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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on July 23, 2019, 12:04:52 pm
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In these times of people questioning which way other people's moral compass points, who is honest enough to admit they hope Boris Johnson fails as PM in order to validate their opinion of him?
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I suppose it depends on what parameters you use to determine success or failure.
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Me!!!
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He is the man in charge all we can do is back him and hope he does well if he doesn’t he will get voted out in the next election, why would any 1 wish bad things to happen to their country just to say told u so ?
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He is the man in charge all we can do is back him and hope he does well if he doesn’t he will get voted out in the next election, why would any 1 wish bad things to happen to their country just to say told u so ?
Unfortunately that's how the petulant left operate
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Is this in the wrong section or is he the new assistant manager?
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I don't want him to fail, I expect him to though. He definitely won't unite the country.
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What a STUPID comment wa ting someone to fail or do a bad job. I presume it's cos the minority want to stay in the Europe, well that is out of order as the majority of people want out that is not democracy so now we have to be our asap
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Shouldn't this be with the other 8000 topics on basically the same thing in the Off-Topic section? Unless that blonde muppet is rocking up at the Keepmoat next week (perish the thought) this has utterly nothing to do with Doncaster Rovers or football.
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What a STUPID comment wa ting someone to fail or do a bad job. I presume it's cos the minority want to stay in the Europe, well that is out of order as the majority of people want out that is not democracy so now we have to be our asap
Polls show the majority want to stay 3 years on from the vote.
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nothing whatsoever to do with football but the MAJORITY who want to REMAIN in the Eu , which is more democratic than our system, have to respond. It's time to resist the anti EU lies.
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Can't think of many players called Boris to feature on these shores. There was Boris Živković who didn't last long at Portsmouth under Harry Redknapp.
Any advance?
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Me
He is a chancer, a liar, a charlatan, and a waste of skin!
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Not at all I hope he's hugely successful as it probably means we all are in a far better position.
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I don't hope he fails, I fear it's inevitable. And he's going to take the rest of us with him.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
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Here is the thoughts of Boris regarding becoming an unelected PM
https://evolvepolitics.com/boris-johnson-said-it-was-a-scandal-fraud-for-an-unelected-pm-not-to-call-immediate-general-election-after-inheriting-top-job/
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
BST, there are posters in this thread saying that. And dont even look at twitter.....
Personally I'd even want corbyn to be a success and I cant stand the man.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
You say that, but its people like you who are fighting against brexit every step of the way, in order to derail it and ultimately for it to fail.
When the country should all be pulling in the same direction
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Boris who?
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Now that we've got someone who stood in front of the infamous bus in power and able to deliver on the promise written on it, if he doesn't give the NHS an extra £350m a week does that count as a failure?
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nothing whatsoever to do with football but the MAJORITY who want to REMAIN in the Eu , which is more democratic than our system, have to respond. It's time to resist the anti EU lies.
Democratic? With unelected leaders?
Yeah right.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
I absolutely knew what your response would be. So, so predictable...... And out of touch with reality, as usual!
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Boris who?
Think they're on about the Japanese psychedelia band. No idea why anyone would want them to fail, Pink is a banging album.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
I absolutely knew what your response would be. So, so predictable...... And out of touch with reality, as usual!
I think your OP was a loaded question, had BST said he wanted Boris to fail you would have made a similar response
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According to BST he thinks it's a daft question because who on earth wants our country to fail. Once again he proves himself to be out of touch because about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread want Boris to fail!
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He’s a fraud, he’s a chancer, he goes which way the wind blows (see his brexit position), he’s sexist, he’s racist, he’s a blagger. He’s not fit a proper, he’s not fit for purpose.
Yep. I want him to fail
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He’s a fraud, he’s a chancer, he goes which way the wind blows (see his brexit position), he’s sexist, he’s racist, he’s a blagger. He’s not fit a proper, he’s not fit for purpose.
Yep. I want him to fail
Who Boris or BST?
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Boris.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
You say that, but its people like you who are fighting against brexit every step of the way, in order to derail it and ultimately for it to fail.
When the country should all be pulling in the same direction
Johnson voted against May's Brexit deal twice. What price "everyone pulling together."
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Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
You say that, but its people like you who are fighting against brexit every step of the way, in order to derail it and ultimately for it to fail.
When the country should all be pulling in the same direction
Johnson voted against May's Brexit deal twice. What price "everyone pulling together."
Everyone's entitled to vote whatever way they want. The important bit is respecting the result and pulling together AFTER the vote.
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Well Boris?
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Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.
for all the reasons ings e he is not fit for purpose. Why do we have to accept someone like him being the pinnacle of our country.
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to @BorisJohnson
We will NOT unite with you.
You do NOT have our confidence.
We will NOT support your Premiership.
