happen.
Let’s hope he stays otherwise we start all over again and I’m not sure what will be the outcome.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
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“Been told”
Are we going to have that all over again.? Jesus H Christ on a bike.!!
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What fact.? Where does it say that other than in your post.?
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To be fair
Everything he’s said has happened.
Don’t know why you keep jumping all over him
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To be fair
Everything he’s said has happened.
Don’t know why you keep jumping all over him
I understand some people don't like "gossip". I just post what i've been told, to an extent.
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Alickismyhero, you have just decided he's going for an interview though. You make several assumptions in that opening post and it's unwarranted at this stage, although I understand the concern.
- McCann hasn't gone for an interview, we don't know if he even wants to go or if the club will let him speak to Hull.
- No implication at all of him being 'tapped up'. Indeed McCann has been working on new signings for DRFC all this week.
- Last two managers having left in a strange fashion? McCann hasn't left and even if he does now, it's hardly strange. A bigger team have come in to take him and pay him more money, give him a higher budget and manage in a higher league.
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To be fair
Everything he’s said has happened.
Don’t know why you keep jumping all over him
You’re missing the point..
That his or her information may be correct isn’t the issue, it’s the posting of partial information and the reluctance to explain further that is the issue..
Simple really, or you would have thought so..
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Thing is though, I could post all this stuff you're saying - because it is all reasonable to infer from events around the club - and claim someone important has told me it all. It's just irritating to be honest and I'm not surprised people are objecting to it.
You might well be mates with Bramall/Watson/Blunt/McCann/Donny Dog or whomever, but while you keep doing this "I know this and that" without really elaborating on how, people will challenge it.
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Its not partial information he’s just not telling you who’s told him.
Which is understandable isn’t it
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Thing is though, I could post all this stuff you're saying - because it is all reasonable to infer from events around the club - and claim someone important has told me it all. It's just irritating to be honest and I'm not surprised people are objecting to it.
You might well be mates with Bramall/Watson/Blunt/McCann/Donny Dog or whomever, but while you keep doing this "I know this and that" without really elaborating on how, people will challenge it.
Why do you need to know who told him though, if he says that he’s unlikely to continue getting information
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Thing is though, I could post all this stuff you're saying - because it is all reasonable to infer from events around the club - and claim someone important has told me it all. It's just irritating to be honest and I'm not surprised people are objecting to it.
You might well be mates with Bramall/Watson/Blunt/McCann/Donny Dog or whomever, but while you keep doing this "I know this and that" without really elaborating on how, people will challenge it.
Why do you need to know who told him though, if he says that he’s unlikely to continue getting information
As IDM says, missing the point. Just don't say anything in that case, honestly. It's the half in, half out of it all. If I knew something "in the know" I doubt I'd be broadcasting it on the forum openly, it comes off sometimes like redarmy82 is just triyng to look important. I'm not saying that is what he is doing, but it's one of the reasons people have been objecting to it this week.
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Yes it is partial information if it’s not backed up, such as a link to a tweet etc.
And looking at his/her posts about Andrew, it definitely is partial information.!
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Yes it is partial information if it’s not backed up, such as a link to a tweet etc.
And looking at his/her posts about Andrew, it definitely is partial information.!
It's partial information ebcause Andrew doesn't want it posted everywhere. I merely said what he later said in his own Tweet.
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We definitely have some attention seekers. 4 threads on the same subject!
Silly season just gone to a whole new level!
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If he doesn’t want it posted then don’t even mention it..
Why say there is another side to the story if you can tell the story.??
Don’t you get it.?
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Could make him an absolute hero by staying at Rovers. He has time here; if we had a nightmare and finished 17th next season, he'd still be backed. At Hull, he'd be gone by Christmas.
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Back to the original question.
It’s disastrous basically. One step forward and two back.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
SM, tell them to announce someone just to prove this wrong x
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What would reece James be thinking right now
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What would reece James be thinking right now
The same has Tom Anderson must have thought last season at the same time.
