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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: silent majority on June 22, 2019, 12:10:49 pm
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I'm so glad I was travelling on business for most of yesterday, I'm not sure that the meltdown on the forum would have been easy to take if I'd been closer to it.
However, the club were in touch throughout the day informing me of the process and the state of play, for which I was grateful.
I expressed my opinion at length about Grant, and questioned the logic behind his move much the same way you've all done on here. But it was refreshing to hear that the club although disappointed, were not distraught, nor overwhelmed with the task they now find themselves with. In fact they felt the opposite. They see this as an opportunity to drive the club forward again, to re-look at the manager situation and make that constant improvement which has been a feature of this club for some time. We have been inundated with applications for the vacant post already, well before the advert going out. That shows people want to come to us, they're seeking us out, and there are positive reasons for that.
Despite the negativity that some posters on here delight in expressing, there's very little accuracy or logic with some of the points they make. I notice that some want to sack the board for example. This board, which has given us about 10 years of good times, provided the stability and financial strength to survive in times that are not easy for football clubs. This board who are the envy of just about any other football club, this board who chose the recent manager who gave us this last successful season. Yet the logic seems to be that they 'are not football people' and they don't know what they're doing. If this is an example of people who don't know what they're doing then can we have a lot more of this please??
This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
This board chose well the last time, they followed their process, they eliminated the managers that didn't fit and picked someone who was underwhelming for the most seasoned DRFC supporters. I trusted them then, and I'll trust them again.
I know people are feeling bitter, but that's not our way is it? I think we should adopt the philosophy shown by Jamie Coppinger in his tweet that said 'To the players and fans of @drfc_official its important we do what we always do,stick together, work hard and prove the doubters wrong...AGAIN!'.
My thoughts entirely.
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Very good and reasoned post. People need to stick their heads up and look at the long-term fundamentals, not one short-term managerial change. That McCann has left is not the end of the club. As John Ryan said about Paul Green - Grant McCann did not make Doncaster Rovers, Doncaster Rovers made Grant McCann. Chin up!
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This is not a criticism, and I don’t ask this in a loaded way whatsoever - but does this mean that we wouldn’t approach a manager who is already in work at all?
Say, for example, if a former midfielder managing in the South West was to apply for the job, would it not be considered?
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Thanks SM for the post.
Stick together and move forward, I too see an opportunity to move the club even further forward.
In the depths of despair last year when many said relegation, I said top 6 and Whiteman can easily play the defensive role.
Next year with 3 or 4 added and replacement/s for Marquis we could be in a much stronger position squad wise again.
Marquis cost us nothing so same again we may not have to spend a fortune to get the same again.
Get the right leader on, of which this board I trust will, then we are in for a great season.
RTID
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Good post. I think the overall majority of the negativity is at Grant for his loyalty comments then pissing off and leaving us with 12/13 first teamers. He's left us in a mess. The only negativity about the board would be the length of time the interview process will take, as the window isn't open forever and any targets a new man would want could end up going to other clubs.
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This is not a criticism, and I don’t ask this in a loaded way whatsoever - but does this mean that we wouldn’t approach a manager who is already in work at all?
Say, for example, if a former midfielder managing in the South West was to apply for the job, would it not be considered?
I don't know the answer to that, but what I do know is that in all our dealings with other football clubs we like to do it the right way. Look at examples like buying Alfie May, his parent club praised DRFC for the way we participated in the negotiations. It's in our DNA.
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Martin, can you comment on the loans that were apparently already agreed?
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Good post. I think the overall majority of the negativity is at Grant for his loyalty comments then pissing off and leaving us with 12/13 first teamers. He's left us in a mess. The only negativity about the board would be the length of time the interview process will take, as the window isn't open forever and any targets a new man would want could end up going to other clubs.
Thanks DO, but as I mentioned we have been overrun with applications already. That will take some sifting through, breaking down, and then organising interviews and carrying out due diligence. As a process we should be done and dusted early July. 8th/9th/10th I would assume.
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Martin, can you comment on the loans that were apparently already agreed?
As far as I'm aware everything is still in place. But this is football, and managers do like to have their own contacts and players. I would assume the new manager will have a list of players he likes, much like Grant did when he came here.
But our profile amongst Premiership clubs is good, I can't see that being any different.
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Great post SM. Thank you
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Who will be taking them to La Manga? Paul Gerrard?
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Who will be taking them to La Manga? Paul Gerrard?
Yes, I believe so. Pre-season is carrying on as you'd expect.