We will NOT get behind any Brexit.
We will depose you & the @Conservatives
at the earliest opportunity. We will FIGHT you,
Boris Johnson, and your policies.
#Rebellion4Remain #GTTO
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Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.
for all the reasons ings e he is not fit for purpose. Why do we have to accept someone like him being the pinnacle of our country.
Because we live in a democracy.
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Foxbat, when your lot become a party, fight elections and become responsible for your actions, thank the lord you live in Britain, and can print clap trap like that without paying a price.
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Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.
Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..
Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..
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Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.
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Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.
Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..
Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..
There are quite a few illogical folks on this thread then!
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Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.
Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.
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Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.
Not sure what that has to do with what Boris said in 2007, both Brown and Boris have not got a mandatefrom the British people, niether did May when she became PM, then called and election and lost the Tory’s majority, so since Cameron resigned the Tory’shave not had the mandate of the British people
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Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.
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Boris will be a failure if he blunders the uk out of the EU with a crap deal or no deal.
Therefore it is logical that those who favour remaining in the EU, or at worst leaving with a sensible deal, would not want Boris to fail..
Public persona wise he is on the same low level as Trump IMHO but he can’t make unilateral edicts and decisions, Parliament won’t let him..
There are quite a few illogical folks on this thread then!
I didn’t count the posts but to me it looked like more were saying he probably would fail, rather than wanting him to.?
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Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!
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Half of all Prime Ministers over the last hundred years have come into office ‘unelected’.
Irrelevent, I’m calling out Boris on his words in 2007
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Today the UK has sent a message to the world that you can be sacked for lying (twice), be de-rided as unfit for office by your ex-boss, have used racist language multiple times, but as long as you went to Eton and Oxford, 0.3% of the population can make you our PM
#NotMyPM
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BB has asked the wrong question in the OP.
IMO it is not about wanting him to fail (and us with him), it is whether he can succeed (however you define that).
Given the HoC numbers, and the corner he has backed himself into over the EU, the answer looks like "No" to me.
So the real question is how do we get out of this mess?
....GE at the earliest opportunity, probably in the autumn, and then move on with a new HoC.
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Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.
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Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!
I did..
Two posters explicitly said “me” in response to the OP question.
Two..
Three if you include foxbat’s rant.
Two or three out of two pages of responses.. Hardly half.. I respect your opinion but on this case your numbers are wrong..
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No Albie, I asked the right question because it has produced definite proof that people actually do want the country to fail in order to validate their opinion of him.
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whether people 'want him to fail or not ' and bearing in mind Johnson
would say anything that he thought would get him into No. 10,
nothing has really changed. He and his supporters might strut about for a bit but fundamentally he faces the same situation as May did. Brexit is a dud, no matter which snake-oil seller is in No10.
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No Albie, I asked the right question because it has produced definite proof that people actually do want the country to fail in order to validate their opinion of him.
Have to disagree, that’s like wanting your foot all club to get relegated so the manager you dislike would get the sack..
Of course, some will feel like that, but many many won’t..
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Count them then. The last time I counted them about half of those who expressed their opinion on this thread wants Boris to fail!
I did..
Two posters explicitly said “me” in response to the OP question.
Two..
Three if you include foxbat’s rant.
Two or three out of two pages of responses.. Hardly half.. I respect your opinion but on this case your numbers are wrong..
IDM, was you in the same class as Diane Abbott for Maths? 9 people have expressed an opinion of whether or not they want Boris to fail. 5 said NO and 4 said YES!
That is 44% want him to fail!
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Sorry I missed Coventry whatshisname..
So 3 pushing 4 still not half..
What an utterly f**king pointless debate..
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What a f**king bad loser.
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I think this thread will make interesting reading in November, as I understand it we, through the government have to ask for an extension to stay in the EU past the end of October, and that all member countries have also to agree the extension.
Is everyone confident that our new PM will ask for an extension date, or will he use the situation to leave without a deal.
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What a f**king bad loser.
Me.??
Didn’t I say a few posts ago that I respect your opinion.?
Bad loser my arse.!!
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If you think it's an utterly f**king pointless debate why did you get involved?
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Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.
No, I’m one of those that will chage my mind when presented with the facts that proves I was wrong, not a chancer that sits on the fence and waits to see which way the wind blows
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Boris has a job on his hands to unite this country. :laugh:
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I want him to fail. Him to fail. Him, a man who has lied, cheated, blundered and conspired to have a journalist beaten up. He should be no where near the PM job.
I do want the country to succeed. The two are not mutually exclusive. I'm prepared to wait for the country if it means we can get rid of him first.
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If you think it's an utterly f**king pointless debate why did you get involved?
Pedant..
It’s turned into a pointless debate.. begs the question why you started it if you are twisting the responses/.
f**king hell I can’t wait for the football to start!!
