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DONCASTER FREE PRESS• News
Council refuses to release details of no deal Brexit plans amid fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages
Doncaster Council has refused to release details of its emergency plan in the event of a no deal Brexit – amid nationwide fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages.
or is it that Brexit is going to be so great we will all have a giddy fit ?
STOP BREXIT NOW
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DONCASTER FREE PRESS• News
Council refuses to release details of no deal Brexit plans amid fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages
Doncaster Council has refused to release details of its emergency plan in the event of a no deal Brexit – amid nationwide fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages.
or is it that Brexit is going to be so great we will all have a giddy fit ?
STOP BREXIT NOW
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
NO
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DONCASTER FREE PRESS• News
Council refuses to release details of no deal Brexit plans amid fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages
Doncaster Council has refused to release details of its emergency plan in the event of a no deal Brexit – amid nationwide fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages.
or is it that Brexit is going to be so great we will all have a giddy fit ?
STOP BREXIT NOW
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
No
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DONCASTER FREE PRESS• News
Council refuses to release details of no deal Brexit plans amid fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages
Doncaster Council has refused to release details of its emergency plan in the event of a no deal Brexit – amid nationwide fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages.
or is it that Brexit is going to be so great we will all have a giddy fit ?
STOP BREXIT NOW
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
No.
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DONCASTER FREE PRESS• News
Council refuses to release details of no deal Brexit plans amid fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages
Doncaster Council has refused to release details of its emergency plan in the event of a no deal Brexit – amid nationwide fears of food, fuel and medicine shortages.
or is it that Brexit is going to be so great we will all have a giddy fit ?
STOP BREXIT NOW
Get in touch with Best for Doncaster
https://bestfordoncaster.uk/
I don't see how Doncaster council can refuse to release emergenct plans, it's hardly a state secret that the country will suffer financially from any form of brexit.
Any of those that said 'no' above want to enlighten us on what they want from brexit and what aspects of people's lives will be improved by it? I'm expecting more no's on this because you don't know.
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Done.
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Dunno what you lot are complaining about - at least you have a council with a plan. Wiltshire Council haven't!
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/16979653.no-brexit-plan-in-place-for-wiltshire/
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We voted to leave
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We voted to leave
Did we? F**k me! could have sworn I voted remain.
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Dunno what you lot are complaining about - at least you have a council with a plan. Wiltshire Council haven't!
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/16979653.no-brexit-plan-in-place-for-wiltshire/
Do we?
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We voted to leave
I think I'm correct that at least you had a coherent reason HA?
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We voted to leave
I think I'm correct that at least you had a coherent reason HA?
That bus. :laugh:
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We voted to leave
I think I'm correct that at least you had a coherent reason HA?
Yes you are correct, as I’ve shared with you before
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We voted to leave
Did we vote to leave in the most t**ttish way possible?
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We voted to leave
Did we vote to leave in the most t**ttish way possible?
Well I certainly didn’t and if our politicians have any sense they won’t.
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We voted to leave
Did we vote to leave in the most t**ttish way possible?
Well I certainly didn’t and if our politicians have any sense they won’t.
Doesn't it worry you that that's a f**king big 'if' for the foreseeable future?
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We voted to leave
Did we vote to leave in the most t**ttish way possible?
Well I certainly didn’t and if our politicians have any sense they won’t.
Doesn't it worry you that that's a f**king big 'if' for the foreseeable future?
Of course it does!
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How many leave voters wanted or expected no deal.??
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how many pro-brexit group's or spokesmen wanted, expected or promoted no deal?
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If you're right Bob, then Labour should p*ss the forthcoming election.
Are you confident of that?
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Steve, Labour are finished.
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Labour arent finished, they do need to replace Corbyn to be remotely electable though. Trouble is atm the party is full of people who take any criticism or comment as an attack and close ranks
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You are right ldr.
I've been a Corbyn supporter but he is unelectable.
He's given the Right and Tory press too much ammunition and now the man in the street thinks he's a dangerous Marxist anti Semite terrorist supporting nutcase.
Most of which is b*llocks of course but hey the power of social media.
So he has to go, but he won't and that is s tragedy for the Country as well as the Labour party, as things stand they won't get elected in the forthcoming election.