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I would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words.
To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly.
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I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals.
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Thanks SM.. could you give any feedback on the chats you had re Grant and the logic behind his subsequent move?
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Folk before they self-combust over the recruitment strategy for the new manager might ponder the difference between approaching a manager currently in a job, and a manager currently in a job applying to be our manager. Two different scenarios entirely.
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This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
That's essentially what most player transfers are though. Players in work, poaching talent off clubs you can outcompete financially. That IS the game (whether we like it or not), and if you don't play the game you are simply going to put yourself at a disadvantage.
It's nice to be respected for the right things but losing respect because you've 'poached' a talented manager is not something we should be intrinsically worried about. As others have highlighted in recent posts, it depends heavily on a case by case basis. If SO'D had left us for a bigger club having gained promotion and establishing us in the championship no one would have begrudged him moving. McCann left after only just starting, and talking up, his project. Its two different scenarios.
I think we disadvantage ourselves if we rule out not targeting managers in work. There definitely are advantages to that type of thing, such as the manager already having a network of players/targets.
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Thanks for the update SM.
ehilst I know the board will always act in the best interests of the club, I think its only natural people will worry that there is precious little time to waste here.
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Also, if the outline timetable described above is followed, that gives the new guy a full month before the first game of the season, including a number of pre-season friendlies. Clearly there does need to be some recruitment but also please consider how many clubs lose their managers mid-season and have to appoint someone on a much shorter timescale, with the transfer window closed and without any practice games to get up to speed with his squad. We are actually in quite a privileged position compared to that common situation.
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Excellent post SM
I can only see that the DRFC reputation in the footballing world is enhanced by recent events.
Given how the club have conducted their business over the last few years we must be an attractive proposition for potential managers - we've shown loyalty when things have been a bit rocky aka DF and relegation from L1 - and given backing to managers who want to progress in the game - GM of course. Clearly the intent is to move the club forward.
Everyone is replaceable and GM is no exception - we now have an opportunity to look to the future in a positive way knowing the club are going about their business in a way that many of us want them to - with the aspiration of progressing the footballing side on all fronts.
As a parting shot I hope GM does well at his new club - if he does then it will surely mean the club chose wisely last time out.
Onwards and upwards.
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I would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words.
To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly.
There were certain bits to the Hull thing that didn't quite fit right. When the Hull media started posting, on Wednesday, that GM was interested in the job and that discussions were taking place that wasn't correct. I had spoken to the club because of those same media reports, and nothing official had been received at that point, as I posted on here. So, we can only guess at what had happened prior to that point in time.
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I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals.
I think you're very much mistaken. Dwindling as a club? I'm not sure what you mean by that but the accounts show a completely different picture to that.
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This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
That's essentially what most player transfers are though. Players in work, poaching talent off clubs you can outcompete financially. That IS the game (whether we like it or not), and if you don't play the game you are simply going to put yourself at a disadvantage.
It's nice to be respected for the right things but losing respect because you've 'poached' a talented manager is not something we should be intrinsically worried about. As others have highlighted in recent posts, it depends heavily on a case by case basis. If SO'D had left us for a bigger club having gained promotion and establishing us in the championship no one would have begrudged him moving. McCann left after only just starting, and talking up, his project. Its two different scenarios.
I think we disadvantage ourselves if we rule out not targeting managers in work. There definitely are advantages to that type of thing, such as the manager already having a network of players/targets.
And if we hadn’t have headhunted sod we would’ve missed out on the greatest manager in our modern history
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Thanks SM.. could you give any feedback on the chats you had re Grant and the logic behind his subsequent move?
There's not a lot more to it than what we've all speculated on here. It's ambition from a manager, pure and simple.
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SM,
I said quite early on that I thought McCann had been tapped up now if we can prove that is the case could we not take legal action against both parties?
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I would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words.
To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly.
There were certain bits to the Hull thing that didn't quite fit right. When the Hull media started posting, on Wednesday, that GM was interested in the job and that discussions were taking place that wasn't correct. I had spoken to the club because of those same media reports, and nothing official had been received at that point, as I posted on here. So, we can only guess at what had happened prior to that point in time.
I get the feeling Hull had sounded out McCan through his agent, we’ll never know for sure, I know it was dreessed up in the media that he was too busy on Tuesdayto take the press call because he was tying up new players, but that does n’t fit what eventually happened regarding the new players that came in this week
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This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
That's essentially what most player transfers are though. Players in work, poaching talent off clubs you can outcompete financially. That IS the game (whether we like it or not), and if you don't play the game you are simply going to put yourself at a disadvantage.
