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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: bobjimwilly on August 15, 2019, 08:14:10 am
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So labour wants to form a temporary alternative government, but the lib dems have said they'll do anything to prevent no deal APART FROM working with Corbyn.
My question is: how can they form a coalition with the Tories but not Labour?
Which of Corbyns policies are they so against?
Am I missing the key thing that makes him the anti-christ?
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Nothing wrong with his domestic policies.
It's his perceived support for terrorist organisations like Hamas and the foolish statements he makes about things like the Salisbury attacks; and his failure to deal with anti sematism.
(Which mainly isn't anti sematism, more anti Israeli government which had spilled over into something more sinister)
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So labour wants to form a temporary alternative government, but the lib dems have said they'll do anything to prevent no deal APART FROM working with Corbyn.
My question is: how can they form a coalition with the Tories but not Labour?
Which of Corbyns policies are they so against?
Am I missing the key thing that makes him the anti-christ?
As it stands they are going to make a huge amount of gains from labour, particularly in London. Why would they work with him as it will cost them and they've had that lesson already?
Every single one of them is self and party first, agenda second - except ironcially probably Theresa May.
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BFYP, the irony is that Theresa May did put party first, she wasn't interested in a cross party agreement. Corbyn would have supported a Brexit deal like a Norway style.
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BFYP, the irony is that Theresa May did put party first, she wasn't interested in a cross party agreement. Corbyn would have supported a Brexit deal like a Norway style.
Yep when did May want to talk to any other party? only right at the end in desperation but even then she went in with red-lines which made her efforts disingenuous.
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Surely the lib dems could swallow their pride for a few month until the general election, especially if they are confident they will take enough seats to be the majority in a coalition government?
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Surely the lib dems could swallow their pride for a few month until the general election, especially if they are confident they will take enough seats to be the majority in a coalition government?
You'd think so but maybe they see one of their own in the big job?
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Surely the lib dems could swallow their pride for a few month until the general election, especially if they are confident they will take enough seats to be the majority in a coalition government?
But I suspect they are not, if Labour sieze that power back they aren't confident they'll take those seats are they?
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So labour wants to form a temporary alternative government, but the lib dems have said they'll do anything to prevent no deal APART FROM working with Corbyn.
My question is: how can they form a coalition with the Tories but not Labour?
Which of Corbyns policies are they so against?
Am I missing the key thing that makes him the anti-christ?
No party has to go into coalition with Labour at all. They only have to vote with them to achieve what they want regarding Brexit.
EDIT: Just watching Swinson on TV at the moment - she is willing to support someone respected by all sides of the House (Ken Clarke or Harriet Harman, for example), who has no ambition to be PM long-term.
So it's not about his politics per se, but because she's concerned that once he's PM, even if only short-term, it will give him more gravitas in an election than he deserves and will therefore benefit him electorally at the expense of the LibDems.
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Glyn
That's exactly what it is.
Both Lab and LDs are playing this for party advantage.
Problem is, if we're going to stop No Deal, one side now has to back down and will consequently look weak.
Once more, we're looking for strategic statesmen and we've got tactical duckers and divers.
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boris said he'd unite the country, well it looks like he's doing it, it's uniting against him!
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Positive noises from everyone bar the LD leadership though. And some senior LD folks are telling them to be sensible. Maybe this is the way out. Although it still needs 12-15 Tories which may be the sticking point.
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Yep, this is a really positive turn, early days but positive.
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There are no depths which the anti democratic forces will not sink to get their own way and override the referendum result. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect there will be no Brexit at all as the powers of darkness will use every trick in the book to keep their snouts in the EU trough at the expense of normal folk.
There is no point in voting in any election from now on, as it seems that MPs are happy to ignore the wishes of their constituents and do their own thing.
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Positive noises from everyone bar the LD leadership though. And some senior LD folks are telling them to be sensible. Maybe this is the way out. Although it still needs 12-15 Tories which may be the sticking point.
Exactly. Andrew Burt was on the news this morning. Although he's a leaver he will vote against a No Deal. But he won't if it means Corbyn as PM. These are the MPs that you need to woo to stop No Deal, so let's see just how much compromising Corbyn is really prepared to do to stop No Deal.
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There are no depths which the anti democratic forces will not sink to get their own way and override the referendum result. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect there will be no Brexit at all as the powers of darkness will use every trick in the book to keep their snouts in the EU trough at the expense of normal folk.