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What responses am I twisting?
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I want him to fail. Him to fail. Him, a man who has lied, cheated, blundered and conspired to have a journalist beaten up. He should be no where near the PM job.
I do want the country to succeed. The two are not mutually exclusive. I'm prepared to wait for the country if it means we can get rid of him first.
How on earth can he fail without failing the country? And if/when he does get removed, which squeaky clean replacement do you have in mind?
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Finding this thread highly entertaining, the amount of lefty remoaners on here who have spat their dummy out is hilarious.
Keep it coming! Love it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well Boris?
Well, give him chance to deliver brexit, and when he does he will call a general election and win in a landslide.
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Finding this thread highly entertaining, the amount of lefty remoaners on here who have spat their dummy out is hilarious.
Keep it coming! Love it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Aye. You really, REALLY want the country to unite don't you?
I'll give you my two pennorth.
If Johnson puts a lifetime of lying behind him. If he puts behind him a lifetime of glibly nasty racism, homophobia, sexism and the sort of lib-baiting that that gets a response from certain idiots. If he gets past his legendary lack of interest in detail. If he finds a solution to the Brexit mess that he produced which unites the country that he, personally has divided for his own gain. If he starts to address the existentially serious problems facing our country, like our horrific collapse in productivity growth and our income and wealth inequality, lack.of affordable housing, over-reliance on a bloated financial market, our response to the coming waves of AI and climate change.
If he does all that, I'll take my hat off to him as the greatest PM of my lifetime.
I WANT him to do all those things because I want our country to be lead by people who understand what needs to be done to secure our future.
But I would bet on him to do a single one of them.
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Like I said :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.
This is gold
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Like I said. Lib baiting that amuses certain idiots.
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Filo, Gordon Brown was appointed leader of the Labour party in an uncontested election.
I don't remember Boris lambasting Teresa May for not immediately having an election when she became Prime Minister unopposed.
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Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.
Hmm, low bar
"Which of the following best reflects your reaction to Boris Johnson becoming leader?"
47% ~ Dismayed/disappointed
28% ~ Delighted/pleased
17% ~ Don't mind either way
8% ~ Don't Know
Via @YouGov, 23 July
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1153678839207403521
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It is indeed a low bar Wilts.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1153653277176860672
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It is indeed a low bar Wilts.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1153653277176860672
That's correct. When May took over she had a 34 point lead over Corbyn. Johnson has 14.
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Respect to BST. he has defended his stance on the EU, and has not wavered one bit, but apart from him, who I know is a member of the Labour party, who else voted for GC. to be the leader of the Labour party.
Do people actually vote for who is the leader of a party? or for the party that attracts your vote with its policies?
Anyone who would like the country to fail because of it's leader has a poor outlook on life in my opinion, and of all the party leaders at the moment, probably Boris Johnson is the party leader who has the widest appeal at the moment.
The others are non entities apart from Nigel Farage.
for all the reasons ings e he is not fit for purpose. Why do we have to accept someone like him being the pinnacle of our country.
Because we live in a democracy.
didn't really 100k tories represented a democracy
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What responses am I twisting?
Mine, at least..
Never mind, forget it.. you’re not worth it..
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Like I said. Lib baiting that amuses certain idiots.
Who's baiting? I'm just laughing at you spitting your dummy out again
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Some right lunacy on here. Never mind the OP sucking on the ballsack of an Eton w**ker buffoon.
But what about this codswallop about 'accepting' democracy? A fringe, minority element fights for 30 years to mainstreams an opinion, succeeds, leaving those of us who voted remain now in that minority - but with now apparently no entitlement to fight for that which we believe in. Talk about double standards.
Oh Borris, dear leader, we accept you.
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Like I said. Lib baiting that amuses certain idiots.
Who's baiting? I'm just laughing at you spitting your dummy out again
How bizarre. Where did I spit my dummy out?
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Back to the original question and I don't want Johnson to fail. I want him to succeed - in disappointing at least some of his current cheerleaders when he breaks at least one of the contradictory promises he has made regarding Brexit.
He said he will renegotiate a deal with the EU and it is a million to one chance he can't. The EU say May's deal is the only deal.
He said he can't accept May's deal because of the Irish backstop - the EU have said any deal must have a backstop for the Irish border.
He said we are leaving on 31st October deal or no deal. Parliament has voted against no deal (and from tomorrow will have more people prepared to support that stance)
He said he will prorogue parliament to achieve leaving on 31st October. Parliament has voted against being prorogued.
He said he wont hold a 2nd Referendum/People's Vote
He said he wont hold a General Election
It is impossible for all of the above to be true. Take your pick as to which promise he is going to break and if you then think that means he will have 'failed' or not.
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Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.