It's nice to be respected for the right things but losing respect because you've 'poached' a talented manager is not something we should be intrinsically worried about. As others have highlighted in recent posts, it depends heavily on a case by case basis. If SO'D had left us for a bigger club having gained promotion and establishing us in the championship no one would have begrudged him moving. McCann left after only just starting, and talking up, his project. Its two different scenarios.
I think we disadvantage ourselves if we rule out not targeting managers in work. There definitely are advantages to that type of thing, such as the manager already having a network of players/targets.
We, DRFC, keep a close eye on Managers in work, as well as those that aren't. Between Gavin and myself we'll always exchange opinions on certain individuals when the subject crops up, as do most fans when discussing football in general.
But I always remember Gavin pointing me in the direction of a certain Graham Potter many years ago, long before he'd come to the attention of any UK based media. We're certainly not naive in that regard.
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SM,
I said quite early on that I thought McCann had been tapped up now if we can prove that is the case could we not take legal action against both parties?
What would that achieve?
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I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals.
I think you're very much mistaken. Dwindling as a club? I'm not sure what you mean by that but the accounts show a completely different picture to that.
Of course the finances are in a good place, but if we turn this into a numbers game, we may risk being too cautious to the point where we start to lose support, again I'm in no way criticizing the board or being negative, playing devils advocate.
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I would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words.
To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly.
There were certain bits to the Hull thing that didn't quite fit right. When the Hull media started posting, on Wednesday, that GM was interested in the job and that discussions were taking place that wasn't correct. I had spoken to the club because of those same media reports, and nothing official had been received at that point, as I posted on here. So, we can only guess at what had happened prior to that point in time.
I get the feeling Hull had sounded out McCan through his agent, we’ll never know for sure, I know it was dreessed up in the media that he was too busy on Tuesdayto take the press call because he was tying up new players, but that does n’t fit what eventually happened regarding the new players that came in this week
But that was true, both Wednesday and Tuesday were busy days for Grant as he was finalising the deals he'd put in place.
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I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals.
I think you're very much mistaken. Dwindling as a club? I'm not sure what you mean by that but the accounts show a completely different picture to that.
Of course the finances are in a good place, but if we turn this into a numbers game, we may risk being too cautious to the point where we start to lose support, again I'm in no way criticizing the board or being negative, playing devils advocate.
Do you mean the football quality is dwindling? Not sure I'd agree with that either.
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Could anyone explain the Gomes contract??? It’s a very strange one in my opinion, he’s only played a handful of games in the last 6 year with various clubs yet hits the jackpot at donny???
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Here here. Onwards and upwards.
Stick with the board!
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SM,
I said quite early on that I thought McCann had been tapped up now if we can prove that is the case could we not take legal action against both parties?
What would that achieve?
I don't know the legal side of tapping up, is it legal? against League rules?
If it were proven I would have liked Hull to get their hands slapped with a fine and Donny getting a larger amount of compensation!
I know It would be very difficult to prove I am just interested in the area of "Tapping Up" Can it be done with no punishment, surely not!
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SM,
Just found the answer on google
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up
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SM,
Just found the answer on google
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapping_up
But that's players, not managers.
My understanding is that if a manager was 'tapped up', and we could prove it, we could report that club. A penalty for that club would be a transfer embargo.
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Martin any idea if we would consider managers who have applied previously
Thanks for posting such a frank honest thread by the way
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We know how football works, heads turned. Representatives working for their client etc. Let's not be naive. We too could put the feelers out but I'm afraid nobody will ever know about it... Other than those that matter. As far as we're concerned as as SM says, it'll be done the right way.
We should know given the successful season but failing to achieve promotion would leave us vulnerable however, I think what concerns people is we as a club being regarded as a stepping stone rather than a club where someone will see the job through. Yes, we know there are bigger fish but you would have hoped McCann would see the potential for pitting his wits against the likes of Hull on merit. It's about the clubs stature and having the wherewithal to match the likes of Rotherham and Barnsley etc.
People will wonder whether the board feel hurt by this and will learn by the experience. I know you've partly covered that SM.
This is where people look for the club to be saying "We will continue our quest to become a Championship club and we are determined to find the right man to achieve that.". It's OK making statements on the website or passing the message on via your good self, but people want to hear a passionate voice that reflects the feelings of the fans.
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SM,
I agree with that having read the topic up.