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Corbyn has been torn apart by the right wing press. Ever since he was elected they’ve made it their mission to demonise him. They did the same with a Michael Foot in the 80’s. You’ll notice they rarely criticise his policies because they understand that the average person in the street will support many of these, so instead they make it personal.
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I dont think anyone could deny that. Issue is he is now a toxic brand and detrimental to labour's chances
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HA
Yes. And that was predictable and predicted back in 2015.
Moaning about it is just self-indulgence. If you want Corbyn's policies, you'd better be damn sure that you have a consummate communicator to put them across and bring people with him.
This is the thing that the Left never get. They castigate Blair and Campbell (and I disliked many of their policies), but they never address WHY they emerged. The Left assumes that there's a massive swell of people in the country just desperate for a true socialist party to vote for. But their isn't. There's maybe 15-20% true believers. If Labour is to get into power, it HAS to attract a similar number of people who are not dyed in the wool socialists.
Instead, the Left has spent the past 5 years castigating them, and the last 2 years deluding itself that the unique circumstances of the 2017 GE prove that they are right.
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Nail on head BST
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How many leave voters wanted or expected no deal.??
I did.
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That's 1 out of 33million then. Any more?
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And that means categorically that you KNEW the Leave campaign was lying to the country AL. And you're happy with that.
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BST,
Yes you’re right. However there’s a deeper issue at play here. The centre ground of UK politics really needs to take a long hard look at itself and question just why people are moving to the more ‘extreme’ left & right. I read a book about Harold Wilson and he had a view that centrist politics is always in danger of leaving sections of society behind and it should always be looking over its shoulder to ensure the populace is on the same journey. This is where Labour went wrong, so many people felt disenfranchised by it. Similarly with the Cameron Government.
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HA.
I'm not sure that "people" are moving to the extremes. "Parties" are, but that's a very different thing.
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Too many people it seems to me, follow “headlines” when deciding political views.. short term reactionism to sensationalist reporting.
I am sure that for Brexit, many thousands of folks will have voted to leave simply - and understandably - with the belief that the UK would be better off alone, irrespective of any knowledge of the detail of what Brexit would actually mean..
That’s not unusual as I wouldn’t expect the vast majority of the populace to understand the details of political issues - I certainly don’t..
But the reactionism seems to be worse in the current age of social media influence and the I want it now generation..
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How many leave voters wanted or expected no deal.??
I did.
I didn't and neither did the wife.
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HA.
I'm not sure that "people" are moving to the extremes. "Parties" are, but that's a very different thing.
BST,
I’d disagree. I’m seeing many people shift their political persuasion to a more extreme perspective. Brexit is responsible for polarising these views to a large degree
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You are right ldr.
I've been a Corbyn supporter but he is unelectable.
He's given the Right and Tory press too much ammunition and now the man in the street thinks he's a dangerous Marxist anti Semite terrorist supporting nutcase.
Most of which is b*llocks of course but hey the power of social media.
So he has to go, but he won't and that is s tragedy for the Country as well as the Labour party, as things stand they won't get elected in the forthcoming election.
I'd agree with that sentiment tommy toes but I don't do social media and I haven't bought a newspaper of any kind for 30 years but I certainly view Corbyn pretty much in the way you describe. I have been centre-left in my views all my life, never voted Conservative in my life and never will but I couldn't vote for labour if it meant there was the slightest chance it could bring Corbyn to power.
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Pies. I understand exactly what you are saying. But I'd suggest you need to consider that there is near zero chance of Labour winning a majority in any election soon. Whereas there's a big chance of the Tories winning a majority.
So the question is very simple.
Do you want Johnson off the leash, leading a majority Tory Govt, or Corbyn, constrained, leading a Lab/LD/SNP coalition?
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I understand perfectly what you're saying BST but living in such a staunch labour constituency I could vote LD in the full knowledge that it didn't change the outcome but I hadn't voted for Corbyn or the Tories.
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Understood.
But think hard about it if the Brexit party make a stand. I don't know where you live, but I'm expecting a pact between Farage and Johnson that the former will target Northern post-industrial seats and the latter will pull no-hope candidates there.