There is no point in voting in any election from now on, as it seems that MPs are happy to ignore the wishes of their constituents and do their own thing.
Teresa May happily ignored the wishes of her constituents for three years by trying to make Brexit happen. I don't recall you ever moaning about that being undemocratic.
PS MPs are elected to do their own thing. That's how British democracy has worked since the Middle Ages.
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There are no depths which the anti democratic forces will not sink to get their own way and override the referendum result. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect there will be no Brexit at all as the powers of darkness will use every trick in the book to keep their snouts in the EU trough at the expense of normal folk.
There is no point in voting in any election from now on, as it seems that MPs are happy to ignore the wishes of their constituents and do their own thing.
Teresa May happily ignored the wishes of her constituents for three years by trying to make Brexit happen. I don't recall you ever moaning about that being undemocratic.
PS MPs are elected to do their own thing. That's how British democracy has worked since the Middle Ages.
I voted for mine because he supported Brexit. What's the point of voting for someone who is going to do the opposite of what you elected them to do? The tories should give the elbow to any MPs trying to block Brexit.
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Anti-democratic forces...
...or, elected MPs as the rest of us call them.
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Anti-democratic forces...
...or, elected MPs as the rest of us call them.
Ignoring the result of the referendum. Pigs with their snouts in the trough.
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There are no depths which the anti democratic forces will not sink to get their own way and override the referendum result. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect there will be no Brexit at all as the powers of darkness will use every trick in the book to keep their snouts in the EU trough at the expense of normal folk.
There is no point in voting in any election from now on, as it seems that MPs are happy to ignore the wishes of their constituents and do their own thing.
I hope you are right on the not leaving front
I know I have said this (perhaps ONLY this) on here before but the electorate voted narrowly to leave and thats fine.
However in 75 when the vote to remain was 66 to 34 (ten times the 2016 majority) it was those same MPs (or your powers of darkness) that would not let that result "stick" and they have tried every trick in the book to get another crack at getting us out
It split their Party (mainly Tories) and when they got to this point it has now split the electorate from top to bottom. I agree (again) that a lot of things have changed since 75 (lost of the people on here have probably been born since then lol) and I honestly dont know the answer
One answer would have been for Cameron NOT to give in to their wishes but if he had to he should have said " we need a result of at least 60% Leave for any changes to be promoted"
Second answer is to have some king of PR and then maybe - just maybe - we would not have got into this state in the first place
My opinion could be a heap of s**t of course but it is nothing compared to the hourly daily and weekly doses of s**t that I have to endure on Telly and elsewhere re f*****g b****t.
I am heartily sick of it and there is no escape
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There are no depths which the anti democratic forces will not sink to get their own way and override the referendum result. The longer this goes on, the more I suspect there will be no Brexit at all as the powers of darkness will use every trick in the book to keep their snouts in the EU trough at the expense of normal folk.
There is no point in voting in any election from now on, as it seems that MPs are happy to ignore the wishes of their constituents and do their own thing.
Teresa May happily ignored the wishes of her constituents for three years by trying to make Brexit happen. I don't recall you ever moaning about that being undemocratic.
PS MPs are elected to do their own thing. That's how British democracy has worked since the Middle Ages.
I voted for mine because he supported Brexit. What's the point of voting for someone who is going to do the opposite of what you elected them to do? The tories should give the elbow to any MPs trying to block Brexit.
MPs are elected to represent everyone in their constituency. Not just those who voted for them.
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So it's ok for them to go against the majority view to suit their own ends?
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So it's ok for them to go against the majority view to suit their own ends?
Yes, they are elected to use their own judgenent on behalf of their constituents. Including those that didn't vote for them. That's what a representative democracy is and has been for centuries in Britain. If you don't like it how things are done in Britain perhaps you'd like to follow the advice of the EDL and move to a country whose system you do like?
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
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Huge tactical mistake by Swinton here that I am sure wont be forgotten in any election campaign (as I mentioned on another thread). SNP, Plaid and Dominic Grieve have all said they want to talk to Labour about the plan - but Swinton wont.
Have a guess which far-left, marxist supporter did say this about Corbyn's offer tho (not much of a challenge as it tells you in the link)
“I certainly take the view that a short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guto-bebb-corbyn-pm-government-block-no-deal-brexit-boris-a9061261.html
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Huge tactical mistake by Swinton here that I am sure wont be forgotten in any election campaign (as I mentioned on another thread). SNP, Plaid and Dominic Grieve have all said they want to talk to Labour about the plan - but Swinton wont.
