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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: WheatleyRover on July 07, 2019, 11:21:07 am
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Will we ever see any improvements to the KM, and i don't mean an increase in capacity, i mean more aesthetics, i love the ground, but feel the roof design really lets it down, it needs more features.
It would of been good if at least the main stand would have had roof supports showing on top to give the ground different dimentions instead of being the same the whole way around, even some flags on the roof, an old style clock in the centre of one of the stands.
Any thoughts, sorry i'm a bit bored.
I made this post because i've just seen the Scunthorpe plans
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It's just annoying when you see Rotherham and Scunthorpe which are smaller grounds, yet look bigger than ours
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Will we ever see any improvements to the KM, and i don't mean an increase in capacity, i mean more aesthetics, i love the ground, but feel the roof design really lets it down, it needs more features.
It would of been good if at least the main stand would have had roof supports showing on top to give the ground different dimentions instead of being the same the whole way around, even some flags on the roof, an old style clock in the centre of one of the stands.
Any thoughts, sorry i'm a bit bored.
I made this post because i've just seen the Scunthorpe plans
Didn't the Scunthorpe new ground get shelved.
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Rather the money been put to better use than "aesthetics" to be honest in building a new squad for example.
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Funnily enough I think our aesthetic is great, especially with the floodlight design..
Apart from decoration, and rail safe standing seats, is pretty good for me..
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Sooner put cash into youth and first team rather than aesthetics. It is new and it works.
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Funnily enough I think our aesthetic is great, especially with the floodlight design..
Apart from decoration, and rail safe standing seats, is pretty good for me..
Yeah i like the floodlights, we don't have to do anything extravagant, and agree with the above money going into the squad is top of the list.
Just would like to see some flags or something, and old style clock with the Rovers Badge on or club name.
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
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All it needs is a fresh coat of paint round the outside to be honest.
Not sure how Scunny's ground looks bigger than ours? It's very dated and ramshackle looking to say it was only built 30 years ago.
Rotherham's ground looks big but then it's not set at ground level, and for me the cascading roof design looks stupid.
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I mean Scunny's design for a new 11000 seater stadium
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Given nobody else is ever going to be in a position to use this commercially - and the fact we have this on a 90+ year lease (we were only in Belle Vue for 84 years) - the stadium is as good as our stadium. If we were to leave then the council would most likely demolish the stadium as it can never be used otherwise and the cost of subsidy or mothball would fall on tax payers. At present council gets minimum 100k per year from us.
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The design on the outside is pretty shoddy to be fair. Bit of wall art/red and white painted sections/more Donny badges etc wouldn’t go amiss.
The blue, green etc colours on each corner look pretty awful and I know it’s for people to know where abouts they are but surely that what stand names are for?
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Anyone know why behind the goals are so far away from the pitch compared to most other grounds?
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The design on the outside is pretty shoddy to be fair. Bit of wall art/red and white painted sections/more Donny badges etc wouldn’t go amiss.
The blue, green etc colours on each corner look pretty awful and I know it’s for people to know where abouts they are but surely that what stand names are for?
not once , even in the early days did the coloured corners help direct me to my turnstile... I found that the number above the turnstile more.or less did what it was supposed to do...
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Anyone know why behind the goals are so far away from the pitch compared to most other grounds?
rugby pitch dimensions being taken into consideration?
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The design on the outside is pretty shoddy to be fair. Bit of wall art/red and white painted sections/more Donny badges etc wouldn’t go amiss.
The blue, green etc colours on each corner look pretty awful and I know it’s for people to know where abouts they are but surely that what stand names are for?
Could be for the emergency services.??
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Thought I read on here somewhere it was getting a face lift sometime this year? Might be wrong
COYR
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SM told us it was due to be painted on the outside.
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Would love to see it given a face lift, it needs it.
Painted red, and flag poles on the roof etc...
Kind of like belle Vue got, it wouldn't cost the earth. (pun intended!)
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everybody that's got a house knows that if you don't keep spending on it , it starts to look tatty.
I think there was a fair bit of cost cutting from the original design to the as built version, which is just about alright.
