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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Filo on October 26, 2019, 10:26:28 pm
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Anyone know what time high tide is on the River Don, we’re on red flood alert here in Stainy with the River at record highs and still rising
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That's what you get for offending Bentley!
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River Don?? He doesn’t post on here anymore does he!!
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River Don?? He doesn’t post on here anymore does he!!
No, he doesn't, a decent guy too. I think he got pissed off with the snowflakes, like a lot of other people.
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He was a top lad and he is very much missed.
I'm not sure there's any evidence to support that assertion though BB.
From the private chats I regularly had with him, he was pissed off with several people in here, but none of them are the ones that I'd guess you are insulting in that post.
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And which ones am I insulting in that post?
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The ones he was pissed off at wouldn't be described as snowflakes. So you tell me who you meant.
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I meant he was probably pissed off with snowflakes, what did you mean?
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Ho ho ho.
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So did it flood?
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So did it flood?
Apparently, we're still waiting for the flood police to get back from Tranmere to update us.
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Anyone know what time high tide is on the River Don, we’re on red flood alert here in Stainy with the River at record highs and still rising
Save this for later - prob dont need now
http://www.ukho.gov.uk/easytide/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0180&PredictionLength=7 (http://www.ukho.gov.uk/easytide/EasyTide/ShowPrediction.aspx?PortID=0180&PredictionLength=7)
There is a factor to add for Stainy which I will look for next but think +2 rings a bell
Cant pin it down exactly but adding 2 hours to Goole High Tide times will give you approx Stainy time !
This ones easier to read I think but adjust the date of course
https://www.tidetimes.co.uk/goole-tide-times-20180731 (https://www.tidetimes.co.uk/goole-tide-times-20180731)
... and this can be useful as well
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8259?direction=u (https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8259?direction=u)
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So did it flood?
We survived on the Stainy side, the River currently overflowing on the Fishlake side, so I assume Fishlake will be cut off
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He was a top lad and he is very much missed.
I'm not sure there's any evidence to support that assertion though BB.
From the private chats I regularly had with him, he was pissed off with several people in here, but none of them are the ones that I'd guess you are insulting in that post.
I met him a couple of times, really good guy.
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Fishlake cut off and water entering houses in Fishlake apparentley, water teaming of the flood banks on Fishlake Nab
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Pretty bad. Makes my flooded garage seem rather tame. We got through forstead lane yesterday and fair to say it wasn't looking good. I wanted to move out to Braithwaite when we moved last year, its days like today that made me glad we didn't. Not nice for those being flooded.
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Fishlake Nab just over the bridge from Stainforth at the junction of the road to Moss and Askern
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Due to the heavy rain we've had, road closures are currently in place at:
⚠️Fordstead Lane between Arksey and Barnby Dun
⚠️Bridge Hill at Stainforth including Fishlake Nab
⚠️ Plumtree Hill and Jackrow Lane at Fishlake
⚠️ Low Lane at Kirk Bramwith
⚠️ Greys Bridge at Denaby
From Donny council twitter feed
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When do you see them ever cleaning drains out these days? That doesn’t help when we have a lot of rain.
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When do you see them ever cleaning drains out these days? That doesn’t help when we have a lot of rain.
When I was a kid they used to dredge the Don, never seen it done for 45 years or more
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Filo, I know someone who lives in Stainforth who is a local historian.
Some years ago he told me that the engineer who designed the river banks made the Fishlake side a foot lower so that if it ever flooded that side would cop for the lot.
Guess which side the engineer lived at.
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Filo, I know someone who lives in Stainforth who is a local historian.
Some years ago he told me that the engineer who designed the river banks made the Fishlake side a foot lower so that if it ever flooded that side would cop for the lot.
Guess which side the engineer lived at.
That is true hound, but it was designed that way so the pit wouldn’t get flooded
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When do you see them ever cleaning drains out these days? That doesn’t help when we have a lot of rain.
Council cutbacks Gaz.
That's the genius of how the Tories implemented Austerity. The vast majority of the reductions in Govt spending since 2010 have been in the money given to councils. So councils have had to massively cut back the services they can provide. And folk, understandably, get pissed off with councils rather than the Govt.
It's shocking how roads and pavements flood every time there's any rain, because the drainage system is clogged and not looked after. The result of that, apart from increasing the chances of flooding getting into buildings, is that road and pavement surfaces get more badly damaged. So, over time, there's a huge additional cost to this apparent "saving". Madness.
