Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Retdon1 on June 20, 2019, 03:08:39 pm
-
Confirmed that Hull now make official approach
-
What can you do?? If he decides to go and speak to them their isn't much you can do..The club cant be faulted on this one,I would be gutted if he decided to go but that's football,it happens..
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
-
What can you do?? If he decides to go and speak to them their isn't much you can do..The club cant be faulted on this one,I would be gutted if he decided to go but that's football,it happens..
To use McCans words, people that don’t want to be here can go
-
Idd be disappointed if he left with everything he’s said this summer about loyalty and wanting to play for the club.... could understand if it was a club like Preston or Brentford but not Hull. There going to be in big trouble next season. Will lose their best 2 players and have little if any money to spend.
-
Like McCann says about the players if he doesn't want to be here then thanks for the last 12 months and move on.
I do want him to stay though fingers crossed :rtid:
-
Give him an improved contract and all the Marquis money to spend. Do anything we can. Please!
-
Dickov and Ferguson were welcome to leave, but McCann is a very different story. We don't want to start interviews for another manager now when McCann is starting to build his own team. Chances are, a year from now, Grant will be more appreciated for what he has achieved at Doncaster than at Hull. But if he goes that is all there is to it. Depends how accurate Football Insider is.
-
Would he make a couple of signings and then walk out on them ? I would be surprised if he did.
-
Offer him a long contract, he’s the best manager we’ve had in years.
-
The silence from McCan all week has been deafening
-
Right that they give him the option and he may well talk to them, he may not get another chance at that level.
-
Right, can we now panic please!!!
-
Why on Earth he’d leave us for Hull I’ve no idea. Even their fans on social media are telling him not to waste his time!!
-
If he is mates with Adkins he would surely know the reasons why he left, so hopefully it may put him off going there.
Not a great time to be having to look for a new manager if he goes (especially with how long it takes us to appoint one)
-
So much for us tell them to do one.
-
Players in for testing next week and a trip to La Manga the following week. Who'll be sorting that out if he does go?
I can't see it, myself, as it makes him look a bit daft, after all he's said recently.
Of course, if McCann doesn't fancy it, he only has to say something, surely?
-
So much for us tell them to do one.
I’m guessing that we could rebuke their first approach but if they’re persistent or the manager has said he’d like to talk to them then what can you do?
-
Press Talk Only
Hull Daily Mail confirm an approach has been made and they’re “confident they’ll get their man” in the next 48 hours.
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
-
From DFP:
The Rovers hierarchy will speak with McCann before deciding how to proceed.
Rovers will be extremely reluctant to accept the approach as they intend on plotting a bright future with McCann in charge of the side.
But the wishes of the manager himself will have a major bearing on how the next few days play out.
In the meantime, Rovers are poised to announce their third signing of the summer with a midfielder set to join on Thursday.
McCann has been heavily involved with the finalising of any deals this week despite the speculation over his future.
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
So clubs have no choice now but to just let their managers leave if they want to
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
Eh? The club can't refuse an approach for their manager? I've never, ever heard of that being the case and clubs refuse clubs coming in for their managers. That's what contracts are for, surely.
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
So clubs have no choice now but to just let their managers leave if they want to
Presumably what clubs can do is put a prohibitively high compensation price on the manager's head, rather like with players?
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
So clubs have no choice now but to just let their managers leave if they want to
Presumably what clubs can do is put a prohibitively high compensation price on the manager's head, rather like with players?
Go on then £10M and they can have him 😀😀
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
-
If he definitely is interested in Hull then I don't see forcing him to stay at Rovers is sensible. However my mate who is a lifelong city supporter says he doubts they are willing to pay substantial compensation which I hope we would be seeking and he has them as down for the drop next season and he is one of the loyal ones!..anyway SOD had interest/interviews and decided to stay. I doubt that the Alam's would do a good selling job to him and all the parachute money has now ended....we live in hope...
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit
-
f**k sake
-
Hull aren't that big a side if even say they're on par with Barnsley. Then on top of that club seems to be ran poorly.
I honestly think he can win league with us and then bigger and better teams will then come in for him.
-
Let me get this straight, then, SM - what you are saying is the Club are powerless to do anything about it and can't stop the approach from Hull? The DFP report suggests that they will talk to GM before making their next move!
What possible move could that be?
-
Speaking to - is entirely different to leaving.
He could hear what they say and quickly dismiss them. He might want to hear more and then dismiss them. He might want out and take whatever they offer. We have no idea.
I would not blame him for listening what they have to say. Hopefully this can turn out like SOD where this is not prelude to regular departure stories but rather him realising what a good stable gig he has got here.
-
No wonder the signings for today haven’t been confirmed.
-
Why do we need to know what’s going on behind the scenes.? We can’t affect that as supporters.?
As for the approach, that’s all it is. Maybe GM is keeping schtumm until he has been consulted by his employer.?
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
So clubs have no choice now but to just let their managers leave if they want to
I may be wrong but I think that means the club can not prevent a formal approach.?
-
My apologies if that is what SM meant.
Got to say, I am in panic mode now and I didn't think I would be. I think we can move forward no matter which players leave, but not so sure if the manager goes with them...