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Thing is though, I could post all this stuff you're saying - because it is all reasonable to infer from events around the club - and claim someone important has told me it all. It's just irritating to be honest and I'm not surprised people are objecting to it.
You might well be mates with Bramall/Watson/Blunt/McCann/Donny Dog or whomever, but while you keep doing this "I know this and that" without really elaborating on how, people will challenge it.
Why do you need to know who told him though, if he says that he’s unlikely to continue getting information
As IDM says, missing the point. Just don't say anything in that case, honestly. It's the half in, half out of it all. If I knew something "in the know" I doubt I'd be broadcasting it on the forum openly, it comes off sometimes like redarmy82 is just triyng to look important. I'm not saying that is what he is doing, but it's one of the reasons people have been objecting to it this week.
Why though?
It’s upto you whether you believe the information or not.
If you knew a player or an official and was told something that was of interest what’s wrong with sharing it, without having to tell everyone who told you
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It’s not ideal but far from a disaster.
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Alternatively it’s people who claim to be in the know, even if genuine, posting to somehow make themselves look superior.?
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
SM, tell them to announce someone just to prove this wrong x
I think we're doing that anyway.
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Halliday and all the others reported to be joining us in the next few days!
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It’s not ideal but far from a disaster.
We’ve had the absolute core of our play off reaching team stripped out, our top goal scorer for the last three years is on his way and now the manager is off.
Please tell me what else would need to happen in your opinion for this not to be a disaster.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
SM, tell them to announce someone just to prove this wrong x
I think we're doing that anyway.
Doing what SM - not bringing anyone else until it is resolved or announcing a new player anyway?
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Could be mostly the drivel and whinging on here that GM has read and maybe he thinks he can’t do right for wrong.
We have so morons that just want to moan for moaning sake and be negative
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I take your point IDM, I think I made point poorly.
and I accept that RA you clearly see the emotion I attached to my comment.
I maintain that if GM accepts the approach from Hull he no longer is on my Christmas card list.
The show goes on.
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Understood, at least you have the decency to explain what you mean unlike others on here..
For what it’s worth, managers get head hunted all the time, so if GM goes then so be it.. difficult, undoubtedly but what will be will be..
Didn’t we head hunt S O’D.?
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I think I will feel the same as you Alickismyhero if he does go.
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It’s not ideal but far from a disaster.
We’ve had the absolute core of our play off reaching team stripped out, our top goal scorer for the last three years is on his way and now the manager is off.
Please tell me what else would need to happen in your opinion for this not to be a disaster.
I would consider it a disaster if we didn’t have a board whom I’m confident would go out and recruit a good manager (if need be), would support our manager in recruiting players who are of a standard to replace any players leaving and didn’t have a scouting network to find a replacement good enough to replace JM.
We have all of those.
Will that do?
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
SM, tell them to announce someone just to prove this wrong x
I think we're doing that anyway.
Doing what SM - not bringing anyone else until it is resolved or announcing a new player anyway?
We'll be announcing new players.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
SM, tell them to announce someone just to prove this wrong x
I think we're doing that anyway.
Doing what SM - not bringing anyone else until it is resolved or announcing a new player anyway?
We'll be announcing new players.
Nice one!!
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The best thing the club can do is convince GM that he can get the players that will make us stronger to be able to be promoted this season. Then he’s no need to leave.
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I can't wait to to see the back of him but I think he's making a huge mistake because I think if Ross at Sunderland has a slow start to the season or they have a poor run of results Sunderland would've been kicking our door down to take him and their former youth player and coach Byrne to the Stadium of Light.
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Grab Paul Hirst from Scunthorpe did a great job at Shrewsbury
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You can’t wait to see the back of McCann? You didn’t mean that did you?