It would have been interesting to ask the Hull news paper and the Hull owners to explain the timing of the comments in the paper before they made the official and correct approach.
It would also show McCann in a different light.
but is it worth the effort? Not really, the show goes on.
Copps the voice of reason.
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What an excellent opening post, SM! Many thanks! I just hope that all the conspiracy theorists will now give their keyboards a rest! 🙂
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Thanks SM for the posts, I like the way the club is managed and am impressed with the involvement of the board. I would like to know what more the club could do to improve (rhetorical) we are miles away from the up and downs and insecurities financially and managerially of a decade ago.
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Thanks SM and really good OP and sums up my feelings also. How anyone can throw criticism towards the current board is beyond me.
They got it right the last time we needed a new manager and I’m confident they’ll get it right again this time.
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Thanks for the update SM. It’s just one of the many great things about this club; that is the relationship we enjoy with the CEO, owners and players. It doesn’t take place at many clubs, that’s for sure.
Anyway, in regards to GM. Obviously most of us are gutted at his sudden departure and also in shock. Didn’t really see it coming and certainly not to hull but there you go, that’s football.
We move on and we rebuild. It would be nice to have some stability for a few seasons so hopefully the next appointment will commit to that, but we’ll see.
No point being bitter towards GM. If we are honest, most people would leave their jobs for more money to a bigger organisation. I don’t agree with his decision for what it’s worth, I think he’s made a poor choice but time will tell.
Thanks for last season grant, the team was a pleasure to watch and we nearly did it. Best of luck at Hull, I’ve a feeling you might need it.
RTID
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Great post. I have respect for what he achieved for us last season. My son is now a supporter of the club. I lost some respect with how his last week or so was. In my opinion he has made a mistake going to a club in decline but it is his choice.
I have said previously, players and managers come and go. Our club is here with the supporters and a fantastic board ( some won’t agree).
Let’s move on and support the new manager and players. Let’s take on board what Copps said. There is a man who is a true leader and has rovers blood in him, like us supporters.
Onwards and upwards.
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Was the compensation significant or a minimal gesture?
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Does it matter. He has gone. The board wanted him to stay by all accounts.
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Was the compensation significant or a minimal gesture?
We’re talking about HULL here. You can bet it will be the absolute minimum.
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That’s my worry and would be the icing on the cake, getting mugged off on compo as well.
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That’s my worry and would be the icing on the cake, getting mugged off on compo as well.
We didn't.
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The current Board has only been in existence for two years following the sad passing of Dick Watson, not a decade as the OP implied, and during that time two managers have walked out on the club.
This time could we appoint someone who is ambitious but who will show a bit of loyalty as well?
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The current Board has only been in existence for two years following the sad passing of Dick Watson, not a decade as the OP implied, and during that time two managers have walked out on the club.
This time could we appoint someone who is ambitious but who will show a bit of loyalty as well?
Not sure how you can determine who would show loyalty or not
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The current Board has only been in existence for two years following the sad passing of Dick Watson, not a decade as the OP implied, and during that time two managers have walked out on the club.
This time could we appoint someone who is ambitious but who will show a bit of loyalty as well?
The current board is a continuation of the old board
It’s not the boards fault that 2 managers have gone - one who had personal circumstances, the other (although it’s still raw) left to try his hand at a higher level - I guess it shows the last appointment shows we chose a highly ambitious guy
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Thanks for the clarification of your opening post, SM.
Please don't read anything into some of the comments over the last day or two- it just shows what passion there is for the Club. We're all guilty, at times, in shooting from the hip, and I think us supporters are well within their rights in sounding off after GM's incredible choice.
We continue to watch this space and hope for the best.
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The current Board has only been in existence for two years following the sad passing of Dick Watson, not a decade as the OP implied, and during that time two managers have walked out on the club.
This time could we appoint someone who is ambitious but who will show a bit of loyalty as well?
You don't disappoint do you? How is John these days?
The current board is predominately the board that has existed in one format or another for the last 10 years, and it's certainly been the money from the Watson and Bramall families that has created the situation that the football club finds itself in.
And I fail to see the relevance of two managers leaving this club has to do with that. No doubt you're suggesting that the board are not capable of picking a manager you agree with.
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Can I say thank you for all the kind comments.
I must admit that my emotions have been up and down just like everybody else. But what I wanted to do with this post was to try and put across the very positive and determined attitude of the club staff and board that this wouldn't deter them from the job they have and the direction they wish to move in. I hope I've done that.