-
No smoke without fire in my view. If he wasn’t interested we’d have told Hull and they’d have gone away. The fact they’ve made a formal approach that’s been granted by Rovers must mean they’ve had some sort of encouragement that he’s expressed an interest.
-
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/37a374e479a269d06af3628308515721/tenor.gif)
This is what we need. Apologies for the language x
-
2+2=5.?
No it doesn’t mean necessarily that he’s interested.
-
The club and representatives have all week been saying it’s not true yet the bookies had him at 2/7 and the media in Hull were saying different.
Now this comes out it begs the question
-
2+2=5.?
No it doesn’t mean necessarily that he’s interested.
According to the Hull Daily Mail ‘sources’ say he’s interested and that’s encouraged Hull to make the approach.
-
The club and representatives have all week been saying it’s not true yet the bookies had him at 2/7 and the media in Hull were saying different.
Now this comes out it begs the question
The club said they’d not had an approach which they hadn’t until today. It was all rumour
-
I think now is the time for the board to show their worth and reiterate to McCann that he has their full backing and that we always give our managers time to develop and mould their squad even if it is not working initially. This is the exact opposite to sides like Hull who are desperate to find their former glories (Prem) and want instant success and if it doesn't come will sack the manager at the drop of a hat!!
-
They must of had good feedback to make an approach.
Which ever way this goes now we are f**ked, his head has been turned so he may as well go.
-
Key him go we can all muck in
-
The club and representatives have all week been saying it’s not true yet the bookies had him at 2/7 and the media in Hull were saying different.
Now this comes out it begs the question
The club said they’d not had an approach which they hadn’t until today. It was all rumour
Yes, but something has occurred
The rumours have been around for a few days now
-
Whilst it’s disappointing that we may be losing our Manager, I wouldn’t blame him for moving for what is likely to be a significantly higher wage and longer contract. That’s football, as well as human nature.
Let’s face it, Managers under contract are routinely sacked by most clubs and a poor start to the season and Rovers in the bottom 4 at Christmas, he could quite easily be going the same way.
-
This particular story and the way it pans out will speak volumes for football’s real face today and the values of the people in it who set the standards .
-
This particular story and the way it pans out will speak volumes for football’s real face today and the values of the people in it who set the standards .
It's the same as any job. He's a good manager and has been headhunted. Happens in every walk of life.
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit
Unfortunately it's how the current regime treat the fans!
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit
Unfortunately it's how the current regime treat the fans!
What did you want them to say?
-
The club and representatives have all week been saying it’s not true yet the bookies had him at 2/7 and the media in Hull were saying different.
Now this comes out it begs the question
The club said they’d not had an approach which they hadn’t until today. It was all rumour
Yes, but something has occurred
The rumours have been around for a few days now
Yes, rumours which will have come from Hull City. Rumours which were in the Hull Daily Mail. We can’t stop what Hull City are briefing to their local rag.
Unless you think our own club have been putting this out there? Because otherwise, everything our own club has let it be known has been absolutely true in that no approach had been made or would it have been welcome. That Hull City has seemingly made an approach this afternoon is not something our club can control. So all the briefing from our club to the media has been absolutely true - until the approach was officially made.
I have not heard any statement from our own club saying this approach has not been made, so how is this situation in any way suspicious?
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit
Unfortunately it's how the current regime treat the fans!
Why the hell should they say anything in public about what’s going on behind the scenes, until the business is done.??
Personally I prefer the way our club tries to do business.
Sure, as fans some of us would like to know, but we don’t need to know..
-
Until it is confirmed he is leaving nothing has changed. Even GM won't know yet. So what can he say? Just wait.
-
I would have thought Adkins would thoroughly brief him, to the point that if he goes for an interview he's going to take the job, assuming it's offered.
From what is said about Hull City, I don't understand why McCann would go there. Yes it's a league higher, but the owners are not putting money into the club anymore, looking to recoup 50m through selling the club, though there's is talk that they may sell the top three players, pocket that cash, and then sell the club for the shortfall from 50m.
That goes against all the values McCann has spoken to, which should mean he won't take the job if offered.
The move seems to make no sense
-
My gut feeling is he’s going and things have been moving unofficially in the past few days, hence the lack of comment from McCann, and us unavailibility for the press call on Tuesday
Aye. Same as with Andrew. It was days before we heard anything but things had been happening in the background.
Mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed shit
Unfortunately it's how the current regime treat the fans!
Why the hell should they say anything in public about what’s going on behind the scenes, until the business is done.??
Personally I prefer the way out club tries to do business.
Sure, as fans some of us would like to know, but we don’t need to know..
Thing is, they won't say anything when the business IS done either.
Just some pointless generic soundbite, like they are announcing a new supplier of skirting board for their housing business.
-
What exactly do you want them to say.?
If you’re not happy with what they say, go to meet the owners and ask.!
-
What can you do?? If he decides to go and speak to them their isn't much you can do..The club cant be faulted on this one,I would be gutted if he decided to go but that's football,it happens..
To use McCans words, people that don’t want to be here can go
Why so harsh/adversarial towards him? Who says he doesn’t want to be here? He can’t help it that another club has approached us can he?
