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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnyspadge on July 08, 2019, 05:40:35 pm
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Apparently one of the 5 interviewees
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A man with a truly dreadful record recently. Let’s hope strongly that it’s one of the other four!
Announce Hayrettin.
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https://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre
Scroll down the page it was posted at 17:20
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Of all the names mentioned this has to be the most underwhelming. Christ on a bike.
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No need to worry. Why would we employ Hudson, or Flitcroft for that matter, if Darren Moore and supposedly Michael Appleton are on the shortlist?
It just wouldn't make any sense.
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No need to worry. Why would we employ Hudson, or Flitcroft for that matter, if Darren Moore and supposedly Michael Appleton are on the shortlist?
It just wouldn't make any sense.
My thoughts exactly.. although it's just a waste of time interviewing them in my eyes. His record is the most important thing for me and Hudson's is abysmal.
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This year’s Gary Caldwell.
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I've just done some searching and apparently he was in talks with Newcastle for the job there.
https://twitter.com/JacobsBen/status/1143194793461374978
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Just done a bit of reading. Seems to have a record of criticising his players and his bosses. Been described as one of the worst coaches in MLS history after 8 wins in 43 matches throughout his latest stint. Sky sources are having a laugh, surely.
Thankfully there is no way on this earth that his record can stand up to Moore, Appleton or even Flitcroft.
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Not well thought of.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HOut2018 (https://mobile.twitter.com/HOut2018)
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Can’t be serious!
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Apparently one of the 5 interviewees
According to our various posters there are now eight names on the list of five interviewees.
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
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Jesus we may as well ring Dickov up and see if he fancies an interview if we are interviewing this guy. Hopefully Moore or Appleton for the job with Moore my preference.
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I hope he interviews badly.
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Jesus we may as well ring Dickov up and see if he fancies an interview if we are interviewing this guy. Hopefully Moore or Appleton for the job with Moore my preference.
After reading up on him you can see why he would be appealing to the board however i too wouldn't want him as manager.
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This would be the biggest backward step in Rovers history.
How can he get to this stage.
Christ on a bike I could do better than him.
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I hope he interviews badly.
eer, why? Wouldn't you want a strong candidate?
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
Don't think it matters too much that the names are being leaked.
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Now this one really confuses/worries me🤔
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Hoden is a journalist, why would he not tell people the qinformation?
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Now this one really confuses/worries me🤔
We have been told to expect a surprise.
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The club could also be leaking info to see how fans react so should be fairly easy either Moore or Appleton unless they completely fail the interview
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if so
can he bring six Chelsea loanees with him please
Chelsea once loaned Bamford to MK in this division and he scored a hatful before being reloaned that season to a club a division above.
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Would he work for minimal money? Is he interested in trying to build a team with little money? Yes? He's in!
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Would he work for minimal money? Is he interested in trying to build a team with little money? Yes? He's in!
What the f**k.??
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Would he work for minimal money? Is he interested in trying to build a team with little money? Yes? He's in!
What the f**k.??
Broken record needs changing.
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His record is rubbish though, cant deny that.
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This would be a very very very deflating appointment
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This would be a very very very deflating appointment
More deflating than Flitcroft?
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Yes. I can kind of find reasons for Flitcroft he has had success when you look at it without context, promotions managing in championship etc, but this hudson guy sounds like he's had nowt
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Yes. I can kind of find reasons for Flitcroft he has had success when you look at it without context, promotions managing in championship etc, but this hudson guy sounds like he's had nowt
See i would look at it the other way around. Flitcroft is tried and tested and hasn't pulled up many trees. This Hudon guy is an unknown quantity, a gamble which may or may not pay off.
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He has a managerial career win rate of 23% I know the board quoted mccanns if around 44% as being a big reason for his appointment. I can’t see the board going for this feller.
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Then why even shortlist him?
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Yes. I can kind of find reasons for Flitcroft he has had success when you look at it without context, promotions managing in championship etc, but this hudson guy sounds like he's had nowt
See i would look at it the other way around. Flitcroft is tried and tested and hasn't pulled up many trees. This Hudon guy is an unknown quantity, a gamble which may or may not pay off.