No, I’m one of those that will chage my mind when presented with the facts that proves I was wrong, not a chancer that sits on the fence and waits to see which way the wind blows
Filo, that is a terrible thing to say about BB... terrible!
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If accepting a democratic vote and supporting its implementation is sitting on the fence then yes, I'm sitting on the fence!
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I just want somebody to get a grip of the whole mess and sort it. If it’s Boris fair enough. I don’t see anyone else on the Horizon getting things sorted.
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Well Boris?
Well, give him chance to deliver brexit, and when he does he will call a general election and win in a landslide.
Yes like Mrs Thatcher he will get 42% of the votes and get a landslide victory
So 42 in every 100 will want the Tories to Govern them and 58 in every hundred will oppose them. Very democratic
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If accepting a democratic vote and supporting its implementation is sitting on the fence then yes, I'm sitting on the fence!
Hmm., supporting its implementation.. fair enough, in principle, but isn’t it a rolling goatf**k at present.?
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If accepting a democratic vote and supporting its implementation is sitting on the fence then yes, I'm sitting on the fence!
Hmm., supporting its implementation.. fair enough, in principle, but isn’t it a rolling goatf**k at present.?
Good luck getting anything sensible out of BB on the topic of what sort of Brexit deal we should get. If you manage to get something specific, you're a far better man than I.
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If accepting a democratic vote and supporting its implementation is sitting on the fence then yes, I'm sitting on the fence!
Hmm., supporting its implementation.. fair enough, in principle, but isn’t it a rolling goatf**k at present.?
I'm always fair when it comes to principles. It's a sure sign of the lack of principles of other forum members that makes me so controversial.
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BB, thanks, you take the pressure off the rest of us.
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BB, thanks, you take the pressure off the rest of us.
I always find that being right is a great advantage in an argument.
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Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.
No, I’m one of those that will chage my mind when presented with the facts that proves I was wrong, not a chancer that sits on the fence and waits to see which way the wind blows
is that not what the Labour Party are doing filo, first they backed brexit, then were unsure now that the Lib Dem’s and greens have took there vote they now want a 2nd referendum, if somehow boris can get a deal thru the house(which I doubt) they would then no doubt change there mind again
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
I absolutely knew what your response would be. So, so predictable...... And out of touch with reality, as usual!
I absolutely knew that you'd put up such a predictable topic. So, so predictable...... And out of touch with reality, as usual!
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Well Boris?
Ah but as a (supposed) Politician he will either fail to answer that particular question or more likely say something like that was then this is now. Different scenario / horses for courses blah blah f*****g blah
I want to live in a sucessful country but like RTR posted above #61, I (as Kevin Keegan once said) would LOVE it absolutely LOVE it if he was finally exposed as the chancer he looks to be.
I mean COME ON he has angled for the top job since he wanted to be "World King" so much so he did not know which way to position himself in the EU debate and so had 2 speeches / letters written and awaited to see which way to jump that being the one that would bring him closer to his dream job
For the sake of clarity I DO hope he fails spectacularly - however the UK I want to muddle through this current mess and come out of the other side and flourish, though the latter looks less likely that the former
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DW. I suppose when it comes to decision making it's good to weigh up the pros and cons. If it means writing out two essays, one in favour of one side and one in favour of the other so be it. I bet some of the most dedicated Remainers/Brexiters could declare good points on either side.
Perhaps Jezza Corbyn might have given more of an indication of his stance if he'd done the same.
Which squeaky clean politician do you have in mind to replace Boris?
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Filo, are you one of those people who keep saying people have changed their minds in the last three years therfore we should have another referendum.
But will not let give Boris Johnson credit for changing his mind when it suits.
No, I’m one of those that will chage my mind when presented with the facts that proves I was wrong, not a chancer that sits on the fence and waits to see which way the wind blows
is that not what the Labour Party are doing filo, first they backed brexit, then were unsure now that the Lib Dem’s and greens have took there vote they now want a 2nd referendum, if somehow boris can get a deal thru the house(which I doubt) they would then no doubt change there mind again
They're following the line from their Conference Hun x
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BB - I have no faith in any current Politician (other than those who dont have the power to do anything as they are not "career" Politicians). So I dont favour anyone because none of the "career" Politicians tell the truth as you and I are old enough to know and / or have seen
I also have no faith in the FPTP system of voting either - and desperately hope we ditch it soon
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I guarantee that over the next few weeks we’ll see a huge PR campaign to try and convince us that BJ is a reliable and safe PM. Of course, This will totally ignore the fact that he’s utterly ignorant to the reality of life for the vast majority of people in the U.K.
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I want Boris to fail because if he "succeeds" it means lower taxes for the rich, privatisation of the NHS and possibly a big step towards a reliance on medical insurance, fewer opportunites for the working class, greater barriers to social mobility, a stronger voice for the far right, a greater reliance on imports from the US, and potentially a catastrophic no deal brexit.