Many thanks.
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I'm so glad I was travelling on business for most of yesterday, I'm not sure that the meltdown on the forum would have been easy to take if I'd been closer to it.
However, the club were in touch throughout the day informing me of the process and the state of play, for which I was grateful.
I expressed my opinion at length about Grant, and questioned the logic behind his move much the same way you've all done on here. But it was refreshing to hear that the club although disappointed, were not distraught, nor overwhelmed with the task they now find themselves with. In fact they felt the opposite. They see this as an opportunity to drive the club forward again, to re-look at the manager situation and make that constant improvement which has been a feature of this club for some time. We have been inundated with applications for the vacant post already, well before the advert going out. That shows people want to come to us, they're seeking us out, and there are positive reasons for that.
Despite the negativity that some posters on here delight in expressing, there's very little accuracy or logic with some of the points they make. I notice that some want to sack the board for example. This board, which has given us about 10 years of good times, provided the stability and financial strength to survive in times that are not easy for football clubs. This board who are the envy of just about any other football club, this board who chose the recent manager who gave us this last successful season. Yet the logic seems to be that they 'are not football people' and they don't know what they're doing. If this is an example of people who don't know what they're doing then can we have a lot more of this please??
This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
This board chose well the last time, they followed their process, they eliminated the managers that didn't fit and picked someone who was underwhelming for the most seasoned DRFC supporters. I trusted them then, and I'll trust them again.
I know people are feeling bitter, but that's not our way is it? I think we should adopt the philosophy shown by Jamie Coppinger in his tweet that said 'To the players and fans of @drfc_official its important we do what we always do,stick together, work hard and prove the doubters wrong...AGAIN!'.
My thoughts entirely.
Yeah, fine words SM and I agree with most of what you have written there but part of me feels that what you have written is very much like a politician might say after losing his seat in a by election, trying to put a positive spin on things.
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Being positive is a choice. We could all look for the negative and wallow in self pity but what would be the point in that?
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Really, really appreciate this post and subsequent information in this thread from you, SM. This is the perfect example of what the importance of your position is for us fans, who wouldn't know any of this otherwise.
I for one greatly appreciate our board and think they have done all they can here. I do wish the new recruitment process was set to be a little shorter but I understand the need to conduct it properly. Perhaps some transfers already in the works will still continue which would ease our worries greatly. Glenn Middleton for instance would surely be a good signing no matter who comes in now, quality is quality at the end of the day.
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Martin any idea if we would consider managers who have applied previously
Thanks for posting such a frank honest thread by the way
I'm sure we will. Some of them were good candidates and knowing Gavin like I do he'll be on with it!
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I'm sure that Gavin and the board will be looking into applicants as soon as cvs arrive.
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Having a manager on a 12 month “rolling contract” makes them relatively cheap to be “poached” like hull have just done.
Perhaps the board need to look at this if they feel they find the right man next time.
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Having a manager on a 12 month “rolling contract” makes them relatively cheap to be “poached” like hull have just done.
Perhaps the board need to look at this if they feel they find the right man next time.
Makes them relatively cheap to sack as well which is more likely!
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I read this morning he has got a 1year rolling contract at Hull
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Great post SM and your comments are totally in line with how i see the big picture at DRFC.
I just can’t believe we have supporters of our great club who think our board are clueless.
The only people who are clueless are them.
If they can’t see how lucky we are to have the owners we have when you look around the football league and see what a shambles so many clubs are due to incompetent, greedy and yes clueless owners they have.
This situation we find ourselves in was not avoidable, someone tell me how could it have been.
If a manager has his head turned then how do you keep him.
We have owners who have brilliant business acumen.
They will not be held to ransom by anyone. No one is bigger than the club are they. And yes there are plenty of fish in the sea.
McCann was good but he isn’t God is he.
This is not a disaster and if we have to wait a couple of weeks or so for a new manager then so be it.
Let’s get another good manager. That’s what is important.
Remember GM had less than 5 weeks to assemble his squad last year.
We didn’t do too bad did we. If we get the right man then he will have plenty of contacts and we will have a great squad in place by 3rd Aug.
Stop panicking, be positive. This might be a brilliant new dawn. :clapping: :thumbsup: :woohoo:
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Remember GM had less than 5 weeks to assemble his squad last year.
Good positive post as always Campsall, however you can't really compare this summer with the last one, due to the numbers we have left. On the flip side of that, of course, GM said himself that much of his time was taken up with sorting outgoing loans, so at least the new manager won't have that problem. But he may have the Marquis problem to sort and, hopefully, an extension to Whiteman's contract.