Hudson has managed and at club level has a terrible record. In Flitcrofts time in the championship he kept Barnsley up for a season then struggled (which isn't really out of the ordinary cycle). Everywhere else he has a decent win ratio. I'd look at it that Flitcroft has a consistent win ratio around 40% but Hudson has a very poor win ratio and little experience that is immediately relevant i.e. EFL management.
I don't want Flitcroft i'm just saying between the two it should be fairly easy to choose Flitcroft.
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Would he work for minimal money? Is he interested in trying to build a team with little money? Yes? He's in!
You're a shambles.
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
It's a leak, very clever.
Leak a name who has a poor record and the fans wouldn't like, so when they announce an otherwise disappointing appointment, it doesn't seem as bad and maybe seen as a good appointment.
So my money is on flitcroft to be announced as our next manager.
They did it with mcann, but I can't remember who the 'poor' candidate was that time.
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
It's a leak, very clever.
Leak a name who has a poor record and the fans wouldn't like, so when they announce an otherwise disappointing appointment, it doesn't seem as bad and maybe seen as a good appointment.
So my money is on flitcroft to be announced as our next manager.
They did it with mcann, but I can't remember who the 'poor' candidate was that time.
Interesting theory but at the time we knew that McCall was also a prime candidate and a big proportion of supporters wanted him to get the job.
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Maybe the intention was always 4 on the shortlist but the board were intrigued by this Hudson fella so they’ve heard him out in addition?
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
It's a leak, very clever.
Leak a name who has a poor record and the fans wouldn't like, so when they announce an otherwise disappointing appointment, it doesn't seem as bad and maybe seen as a good appointment.
So my money is on flitcroft to be announced as our next manager.
They did it with mcann, but I can't remember who the 'poor' candidate was that time.
Gary Caldwell
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He arrived at tottenham with a "glittering reference"from Harry Redknapp, who likened him to "a young José Mourinho"......🙊..
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Maybe there is no conspiracy?
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Hoden just confirmed he has been interviewed
To say that the club are keeping things very much in house, Hoden seems happy to broadcast whatever he wants to.
It's a leak, very clever.
Leak a name who has a poor record and the fans wouldn't like, so when they announce an otherwise disappointing appointment, it doesn't seem as bad and maybe seen as a good appointment.
So my money is on flitcroft to be announced as our next manager.
They did it with mcann, but I can't remember who the 'poor' candidate was that time.
Gary Caldwell
Ah thanks. It did happen last time!
Pretty sure caldwells name popped up at the last minute too!
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If this is one of the high calibre applicants, someone needs to re assess the meaning of high calibre
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I like him. He used to play for, and coach the Wilmington Hammerheads, which I reckon is the greatest name ever for a football team. A hammerhead is just what we need round here.
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So my theory is they have done the interviews, Moore and Appleton want too much, so they leak Hudson, so when they announce flitcroft everyone isn't too disappointed.
It happened last time with mcall, grayson, Caldwell and mcann
It so obvious!
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If this is one of the high calibre applicants, someone needs to re assess the meaning of high calibre
Don't worry, it's just disinformation
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Where is SM when you need him to put our minds at rest.
How the hell does he meet the specifications.
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They didn’t ‘leak’ Caldwell he was genuinely close to getting the job which SM confirmed.
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So my theory is they have done the interviews, Moore and Appleton want too much, so they leak Hudson, so when they announce flitcroft everyone isn't too disappointed.
It happened last time with mcall, grayson, Caldwell and mcann
It so obvious!
I’d like to think salary offer/expectations would be discussed or stated before interviewing...otherwise why waste peoples time?
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So my theory is they have done the interviews, Moore and Appleton want too much, so they leak Hudson, so when they announce flitcroft everyone isn't too disappointed.
It happened last time with mcall, grayson, Caldwell and mcann
It so obvious!
I’d like to think salary offer/expectations would be discussed or stated before interviewing...otherwise why waste peoples time?
Every job I've gone for, salary was negotiated on 2nd interview.
But I guess they might have done it on the first.
The candidate will have a salary expectation, and it's at the interview stage that it's discussed
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This would be a very very very deflating appointment
More deflating than Flitcroft?
A lot more,
He’s regarded as one of the worst coaches in MLS history and the worst coach ever for colarado
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He’s also Alan Hudson’s son ,ex Stoke and Chelsea and he used to like a pint or two
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Jesus im going to be disappointed if its Flitcroft
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Where is SM when you need him to put our minds at rest.