He stands for nothing apart from himself, he is a proven liar, a genuine charlaton, and will vote for whichever side is winning an argument.
I want him to fail big time.
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I want Boris to fail because if he "succeeds" it means lower taxes for the rich, privatisation of the NHS and possibly a big step towards a reliance on medical insurance, fewer opportunites for the working class, greater barriers to social mobility, a stronger voice for the far right, a greater reliance on imports from the US, and potentially a catastrophic no deal brexit.
He stands for nothing apart from himself, he is a proven liar, a genuine charlaton, and will vote for whichever side is winning an argument.
I want him to fail big time.
Bang on the money, BJW. Anyone who cannot see that deserves him to succeed.
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in his speech he says he wants to restore trust in his democracy. how about a peoples votes and/or a general election then, Boris?
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I think the fundamental problem with BB's original question is becoming clear.
By "fail", it's unclear whether we take that as "fail to implement his policies" or "fail to produce the best outcome for the country."
Clearly, it's possible to succeed in terms of implementing ones policies, while failing the country (think: Chamberlain and Appeasement) and vice versa (think: Cameron promising a Brexit Referendum). So the original question is too simplistic to elicit definitive responses.
Who'd have thought it eh? A simple question could hide all manner of complexity in the answer!
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What a daft question. Who on earth wants our country to fail.
Anyone who assumes that is what other people want should stop and reflect on their own values.
Wasn't such a daft question after all, eh, Billy lad? It appears I assumed right, doesn't it?
Does this thread make you proud?
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To date Mr Johnson has appointed as:
Chancellor - a man who was personally involved in the financial crash
Home Secretary - a woman who supports the re-introduction of hanging, starving Ireland to get a deal and who was sacked by the previous PM for a secret plot for British taxpayers to fund the Israeli Army
Foreign Secretary - a man who didn't realise the importance of Dover as a port
Senior Advisor - a man who has been charged with contempt of parliament
and has begun his campaign to unite the country by sacking anyone who didn't agree with him. Welcome to your new PM people
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Unfortunate timing BB, that last post.
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I think all your posts on this thread have been unfortunate, BST, not just your last one.
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It is truly like talking to a precocious 12 year old who's never had a clip round the ear hole.
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I find it is truly like talking to a bitter and twisted old lefty who has immatured with age.
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Quick......Where's your handful of disciples? They should be queueing up by now!
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Bizarre. Utterly bizarre.
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What's not bizarre is your refusal to answer my questions.
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To date Mr Johnson has appointed as:
Chancellor - a man who was personally involved in the financial crash
Home Secretary - a woman who supports the re-introduction of hanging, starving Ireland to get a deal and who was sacked by the previous PM for a secret plot for British taxpayers to fund the Israeli Army
Foreign Secretary - a man who didn't realise the importance of Dover as a port
Senior Advisor - a man who has been charged with contempt of parliament
and has begun his campaign to unite the country by sacking anyone who didn't agree with him. Welcome to your new PM people
Complete w****r
Him not you of course Wilts
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Just seen Johnson's speech outside No10.
Once you get past the stupid, vacuous bombast, it's possible the most frightening speech I've ever heard from a British PM.
He hammers on about how the backstop cannot be accepted and how he will strike a new deal. But he KNOWS there's no new deal to be had without the backstop. He KNOWS. So what he's doing, is, once again, deceiving people into thinking Brussels is the baddy.
And then, this is where it gets really worrying.
He says, if by some vanishingly small chance, Brussels doesn't give him his better deal (totally undefined...sound familiar...?) then we'd have no option but to leave with no deal. That's the Bulldog Spirit! Whipping up the easily fooled into a frenzy of patriotism.
But.
He KNOWS what the effect of No Deal would be. He was reported to be "visibly shaken" by a briefing on the problems that we'd face in the event of No Deal. He has no intention of taking us to No Deal because that would be a calamity.
But he DOES have the intention of forcing Parliament to stop him. Thereby making MPs the baddies again. The ones who will have the ire of the 15m people that he's deceived for 3 years turned on them.
He's a Kitson. A self-serving, amoral Kitson who will rip this country apart to further his aims.
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Reasonable summary by John Rentoul in the Indy;
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-reshuffle-cabinet-patel-raab-general-election-a9019661.html
Drive towards the cliff at a reckless speed, force opponents to put the brakes on, call a "back me or sack me" GE on the Brexit pledge, get Nige to oppose Labour in Leave areas......and maybe get 5 years to run riot.
Cabinet chosen for loyalty to Brexit and dedication to personal advancement.
So maybe the answer to the OP is that Boris wants to fail....in the first instance, in order to dig in deeper for the long haul?