Judge him on whether he actually goes, not now when it’s just an approach.
-
Why did Adkins leave anyone know?
-
I thought the Club were going to knock it back?
They can't. LMA rules.
So clubs have no choice now but to just let their managers leave if they want to
I may be wrong but I think that means the club can not prevent a formal approach.?
That's exactly what I meant.
-
Thanks SM.!
-
I retract my prior confused response in that case.
I believed the original poster was questioning Rovers accepting or refusing said approach from Hull though, but of course we don't know the outcome of that decision yet.
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
I don't know how it works, can we decline permission, or decline a move? Or can he just go whatever happens and it becomes breach of contract and a legal dispute/ arbitration etc if no deal agreed or does he go pending a settlement?
-
He wouldn't be worth his salt if he wasn't curious about any offer. And other offers will come for him, he's a good manager. He's in a very comfortable position to make them have to pull out all the stops to get him.
I imagine the club would ask for good compensation - how much? In the region of a year's wages would be about right?
-
Don't know what more the club can do here. They hired a manager who was not an obvious candidate to replace Ferguson. He's exceeded expectations leading to a Championship club taking an interest. Our board clearly want to keep him, however know the decision as to whether he goes comes down to Hull City and McCann.
If he goes, I trust the board to negotiate appropriate compensation.
I hope he stays, however if does go then I'm not placing any blame on our club.
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
And to be really clear about this, DRFC have to inform the Manager (at the earliest opportunity) that there has been an official approach made from another professional football club enquiring about his services. If the Manager then decides he wishes to speak with the enquiring club then we can't stop him from doing so. Nor can we refuse to allow him to leave if he wishes to take up that appointment.
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
And to be really clear about this, DRFC have to inform the Manager (at the earliest opportunity) that there has been an official approach made from another professional football club enquiring about his services. If the Manager then decides he wishes to speak with the enquiring club then we can't stop him from doing so. Nor can we refuse to allow him to leave if he wishes to take up that appointment.
Will the compensation go to arbitration if the 2 clubs can't agree a fee.
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
And to be really clear about this, DRFC have to inform the Manager (at the earliest opportunity) that there has been an official approach made from another professional football club enquiring about his services. If the Manager then decides he wishes to speak with the enquiring club then we can't stop him from doing so. Nor can we refuse to allow him to leave if he wishes to take up that appointment.
Didn't know that! How would compensation be agreed; presumably stipulated in McCann's contract?
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
And to be really clear about this, DRFC have to inform the Manager (at the earliest opportunity) that there has been an official approach made from another professional football club enquiring about his services. If the Manager then decides he wishes to speak with the enquiring club then we can't stop him from doing so. Nor can we refuse to allow him to leave if he wishes to take up that appointment.
Will the compensation go to arbitration if the 2 clubs can't agree a fee.
I don't believe so. There are guidelines for compensation, usually 12 months salary.
-
There are examples of clubs that have refused permission to speak to their manager
-
There are examples of clubs that have refused permission to speak to their manager
Go on then, show me.
I was quoting pretty much from the rule as written.
-
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/aberdeen-refuse-rangers-permission-talk-manager-derek-mcinnes/
-
I think SM's response to that is going to be that it happened in Scotland...
-
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/league-two-news-mansfield-town-13047409.amp
-
https://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-refuse-burnley-permission-over-paul-lambert-talks-1-768648
-
So there are examples of clubs refusing permission, but once a manager states he wants to speak with said club then it seems as though the club then let’s them.
Swansea refused permission to Brighton tonspeak with potter only this summer but potter then said he wanted permission to go.
-
In the past. I think the rules have changed have they not?
-
That’s not entirely true
We have to tell McCann they’ve made an approach but we can decline permission for them to speak with him
Nope, you're wrong....... again.
And to be really clear about this, DRFC have to inform the Manager (at the earliest opportunity) that there has been an official approach made from another professional football club enquiring about his services. If the Manager then decides he wishes to speak with the enquiring club then we can't stop him from doing so. Nor can we refuse to allow him to leave if he wishes to take up that appointment.
How does club compensation fit in? It's an essential part of any move, so can the club can say its not enough, or what?
-
In the past. I think the rules have changed have they not?
May have done but potter was only this summer
-
Spoke about official approach for GM. Also said our club will do it’s best to keep him
-
It's simple . If he wants to go then he will. He has had a great year at the club and we should wish him well. Not sure many posters on here would turn down a possible promotion as well as a higher salary. The king is dead - long live the king !
-
He'd be daft to go. They're nutters in charge there.
-
He'd be daft to go. They're nutters in charge there.
True, they are, but a manager’s stock can rise even more if they do a good job under tricky circumstances. Just as it did with Adkins, Garry Monk at Birmingham another example.
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
Unfortunatley you are right.
This comes down to McCanns morales, if he is a man of his word he will stay if he doesn't then i'd rather him not be here anyway.
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
normally I would agree with that but I presume there fans are right that he is trying to sell the club if that’s the case if new owners come in unless your challenging for promotion they bring there own guy with them, so hull for me would not be a good option this time
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
The issue is Hull City, though in the Championship, are a club with real issues. It’s difficult to see how they could possibly be more attractive than Rovers.