Have a guess which far-left, marxist supporter did say this about Corbyn's offer tho (not much of a challenge as it tells you in the link)
“I certainly take the view that a short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guto-bebb-corbyn-pm-government-block-no-deal-brexit-boris-a9061261.html
When did Swinson say she won't talk to Labour? Today she said she'd talk to anyone about stopping No Deal but won't countenance Corbyn as PM.
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Huge tactical mistake by Swinton here that I am sure wont be forgotten in any election campaign (as I mentioned on another thread). SNP, Plaid and Dominic Grieve have all said they want to talk to Labour about the plan - but Swinton wont.
Have a guess which far-left, marxist supporter did say this about Corbyn's offer tho (not much of a challenge as it tells you in the link)
“I certainly take the view that a short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guto-bebb-corbyn-pm-government-block-no-deal-brexit-boris-a9061261.html
When did Swinson say she won't talk to Labour? Today she said she'd talk to anyone about stopping No Deal but won't countenance Corbyn as PM.
The Lib Dems are the most opportunistic, untrustworthy, undemocratic party in politics. You Remainers should be worried, because if any party's going to f*ck it up for you it's them.
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Not while Boris lives and breathes they ain't.
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Not while Boris lives and breathes they ain't.
What? If he offers them jobs they'll get into bed with him.
It's not as if they haven't got form for this kind of thing.
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Not while Boris lives and breathes they ain't.
What? If he offers them jobs they'll get into bed with him.
It's not as if they haven't got form for this kind of thing.
Not unless he does a backflip and cancels Brexit they won't.
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Huge tactical mistake by Swinton here that I am sure wont be forgotten in any election campaign (as I mentioned on another thread). SNP, Plaid and Dominic Grieve have all said they want to talk to Labour about the plan - but Swinton wont.
Have a guess which far-left, marxist supporter did say this about Corbyn's offer tho (not much of a challenge as it tells you in the link)
“I certainly take the view that a short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guto-bebb-corbyn-pm-government-block-no-deal-brexit-boris-a9061261.html
When did Swinson say she won't talk to Labour? Today she said she'd talk to anyone about stopping No Deal but won't countenance Corbyn as PM.
The Lib Dems are the most opportunistic, untrustworthy, undemocratic party in politics. You Remainers should be worried, because if any party's going to f*ck it up for you it's them.
Surely Boris has raised the bar for all challengers.
Anybody that can't see Boris for what he is, whether remainer or Brexiter is thick.
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Huge tactical mistake by Swinton here that I am sure wont be forgotten in any election campaign (as I mentioned on another thread). SNP, Plaid and Dominic Grieve have all said they want to talk to Labour about the plan - but Swinton wont.
Have a guess which far-left, marxist supporter did say this about Corbyn's offer tho (not much of a challenge as it tells you in the link)
“I certainly take the view that a short-term Jeremy Corbyn government is less damaging than the generational damage that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/guto-bebb-corbyn-pm-government-block-no-deal-brexit-boris-a9061261.html
When did Swinson say she won't talk to Labour? Today she said she'd talk to anyone about stopping No Deal but won't countenance Corbyn as PM.
The Lib Dems are the most opportunistic, untrustworthy, undemocratic party in politics. You Remainers should be worried, because if any party's going to f*ck it up for you it's them.
Surely Boris has raised the bar for all challengers.
Anybody that can't see Boris for what he is, whether remainer or Brexiter is thick.
Can you see Chuka Umunna for what he is? If you can, then please tell us all, seeing as he's been in 3 different political parties in less than 12 months.
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Seriously, who gives feck about Chukka Umunna? Does he have any importance regarding anything to anyone but his constituents?
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Last time I checked, Chukka Umunna wasn't Prime Minister. He was a preening nobody.
Whereas the Prime Minister was a venal, egotistical compulsive liar who couldn't keep his cock in his trousers and who would wear lederhosen, smoke Gauloise, eat paella and change his name to Sven Garibaldi if he thought it would advance his career.
You see the difference?
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Last time I checked, Chukka Umunna wasn't Prime Minister. He was a preening nobody.
Whereas the Prime Minister was a venal, egotistical compulsive liar who couldn't keep his cock in his trousers and who would wear lederhosen, smoke Gauloise, eat paella and change his name to Sven Garibaldi if he thought it would advance his career.
You see the difference?
I wouldn't have used the past tense when talking about Boris like you did.
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Last time I checked Glyn.