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When do you see them ever cleaning drains out these days? That doesn’t help when we have a lot of rain.
Council cutbacks Gaz.
That's the genius of how the Tories implemented Austerity. The vast majority of the reductions in Govt spending since 2010 have been in the money given to councils. So councils have had to massively cut back the services they can provide. And folk, understandably, get pissed off with councils rather than the Govt.
It's shocking how roads and pavements flood every time there's any rain, because the drainage system is clogged and not looked after. The result of that, apart from increasing the chances of flooding getting into buildings, is that road and pavement surfaces get more badly damaged. So, over time, there's a huge additional cost to this apparent "saving". Madness.
Yet our councils can still afford political advisors etc.... interesting choice of spending there.
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When do you see them ever cleaning drains out these days? That doesn’t help when we have a lot of rain.
Council cutbacks Gaz.
That's the genius of how the Tories implemented Austerity. The vast majority of the reductions in Govt spending since 2010 have been in the money given to councils. So councils have had to massively cut back the services they can provide. And folk, understandably, get pissed off with councils rather than the Govt.
It's shocking how roads and pavements flood every time there's any rain, because the drainage system is clogged and not looked after. The result of that, apart from increasing the chances of flooding getting into buildings, is that road and pavement surfaces get more badly damaged. So, over time, there's a huge additional cost to this apparent "saving". Madness.
Yet our councils can still afford political advisors etc.... interesting choice of spending there.
A lot of the priorities for spending seem to be strange at times. I know they have legal obligations but never the less i'm sure politics does come into it.
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Loads of flooding already round Tickhill, Wadworth and Braithwell
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They don't do bad for high wages and pensions either, in the upper management levels, or spending on super duper council offices.
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Don over at Meadowhall
Don over at Rotherham Parkgate already
Sprotborough - water nearly level with the Weir top !!!!
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Just had a flood alert phone call from the environment agency, the River at Stainy has another 6ft before it gets to the top of the flood banks
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According to this, the Environment Agency is predicting the Don at North Bridge to top out at the highest level yet recorded tonight.
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8067?direction=u
Don't know how far back their records go, mind.
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Looks like it'll be similar at the bridge at Sproty an all.
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8349?direction=u
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According to this, the Environment Agency is predicting the Don at North Bridge to top out at the highest level yet recorded tonight.
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8067?direction=u
Don't know how far back their records go, mind.
The highest levels were recorded on 26 June 2007 which is when there was catastrophic flooding across the region.
Hopefully the work they've done in the aftermath of that will mean it won't be as bad this time.
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According to this, the Environment Agency is predicting the Don at North Bridge to top out at the highest level yet recorded tonight.
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8067?direction=u
Don't know how far back their records go, mind.
Thats not good news for Toll Bar, although I think the last flooding there was from the Ea Beck
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Just been over Sprotbrough falls. The Don has burst its banks and is very close to joining up with the canal on the other side
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My garage is a bit underwater, much higher and the freezer will have to go off and its bloody full!
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Ey up,
Gone but not forgotten, eh? Just to say I went through a tough period, lost touch with a lot of friends, became very insular and stopped posting on here. Anxiety, depression. Followed by some serious family problems, cancer and caring. Money became tight for me and I stopped going to the games and more lately we've moved away from Donny.
Still follow the club though and check the forum now and again but I didn't feel I have much to contribute, not going to the games n'all.
It seems to be a good period for the Rovers now. It's good to see. Can't believe Copps is still going from strength to strength.
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Once a Rover, always a Rover.
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By the way that little admission has ticked off one of the things I've been meaning to do for some time now.
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The EA have just announced that the river is due to flood at Stainforth later tonight.
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Ey up,
Gone but not forgotten, eh? Just to say I went through a tough period, lost touch with a lot of friends, became very insular and stopped posting on here. Anxiety, depression. Followed by some serious family problems, cancer and caring. Money became tight for me and I stopped going to the games and more lately we've moved away from Donny.
Still follow the club though and check the forum now and again but I didn't feel I have much to contribute, not going to the games n'all.
It seems to be a good period for the Rovers now. It's good to see. Can't believe Copps is still going from strength to strength.
You're still more of a fan than the plastic ones following Premiership sides that they never see live.🙂👍
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The EA have just announced that the river is due to flood at Stainforth later tonight.