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McCann could not have thought when he was sacked by Peterborough and within a year he’d be after 1 good season with DRFC be head hunted for Championship club . Fergie must be gutted !!😆
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
Hahahahahaa
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It’s only a job . If the firm down the road offered me more money for doing the same job I would snatch their hand off
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
So the one just announced was agreed when, exactly, assuming your source tells you that.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
Hahahahahaa
Some real sad acts on here.
Maybe the signing has been announced because the manager has decided to stay put. Could be good news.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
Hahahahahaa
Some real sad acts on here.
Maybe the signing has been announced because the manager has decided to stay put. Could be good news.
Yes that could be true, but seeing as you are so much in the know, why don’t you tell us.?
That’s the point.. :facepalm:
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Morons, whingers, negative posts. Why not just wait for news and support the club
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MJG,
And the same goes for club managers, if Bramall is not impressed with GM's actions bearing mind he made long term plans with GM in mind and better manager becomes available he has a perfect right to go for him and say good by GM.
Its all a game and the show goes on.
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Been told no more transfers in until the situation is resolved.
Understandable.
Hahahahahaa
Some real sad acts on here.
Maybe the signing has been announced because the manager has decided to stay put. Could be good news.
Yes that could be true, but seeing as you are so much in the know, why don’t you tell us.?
That’s the point.. :facepalm:
I can’t see for the life of me why you think he’s showing off or bragging he’s just passing on information he’s been told
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Which was incorrect.!
Therefore the information is questionable..
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But lots of the other stuff he’s said has come correct
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Like I said, it may still be correct. Maybe mccann is staying. Maybe this deal was already too far over the line to stop.
Could be any number of reasons.
The amount of contempt some people have on here is unreal. All I've done is shared info I get given.
It's a forum for f**ks sake.
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As a guess i think the board would sanction this deal regardless of McCann position. I doubt he will be on much wage and is worth the risk.
Middleton however is likely to be more signifcant in terms of finances and may not be willing to confirm the signing until they know what is happening with McCann.
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Oh, the “it’s a forum” argument..!
Glad you brought that up, as on a forum your opinion and posts are open to question.. if you don’t like that, don’t post.!
I have contempt because you claim to be in the know but tell half a story, so even if you are right your argument is weakened.. and then you don’t like it when folks question you..
But yeah, it’s a forum where folks can disagree as much as necessary..
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I once had some info because I worked with dave pennys brother.
I put it on here and everyone shot me down calling me an idiot and a liar. But it was all true.
Anyway RA maybe telling the truth we don't know but there's no need to be off or anything like that.
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Oh, the “it’s a forum” argument..!
Glad you brought that up, as on a forum your opinion and posts are open to question.. if you don’t like that, don’t post.!
I have contempt because you claim to be in the know but tell half a story, so even if you are right your argument is weakened.. and then you don’t like it when folks question you..
But yeah, it’s a forum where folks can disagree as much as necessary..
And if you don't like what I write, don't read it.
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How would I know I don’t like it until I’ve read it.?
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Can we all just be sensible for a sec and put yourself in GMs place. You've just gone over 1 year in a new job and are both enjoying it, getting on with it and getting on with your bosses.
You then get told by your boss you've been head hunted for a bigger club/firm
Now would you go for the interview?????????????? Not with brexit looming and the club being known for being unstable. That said will he get another chance????????? Based on that I'd say no as I'm older now and know the grass is not greener and that I'd want at least one more season to prove last year was not a flash in the pan. Then if rovers don't go up the chances are another championship club will come calling and then I go
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I once had some info because I worked with dave pennys brother.
I put it on here and everyone shot me down calling me an idiot and a liar. But it was all true.
Anyway RA maybe telling the truth we don't know but there's no need to be off or anything like that.
I once had some info because I worked with dave pennys brother.
I put it on here and everyone shot me down calling me an idiot and a liar. But it was all true.
Anyway RA maybe telling the truth we don't know but there's no need to be off or anything like that.
I know.
I just don’t understand it.
It’s like people just can’t handle the fact someone knows something.