The arrival of Cummins is ominous...... a big beast among a retinue of low grade under achievers.
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So Albie. You're now seeing the summer/autumn I was describing back in the spring. What does Labour do now? Twiddle its thumbs, mumble stuff about maybe-this, maybe-that and wait for Conference?
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The blue touch paper has been lit, I just hope it's boris that explodes and not the country.
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BST,
I sometimes think that you don't really get politics!
You have argued for months that Ref2 should be the aim.
That was what your main argument was back in the spring. It was never a front runner.
The idea that the opposition could have changed the geometry with a policy change is away with the faeries.
That was never going to be an attraction to a Borump administration.....only risks to handle, a potentially indecisive outcome,
and no change in the HoC numbers to make the government viable.
Borump knows that his only chance is to get a mandate which gives him authority to continue, if he fails to bully the HoC with the "No Deal" default.
Even if he did manage to push through "No Deal", a GE would be required to shift the power blockage.
Farrago will need to be fed with an interest in the outcome beyond the rejection of "No Deal" by the HoC.
What does Labour do.....move a vote of confidence in September, after the Party conference.
That is realistically all it can do.
I have more faith than you in Labour going into an election, once Borump has shown his true colours.
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To be honest I am glad I am well out of this mess. Only thing connecting me to the UK is my passport. The fact that Iran is just over the water from me is worrying me less than being back in the UK in this calamity would be.
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Very good point bahrain rover - and sad that I am the polar opposite
Sat in Thorne watching, seeing and listening as our Country "goes to the dogs" and like some on here old enough to have seen most things in the past and yet the current mess (not exclusively leaving the EU either) is really for me totally unprecedented
I try not to read and certainly NOT to write anything in the politicised section of the Forum because as the Referendum and other issues are so divisive no argument could ever be won
.... here I am again though lol. Good luck with Iran and I am sure the Passport will (one day) probably be back to its near best :scarf:
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And labour seize on the opportunity and steam in decisively https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1154005372753129474?s=19
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Albie.
There's a General Election coming up in Sept/Oct.
Labour are polling at levels unseen by anyone under 100 years old. They have lost several million Remain supporters to a LD party which has been ressucitated by Labour's Brexit policy. The party leader has the worst approval figures of any LotO since records began but is untouchable.
All of that was predictable and predicted. (It was predicted by me two years ago actually, but you crack on lecturing me about what I don't know about politics.) And it was clear 8 months ago that Labour's only sensible electoral strategy was unequivocal support for Ref2. Not because they could implement Ref2 in this Parliamentary environment. But because it was the least bad electoral stance. But Labour has f**ked that up. They have zero credibility on the Ref 2 stance now because it is clear to everyone that the leader, controlled by his tiny group of ideological guardians, doesn't want that.
You assume the people who have deserted Labour on a matter of profound principle will come flocking back, yet you yourself didn't vote Labour in 2010, thus facilitating this decade of Tory rule. Why were your principles so sacrosanct while everyone else's are malleable?
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BST,
Labour are not behind in the polls.....on average of recent polls they are in the lead, albeit on a 4 way split.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
Check the moving average.
Only YouGov polls for Murdoch, which have been the most inaccurate, show Labour lower than the others.
Whether the recent pattern persists is highly doubtful. The last 7 days before a vote is the crucial period for moving opinion.
Polling in this environment has a wide margin of error.
The Ref2 debate is a sideshow in terms of the run up to a GE.
Your inability to recognise that you have been chasing a rabbit down a hole is the most depressing episode in the discussion on here.
Any consideration of Ref2 only comes into play if Cummins chooses that in preference to a GE....which seems to me very unlikely.
The idea Labour should take "the least bad electoral stance" so far away from an election, and in opposition to policy agreed at conference, is plain silly.
The time to finesse an election strategy is through the manifesto, once a date is finalised.
A GE is unlikely in September IMO. Late October/November more likely I think.
You missed the key point that Cummins is now in charge....Borump is just the song and dance man for the media circus.
How I vote is none of your business, btw.
Please do not make claims about how others vote that you cannot possibly know.
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Now now boys, play nicely!
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No one wants to see Boris fail because if he fails the country fails. We all want to see him get a great deal for our country.
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if only that was true Keith.
If only that was true!
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And I want to win £120 million on the lottery but that isn't going to happen either.
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And I want to win £120 million on the lottery but that isn't going to happen either.
When you don't win just demand they have a re-draw until you do win.
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if only that was true Keith.
If only that was true!
And I want to win £120 million on the lottery but that isn't going to happen either.
When you don't win just demand they have a re-draw until you do win.
Well it worked for Farage didn't it BB.😉
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Wasting your time, Idler. He'll just come back and accuse you of not answering a question he asked.
