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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: adamtherover on August 18, 2019, 07:57:00 pm
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Am I the only one who had their heart in their mouths every 5 minutes. I'm sure the players are under orders, but passing it along the back.line time after time leads to one thing. We lose.possession and gift a chance to the opposition. This must have happened 4 or 5 times, and tha fully we didnt lose a goal. But at some stage they must learn from in game incidents.
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I like this tactic. It's takes courage and patience for this to work.
It's about drawing the opposition forward so you can break the lines.
I hate "get rid of it" and playing safe football. For me, if you get rid of it for a throwing or corner, or even to their left back, you've conceded possession.
Take risks and exploit the spaces.
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I like this tactic. It's takes courage and patience for this to work.
It's about drawing the opposition forward so you can break the lines.
I hate "get rid of it" and playing safe football. For me, if you get rid of it for a throwing or corner, or even to their left back, you've conceded possession.
Take risks and exploit the spaces.
I am a big fan of it too.
Keep the ball, keep it moving and look for the front players movement.
There isn’t much point in a team like ours lumping it forward as inevitably we are going to lose possession.
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I don't mean revert to the long ball aftwrb5 mins, hell no, but passing it across to a man under pressure already is madness. If we are gonna adopt that tactic, at least try and pick out a midfielder , so at leas if the ball is lost. Its. Not in a danger zone..
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It's a means to an end. Stick with it, they will get better.
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It has already cost us the game at Grimsby, and money in that competition, and could have, and probably should have cost us the points in this game.
Teams will take notice, and press higher up the field, and passing across your own goal is the most dangerous ball in football, especially without knowing or realising where the opposition players are on the field.
Repeatedly getting caught out is a problem, and yesterday we had a problem.
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We do play a few hospital passes at times, yes. But that'll disappear with time.
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The midfielders have to find space and make themselves available. When we do it well, we look very good but it takes hard work and practice. You have to take risks now and again but calculated risks.
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We do play a few hospital passes at times, yes. But that'll disappear with time.
This. It might not work brilliantly at the moment but will improve with time and draw out attackers to allow for space. "Getting rid" just usually gives away possession.
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Gerritt forrad!!!!😂
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It has already cost us the game at Grimsby, and money in that competition, and could have, and probably should have cost us the points in this game.
Teams will take notice, and press higher up the field, and passing across your own goal is the most dangerous ball in football, especially without knowing or realising where the opposition players are on the field.
Repeatedly getting caught out is a problem, and yesterday we had a problem.
Like I said, it's a risk that we will lose games but needs patience, trust and bravery for it to work.
Once DM has got the personnel to execute this style of play, it's going to be a joy to watch.
Move the ball, move the player.
Football is about Movement, space and time
Movement into space = time
More time for us, less time for them.
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Swansea used to do it brilliantly. Their keeper was like an extra outfield player.
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It was clear even in the Gillingham game that Moore wants us playing out from the back, looking better already, this could be really clicking by game 10, Sheaf looks way to casual for my liking though, very ‘the arsenal way’
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I recall the tactic of back passing being raised by someone at one of the MTO meetings and it was scoffed at. I understand the concern but it is clearly a tactic accepted by our various coaches.
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There isn’t anything wrong with the tactic unless the midfield and forwards are playing statues which they did for a good amount of the game. Once they start to make runs and movement to pull defenders etc out of position it will get better
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All the best teams play that way.
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Gerritt forrad!!!!😂
a young kid sat behind me only about about 6-7 kept shout just wack it away made me laugh , Moore has a style of play and it will come good
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I actually thought we played too safe at times and didnt take enough risks. Risks often bring better rewards, playing safe sees you finish 10th.
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We have to know when the opposition is really on it for a press especially early in in a game if we have a few wobbles it sets the tone for the match. Other than that I think it’s the right thing to do just got to mix it up when needed
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Every team in the country plays this way, for the simple reason every coach in the country does the same coaching badges. Great if you're Liverpool or Man City (even they **** it up some times) but we're not.
The op has a good point here though. Had Ched Evans played Saturday or Madden the full game, we'd have probably got caught out. Andersons sideways passes, along with Sheaf and even occasionally Whiteman were at times terrible - even 10 yard passes going well astray - but it's something that's not going to change, because as I said, coaches are coached to show players to play that way
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It looks like fannying around because we haven’t got it perfected yet...but once it clicks it will be very effective...I do agree that there are “ heart in mouth” moments but we have to persevere whilst they fine tune it...