-
After this his name is well and truly out there now. Another good season here and he gets a much better job than Hull City!
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
The issue is Hull City, though in the Championship, are a club with real issues. It’s difficult to see how they could possibly be more attractive than Rovers.
If Grant decides to talk to them it’s his choice our opinions don’t count. What we think Hull is irrelevant.
-
This particular story and the way it pans out will speak volumes for football’s real face today and the values of the people in it who set the standards .
It's the same as any job. He's a good manager and has been headhunted. Happens in every walk of life.
That response is of course based on personal life experience to date which does not at all correspond to my own though no doubt I have several decades start.
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
-
Let’s take our Rovers tinted glasses off, if you’re playing Championship manager and managing say Peterborough and Hull City come in for you, you go! And that’s without a real life remuneration package.
The issue is Hull City, though in the Championship, are a club with real issues. It’s difficult to see how they could possibly be more attractive than Rovers.
If Grant decides to talk to them it’s his choice our opinions don’t count. What we think Hull is irrelevant.
Well...yes but that’s not the point I’m responding to. The post suggested that you’d automatically go to Hull as they’re a ‘bigger’ club. Though there’s seems to be more reasons not to go than reasons to go on the face of it.
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
Hull mail have been the ones breaking this story and everything they have said to date has been accurate. They say in todays release that McCann is interested and Hull think the deal will be done by the weekend.
-
Have to see what happens, squeaky bum time indeed..
One thing I will say though... there was a Doncaster rovers before Grant McCann and there will be one after him too.
If he wants to stay here, brilliant. If not then good luck to him and thanks for last season. The same goes for any players who think they can get/do better.
-
Why did Adkins leave anyone know?
I believe it was over the budget. He was happy with the package offered to him, just not the budget made available.
-
Why did Adkins leave anyone know?
I believe it was over the budget. He was happy with the package offered to him, just not the budget made available.
If true, you can plausibly see why they would want McCann and McCann might want to go there. He's done relatively well on a small budget (even refused to spend transfer money if reports are true), and realistically (even in a bad financial state) Hull could offer him a much higher salary than we could.
Very hard for a fella with kids to turn that down.
-
Why did Adkins leave anyone know?
I believe it was over the budget. He was happy with the package offered to him, just not the budget made available.
Well that rules out adkins coming here then
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
Do we know McCann has made a decision?
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
If that’s the case what is the point of having a contract. Not worth the paper they are written on.
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
If that’s the case what is the point of having a contract. Not worth the paper they are written on.
I’m guessing the contract means we get some sort of compensation
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
Aberdeen released an offficial statement saying they were refusing rangers permission.
The articles also had quotes from officials at the clubs.
The Hull article didn’t.
-
The clue is in the title. Hull have made an official approach.
That’s all it is. Doesn’t mean the Club will agree to GM having talks nor does it mean GM wants to have talks with Hull.
Don’t panic yet folks.
SM says we can’t stop him having talks if he wants them.
I’ve showed examples of clubs that have refused permission but as someone said the rules may have changed
Well you haven't really. What you've shown is a media response to talk about a manager being approached. Much the same as our media responded by saying they would rebuff any approach from Hull.
The truth is, under LMA rules you can't refuse permission. It's there in black and white. If a club makes an official approach you have to tell the manager, it's then his choice whether to attend for an interview or not. Clubs can't stop him.
Aberdeen released an offficial statement saying they were refusing rangers permission.
The articles also had quotes from officials at the clubs.
The Hull article didn’t.
The LMA rules as written apply to the EFL.
Just read the rule book, its dead simple. As much as people say they're going to refuse permission they can't. End of.
-
Reports on the Hull side are saying compensation will be ‘much less’ than the 500k they would have needed to pay Lincoln for Cowley.
Not saying thats true, just regurgitating what Ive seen.
-
But there’s also been examples of a club refusing a manager permission and then the manager has just resigned and gone to said club anyway.
Anyhow it doesn’t really matter, if he wants to stay he’ll stay.
Suppose us as fans should have the same mindset as he has had with the players.
We only want people here who want to be
-
But there’s also been examples of a club refusing a manager permission and then the manager has just resigned and gone to said club anyway.
Anyhow it doesn’t really matter, if he wants to stay he’ll stay.
Suppose us as fans should have the same mindset as he has had with the players.
We only want people here who want to be
The rules as written say you can't. Break the rule and the club has penalties, such as transfer embargo's etc. Therefore, despite the local media saying we would refuse permission, DRFC can't.
-
Why did Adkins leave anyone know?
I believe it was over the budget. He was happy with the package offered to him, just not the budget made available.
If true, you can plausibly see why they would want McCann and McCann might want to go there. He's done relatively well on a small budget (even refused to spend transfer money if reports are true), and realistically (even in a bad financial state) Hull could offer him a much higher salary than we could.
Very hard for a fella with kids to turn that down.
Aye but he could be out of a job in 6 months.
The odds that a league manager will lose their job during a season are roughly 1 in 2. Horrendous. And GM is still horribly inexperienced as a manager.