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if only that was true Keith.
If only that was true!
And I want to win £120 million on the lottery but that isn't going to happen either.
When you don't win just demand they have a re-draw until you do win.
Well it worked for Farage didn't it BB.😉
Not at Peterborough, it didn't! ;)
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Wasting your time, Idler. He'll just come back and accuse you of not answering a question he asked.
What question would that be? That is the question.
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And I want to win £120 million on the lottery but that isn't going to happen either.
When you don't win just demand they have a re-draw until you do win.
Brilliant BB; keep'em coming mate, keep'em coming. You've got them all on the run again.
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Eeh! Eh, how queer missus. Eh? Where's me washboard? 'Ere, missus! If you're not happy, why don't you demand another vote, eh? Eeeh!
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Mr Tears, I do the funnies, you, er.........Don't.
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boris may end up in a relationship with parliament comparable to charles 1.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Reality bites, Juncker has told him to stick to the WA so it's this or no-deal then? maybe an election is on the way.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Reality bites, Juncker has told him to stick to the WA so it's this or no-deal then? maybe an election is on the way.
I think that's more than likely, though the new government will now be looking to see how Ireland etc react, they'll be wanting them to blink.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Reality bites, Juncker has told him to stick to the WA so it's this or no-deal then? maybe an election is on the way.
I think that's more than likely, though the new government will now be looking to see how Ireland etc react, they'll be wanting them to blink.
Ireland are just as obligated to maintain the integrity of the Single Market as every other member of it. It's not down to them alone.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Reality bites, Juncker has told him to stick to the WA so it's this or no-deal then? maybe an election is on the way.
I think that's more than likely, though the new government will now be looking to see how Ireland etc react, they'll be wanting them to blink.
Ireland are just as obligated to maintain the integrity of the Single Market as every other member of it. It's not down to them alone.
No, but the EU's stance is about standing by Ireland isn't it?
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Something like this scenario, possibly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Reality bites, Juncker has told him to stick to the WA so it's this or no-deal then? maybe an election is on the way.
I think that's more than likely, though the new government will now be looking to see how Ireland etc react, they'll be wanting them to blink.
Ireland are just as obligated to maintain the integrity of the Single Market as every other member of it. It's not down to them alone.
No, but the EU's stance is about standing by Ireland isn't it?
In maintaining that integrity of the Single Market, yes, and not letting the Irish border become a smuggler's paradise and a gateway to illegally entering goods into the Single Market because there's no border controls. It also doesn't mean the EU have left any decisions to the Irish.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Something like this scenario, possibly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440
On a similar theme...
https://mobile.twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/1154678383667798016?p=v
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Something like this scenario, possibly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440
Looks pretty much exactly what I've been saying for the past 3 months
That's the point that Albie and the Corbynistas don't get. Labour being pro-Ref2 is not about Ref2. It's about positioning for a Sept/Oct Election. And I fear they've left it way too late.
Johnson tacks right, plays the "Brussels is bullying us and Parliament won't let me do No Deal" card to neutralise Farage's threat and get the Tory vote share up to 35%.
And Labour now does...well, what exactly? Say to the supporters who have switched to the LDs, "we know we've spent the past while calling you Red Tory, Blairite, Centrist, smug metropolitan w**kers and we know we've given you three years of mixed messages on Brexit, but will you vote for us now please?"
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Wasting your time, Idler. He'll just come back and accuse you of not answering a question he asked.
What question would that be? That is the question.
I'm not answering that.
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I think The Rovers will have a better winter Than the Labour Party, and are less likely to lose their manager.
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They could do with a couple of clever right-wingers to provide balance.
Mind you, Rovers could do with that too.
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Then again, he may just succeed.
His whole mantra though is similar to what BST says imo. He's playing for an election and as it stands his strategy would probably give him a huge majority I think.
Something like this scenario, possibly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/syrpis/status/1154286327699005440
Looks pretty much exactly what I've been saying for the past 3 months
That's the point that Albie and the Corbynistas don't get. Labour being pro-Ref2 is not about Ref2. It's about positioning for a Sept/Oct Election. And I fear they've left it way too late.
Johnson tacks right, plays the "Brussels is bullying us and Parliament won't let me do No Deal" card to neutralise Farage's threat and get the Tory vote share up to 35%.
And Labour now does...well, what exactly? Say to the supporters who have switched to the LDs, "we know we've spent the past while calling you Red Tory, Blairite, Centrist, smug metropolitan w**kers and we know we've given you three years of mixed messages on Brexit, but will you vote for us now please?"
[/quote. Got to agree with you, the more boris shouts no deal the less he has to lose, he will either get the no deal he wants or do exactly what you said either way he will say labour stood on the fence or blocked what he was trying to do
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Sorry people but it seems some of Mr Johnson's supporters have yet to get the memo - there are now new rules in place as to what you may and may not say, how you may say it and how you must address other forum users.