Football has always been about entertainment as much as the actual sport , and the visit to the Keepmoat is part of the entertainment experience and I do find the' shawshank redemption ' style concourse interiors very grim. the concrete blockwork does a job but couldn't some of it be plastered and decorated ?
they have tried a bit with banners and stuff to be fair but a lie more could be done. Some coloured tiling in the toilets and stuff for example.
Getting the stadium built at all is an achievement but I would have liked that to have been a starting point.
I would suggest more solid masonry at the north and south ends as I suspect the ' tin can ' cheap cladding is what leads to the very poor acoustics in the ground.
Though I am sure more people would come it the ground was better probably not enough to pay for it though. After 10 years of ( so called ) ' austerity ' cuts Donny council can't do anything much , even though it would be an investment , the club makes a loss as it is ,so hard to say where the funding would come from, some generous benefactor ?
Anyway - new manager first eh.
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I’d settle for a new PA system one that you can hear when they speak !
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Is the lease held by DRFC or by Club Doncaster Foundation?
Genuine question.
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I mean Scunny's design for a new 11000 seater stadium
It's just a redevelopment of the existing Glandford Park stadium and is due to be phased in over the next few years. I would suggest they're more concerned about the apartments and other facilities than the stadium itself.
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Is the lease held by DRFC or by Club Doncaster Foundation?
Genuine question.
The foundation holds the lease.
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At this moment, the Keepmoat is in a lot better state than the MK Dons stadium.
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The place does look knackered. The exterior cladding is shite.
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Don't we pay any rent then?
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Sorry, ignore my previous post about MK Dons stadium, someone sent me a picture of flames pouring out from the stadium last night, apparently it was the pyrotechnics from a heavy metal rock band in concert. (Controlled flames) I stupidly jumped to conclusions that the stadium was being raised to the ground. Egg/face etc....
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Apart from ongoing maintenance for safety, hygiene, anti-deterioration etc there’s nowt wrong with the stadium in my opinion..
I loved belle vue but that ground was knackered.!!
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Don't we pay any rent then?
Why would we pay rent for something that we own the lease to?
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Sorry, ignore my previous post about MK Dons stadium, someone sent me a picture of flames pouring out from the stadium last night, apparently it was the pyrotechnics from a heavy metal rock band in concert. (Controlled flames) I stupidly jumped to conclusions that the stadium was being raised to the ground. Egg/face etc....
Rammstein! My brother was at that gig, not surprised to hear there was a lot of pyrotechnic fire.
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The place does look knackered. The exterior cladding is shite.
The exterior cladding normally has a 25 year shelf life, but is badly in need of a good wash down, believe SM has alluded to plans being of something like being done.
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It could be a lot better, but could be a lot worse. I'd rather spend money on a new striker than a fancy looking roof.
I despise the sound system though, it really is poor.
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It could be a lot better, but could be a lot worse. I'd rather spend money on a new striker than a fancy looking roof.
I despise the sound system though, it really is poor.
Very often difficult to hear what is being said, especially if the stadium announcer is speaking with a guest.
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To improve the quality of the sound we need speakers as opposed to the pa system tannoy we have now with a proper concert sound expert to set it up.
Agree it would be nice to paint the inside walls even just white at least brighten the interior up.
But I'll settle for the plumbing not leaking and some decent food and drink
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I looked at speaker system costs and think it is only around 30-40k. Not much at all and probably one of the cheapest quality of life/atmosphere improvements you could make.
And safe standing for South stand would be great.
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Do you want cosmetics or money spent on the squad/infrastructure? We heard a little while ago that some money would be spent on Cantley Park. S-M said there's some painting to be done at the Keepmoat. These things are not cheap.
Given where we came from Belle Vue, which was for the most part, a shit hole, then we have no grounds for worrying about the appearance of the stadium. A bit at a time will do me as long as it doesn't compromise what we all want to see on the pitch.
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Sorry, ignore my previous post about MK Dons stadium, someone sent me a picture of flames pouring out from the stadium last night, apparently it was the pyrotechnics from a heavy metal rock band in concert. (Controlled flames) I stupidly jumped to conclusions that the stadium was being raised to the ground. Egg/face etc....