While it might be flattering, If I were him I'd think very carefully about any offer.
-
How long is McCann's contract with the Rovers? For any compensation to be awarded/agreed surely that would be dependable on the length of the contract or is my interpretation too simplistic?
-
Isn't it a 12 month rolling contract like DF had?
-
Isn't it a 12 month rolling contract like DF had?
Yeah so if it's the same time period as footballers are then he has about a week left on his current contract.
-
Isn't it a 12 month rolling contract like DF had?
Yeah so if it's the same time period as footballers are then he has about a week left on his current contract.
No, it's a rolling contract, therefore it always has 12 months to run.
-
A rolling 12 month contract means that at any given point of time, there is always 12 months left. It effectively means that the manager will always get 12 months pay if sacked, and the club will always get 12 months pay-equivalent as compensation is the manager walks (as minimum).
-
Well, let's hope this is concluded one way or another tomorrow. I would imagine McCann will be sleeping with alot of thoughts going through his head. Grass is not always greener but the man's ambition may be strong!
-
People saying cliff Byrne should be promoted if grant leaves. What’s wrong with succession planning? Many top businesses around the world operate on this basis. Many positives to this approach I think
-
Are we expecting an announcement today from either GM Rovers or Hull
-
I think we'll know the sitch today. McCann met with our board last night, so they'll now know what his stance is. If he stays, we'll hear about it today. If not I'm sure we'll hear that talks with Hull have begun/been finalised.
-
Are we expecting an announcement today from either GM Rovers or Hull
Unless the board of either DRFC or Hull post on here, I don’t think anyone can honestly answer that.
-
Are we expecting an announcement today from either GM Rovers or Hull
I would have thought we will know either way by the end of tomorrow.
-
Not sure why he’d really go to hull. We all know it’s an absolute car crash of a club. Long term, he’d possibly be better staying, try to get us promoted and have his stock rise that way. That’s when the serious jobs in the championship might come calling
-
Odds now 1.05. He’s gone.
-
Odds now 1.05. He’s gone.
Christ - stop wetting yourself man.... nothings happened
-
Odds now 1.05. He’s gone.
Christ - stop wetting yourself man.... nothings happened
Odds don’t drop that’s low if nothing’s happened.
-
GM knew before the Hull City interest that his position here was secure even on a bad run. Compare that to the prospects at Hull. I'm sure that the meeting with the board last night will have mentioned this security and also the possibility of a better contract or a success related bonus.
Should GM relish the Hull challenge and see it as a step up then there is nothing anyone at DRFC can do.
-
Odds now 1.05. He’s gone.
Christ - stop wetting yourself man.... nothings happened
Odds don’t drop that’s low if nothing’s happened.
Maybe more folks have placed bets thinking this will happen.? Without any actual further knowledge.?
-
if/when he leaves, I would go with broadly the same process that Hull have done to find McCann. A manger a little bit lower than the position/stature of the club (think top end of league two, lower end league one equivalent for us) that's reportedly doing well on a moderate budget, and crucially that has a list of players ready who want to work with him, or could be targets if he's given a little bit more money than hes currently got.
I wouldn't bother with any of these on the managerial merri-go-round, and I wouldn't bother interviewing around extensively.
-
if/when he leaves, I would go with broadly the same process that Hull have done to find McCann. A manger a little bit lower than the position/stature of the club (think top end of league two, lower end league one equivalent for us) that's reportedly doing well on a moderate budget, and crucially that has a list of players ready who want to work with him, or could be targets if he's given a little bit more money than hes currently got.
I wouldn't bother with any of these on the managerial merri-go-round, and I wouldn't bother interviewing around extensively.
Agree. None of the Merry go round managers just looking for a pay packet.
-
Odds now 1.05. He’s gone.
Christ - stop wetting yourself man.... nothings happened
Odds don’t drop that’s low if nothing’s happened.
Maybe more folks have placed bets thinking this will happen.? Without any actual further knowledge.?
Nobody will be putting money on at those prices
-
To be honest I’m at the point now that I don’t care if he goes - would prefer he didn’t but that’s football for you..
The bigger issue is to sort the managerial situation quickly, be that GM or anyone else.
-
I’m with you IDM. No point fretting about what we can’t control.
-
If there's an alternative manager who can play attacking football and develop young players that's fine, it's just gonna be looking for a needle in a pile of hoofball.
-
BBC Humberside Sport
@HumbersideSport
Latest on Grant McCann, sources describe situation as ‘ongoing’ and no confirmation yet. #HCAFC
(it sounds like they are dotting the i's and crossing the T's)
-
BBC Humberside Sport
@HumbersideSport
Latest on Grant McCann, sources describe situation as ‘ongoing’ and no confirmation yet. #HCAFC
(it sounds like they are dotting the i's and crossing the T's)
Must admit that it does seem like a formality now. It's a shame, but provides us with an opportunity to bring in someone new who now has plenty of spaces to fill with his own players.
-
Weird football isn't it? Who'd have thought McCann's last act would be to sign a lad called Badger Gomes from a Croatian side.
-
"ongoing" could just mean that they haven't heard back from their approach yet.