How the hell does he meet the specifications.
You worry too much!
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Cheers SM you have put my mind at rest.
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Any idea when it will be announced?
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Now ask the same about moore
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Where is SM when you need him to put our minds at rest.
How the hell does Moore meet the specifications. ;)
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Psychology is called for here....Watch this space........
SM, I can't believe the rumour I've heard that Moore hasn't got the job. What do you think about it? :rolleyes:
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Now 7/2 to get the job. Moore is drifting.
This would be Dickov-esk deflation :lol:
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How can they appoint Hudson 9 wins in 60 games???? Wtf.
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Now 7/2 to get the job. Moore is drifting.
This would be Dickov-esk deflation :lol:
It would be worse than that.
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Some nervous posts there lads.
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I cannot see it and I hope it is not him. Just shows that theres no whispers as yet.
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Would be massively disappointed if it was him, just think it’s a lot of rumour mongering from people all over and gullible people are chucking money on him.
Still think it’s Darren Moore
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He would be the cheap option with his experience of running an EFL club aiming for promotion or any EFL club. Win ratio of 25% if appointed it would be a joke and make the club a laughing stock.
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His odds are dropping and Moore's beginning to increase again.... Getting worried....
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No one can accuse our board of not applying due diligence in the recruitment process.
Every new appointment will be a risk to some degree, but if they choose Hudson they must have good reasons and being the “cheap option” doesn’t come into it IMHO.
Joke.? Laughing stock.? Really.?
Fans maybe underwhelmed by what they perceive as a poor choice, but shouldn’t any new manager be judged on the performance of the team and the players brought in, and the results, rather than any prior reputation.??
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We need to pin this thread in case Hudson is appointed, and see how well the posts age...
Have some faith with the board, they haven't done badly in previous recruiting (Dickov being the exception, and only because of JR being mates with him).
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His odds are dropping and Moore's beginning to increase again.... Getting worried....
Isn’t that just fluctuation due to betting.? People are guessing here.?
As I just posted, shouldn’t we give the new manager a chance.?
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His odds are dropping and Moore's beginning to increase again.... Getting worried....
Isn’t that just fluctuation due to betting.? People are guessing here.?
As I just posted, shouldn’t we give the new manager a chance.?
. Im sorry, but if he gets it over the other candidates interviewed then it is criminal.
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Skybet haven’t got a clue. In the last hour or so;
Moore has gone from below evens to above evens to back below evens.
Hudson has gone from 2/1 to 5/2
Flitcroft has come in to 6/1 from 12/1 then back out to 7/1
Appleton gone from 4/1 to 8/1 and now 10/1
Eustace rumoured to be the fifth candidate has gone from 22/1 to 25/1
Think it’s a lucky dip who we get
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Could be completely wrong, but I really can't see how this guy would make it through the entire process ahead of Moore or Appleton, or even Flitcroft for that matter - given the criteria of:
- Working knowledge of the EFL or equivalent
- Proven track record of securing results
- Excellent contacts within the football community
- A proven leader
Now Hudson may well have some of the above qualities, but for him to emerge ahead of three men who have coached and managed extensively in English football, and each had elements of success at clubs of a similar (or higher) level as DRFC, would make very little sense.
Still holding out hope for Darren Moore. Appleton would be my 2nd choice and wouldn't be disappointing at all. Not keen on Flitcroft but I think even he would eclipse Hudson on paper.
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I don't know a lot about betting but thought odds reflect two things. The likelyhood of the event happening and what other bets have been placed. Unless Sky and others have a hotline to the Board, they don't know anything more than us lot. So the betting reflects bets placed and guesswork.
If I were a serious betting man I would now start a rumour that Hudson had got it, wait for the odds to shorten and lengthen on Moore and then place a wodge on Moore.
Actually, that's a good idea.
My mate who works at the KM has told me he's seen the contract they are offering Hudson, honest!!
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You guys need to have faith.
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That is me saying I do have faith! :lol: Can't see the board choosing this guy.