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Wrong again..
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Mickey walker
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Oh, the “it’s a forum” argument..!
Glad you brought that up, as on a forum your opinion and posts are open to question.. if you don’t like that, don’t post.!
I have contempt because you claim to be in the know but tell half a story, so even if you are right your argument is weakened.. and then you don’t like it when folks question you..
But yeah, it’s a forum where folks can disagree as much as necessary..
It is way over the top though,
I would’ve thought a normal approach would be just to say thanks for the info let’s see what happens.
Not all the over the top stuff asking how do you know, and then laughing because something didn’t come true
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
My comment was in direct response to your previous post on here.
I’m perfectly ok with people posting info, just as they should be ok with it being questioned.?
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Oh, the “it’s a forum” argument..!
Glad you brought that up, as on a forum your opinion and posts are open to question.. if you don’t like that, don’t post.!
I have contempt because you claim to be in the know but tell half a story, so even if you are right your argument is weakened.. and then you don’t like it when folks question you..
But yeah, it’s a forum where folks can disagree as much as necessary..
It is way over the top though,
I would’ve thought a normal approach would be just to say thanks for the info let’s see what happens.
Not all the over the top stuff asking how do you know, and then laughing because something didn’t come true
Why should we thank people for info that may be questionable.?
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Of course
But just because they don’t/can’t say who it is that’s informed them I don’t think they then deserve the constant negative comments
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Oh, the “it’s a forum” argument..!
Glad you brought that up, as on a forum your opinion and posts are open to question.. if you don’t like that, don’t post.!
I have contempt because you claim to be in the know but tell half a story, so even if you are right your argument is weakened.. and then you don’t like it when folks question you..
But yeah, it’s a forum where folks can disagree as much as necessary..
It is way over the top though,
I would’ve thought a normal approach would be just to say thanks for the info let’s see what happens.
Not all the over the top stuff asking how do you know, and then laughing because something didn’t come true
Why should we thank people for info that may be questionable.?
Why do you think it’s questionable? Why would your initial response be they’re making it up rather than thinking of it positively
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Because there is no reference sourcing.. no link to twitter or the DFP for example.
At least with SM you know he has a direct link with the club.
If other people claim to be in the know then surely we can question where this comes from? If the poster gives a reasonable explanation then fair enough, but this one didn’t..
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Maybe but if he does know someone and they’re telling him personally what can he do to make you believe he’s telling the truth.
I knew someone who worked within the club and spoke to the players and manager every week. And whenever I posted something I just got aggressive, arrogant, clever replies.
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And round we go...
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Then just say “I know someone at the club but they don’t want me to say” at least has a bit more credence than saying nowt..
Also, stating that there will be no more signings whilst the GM/Hull thing is ongoing just before a signing is announced. does kind of weaken the in the know argument. So if it was questionable
in the first place, it’s more so now..
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Then just say “I know someone at the club but they don’t want me to say” at least has a bit more credence than saying nowt..
Also, stating that there will be no more signings whilst the GM/Hull thing is ongoing just before a signing is announced. does kind of weaken the in the know argument. So if it was questionable
in the first place, it’s more so now..
But the stuff I've posted that has been correct doesn't make it less questionable? Interesting logic.
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That’s not my point..
Never mind, as you said, it’s a forum and if we can’t see eye to eye, it’s not the end of the world..
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I'd maybe try and see if we could tempt Karl Robinson. Yes i know the guy is a bit of a knob but he's got a proven track record and plays good football.
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I'd maybe try and see if we could tempt Karl Robinson. Yes i know the guy is a bit of a knob but he's got a proven track record and plays good football.
I'd maybe try and see if we could tempt Karl Robinson. Yes i know the guy is a bit of a knob but he's got a proven track record and plays good football.
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
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Keegan.
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You can’t wait to see the back of McCann? You didn’t mean that did you?