-
You honestly think that, given that we've learned the club is obliged to let McCann talk to Hull under LMA rules, that McCann has just not responded?
-
Just because they have approached him does not mean he will leave, he might not like what they have to say as if they sell the club in 2 month he could be out of a job , also people always go for interviews and offered jobs it does not mean you always take the offer
-
You honestly think that, given that we've learned the club is obliged to let McCann talk to Hull under LMA rules, that McCann has just not responded?
I honestly believe it could mean that, yes. It could also mean he's about to sign for them, but we really just don't know. I like him as our manager, if he stays I think we will be in a much stronger place than if he leaves, but I'm just keeping things in perspective.
-
There is no way McCann is just off somewhere with his fingers in his ears. He will have responded by now and the fact we have heard nothing today means it is reasonable to conclude that he is at the very least talking to Hull now about moving there.
-
Rob Staton from Radio Sheff says on Twitter that the move is "close". I fully expect to see him holding a Hull shirt by 5pm today.
-
Rob Staton from Radio Sheff says on Twitter that the move is "close". I fully expect to see him holding a Hull shirt by 5pm today.
Grant McCann to Hull City is 'close' according to sources. Appears that City have got their man. #HCAFC #DRFC
-
Halliday, James and Gomes must be wondering what they've done.
-
Rob Staton from Radio Sheff says on Twitter that the move is "close". I fully expect to see him holding a Hull shirt by 5pm today.
Grant McCann to Hull City is 'close' according to sources. Appears that City have got their man. #HCAFC #DRFC
The "source" could well be this thread! ;)
-
Like I said yesterday the Hull friendly might not be so friendly
-
Were they out of contract.? They’ll be happy they’ve got a job.!!
-
looks like he needs to buy his kids some new shirts after parading them on holiday in rovers tops on twitter.
i'm genuinely board of this. he's gone as far as i'm concerned its a case of Grant who???????????
lets talk about who we would like to get in his place in stead and hope the club will move quickly to resolve
-
Halliday, James and Gomes must be wondering what they've done.
Halliday, James and Gomes must be wondering what they've done.
I don't see why. Halliday has stepped up a league, James has moved for first team football and based on his last year Gomes will be grateful to be employed. They are grown men, they have never worked for McCann before anyway and will know we will appoint someone up for the job to replace him.
-
Rob Staton former BBC radio Sheffield presenter now Sports Editor at Humberside saying it's close from happening
-
Were they out of contract.? They’ll be happy they’ve got a job.!!
Halliday chose us over a number of options and James had just extended his contract with Sunderland hence why we had to pay them a fee
-
Don’t take this as gospel
A Hull fan (who claims to be in the know) has just told me that it’s all done bar a few minor aspects of the contract.
He also says that City fans can’t believe it either...
-
Like I said yesterday the Hull friendly might not be so friendly
I’m pretty sure that would be cancelled
-
Like I said yesterday the Hull friendly might not be so friendly
I’m pretty sure that would be cancelled
Really??? I doubt many people will care when it's settled down.
-
I just think it will be, have to wait and see
-
Wonder if we might see
Kane, wilks, Middleton signing for hull, maybe even bids for whiteman,
-
Wonder if we might see
Kane, wilks, Middleton signing for hull, maybe even bids for whiteman,
2 out of the first 3 are almost dead certs, and I think that's one of the reasons hes in line for the job.
-
Hull Daily Mail is now saying its "pretty much there" that McCann is the new manager.
-
It would leave an even bigger bad taste in the mouth if he signed players that were coming here.
They were replacements for players he’s let leave
-
Wonder if we might see
Kane, wilks, Middleton signing for hull, maybe even bids for whiteman,
2 out of the first 3 are almost dead certs, and I think that's one of the reasons hes in line for the job.
Hull city have no money to sign players (is what I've been told by bitter fans who don't want McCann)
-
1.01 on Sky Bet now.
Game over.
-
As a working man, and soon to be a parent, I can’t blame him for the interest. If I could move to hull and do the same job I do now for double or triple the money I would be gone the same day, wouldn’t even work my notice.
As a fan, I will be absolutely furious if he’s let a good number of players leave and then left himself, and he will never have my respect ever again, not that I imagine he’ll much care!
Strange old set up being a football fan.
-
Wonder if we might see
Kane, wilks, Middleton signing for hull, maybe even bids for whiteman,
2 out of the first 3 are almost dead certs, and I think that's one of the reasons hes in line for the job.
Hull city have no money to sign players (is what I've been told by bitter fans who don't want McCann)
They might have 'no money' but its all very relative. It's just a fact that championship clubs have a much higher income due to the solidarity payments and the like compared to someone like us. So they have much higher income than us.
And he can get those three on loans.
-
Hope we’ve insisted on cash payment forthe compo from those dodgy t**ts
-
Hope we’ve insisted on cash payment forthe compo from those dodgy t**ts
Interesting that the Hull press stated Lincoln wanted half a million for their manager. I'm guessing we don't get a tenth of that for Mccann.
-
Announcement incoming.....
-
f**k em.
-
f**k em.
em or im?
-
Announcement incoming.....
Don’t forget to post on here who the next manager will be, eh.?