Rammstein.......I was their
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Sorry, ignore my previous post about MK Dons stadium, someone sent me a picture of flames pouring out from the stadium last night, apparently it was the pyrotechnics from a heavy metal rock band in concert. (Controlled flames) I stupidly jumped to conclusions that the stadium was being raised to the ground. Egg/face etc....
Rammstein.......I was their
You were their what? Roadie?
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Do you want cosmetics or money spent on the squad/infrastructure? We heard a little while ago that some money would be spent on Cantley Park. S-M said there's some painting to be done at the Keepmoat. These things are not cheap.
Given where we came from Belle Vue, which was for the most part, a shit hole, then we have no grounds for worrying about the appearance of the stadium. A bit at a time will do me as long as it doesn't compromise what we all want to see on the pitch.
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. As I said a sound system is in the 10s of thousands.
If upkeep isn't done on the ground it will quickly look tired. (and it is starting to). You then end up with work cost twice as much as just doing routine maintenance here and there.
But yes, we have a great ground all things considered. I'd still rather be at belle Vue but that is my nostalgia goggles!
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Speaking of roofs it would have been nice if it was designed to keep the sound in the ground. Some grounds even a small amount of noise and it sounds decent. Can never hardly hear the away fans but see them singing.
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Do you want cosmetics or money spent on the squad/infrastructure? We heard a little while ago that some money would be spent on Cantley Park. S-M said there's some painting to be done at the Keepmoat. These things are not cheap.
Given where we came from Belle Vue, which was for the most part, a shit hole, then we have no grounds for worrying about the appearance of the stadium. A bit at a time will do me as long as it doesn't compromise what we all want to see on the pitch.
[/quoteDo you want cosmetics or money spent on the squad/infrastructure? We heard a little while ago that some money would be spent on Cantley Park. S-M said there's some painting to be done at the Keepmoat. These things are not cheap.
Given where we came from Belle Vue, which was for the most part, a shit hole, then we have no grounds for worrying about the appearance of the stadium. A bit at a time will do me as long as it doesn't compromise what we all want to see on the pitch.
It may have been a shit hole, but it was our shit hole lol
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Sorry, ignore my previous post about MK Dons stadium, someone sent me a picture of flames pouring out from the stadium last night, apparently it was the pyrotechnics from a heavy metal rock band in concert. (Controlled flames) I stupidly jumped to conclusions that the stadium was being raised to the ground. Egg/face etc....
Rammstein.......I was their
Damn ....lol...”there”...I was there!
You were their what? Roadie?
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Don't we pay any rent then?
Why would we pay rent for something that we own the lease to?
Probably like owning a flat where you pay ground rent and service charges for the upkeep it's normal to pay a quarterly fee. Makes us doing major reforms harder because technically messing with the structure is down to the freeholder i.e. the council
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It's not our stadium it's rented.
It's not rented. DRFC have a 99 year lease on it.
Don't we pay any rent then?
Why would we pay rent for something that we own the lease to?
Probably like owning a flat where you pay ground rent and service charges for the upkeep it's normal to pay a quarterly fee. Makes us doing major reforms harder because technically messing with the structure is down to the freeholder i.e. the council
But SM has already told us that the outside of the stadium is to be repainted.
Flats are usually part of a building comprising of other flats so service charges are a necessary evil.
The KM isn’t part of a collection of properties so is unlikely to need service charges.
I would have thought that the club pay business rates though (not ground rent),
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I dont think the council care to much tbh, they rather the stadium be out of their hands, obviously we have to consult them with changes like the wall we built in the East ect, they wanted the running of the stadium off their hands, and the way they've talked about it in the past made it sound like an unnecessary nuisance
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Slightly related but surprised there is no WiFi in the ground. Doesn’t particularly bother me but it seems to be offered at other grounds and maybe another source of revenue (WiFi provided by EE/Vodafone/Tesco et al)
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When the name changes in the future for sponsership, i think The Keepmoat name should be the grounds unofficial "spiritual" moniker, and will always be known affectionately as The Keepmoat amongst supporters given this was the first name of the ground regardless of sponsership.