Yes
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I'd maybe try and see if we could tempt Karl Robinson. Yes i know the guy is a bit of a knob but he's got a proven track record and plays good football.
Would sooner have Karl Kennedy.
Sorry but anyone who embraces Franchise FC with such glee is not a credible figure.
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You can’t wait to see the back of McCann? You didn’t mean that did you?
Yes
Ok 🤷🏼♂️
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
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Simon Grayson?
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
How else would you like me to show you that it happens. Other than an official statement from a club saying they’ve refused permission from a club to speak with their manager 🤷🏼♂️
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
How else would you like me to show you that it happens. Other than an official statement from a club saying they’ve refused permission from a club to speak with their manager 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly! How do you know what happened? Did the club offer the manager more money to stay, or did the manager not fancy the move anyway, or maybe the manager did accept the interview but was pretty useless at that.
There are rules, and when applied there is a process to follow, which is the point I made and the one you refuted. Therefore the onus is on you to prove it, you said it had happened, I asked you for the evidence.
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Well, the Hull friendly, might not be so friendly 😀
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Garry Monk
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
How else would you like me to show you that it happens. Other than an official statement from a club saying they’ve refused permission from a club to speak with their manager 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly! How do you know what happened? Did the club offer the manager more money to stay, or did the manager not fancy the move anyway, or maybe the manager did accept the interview but was pretty useless at that.
There are rules, and when applied there is a process to follow, which is the point I made and the one you refuted. Therefore the onus is on you to prove it, you said it had happened, I asked you for the evidence.
The statement from the club is pretty conclusive. And this was on the clubs official website
A statement on the club’s website said: “Aberdeen Football Club has announced this evening that Rangers have contacted the Club asking for permission to speak to Derek McInnes and that permission has been refused.”
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Don’t think GM will be able to watch dvds of all the Ull games in a short space of time
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
How else would you like me to show you that it happens. Other than an official statement from a club saying they’ve refused permission from a club to speak with their manager 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly! How do you know what happened? Did the club offer the manager more money to stay, or did the manager not fancy the move anyway, or maybe the manager did accept the interview but was pretty useless at that.
There are rules, and when applied there is a process to follow, which is the point I made and the one you refuted. Therefore the onus is on you to prove it, you said it had happened, I asked you for the evidence.
The statement from the club is pretty conclusive. And this was on the clubs official website
A statement on the club’s website said: “Aberdeen Football Club has announced this evening that Rangers have contacted the Club asking for permission to speak to Derek McInnes and that permission has been refused.”
Hasn't SM just literally said that it's an LMA thing that covers English leagues?
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Like I said there’s occasions where clubs have refused permission and the manager has wanted to go and in the end they’ve either been placed on gardening leave or they’ve just resigned.
Steve Bruce did this when he wanted to join Birmingham from palace and also pardew when he wanted to join West Ham from reading.
Both occasions ended in court because their clubs wouldn’t let them talk to the interested clubs
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Wrong again..
Thought I’d just shown I wasn’t wrong on the other topic?
But you haven't have you. You've linked to some media reports, nothing more, nothing less.
How else would you like me to show you that it happens. Other than an official statement from a club saying they’ve refused permission from a club to speak with their manager 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly! How do you know what happened? Did the club offer the manager more money to stay, or did the manager not fancy the move anyway, or maybe the manager did accept the interview but was pretty useless at that.
There are rules, and when applied there is a process to follow, which is the point I made and the one you refuted. Therefore the onus is on you to prove it, you said it had happened, I asked you for the evidence.
The statement from the club is pretty conclusive. And this was on the clubs official website
A statement on the club’s website said: “Aberdeen Football Club has announced this evening that Rangers have contacted the Club asking for permission to speak to Derek McInnes and that permission has been refused.”
Hasn't SM just literally said that it's an LMA thing that covers English leagues?
Yep, I did. But dickos1 isn't listening.
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I’m listening,
Just don’t agree with what your saying.