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the odds on moore range from 8/11 sky to 1/7 with plastic paddy power slight difference of opinion
hudson is 11/5 (was 2/1) with reach for the sky & 6/1 with plastic
flitcroft 7/1 sky 14/1 plastic
apple 10/1 sky 16/1 plastic
i reckon they work on £500 meaning lay to lose £500 then shorten
they work this way on overnight odds on certain events when we are supposed to be asleep
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You guys need to have faith.
This fills me with a tad more confidence, short and to the point.
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You guys need to have faith.
Think this should quash the panic,
I trust them to pick the best candidate as they have done almost always.
It would be deflating if we got Hudson but McCann was also deflating at the time.
Are we likely to get the announcement today Martin?
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Yeah, any idea of time scales?
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Like I have said several times now, who appoints our manager, the bookies or our board.?
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sky have read the post and now gone 8/15 from 8/13 accordingly hudson 3/1
think they'll be no moore betting on this soon book closed :scarf:
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Like I have said several times now, who appoints our manager, the bookies or our board.?
I don’t think nobody is suggesting the bookies appoint the manager, but at this stage they will have people leaking things to them. We all found out flitcroft had got an interview just on the basis he went odds on.
Doesn’t mean they’re getting the job but a swing in the price often indicates they know something
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Or that punters are speculating..?
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
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Odds are changing constantly - Moore is now 8/15 odds on fav and Hudson has drifted to 5/2.
Does now look like a two horse race though. Can't believe how well kept this has bee, would have thought it would have gotten out by now.
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You guys need to have faith.
This.
To me it all boils down to faith in our Board and Gavin to make the right decisions.
I'm not going to get all worried and anxious about this name or that name.
I trust them with the decision.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
Bookies odds are always based on maximising their profit and minimising their losses. It's a business.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
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He won't get the job-I'm not concerned about him at all.
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Darren Moore suddenly gone 1-6 on... Sounds like he's the man
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Darren Moore suddenly gone 1-6 on... Sounds like he's the man
Everything crossed but bookies not too reliable recently!! Good time for the odds to change now though, bound to be some sort of leakage by now? :clapping: :rtid:
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Even if it was Hudson, is he that much less experienced than Moore? Are his achievements less? Everyone wants Moore, and he's my preferred choice too, but it would still be something of a gamble. Most managerial appointments are. The club have clearly put in the legwork to get the right person in and we should trust them with that, it paid off last time.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
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Darren Moore suddenly gone 1-6 on... Sounds like he's the man
Done deal.
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1-10 now
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1-10 now
Looking good... has there been a leak ?
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
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Nailed on now, Hudson dropped to 8/1. Thank the lord!
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Moore 1/10... It's happening!
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
If somebody lumps a large bet on it it's more than whisper as far as the bookies are concerned, the odds are going to alter whether the bet turns out to be a winning one or not.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
If somebody lumps a large bet on it it's more than whisper as far as the bookies are concerned, the odds are going to alter whether the bet turns out to be a winning one or not.
I know, but what I mean is only the people who know McCann or work for hull would’ve placed that bet, so by default those bets were by only people in the know.
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
They went for the BEAM candidate. How predictable, political correctness gone mad.
Next they'll be allowing women in the stadium.
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He might not be your first choice but to say it’s very disappointing is ridiculous
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
Oh dear.
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
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Now 1-20 surprised they haven't suspended betting...
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
So based on the CVs you read, the interviews you were privvy to and the references you took... Who would you have chosen? I can only assume you know more than the board?
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
What? Are you serious. If it is Moore then it’s a brilliant appointment imo.
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Moore new manager then. Very disappointing.
So based on the CVs you read, the interviews you were privvy to and the references you took... Who would you have chosen? I can only assume you know more than the board?
Exactly, as fans we can look at the historical stats but don’t really know all the contributing factors behind them. That and gut instinct is all we can go on.
The board have been through the CV’s, done back ground checks and interviewed them face to face so I’m quite happy to put my trust in their decision.
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''Darren Mark Moore (born 22 April 1974) is a professional football coach and former player, who was appointed manager of Doncaster Rovers FC on 10th July 2019 Born in England, he earned two international caps for Jamaica. Moore is also a member of the management committee of the Professional Footballers' Association. Well known for looking like a womble.''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Moore
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''Darren Mark Moore (born 22 April 1974) is a professional football coach and former player, who was appointed manager of Doncaster Rovers FC on 10th July 2019 Born in England, he earned two international caps for Jamaica. Moore is also a member of the management committee of the Professional Footballers' Association. Well known for looking like a womble.''