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Or at least an unofficial Nickname
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I wish we'd join the 21st century and have contactless payment at the food kiosks and season ticket cards rather than the outdated books. Etickets would be a good step as well.
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I wish we'd join the 21st century and have contactless payment at the food kiosks and season ticket cards rather than the outdated books. Etickets would be a good step as well.
I can’t understand why this hasn’t been adopted yet. Surely the costs aren’t prohibitive, and it would massively ease the queues as we wouldn’t have to wait for the staff to work out how much change to give from a tenner for £4 spent!
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I wish we'd join the 21st century and have contactless payment at the food kiosks and season ticket cards rather than the outdated books. Etickets would be a good step as well.
I can’t understand why this hasn’t been adopted yet. Surely the costs aren’t prohibitive, and it would massively ease the queues as we wouldn’t have to wait for the staff to work out how much change to give from a tenner for £4 spent!
Exactly. And less people these days carry cash. I rarely have physical cash in my wallet.
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I agree, although it's not hard going to the cash machine before you go to the ground, but it would be handy for those who don't carry cash
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One of my thoughts for what its worth to do with stadium appearance (& apologies to RobC as ive mentioned it to him already).....How about some RED STRIP LED lighting running all way around roof on outside?? Can be very effective! Doesnt have to be on 24/7
A while ago i went past man city & looked v impressive lit up - i know we are no where near their resources but could that be done at same time as painting corners / spruce up? LED technology moved along rapidly recently???, just a thought .....SM comment???
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One of my thoughts for what its worth to do with stadium appearance (& apologies to RobC as ive mentioned it to him already).....How about some RED STRIP LED lighting running all way around roof on outside?? Can be very effective! Doesnt have to be on 24/7
A while ago i went past man city & looked v impressive lit up - i know we are no where near their resources but could that be done at same time as painting corners / spruce up? LED technology moved along rapidly recently???, just a thought .....SM comment???
We've discussed lighting on a few occasions. It's always about money obviously, but I'll chase it with Gav soon.
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One of my thoughts for what its worth to do with stadium appearance (& apologies to RobC as ive mentioned it to him already).....How about some RED STRIP LED lighting running all way around roof on outside?? Can be very effective! Doesnt have to be on 24/7
A while ago i went past man city & looked v impressive lit up - i know we are no where near their resources but could that be done at same time as painting corners / spruce up? LED technology moved along rapidly recently???, just a thought .....SM comment???
We've discussed lighting on a few occasions. It's always about money obviously, but I'll chase it with Gav soon.
Change all the stadium lights for LEDs and it'll both pay for itself within about 6 years and leave it maintenance free for between 10 and 20 not to mention the costs saved in energy
There are also lots of funding streams that can be looked at to help with this
No brainer really. Im working on a scheme for the MoJ now on the huge civil courts building in manchester.
Happy to have a discussion SM if its of any help?
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One of my thoughts for what its worth to do with stadium appearance (& apologies to RobC as ive mentioned it to him already).....How about some RED STRIP LED lighting running all way around roof on outside?? Can be very effective! Doesnt have to be on 24/7
A while ago i went past man city & looked v impressive lit up - i know we are no where near their resources but could that be done at same time as painting corners / spruce up? LED technology moved along rapidly recently???, just a thought .....SM comment???
What would this RED LED look like, im a bit confused about what you mean?
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Red LED - a single red strip light running all way round outer edge of stadium roof - very effective (in my mind) - to operate on match days plus from twilight to @11pm???
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One of my thoughts for what its worth to do with stadium appearance (& apologies to RobC as ive mentioned it to him already).....How about some RED STRIP LED lighting running all way around roof on outside?? Can be very effective! Doesnt have to be on 24/7
A while ago i went past man city & looked v impressive lit up - i know we are no where near their resources but could that be done at same time as painting corners / spruce up? LED technology moved along rapidly recently???, just a thought .....SM comment???
What would this RED LED look like, im a bit confused about what you mean?
It is clear enough to me what he means.
I have seen similar at some other grounds.
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Maybe we should have the red landing lights on top of the floodlights as we did at OBV
COYR