-
Announcement incoming.....
Don’t forget to post on here who the next manager will be, eh.?
Not sure if it’s jealousy or what but it’s tedious
-
IDM v RedArmy82 is fast becoming the new Dickos v CBCB en vogue feud of Viking Chat.
-
Announcement incoming.....
Don’t forget to post on here who the next manager will be, eh.?
Give it a rest IDM jeez. I don't care where he gets his info from but he's the only one that's kept us informed and upto date with shizzle
-
Correct
-
Announcement incoming.....
What our new manager that would be brilliant
-
Ok maybe stretching the point a bit here..
The ITK thing is annoying however, regardless..
What’s now important is what happens next.
-
redarmy82 clearly knows someone/something. Give him a break, he's hardly been wrong has he haha.
-
He’s said lots of things that have come true the only thing that didn’t is no more signings so that means his informant is questionable 😂
-
Ok maybe stretching the point a bit here..
The ITK thing is annoying however, regardless..
What’s now important is what happens next.
I agree, can we draw a line.
I've no info on the new manager, or any names. It's a shame it has come to this, we just have to get the next bit right.
-
He’s said lots of things that have come true the only thing that didn’t is no more signings so that means his informant is questionable 😂
I think it may have been more in relation to the lad from Rangers. But anyway, ti is what it is.
-
Announcement incoming.....
Don’t forget to post on here who the next manager will be, eh.?
Not sure if it’s jealousy or what but it’s tedious
Nope, just find it annoying.. my new manager info comment was just a quip.
Never mind, the point was made.
-
I’d like our board to use thesame words McCann used about our departing players
“We don’t want anyone here who is not 100% commited to the club, he was an average manager when he came here, we made him better, buthe’s gone chasing the money, we can and will get better in”
😂😂😂😂
-
It will be more like we didn’t want to stand in his way, we now begin the search for the new manager. And will have someone in place for the new season
-
I bet we've let him go for peanuts as well.
-
Is he on a 1 year rolling contract? If so Hull won't have to pay much....
-
My guess is, there will be some sort of value in his contract required to be paid, to break it. To be honest I don’t care what that is in £, the concern is to get a new man in, and quickly..
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegates them.
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegated them.
If he fails there (and he will) then he's going to look really stupid, and will struggle to get another decent gig.
-
Is he on a 1 year rolling contract? If so Hull won't have to pay much....
A years salary
-
I'm definitely ITK. Apparently we should have aimed higher than McCann. In fact I've just used this site's excellent search facility to look at what folk on here were saying a year ago about the appointment of our (still) current manager. Does underwhelmed ring a bell? Or cheap option?
The really interesting thing to do is search out what individual posters are saying now against what they said then. Fascinating stuff.
Perhaps a little patience is in order. And whatever happens the club will survive. What is posted on here has had and will have an influence on judgements and morale of staff be they management or players, current and future.
I also looked on Sunderlands board regarding a certain goalscorer. They are making it clear to their board they don't want him under any circumstance, based on, yep, you've guessed, Rovers fans opinions.
Shout me down by all means but clubs carry out due diligence. Don't think supporters opinions are not part of it.
And for a candid view of our manager? He's gone missing in the big games. His record against stronger clubs leaves much to be desired. I had/ still hoped he would learn and come good, with us, as well he may, but dont forget this is League One. Will he cope in the Championship against better funded, much stronger teams?
As a young, ambitious manager I suspect he might risk all and go for it. After all, if he flops next season with us then his chance may have gone forever. If he flops with Hull there's a decent pay-off, sympathy for having tried against the odds and no doubt plenty of lower ELF opportunities.
I havd to say though, for a cheap option he's done us proud this past 11.5 months. If he can repeat that with a truly basket case of a club then he's made for life.
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegated them.
If he fails there (and he will) then he's going to look really stupid, and will struggle to get another decent gig.
There’s always a job at Talksport for failed managers 😂😂
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegates them.
Agree totally with this....
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegated them.
If he fails there (and he will) then he's going to look really stupid, and will struggle to get another decent gig.
There’s always a job at Talksport for failed managers 😂😂
Having to listen to Dean Saunders and Alan Brazil every morning would be more than karmic punishment enough for leaving us.
-
How many of our past managers starting with Dave penny have actually succeeded else where after they have left us , either after being sacked or head hunted . I can't think of one.
-
How many of our past managers starting with Dave penny have actually succeeded after they have left us , either after being sacked or head hunted . I can't think of one.
You don't even need to start with Penney I suppose...who was the last manager to achieve success after leaving Rovers? Billy Bremner!?
-
Have had time for this to sink in and to be totally honest it still hasn’t.
Feeling like we’ve all been let down by him. To let key players go due to his contract offers and decisions then piss off I think is completely out of order.
And then all the bullshit about loyalty and wanting to be here, then bugger off himself at the first opportunity to let’s face it, a mediocre championship job. He now looks like a complete d**khead in my eyes.
Sorry to be childish but I hope he relegates them.
I wouldn't call Butler, Rowe, Andrew or Marosi key players. The main key players were Kane & Wilks who were always going to a higher club and Marquis & Whiteman who are still here and under contract and of course Copps who was never going anywhere!!