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Moore
Blimey, we didn't mess around getting rid of Flitcroft.
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Astonishing to see anyone saying that they’d be “very disappointed” with Moore. A very promising young manager with an excellent grounding in coaching. In his short managerial career to date he has won Premier League manager of the month, Championship manager of the month, managed at the top of the Championship and has so much scope to learn and develop further. He has all the right values that the club is based upon, and a strong connection to our club and supporters. I’m celebrating this one. Pending confirmation it’s an absolutely superb appointment.
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Moore was widely touted as one of the most promising young managers IN THE COUNTRY after he almost turned around West Brom relegation.
If appointed, to be clear, we will have appointed one of the most promising managers IN THE COUNTRY.
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
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Every club has fans that moan about their manager you even get people on the radio moaning about klopp and pep
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
All of them.?
Clearly not but everyone will have a different opinion..
Naive enough to get them to 4th in the championship..
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
So a few WBA supporters don’t rate him.
So what. Means absolutely nothing.
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And those West Brom fans are experts are they? Jeez!!🙄
Some of the shite on here is laughable. Just back whoever we get for gods sake. There’s better qualified people than us mere mortals to make informed decisions.
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They sacked him and STILL didn't go up
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
A fan on footballforums.net told you he was made a few mistakes not that is tactically naive, every manager makes mistakes in games regardless of their qualities.
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Posh fans all said McCann couldn't quite put it together and many said they were fine with him being sacked. He did pretty well for us last season.
What Albion fans think is interesting but not always relevant, and certainly not always to be taken as gospel fact. If it is Moore, he comes here with his own ideas and with the experience of what he got wrong as well as right in his time at WBA. A young coach still growing and learning, which fits well with what the club ethos is.
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
A fan on footballforums.net told you he was made a few mistakes not that is tactically naive, every manager makes mistakes in games regardless of their qualities.
It was the thread on there from when he was sacked they said he was tactically naïve. I mistook which thread I read it from, doesn't change anything though.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
Explain then how Steve Evans was a big (pun intended) bookies favourite before the interviews, even though he’s publically denied any interest, which was confirmed on here by SM as being true..
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
Explain then how Steve Evans was a big (pun intended) bookies favourite before the interviews, even though he’s publically denied any interest, which was confirmed on here by SM as being true..
I said solely based.
Why did Mccann become odds on favourite with SkyBet before his name was even mentioned anywhere. They knew he was being targetted for the job./
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Every club has fans that moan about their manager you even get people on the radio moaning about klopp and pep
I've moaned slightly and he's not my first choice but if he does as good as McCann by playing good football, developing players and getting results then I'll quickly buy into him. Not everyone was excited about McCann when he first joined.
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Anthony Hudson rang a bell a bit so I looked him up - I recognised the name as he went from coaching at Spurs to Newport almost 10 years ago. When he joined, "He arrived with a "glittering reference" from Harry Redknapp, who likened him to "a young José Mourinho"" - that's the first red flag for me, a reference from 'Arry. Interesting CV after that but ultimately a dreadful record in his last job - I'm all for being open-minded but this guy's not for me.
Still I suppose it's a moot point given it looks like we've got DARREN MOORE, HE'S OUR MANAGOOOOOR!
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Go to bed kids, Santa will come when he chooses.
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
He was operating at a much higher level with them though. He’s got to be given a chance to prove himself dropping back down the pyramid.
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He's not my first choice aswell. Appleton is much better but I guess we'll see. Hopefully he's learnt from his time at West Brom.
Appleton is clearly a good coach but for me lacks certain qualities as a manager which for me Moore has...
West Brom fans told me Moore is tactically naïve. Brill.
If you'd asked me in December 2007, I'd have said the same about O'Driscoll.
Let's be honest, the average fan knows shite all about tactics.
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Thing is it might not even be Moore. :laugh:
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
If somebody lumps a large bet on it it's more than whisper as far as the bookies are concerned, the odds are going to alter whether the bet turns out to be a winning one or not.