Even found something stating the rule
A Club can attempt to hold a Manager who is being courted by a rival Club to his contractual notice period (or to the end of his fixed term, if the Contract is expressed in that way).
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Like I said there’s occasions where clubs have refused permission and the manager has wanted to go and in the end they’ve either been placed on gardening leave or they’ve just resigned.
Steve Bruce did this when he wanted to join Birmingham from palace and also pardew when he wanted to join West Ham from reading.
Both occasions ended in court because their clubs wouldn’t let them talk to the interested clubs
Ended up in court. Proves that rules exist.
They can't actually stop them from talking, what they can do is not pass on the information, which in itself is breaking the rules.
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I’m listening,
Just don’t agree with what your saying.
Even found something stating the rule
A Club can attempt to hold a Manager who is being courted by a rival Club to his contractual notice period (or to the end of his fixed term, if the Contract is expressed in that way).
I am quoting the rule book. It's not my opinion.
I have no idea what you have found there. Attempt? That means nothing.
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Look at the pardew and Bruce examples
Both clubs blocked the manger from speaking with the other club, reading even placed pardew on gardening leave for a month so he couldn’t join West Ham until that was over
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following the rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
Looks like our owners operate with integrity, can’t argue with that.?
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Look at the pardew and Bruce examples
Both clubs blocked the manger from speaking with the other club, reading even placed pardew on gardening leave for a month so he couldn’t join West Ham until that was over
I'm tired, I have an early flight in the morning. Just go and read the rule book, it's easy.
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
That's exactly it IDM. If Hull make an official approach we have to tell GM about it. It's his choice whether he attends for an interview. We can't block him, stop him, put him on gardening leave (whatever that means) or refuse to cooperate.
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
Yes they’re bound to inform him but can then tell him they won’t allow it.
But it wouldn’t be the best idea desperately holding onto a manger that wanted to leave, it’s not quite the same as doing it with a player
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
Yes they’re bound to inform him but can then tell him they won’t allow it.
But it wouldn’t be the best idea desperately holding onto a manger that wanted to leave, it’s not quite the same as doing it with a player
They can't!!! How many more times do you have to be told. For f**ks sake!
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Mark Weaver, he knows the club!
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
That's exactly it IDM. If Hull make an official approach we have to tell GM about it. It's his choice whether he attends for an interview. We can't block him, stop him, put him on gardening leave (whatever that means) or refuse to cooperate.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2003/oct/17/newsstory.sport10
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
Yes they’re bound to inform him but can then tell him they won’t allow it.
But it wouldn’t be the best idea desperately holding onto a manger that wanted to leave, it’s not quite the same as doing it with a player
They can't!!! How many more times do you have to be told. For f**ks sake!
Calm down 🙄
I’ve given many examples of it happening so if the rule states they can’t they it’s not enforced very well
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Although it doesn’t really matter - if I read the DFP rightly the club will consult GM, thereby following. The rules SM refers to as well as being open and honest with GM himself..
Yes they’re bound to inform him but can then tell him they won’t allow it.
But it wouldn’t be the best idea desperately holding onto a manger that wanted to leave, it’s not quite the same as doing it with a player
They can't!!! How many more times do you have to be told. For f**ks sake!
Calm down 🙄
I’ve given many examples of it happening so if the rule states they can’t they it’s not enforced very well
No, you've given media reports. What's in the media doesn't necessarily (usually) hold true.
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They’re media reports of things that happened, pardew wasn’t allowed to speak to West Ham so resigned and then reading placed him on gardening leave.
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
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Who's dismantled a play off side?
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
C’mon Filo, it’s June. He’s been rebuilding the squad in good faith. You might not agree with his approach with contract negotiations but he can’t choose the timing of a good job offer from a recent ex-Premier League side.
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
C’mon Filo, it’s June. He’s been rebuilding the squad in good faith. You might not agree with his approach with contract negotiations but he can’t choose the timing of a good job offer from a recent ex-Premier League side.