Personally, a few good loan players in the right places plus a good solid, left-sided cb and (arguably) a more experienced keeper and we should be ok.
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SM as everyone else has put already thank you for letting us have just a little extra glimpse of the inside going ons.
The thing where I'm most disappointed is that GM has let established rovers players go. These were the basis of a decent team under DF if uninspiring.
What is the view of the club over the new contracts did they feel they were being used by the players or was it all McCann driven which I fully expect it to have been.
If so that is what gets my goat. If we had buttler, Rowe, Andrew and even marosi I'd probably be disappointed but ok esp with youth coming through
He's left the squad with none of those players who were part of last seasons success
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Top post SM ,unfortunately some fans don't realise that players and managers see the club in a different light to us, they have a career and if advancement opportunities arise they take them.lets hope we get a decent replacement, and maybe one day Mr Coppinger will take the rheins and he is the only player I can think off that would only be moving on if he were sacked by a future board.
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SM as everyone else has put already thank you for letting us have just a little extra glimpse of the inside going ons.
The thing where I'm most disappointed is that GM has let established rovers players go. These were the basis of a decent team under DF if uninspiring.
What is the view of the club over the new contracts did they feel they were being used by the players or was it all McCann driven which I fully expect it to have been.
If so that is what gets my goat. If we had buttler, Rowe, Andrew and even marosi I'd probably be disappointed but ok esp with youth coming through
He's left the squad with none of those players who were part of last seasons success
To be fair Rowe could end up staying.
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SM as everyone else has put already thank you for letting us have just a little extra glimpse of the inside going ons.
The thing where I'm most disappointed is that GM has let established rovers players go. These were the basis of a decent team under DF if uninspiring.
What is the view of the club over the new contracts did they feel they were being used by the players or was it all McCann driven which I fully expect it to have been.
If so that is what gets my goat. If we had buttler, Rowe, Andrew and even marosi I'd probably be disappointed but ok esp with youth coming through
He's left the squad with none of those players who were part of last seasons success
To be fair Rowe could end up staying.
Could we offer Rowe a new contract before we appoint a new manager?
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SM as everyone else has put already thank you for letting us have just a little extra glimpse of the inside going ons.
The thing where I'm most disappointed is that GM has let established rovers players go. These were the basis of a decent team under DF if uninspiring.
What is the view of the club over the new contracts did they feel they were being used by the players or was it all McCann driven which I fully expect it to have been.
If so that is what gets my goat. If we had buttler, Rowe, Andrew and even marosi I'd probably be disappointed but ok esp with youth coming through
He's left the squad with none of those players who were part of last seasons success
To be fair Rowe could end up staying.
Could we offer Rowe a new contract before we appoint a new manager?
I cant see how that can happen but would love it to.
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Or the next manager might actually value him more highly than Grant did.
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Not saying it would happen in this case but if a person of interest applied there is nothing stopping an interview taking place before 28th, might hurry things along.
Do jobs have to be advertised to tick a box
Another quick question is the Rooney rule up and running?
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Not saying it would happen in this case but if a person of interest applied there is nothing stopping an interview taking place before 28th, might hurry things along.
Do jobs have to be advertised to tick a box
Another quick question is the Rooney rule up and running?
I suppose there's nothing stopping a quick appointment if they feel they have the right man. After all they have considerable experience in appointing managers, so I'm sure they will know when they meet/see him.
The Rooney rule was voted in at the last AGM held in Portugal just a few weeks ago. This will now be written into the EFL rules and will be compulsory from next season.
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SM,
Is the kid Middleton still coming?
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Tell them to get Appleton pls SM xx
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Which ever manager we sign and we turn out to be a playoff side again then we have to start again next season when they move on. Mind to do that the manager has got to sign another 5/6 good players.
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I'm sure GB was told by McCann which players he wanted, so assuming he doesn't recruit all for Hull and the new man thinks they can do a job for DRFC recruitment should not be a worry.
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As has been pointed out, there is a month from the stated appointment date by the club to the first ball being kicked in anger. Not ideal for recruitment, but surely not a disaster either.
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Won’t be disaster but GB said pushing for promotion again therefore we need the right players. If John leaves we need to ensure the players we bring in can replace the goals from him, Wilks, Rowe and Kane.
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It will be hard enough to get someone to get the 15 or so that Wilks got.
To expect to get someone else to get 25 is not likely to happen.