Yes I’ve had the phonecall, I think it will go over on the Fishlake bank
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The EA have just announced that the river is due to flood at Stainforth later tonight.
Yes I’ve had the phonecall, I think it will go over on the Fishlake bank
Well as we know, the bank is lower on that side.
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Surely Stainy would be better off flooded?
It would add some much needed improvements.
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Good to see you back RD.
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Surely Stainy would be better off flooded?
It would add some much needed improvements.
Might drown a few brain dead folk around here, pissing it down and fireworks going off 😳😳😳😳😳
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Welcome back River Don. Hope you're not just gonna visit once in a flood.
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Looks like it'll be similar at the bridge at Sproty an all.
https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/8349?direction=u
It's just passed the highest ever level?
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Welcome back River Don. Hope you're not just gonna visit once in a flood.
You know the weather tonight reminds me of the last time the River Don flooded. I remember reading on here someone saying what with the river Don flooding Hillsborough and Meadowhall that they were proud it was our river doing all that.
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Not looking good for kirk sandal now by sounds of it.
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I know this is for Sheffield, but it gives an idea of the amount of rain that’s fallen over the last couple of days
Current rainfall and #flooding in S Yorks in numbers...
🚨 5 severe flooding warnings on River Don*
⚠️ >100 flooding warnings*
💦 82mm of rain in Sheffield since Wed eve
☔️ 79mm Nov average for Sheffield
🗓️ 167% of average Oct rainfall for Sheffield
*numbers at 7.45am
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It sounds awful the limited news I get about it
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Not looking good for kirk sandal now by sounds of it.
Don breached at St Oswalds church, those houses opposite Kirk Sandal train station will surely get it, they are built on land lower than the surrounding area
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This is shaping up to be worse than 2007.
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Kirk Sandall and baby dun on high flood alert, Kirk Sandall juniors (and Infants) is closed as is hungerhill - not sure about the other schools in the area.
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Kirk Sandall and baby dun on high flood alert, Kirk Sandall juniors (and Infants) is closed as is hungerhill - not sure about the other schools in the area.
Long Toft in Stainforth closed
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Yep where the new houses are. Cracking location for new houses that!
We'll be fine in Edenthorpe, if it gets to us its disastrous levels, but kirk sandal etc is a worry.
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Just heard shops on Wheatley Hall road have been advised to evacuate, and they are building houses on the old Harvesters site next to the River, good look in selling those
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Just heard shops on Wheatley Hall road have been advised to evacuate, and they are building houses on the old Harvesters site next to the River, good look in selling those
Most are already sold.
Boat Inn and the cottages there are complete submerged, almost to the first floor level.
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River Don levels have exceeded 2007 levels and it’s yet to peak
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More rain due in next couple hours.
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More rain due in next couple hours.
At least Saturday and Sunday are looking better now, the forecast has changed considerably compared to yesterday
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Just heard shops on Wheatley Hall road have been advised to evacuate, and they are building houses on the old Harvesters site next to the River, good look in selling those
Most are already sold.
Boat Inn and the cottages there are complete submerged, almost to the first floor level.
Boat Inn ? Have I missed a Pub or do you mean Sprotborough ?
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From Donny Council twitter feed
⚠️UPDATE⚠️
The evacuation in Kirk Sandall has now been stood down. Residents are advised to remain vigilant and contact our emergency helpline if they have any concerns.
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Just heard shops on Wheatley Hall road have been advised to evacuate, and they are building houses on the old Harvesters site next to the River, good look in selling those
Most are already sold.
Boat Inn and the cottages there are complete submerged, almost to the first floor level.
Boat Inn ? Have I missed a Pub or do you mean Sprotborough ?
The Boat Inn is in Sprotbrough
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Not looking good for kirk sandal now by sounds of it.
Don breached at St Oswalds church, those houses opposite Kirk Sandal train station will surely get it, they are built on land lower than the surrounding area
Daughter lives on that estate looks like we might have house guests
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Think Sky reporter has got lost - caption says Kirk Sandall but she’s stood outside Three Horse Shoes
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River Levels have been more or less steady for the last hour or so, it’s either low tide or the levels are peaking
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Just about low tide I think filo
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Bentley and Scawthorpe residents being advised to evacuate. Cusworth in danger too.