-
How many of our past managers starting with Dave penny have actually succeeded after they have left us , either after being sacked or head hunted . I can't think of one.
You don't even need to start with Penney I suppose...who was the last manager to achieve success after leaving Rovers? Billy Bremner!?
Bremner was sacked by Leeds
McMenemy was probably the last oneto succeed after leaving us
-
What about Joe Kinnear?
-
What about Joe Kinnear?
What about him?
Whatwas his success?
-
How many of our past managers starting with Dave penny have actually succeeded after they have left us , either after being sacked or head hunted . I can't think of one.
You don't even need to start with Penney I suppose...who was the last manager to achieve success after leaving Rovers? Billy Bremner!?
Bremner was sacked by Leeds
McMenemy was probably the last oneto succeed after leaving us
Yep; Grimsby and Southampton.
-
What about Joe Kinnear?
What about him?
Whatwas his success?
Didn't he get success with Wimbledon?
-
What about Joe Kinnear?
What about him?
Whatwas his success?
Didn't he get success with Wimbledon?
Never won anything with Wimbledon
-
Leading them to 6th place in the Premiership is no mean feat.
-
If it all goes wrong for GM and the deal falls through at Dull, would he be welcomed back at the KMS?
COYR
-
If it all goes wrong for GM and the deal falls through at Dull, would he be welcomed back at the KMS?
COYR
Certainly wouldn't be the same, it's kinda like been cheated on.
-
Hoden confirmed announcement is imminent
-
No announcement has been made so we don’t know anything yet. Your all talking like he has gone already.
They might interview 3 or more people before a decision is made.
He might decide DRFC’s grass is greener and not want the job.
WE DON’T KNOW DO WE.
AS usual gossip gossip that’s all it is.
Put the cricket on TV it’s much more interesting.
ENGLAND are in trouble!
-
Hoden confirmed announcement is imminent
I've had it confirmed that an announcement is imminent. Think everyone knows which way this has gone #drfc #hcafc
-
According to Hull Daily Mail Twitter, GM has now agreed to join Hull.
-
Hull Journo
James Smailes
@James_Smailes
·
13m
Hearing Grant McCann has now accepted Hull City position.
-
Hope he fails miserably, esp3cially after all he’s said about the players and loyalty
-
Traitor
-
Proper shithouse
-
Never teally forgave him for getting Oster sent off at Glanford Park
-
If he'd have been in a bad job, or had left after two years I'd have respect for him. Leaving after a year, mid project, is poor show.
-
Grant McCann
He's not our man
A real Hipocrypt
Jump our ship as soon as he can!
:whistle:
-
Judas!
-
Hull Journo
James Smailes
@James_Smailes
·
13m
Hearing Grant McCann has now accepted Hull City position.
Sounds like some low rent sexual encounter.
-
Never teally forgave him for getting Oster sent off at Glanford Park
Haha. Good memory!
-
If he'd have been in a bad job, or had left after two years I'd have respect for him. Leaving after a year, mid project, is poor show.
It's the fact he's built half a team, let loads leave to build his team, then go on about loyalty and only wanting players here who want to be here that pisses me off. If he wasn't fussed about being here he should have left after the Charlton game and let someone else build their own team. Now we'll lose a couple of week bringing someone in who will have to evaluate the team and who's targets might have already joined other teams. He's had one good season with us but has ended up looking like a bit of a bellend and a hypocrite at the end of it.
-
Never teally forgave him for getting Oster sent off at Glanford Park
Haha. Good memory!
He scored a penalty in the same game as well, and Cliff Byrne scored and got Quinton Fortune sent of, the pair of turncoat t**ts
-
To be fair that Fortune tackle was horrendous. Bruce Lee would've been proud of that one.
-
His mind was making promises his body couldn't keep any more.
Tackle was that late he made contact the day after.
-
The friendly against Hull at the end of July will be interesting...
-
The friendly against Hull at the end of July will be interesting...
Hopefully everyone turns out for this and gives the Kitson some stick for 90 minutes
-
According to widespread reports McCann has agreed the job but the bookies are still taking bets? I’m not convinced it’s a done deal.
My sky bet is allowing me to place bets on the market and McCann is still favourite. Can anyone else confirm if they can access the manager market for Hull?
-
Hull Journo
James Smailes
@James_Smailes
·
13m
Hearing Grant McCann has now accepted Hull City position.
Bigamist! McCann is the new Peter Barlow!
-
Rob Staton has tweeted that it's a done deal.
-
Judas CU*T
-
According to widespread reports McCann has agreed the job but the bookies are still taking bets? I’m not convinced it’s a done deal.
My sky bet is allowing me to place bets on the market and McCann is still favourite. Can anyone else confirm if they can access the manager market for Hull?
Can still do it now wish I had some money in my account as I never win I could have bet on it earlier and we could have put an end to this
-
What is disconcerting is signing players who will never play for him.
Perhaps just a case of bad timing, but it leaves a sour taste. The pre season game will be interesting.
-
I wish him no personal or physical harm but I do hope he gets dogs abuse even at a pre season game, would not be surprised one bit to see it cancelled