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would you trust boris in the same trench Steve?
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Boris would be back at home shagging the wives and writing victory and defeat speeches to cover every eventuality.
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Swinson has shot herself in the foot with her first move as LD leader.
Senior LD's are in a rage about her stance without consultation, and she is looking very isolated as a result.
Not got 2 brain cells to rub together, I'm afraid.
It will be interesting to see the result in her constituency come the new GE!
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She knows exactly what she's doing in her constituency.
Have a look at the historical record of voting there.
Used to be a Lab/Con contest. Two big changes.
The Tories became toxic in the 90s and the LDs picked up a lot of their vote.
Labour became toxic in the 2010s and the SNP picked up their vote.
It's now a LD/SNP marginal. Swindon's problem is that she relies on right of centre votes. So she can't support Corbyn.
Labour can play on this, sure, but it's a risky strategy. She might we'll stick to the line of not accepting Corbyn as caretaker PM, even if it f**ks up the anti- No Deal approach and hammers the LDs as a result.
What would be the point of Labour destroying the LDs over that, if we have a No Deal Brexit as part of the collateral damage?
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
Judging by your offensive comments aimed directly at me I would suggest that you have no interest at all in democracy.
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
Judging by your offensive comments aimed directly at me I would suggest that you have no interest at all in democracy.
Democracy inherently includes freedom of speech, so exercising that freedom cannot be anything but democratic itself.
Besides, which comments directed at you have you taken offense to? I'd love to compare them to comments that you've come out with.
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
Judging by your offensive comments aimed directly at me I would suggest that you have no interest at all in democracy.
Just wondering if you have ever seen Prime Ministers Questions (held in the supposed Mother of all Parliaments)
There Corbyn fires insults as May and she reciprocates - then with her gone Johnson is in the firing line
The SNP / PC and DUP queue up none moreso than the SNP leader
Does that mean they too have no interest in Democracy
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
Judging by your offensive comments aimed directly at me I would suggest that you have no interest at all in democracy.
Democracy inherently includes freedom of speech, so exercising that freedom cannot be anything but democratic itself.
Besides, which comments directed at you have you taken offense to? I'd love to compare them to comments that you've come out with.
If you want to make something out of it i'll come down the Keepmoat for a meetup for some freedom of speech.
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Perhaps you could follow Glynn the country would be a far happier place without people like you
What, people who know how democracy works in this country? I happen to like how democracy works in this country, thank you, so I don't need to move. I've never even been abroad for a holiday.
Judging by your offensive comments aimed directly at me I would suggest that you have no interest at all in democracy.
Democracy inherently includes freedom of speech, so exercising that freedom cannot be anything but democratic itself.
Besides, which comments directed at you have you taken offense to? I'd love to compare them to comments that you've come out with.
If you want to make something out of it i'll come down the Keepmoat for a meetup for some freedom of speech.
Why do we need to meet to utilise our freedom of speech? Unless you're implying that you don't want to talk, of course.
Any news of those 'offensive' comments of mine yet?
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So it's ok for them to go against the majority view to suit their own ends?
If you don't like it how things are done in Britain perhaps you'd like to follow the advice of the EDL and move to a country whose system you do like?
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So it's ok for them to go against the majority view to suit their own ends?
If you don't like it how things are done in Britain perhaps you'd like to follow the advice of the EDL and move to a country whose system you do like?
What about that do you find offensive? Given that the EDL quite vociferously told people who they thought didn't like how Britain's political system works to leave the country, and that you were complaining about Britain's political system not being what you either imagine or want it to be, it's a perfectly reasonable question.
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What the hell has the EDL got to do with me?
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What the hell has the EDL got to do with me?
I never said they had anything to with you. I'm talking about what the EDL said about people who don't like how Britian is run and how it's to do with you similarly not liking how Britain is run. What's offensive about that? Is it as offensive as being told you've no interest in democracy?
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I would have thought anyone with an interest in democracy would be happy for us to leave the EU as per the referendum result.
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I would have thought anyone with an interest in democracy would be happy for us to leave the EU as per the referendum result.
If we leave, we leave. I still think it'll be the stupidest thing the country will ever do and the number of people who voted for it isn't going to change my mind. The Norway option is the least harmful, because we'd still be in the Single Market. I could live with that, so how would that be anti-democratic? I believe that No Deal is so harmful tot he country that democracy should reign and the people should vote for it specifically, fully knowing the implications.
Anyway, back to what was it about what I said that think is in the slightest bit offensive..?