I know, but what I mean is only the people who know McCann or work for hull would’ve placed that bet, so by default those bets were by only people in the know.
False logic. Approx 80% of bets (in money) are losing bets. There's plenty of idiots out there.
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
If somebody lumps a large bet on it it's more than whisper as far as the bookies are concerned, the odds are going to alter whether the bet turns out to be a winning one or not.
I know, but what I mean is only the people who know McCann or work for hull would’ve placed that bet, so by default those bets were by only people in the know.
False logic. Approx 80% of bets (in money) are losing bets. There's plenty of idiots out there.
You know nothing about how bookies make up their markets.
Yes, money bet has a large part to play, but if you think these companies aren't clued up and don't have contacts passing them information, then you're very misguided.
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Exactly
But McCann was 8/13 at the bookies without him being mentioned anywhere.
So someone in the know put a bet on or the boooes found out themselves
It wasn’t a short price just because a load of chancers had randomly backed him
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Exactly
But McCann was 8/13 at the bookies without him being mentioned anywhere.
So someone in the know put a bet on or the boooes found out themselves
It wasn’t a short price just because a load of chancers had randomly backed him
Mccann wasn't even in the market to bet on, then within an hour he was odds on. It was clear Sky Bet found out what was happening and he was a dead cert for the job.
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Ok so the question about Evans’ earlier odds remains, when he hadn’t been interested in the job.
Either the bookies made it up, or someone’s leak was incorrect..
Either way it’s not an exact science is it.?
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Exactly
But McCann was 8/13 at the bookies without him being mentioned anywhere.
So someone in the know put a bet on or the boooes found out themselves
It wasn’t a short price just because a load of chancers had randomly backed him
Mccann wasn't even in the market to bet on, then within an hour he was odds on. It was clear Sky Bet found out what was happening and he was a dead cert for the job.
McCann was 33/1 on original sky bet odds remember someone winning a brilliant sum of cash last year when he was appointed
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If you think the bookies odds are solely based on money being bet then you're seriously mistaken.
I’m talking about the odds fluctuating..
When the odds for each candidate are going in and out like the f**king hokey-cokey, hoe does that reflect the bookies being in the know.??
Simple. It doesn't. They don't need to be 'in the know' to make money out of people who think they are.
I agree to some extent but they were certainly in the know regarding McCann to Hull.
There wasn’t even a whisper and he was odds on
If somebody lumps a large bet on it it's more than whisper as far as the bookies are concerned, the odds are going to alter whether the bet turns out to be a winning one or not.
I know, but what I mean is only the people who know McCann or work for hull would’ve placed that bet, so by default those bets were by only people in the know.
False logic. Approx 80% of bets (in money) are losing bets. There's plenty of idiots out there.
You know nothing about how bookies make up their markets.
Yes, money bet has a large part to play, but if you think these companies aren't clued up and don't have contacts passing them information, then you're very misguided.
I don't doubt it and I never said they didn't - but as you confirm yourself, money plays the large part. That's the bottom line, they're a business.
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Ok so the question about Evans’ earlier odds remains, when he hadn’t been interested in the job.
Either the bookies made it up, or someone’s leak was incorrect..
Either way it’s not an exact science is it.?
You've missed out the third explanation. An idiot bet enough money to make the bookies change their odds. Nothing to do with inside knowledge or potential leaks, money talks pure and simple.
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Exactly
But McCann was 8/13 at the bookies without him being mentioned anywhere.
So someone in the know put a bet on or the boooes found out themselves
It wasn’t a short price just because a load of chancers had randomly backed him
Mccann wasn't even in the market to bet on, then within an hour he was odds on. It was clear Sky Bet found out what was happening and he was a dead cert for the job.
McCann was 33/1 on original sky bet odds remember someone winning a brilliant sum of cash last year when he was appointed
Were talking about McCann to hull though
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Ok so the question about Evans’ earlier odds remains, when he hadn’t been interested in the job.
Either the bookies made it up, or someone’s leak was incorrect..
Either way it’s not an exact science is it.?
Of course there are occasions when someone has just lumped on or even just spoken about on social media.
But sometimes it’s because they know
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I get that, and there will be leaks - I’m not that naive to think otherwise.
But there have been so many names in and out of the odds this time that the knowledge is questionable at least..