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Just about low tide I think filo
If thats the case it will be carnage at High tide
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High tide 10-57pm
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High tide 10-57pm
Get ready
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Bentley and Scawthorpe residents being advised to evacuate. Cusworth in danger too.
Cusworth???? :woot: :woot: :woot: It's miles from the Don :pinch:
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From Donny Council twitter feed
⚠️URGENT UPDATE - FLOOD RISK IN BENTLEY AREA⚠️
Following the heavy rain, we are continuing to respond to a major incident for Doncaster with several flood warnings still in place for Kirk Bramwith, South Bramwith, Kirk Sandall, Willow Bridge, Barnby Dun and Bentley. Read more...
The evacuation for Kirk Sandall has been stood down and residents affected have been advised.
⚠️Please be advised that there is now an imminent risk of flooding to the Bentley/ Scawthorpe area⚠️
We have determined that the flood route is to the rear of Cusworth Lane/ St Martin’s Avenue, Raymond Road to the bottom of Amersall Road, the bottom of Petersgate, Scawthorpe and the Bentley Rise area.
So far, roads affected include:
🏠Bentley Road
🏠Grove Avenue
🏠Fisher Terrace
🏠Riviera Parade
🏠Hunt Lane
🏠Yarborough Terrace
Residents in these areas are being informed by police, fire and rescue and council officers to evacuate their homes and they are being supported to do so. Rest Centres are in place for those affected who are unable to stay with friends and family.
📞If you require any support please ring our emergency helpline on 01302 735688 📞
More from Donny Council twitter feed
More roads affected include:
🏠Marsh Road
🏠Chadwick Road
🏠Wrightson Terrace
🏠Grange Court
🏠Bishop Garth Close
🏠Conyers Road
🏠Ings Road
🏠Frank Road
🏠Cromwell Road
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Yep where the new houses are. Cracking location for new houses that!
We'll be fine in Edenthorpe, if it gets to us its disastrous levels, but kirk sandal etc is a worry.
Agreed on that location BFYP.
There must have been some significant palm greasing when they passed that development, on an industrial estate.
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Forecast to go down a meter or 2 next 36 hours. That 10.57 time is for the one in Aberdeen not Doncaster.
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Had high tide 17.05. next one 05.20 tomorrow. That's for Goole.
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Doh sorry about that I put River Don Doncaster in the search too
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Is that Travis Bickle I can hear?
One day a real rain...
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River Don level is dropping
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Devastation in Fishlake, flooding for miles and the river was still rising at 7am
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Had high tide 17.05. next one 05.20 tomorrow. That's for Goole.
So add 2 hours (very close to that anyway) and you have Stainforth High Tide
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The flooding problem isn’t over just yet, this was posted on the Doncaster Council twitter feed 5 mins ago
URGENT UPDATE FLOOD RISK IN THORNE IN BALNE and TRUMFLEET. Residents in the area are advised to evacuate their property. ☎️ If you require any support please ring our emergency helpline on 01302 735688 ☎️
For all the latest flooding information go to:
https://www.doncaster.gov.uk/News/latest-flooding-information
That’s Thorpe in Balne obviously
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More from Doncaster Council twitter feed
⚠️There are 8 severe flood warnings in place in Doncaster, these are: Kirk Sandal, Barnby Dun, South Bramwith, Kirk Bramwith, Bentley, Thorpe in Balne, Trumfleet, Willow Farm. Flooding updates doncaster.gov.uk/News/latest-fl… ⚠️
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Thorne and Moorends now on flood warning, the River is not dropping and water has been pouring into Fishlake for near on 36 hours now
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This you tube footage shows the extent of some of the flooding
https://youtu.be/qsUq7zsHRZw
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This you tube footage shows the extent of some of the flooding
https://youtu.be/qsUq7zsHRZw
That's horrific. And the news seems to have pretty much lost interest in it now.
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This you tube footage shows the extent of some of the flooding
https://youtu.be/qsUq7zsHRZw
That shot of Fishlake Church from above the river, I live behind the camera view on Stainy side about 500 yards from the canal 😳😳😳😳😳😳
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Went for a walk this morning, still coming out the don in to the canal at st oswalds church. Still staggers me that the back gardens of unfinished new builds back on to the canal at that very point.
Terrible for all those affected. You have to question if Sheffields defences have made it far worse here.