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Corbyn aside, which labour party manifesto policies are people against?
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I have very few gripes with Labour's policies. Their economic policy in particular is precisely what is needed.
My concern with Corbyn, always, has been his approach to foreign affairs. It is childishly simplistic in the extreme. He published an essay in the Morning Star not long before he became leader, about NATO and the Soviet Union. It was embarrassing to read. The sort of cliche-ridden, half-baked claptrap a middling Year 10 student would come up with. Fascinatingly,it's no longer up on the Morning Star website.
The fact that he and his inner circle bend over backwards to avoid ever criticising Putin is, frankly, frightening and I do worry about him being in power if a major incident developed in Eastern Europe.
Not as much as I worry about a Boris Johnson premiership though.
But that's politics. You make choices from imperfect alternatives. I passionately wish Corbyn wasn't Labour leader (McDonnell is both far more intelligent and far more hard headed) but faced with the choice between him and Johnson, it's a no brained.
Just like it was a no brained to vote for Blair against Major, Hague and Howard, and to vote for Brown against Cameron. If a few more people on the Left had done the latter, instead of indulging their precious consciences, we'd be in a very different world now.
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I like McDonnell but I quite like Keir Starmer too; would prefer either to Corbyn
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As I was saying.
Clear evidence of a war crime committed by Russia in Syria.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-49528495/idlib-double-tap-air-strike-russia-says-never-was
Utter silence from Corbyn.
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Quite astonishing that neither Labour nor the Govt have said a word about this apparent war crime by the Russians in Syria. That seems to be the world we're in at the moment.
Labour won't criticise Russia because that goes against the 4Ms' principles
Tories won't criticise Russia unless they absolutely have to, because Russian oligarchs are bankrolling them.
So Russian jets are free to drop a couple of bombs in a marketplace, wait for civilians to come out to attend to the wounded, then return and massacre the lot of them.
And no f**ker cares.
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another example
Michael Lambert @MichaelLamberta · 17h17 hours ago
My small business has been selling to hundreds of customers in Europe since 1997
On 31st October it will close because none of my customers are prepared to register as importers and complete import paperwork for every little invoice
THE END OF MY BUSINESS
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Quite astonishing that neither Labour nor the Govt have said a word about this apparent war crime by the Russians in Syria. That seems to be the world we're in at the moment.
Labour won't criticise Russia because that goes against the 4Ms' principles
Tories won't criticise Russia unless they absolutely have to, because Russian oligarchs are bankrolling them.
So Russian jets are free to drop a couple of bombs in a marketplace, wait for civilians to come out to attend to the wounded, then return and massacre the lot of them.
And no f**ker cares.
It IS quite extraordinary. I have never known a time when our Parliament was so vexed and transfixed by the one central overarching issue and ignore or look the other way on international crises and / or domestic issues
Unprecedented.
HS2 should be debated endlessly - to cost 20 Billion pounds more than originally estimated and likely to be 7 years late ? 20 BILLION - because they had underestimated how much it would cost to put the line through built up areas ? I cant get my head round that BUT the HOC should be doing
BUT they are not - too busy chasing / trying to defeat b****t
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just in from Sweden :
Henrietta W M 🎪 🇪🇺 🇸🇪 🇬🇧 #RevokeA50 @henrietta_22 · 2h2 hours ago
What the bloody hell is wrong with some of you Brits. Do you honestly think the likes of de Pfiffelt**t and the Victorian toff have your best interest at heart? You might not like the idea of EU or even understand it but honestly the alternative looks pretty damn grim.
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Another from Henrietta:
''I know, it should be fairly obvious to anyone with a brain. The Empire is long gone. Europe is stronger together not divided. I feel like banging my head against a wall sometimes''
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Quite astonishing that neither Labour nor the Govt have said a word about this apparent war crime by the Russians in Syria. That seems to be the world we're in at the moment.
Labour won't criticise Russia because that goes against the 4Ms' principles
Tories won't criticise Russia unless they absolutely have to, because Russian oligarchs are bankrolling them.
So Russian jets are free to drop a couple of bombs in a marketplace, wait for civilians to come out to attend to the wounded, then return and massacre the lot of them.
And no f**ker cares.
Why do you hate the Russians for defending us?