Just to be clear this is not a return to the Rt Hon Mr Blair's nanny state but a return to the way things were done when Britain was a great power and people knew their place - the 18th century.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1154782412557168643
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About f**king time!
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That boris is willing to sacrifice the peace in Ireland to satisfy his own ambitions comes as no surprise to anyone familiar with the party he represents and that he is brushing aside the past three years of negotiations and efforts from May in the face of outright hostility from the EU to renegotiate and the US to support him has all the hallmarks of and ageing white male with an ego large enough to match his arse.
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What does it matter if he is white or not?
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If I said I went round London today and saw lots of young black teenagers that were the knife carrying type you would call me a racist and rightly so, you seem ok with stereotyping people thou
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If I said I went round London today and saw lots of young black teenagers that were the knife carrying type you would call me a racist and rightly so, you seem ok with stereotyping people thou
What does it matter if he is white or not?
It would matter not a jot if he were not a racist himself, but there you are he is.
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What does it matter if he is white or not?
You reckon he'd be PM if he had exactly the same personality and history but was black?
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What does it matter if he is white or not?
It's difficult to argue that he's not!
Also the people who elected him were predominantly aged white males so he must fit the characteristic of what they want in a leader. There's no point pretending otherwise. You bought it - you own it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48395211
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If I said I went round London today and saw lots of young black teenagers that were the knife carrying type you would call me a racist and rightly so, you seem ok with stereotyping people thou
What does it matter if he is white or not?
It would matter not a jot if he were not a racist himself, but there you are he is.
I wondered how long it would be before one of the usual culprits introduced the inevitable race card.
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What does it matter if he is white or not?
You reckon he'd be PM if he had exactly the same personality and history but was black?
Would Diane Abbott be shadow home secretary if she had the same personality and history but was White?
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What does it matter if he is white or not?
You reckon he'd be PM if he had exactly the same personality and history but was black?
Would Diane Abbott be deputy home secretary if she had the same personality and history but was White?
When did Boris appoint her?? :facepalm:
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Well pointed out. Just goes to show that even I can be wr......wro........wro....... imprecise on occasions, even though it was just a one-word mistake.
Now rectified, the point I made is 100% valid, as per usual.
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Good job I quoted it for all to see how important even just one word is, isn't it?
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Well, that's what you're good at Mr Wiggerly. Your role of proofreading other people's posts with a fine-tooth comb is as always your best form of contribution.
Thanks again for your input.
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https://www.racing.com/horses/black-caviar-2006 :pinch:
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The Cunmings and goings and respect for parliament from the country's new leader as he grapples with truth and justice.
''Boris Johnson’s key adviser must face sanctions, demand MPs
Prime minister blasted for ‘terrible error of judgement’ in making Dominic Cummings – found in contempt of parliament - his aide''
https://beano
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/28/dominic-cummings-must-face-sanctions-demand-leading-mps
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You think that's bad Sydney - wait until you read this overview of who Johnson has appointed and who they represent. A government of corporate lobbists ruling for the ultra-rich:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/welcome-to-boris-johnsons-government-of-all-the-lobbyists/
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You think that's bad Sydney - wait until you read this overview of who Johnson has appointed and who they represent. A government of corporate lobbists ruling for the ultra-rich:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/welcome-to-boris-johnsons-government-of-all-the-lobbyists/
Thanks Wilts, same problem here of course, maybe worse as MPs flout the FOI laws
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-24/lobbying-gifts-jobs-relationships-and-donations-affect-democracy/10282852
George Brandis Spent Over $168,000 Of Taxpayers' Money Trying To Keep His Diary A Secret
''To recap, in the Abbott government's first budget, there were millions of dollars cut from legal aid funding and the arts sector, both in Brandis' portfolio.
Labor's shadow attorney-general, Mark Dreyfus, filed a freedom of information request for Brandis' Outlook calendar for the period of September 2013, until May 2014 to see if Brandis had met with those two sectors prior to the cuts being announced''
https://www.buzzfeed.com/joshtaylor/george-brandis-spent-over-168000-of-taxpayers-money-trying
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The danger for Johnson is of course polls such as this;
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll/boris-bounce-conservatives-surge-in-opinion-poll-idUKKCN1UM0NJ
Believe it too much and he'll make the same mistake May did (albeit he is a hugely better campaigner than her).
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The danger for Johnson is of course polls such as this;
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll/boris-bounce-conservatives-surge-in-opinion-poll-idUKKCN1UM0NJ
Believe it too much and he'll make the same mistake May did (albeit he is a hugely better campaigner than her).
Everybody loves a clown, apparently.