It just smacks of hypocrisy. I'm going to be gutted he's going. He was what we needed at the right time.
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
C’mon Filo, it’s June. He’s been rebuilding the squad in good faith. You might not agree with his approach with contract negotiations but he can’t choose the timing of a good job offer from a recent ex-Premier League side.
It just smacks of hypocrisy. I'm going to be gutted he's going. He was what we needed at the right time.
I’m as gutted as anyone, but what’s he going to do? Not act in the best interests of DRFC while he is manager in case people see him as a hypocrite if he moves on to a better job himself?
People are getting far too emotional about it wanting to pull GM apart. He was doing and saying what he believed to be the right things for DRFC while he is/was our manager. Does that mean he can never leave the club? It’s a pathetic argument if you ask me.
I’m still hoping he’ll stay, in which case there would be egg on some faces on here.
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
C’mon Filo, it’s June. He’s been rebuilding the squad in good faith. You might not agree with his approach with contract negotiations but he can’t choose the timing of a good job offer from a recent ex-Premier League side.
Thats the thing, I agree with his approach, if he goes it will be the hypocrisy shown by him that wiil grate, he’s let Andrew, Morasi, Butler and Rowe go by playing hardball with them and now it seems he’s going to f**k off for more money and leave us in a far weaker position
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
Or could he have had enough of p!ssing into the wind and the board are negotiating the contracts, end up with second or third choice
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This is all hypothetical and as our owners are reasonable men, they are unlikely to deny permission if McCann wanted to speak to Hull. Taking the other approach only creates other problems where no one comes out well. Respect works both ways.
Respect also means you don’t play hardball with players, dismantle a play off side and then promptly f**k off leavingus in the lurch
C’mon Filo, it’s June. He’s been rebuilding the squad in good faith. You might not agree with his approach with contract negotiations but he can’t choose the timing of a good job offer from a recent ex-Premier League side.
Thats the thing, I agree with his approach, if he goes it will be the hypocrisy shown by him that wiil grate, he’s let Andrew, Morasi, Butler and Rowe go by playing hardball with them and now it seems he’s going to f**k off for more money and leave us in a far weaker position
So because he didn’t want to overpay on new contracts, that means he can never leave for another job? Gimme a break.
I think the prospect of being a Championship manager will be a greater factor than the money, too.
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I don't see the hypocrisy. McCann respects players who have genuine ambition. What irks him is players who are just looking for a pay day, sideways moves when there's limited prospects for those clubs when he believes the better prospect would be with him as manager.
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That was just Andrew and we don’t know how good a contract it was.
He could’ve offered a better contract to butler,
The only thing that’s narking me is all the stuff he’s said in the press about only signing players who want to be here and then the first time another club shows some interest in him he’s off
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A lot of fans will feel let down by this, not only McCann, but the board need to take a long look in the mirror, as do some of the boards mouth pieces on here too
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It makes you wonder what Hull are offering him.
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That was just Andrew and we don’t know how good a contract it was.
He could’ve offered a better contract to butler,
The only thing that’s narking me is all the stuff he’s said in the press about only signing players who want to be here and then the first time another club shows some interest in him he’s off
He was also talking about the Rotherham lad.
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He didn’t mention money regarding him though he just said when he met him he acted like he was doing us a favour and that he wasn’t really showing he wanted to sign for us
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It sounds like we won't be messing about with a replacement looking at Liam Hodens Tweet.
I do think we'd have to go with an experienced pair of hands, purely because of the position we'd be with players etc, rather than someone like Mccann this time. Just my opinion.
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It goes to show how much he was rated by the fans that he is still talked about now.
He achieved the clubs highest finish for over half a century and won a trophy, hardly surprising some remember him fondly!
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Simon Grayson?
Now that is a great shout! It's no issue to me but he'd be likely to jump ship at the slightest interest from a bigger club though, unless he's learned from past experiences.