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The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go
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Went for a walk this morning, still coming out the don in to the canal at st oswalds church. Still staggers me that the back gardens of unfinished new builds back on to the canal at that very point.
Terrible for all those affected. You have to question if Sheffields defences have made it far worse here.
I think there's a big issue about the defences at Sheffield pushing the problem downstream.
The Don at Lady's Bridge in Sheffield topped out at a higher level than in 2007. Back then, the whole lower Don Valley was flooded from Kelham Island to Meadowhall. This time, there's been no flooding anywhere near the city centre. So inevitably, that water has stayed in the Don further downstream.
And there is a political aspect to this. One of the major cutbacks in the early Austerity days was on flood defences. That's why you end up with this sort of not joined up situation. Utterly, utterly stupid. Flood defences are one thing that pay for themselves very rapidly through saving the massive losses that are going to result from this disaster.
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Look at Table 1 on p4 here.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05755/SN05755.pdf
Utterly shameful.
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The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go
The Don is tidal as well isn't it.
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The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go
The Don is tidal a well isn't it.
yes up to sprotborough falls I think
The Trent, Ouse and Aire are all tidal as well
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Look at Table 1 on p4 here.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05755/SN05755.pdf
Utterly shameful.
Indeed it's an area that should really be spent on. Arguably they'll say it has performed better, your last post sums up that it has in Sheffield. But here it is getting worse and there needs to be a review. Ultimately aswell there more we build on wasteland and flood land the less scope there is for storage and natural drainage of water.
The area I used to live in near Tesco balby is a prime.example. Natural wetland that has houses on it. Where does that water now go? Same with the iport. As we build more there has to be defences with it. Perhaps, we should consider building upwards a little more.
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I couldn't agree more on all points BFYP.
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some waffle on here from 2009 about newbuilds if anyone is interested
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7772/pps25guideupdate.pdf
praising Doncaster on about a sequential test (reminds you of Sequentia Capital ??)
Case studyDoncaster – an example of successful local application of the Sequential TestDoncaster Council’s Forward Planners worked closely with the Environment Agency to produce their ‘Flood Risk Policy Guidance Note’ to aid Sequential Test implementation. The note has been approved by Council members and has been afforded weight by the Planning Inspectorate in a number of dismissed appeals. The note is a ‘living document’ to allow for improvements to be made, but will eventually be translated into an Supplementary Planning Document.The note clarifies how national guidance on the Sequential Test will be applied to the Doncaster area. It resolves common queries about when and where it must be applied, who has responsibility for undertaking it, and how it will be applied for common development types.The note has promoted understanding and consistency between Local Authority Development Control Officers, given applicants a better idea of what to include in their applications, and given developers greater certainty, early in the process, about whether their development is likely to pass the Sequential Test or not. Ultimately, it has resulted in a number of developments being successfully steered away from flood risk areas.
shows phot of Flooding in Rostholme, Doncaster, June 2007
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The Don runs into the Aire at Goole, the Aire joins the Ouse ant the Trent joins the ouse, all those Rivers will be swollen, the water has nowhere to go
The Don is tidal a well isn't it.
yes up to sprotborough falls I think
The Trent, Ouse and Aire are all tidal as well
Not quite Filo
It has to stop at the Weir just before Chappell Drive (behind CF Booth Scrap). You see this clearly on the left side of the train.
The next Weir behind Prison would be "it" as far as the tide was concerned if that one was not there
Trying for Photo (just zoom out)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.531712,-1.1338682,55m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.531712,-1.1338682,55m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
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Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures
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Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures
Funny you should say that Filo.
I had to pick up some paperwork from someone in Stainforth yesterday and decided to be nosy and had a walk up to the bridge to see how high the water was.
I saw that the water level was higher than the arch under which the water normally flows and was saying to another bloke there that it could put pressure on the bridge and make it unstable.
I also thought that it might apply to the wall on the right hand side (as you look towards Fishlake).
Am I right in thinking that the bridge was strengthened after the 2007 floods after something similar happened.
Also, I think I am right in saying that the bridge is very old.
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Just been told the Bridge over the Don at Stainforth has moved slightly and theres a cracked appeared in it, due to the sustained high water pressures
Funny you should say that Filo.
I had to pick up some paperwork from someone in Stainforth yesterday and decided to be nosy and had a walk up to the bridge to see how high the water was.