Lots of squeaky bum times ahead ...lol
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It’s not the passing, it’s when they are passing, and the movement in front of them. They should never be scared to go long though, especially with the pace of our new additions
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It’s not the passing, it’s when they are passing, and the movement in front of them. They should never be scared to go long though, especially with the pace of our new additions
As long as it's only players making them passes that are capable of making them. Non of this hit and hope shite. It also depends on who you're playing against. If the opposition plays deep then no point going long.
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There was once time in the second half when we were passing the ball around and someone played it to Anderson but the pass was underhit.
Tom had no choice other than to play the ball long, down the left side for someone to chase.
A bloke near me said “why has he lumped that ball up there”.
Can’t win eh.
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I have no problem Hound when it is a safe ball, too many times on Saturday, and at Grimsby it was not a safe ball because they were pushing up on the receiver of the pass, because it was either under hit or telegraphed.
It needs to be mixing up better, while we have the pace up front, and the opposition is shoving up to the halfway line, there is nothing wrong with dropping the ball in the area between their back four and their penalty area, and making them turn.
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should there not be better movement up front to give them options and stop the need for sideways passing?
It is def the DF era that style of football. I don't mind it to a degree but there is point that its done because it is the easy ball.
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Playing out from the back is fine as long as you have the players to do it with confidence and consistency. However there will be a time when you have to play it long. Its about good decision making. John Stones springs to mind in that he will always wants to play out even when there is nothing on. Can put the midfield in trouble with a poor pass.
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Just so long as we don’t revert back to the disastrous three at the back.
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There was a debate over this on the radio yesterday where the presenter basically said that Pep had hoodwinked the rest of the english managers and coaches into thinking that it was the only way to play football!! Knowing that 99% of the teams didnt have the personnel capable of doing it properly and his forward line was supreme in taking advantage of this!!!
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All professional footballers are capable of playing it at the back. If they couldn't hit a simple pass then they wouldn't be professional footballers.
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All professional footballers are capable of playing it at the back. If they couldn't hit a simple pass then they wouldn't be professional footballers.
The ability to play the pass is not the problem in most cases it's the movement for the next pass that makes the difference. They are paid to play football so should really be able to make angles for passes easy enough but sometimes it doesn't seem to happen
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All professional footballers are capable of playing it at the back. If they couldn't hit a simple pass then they wouldn't be professional footballers.
so we didnt lose the nations league because of simple mistakes at the back then?
Its not about playing a simple pass, a 4 yr old can do that. Its about the judgement of when to do it, if the receiver is already heavily marked as we saw on satdi, dont do it. Play it to a midfielder, who even if marked, wont lose the ball in a danger zone!.
Just to recap as well, not for one minute do i mean just lump it forward aimlessly, thats a waste of time., but last season lawler played it to butler/whiteman who almost immediately played it through the lines to kane and an attack was set in motion. We have lost that midfield outlet currently, so passing it across the back line over and again very soon will cost us a goal. We were lucky on satdi. Anderson took a yellow after he lost his man after a bad pass, so was on a knife edge all game from then on. Their second goal came from the free kick whiteman conceded after what potentially was a bad pass, which there were many of.
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Playing it atvthe back may cost a goal or two...but potentially make many more.
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All professional footballers are capable of playing it at the back. If they couldn't hit a simple pass then they wouldn't be professional footballers.
so we didnt lose the nations league because of simple mistakes at the back then?
Its not about playing a simple pass, a 4 yr old can do that. Its about the judgement of when to do it, if the receiver is already heavily marked as we saw on satdi, dont do it. Play it to a midfielder, who even if marked, wont lose the ball in a danger zone!.
Just to recap as well, not for one minute do i mean just lump it forward aimlessly, thats a waste of time., but last season lawler played it to butler/whiteman who almost immediately played it through the lines to kane and an attack was set in motion. We have lost that midfield outlet currently, so passing it across the back line over and again very soon will cost us a goal. We were lucky on satdi. Anderson took a yellow after he lost his man after a bad pass, so was on a knife edge all game from then on. Their second goal came from the free kick whiteman conceded after what potentially was a bad pass, which there were many of.
Anderson wasn’t booked on Saturday.
Sorry Adam but I had to laugh at the comment about the four year old.
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My mistake, it was sheaf, principle still applies tho...
You are welcome over the 4 yr old joke :-)
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My mistake, it was sheaf, principle still applies tho...
You are welcome over the 4 yr old joke :-)
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Does DM actually read this forum lol.
Overall much better today, many more balls played to midfielders rather than aimless sideways passes to a co defender already marked. Going long actually made the first goal, and Lawler did more goal kicks in one match than I think I saw all season last year. Theres no right or wrong way to play out, but sometimes mixing it up a bit isn't a bad option.