I saw that the water level was higher than the arch under which the water normally flows and was saying to another bloke there that it could put pressure on the bridge and make it unstable.
I also though that it might apply to the wall on the right hand side (as you look towards Fishlake).
Am I right in thinking that the bridge was strengthened after the 2007 floods after something similar happened.
Also, I think I am right in saying that the bridge is very old.
The Bridge is listed, and yes it was strengthened after the 2007 flood, as was the West Bank flood wall which is now starting to look unstable
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Mmmm, I hope it holds out for the sake of everyone on that side.
The water level is considerably higher just now than the properties over the wall.
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Mmmm, I hope it holds out for the sake of everyone on that side.
The water level is considerably higher just now than the properties over the wall.
About 8ft higher
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''The flood waters may be receding, but anger rises in weary Doncaster
Torrential rain has cost one life and blighted communities that feel they are being left to fend for themselves''
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/09/flood-waters-receding-but-anger-rises-in-weary-doncaster
added
Davison’s garden, bequeathed by his late father, was destroyed, causing “thousands of pounds of damage”. “I’m on UC [universal credit],” he says. “I couldn’t afford insurance.”
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Shocking pib. Really, really sorry to hear that. But's the usual day-to-day problems into perspective.
I wish you every bit of luck on pulling things round.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane
Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.
It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane
Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.
It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.
I thing the problem is, and you most probably know this, water is still coming over the Nab wall and near the Old Don cutting, just adding to whats already gone over, it will just keep spreading until the River level goes down, which it hasn’t all day. I’ve seen pictures of the Cricket Club which is half submerged in water
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Shocking pib. Really, really sorry to hear that. But's the usual day-to-day problems into perspective.
I wish you every bit of luck on pulling things round.
Cheers BST.
Perspective shifts pretty quickly - just glad to be out of the way with working amenities and a place to sleep tonight.
We’ll see how everything else works out over the coming days.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
I feel for you mate, it seems like the only dry areas are around the church which is as you know is right next to the River, I could n’t imagine that the water would make it right up Trundle Lane
Nope. Me either Filo. And that was the worst affected street with water up to almost chest height on many of the fire men and women wading in it.
It suggests something has gone horribly wrong somewhere and has caught the authorities out completely.
I thing the problem is, and you most probably know this, water is still coming over the Nab wall and near the Old Don cutting, just adding to whats already gone over, it will just keep spreading until the River level goes down, which it hasn’t all day. I’ve seen pictures of the Cricket Club which is half submerged in water
Seems like it Filo. The reason so many have evacuated is that it’s just not subsiding, possibly for days to come, even though some areas aren’t really rising much.
The fact that the water seems to have basically flowed like a river along Trundle Lane and then Pinfold Lane suggests you are spot on. If the issue was further downstream(?) (East), the church and the H&H Pub would be under water instead.
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The good news is the River is falling now, next hight tide around 6pm, so hopefully it will have stopped overflowing by then
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However 8 hours rain midnight tonight some of it "heavy"
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Posted on the Doncaster Council twitter feed about 30 mins ago
FLOOD UPDATE:
⚠️Six severe flood warnings remain in place for Fishlake, Barnby Dun, Kirk Sandall, Kirk Bramwith, Sounth Bramwith & Bentley Rise. This means there is a risk to life in these areas. The Environment Agency expect these warnings to stay in place for at least 24 hours.
⚠️For those of you who live in Fishlake – we have set up a dedicated rest centre in Stainforth today to offer advice, guidance and support, to find out more call our public information line on 01302 735688.
⚠️The Environment Agency advise that they do not expect flood waters to start to go down for at least the next 24 hours in Fishlake, we expect that it will be at least 48 hours until you can return to your homes, if not longer.
Residents who are unable to stay with family or friends can still access the rest centre which will be operational for as long as is needed.
⚠️URGENT Fishlake residents have been advised to evacuate, if you are still in Fishlake call 01302 735688 so we can organise evacuation immediately by South Yorks Fire and Rescue. We can only offer dedicated support to people who are not in an area where there is a threat to life
⚠️Bentley Rise residents (inc. Yarbrough Terrace, Hunt Lane, Frank Road, Riviera Mount, Riviera Parade & Willow Bridge) our communities staff are on the ground providing information, advice & guidance. We continue to work to @EnvAgency guidance that this is a severe risk area.
⚠️Residents from other evacuated areas are advised to call our dedicated public information line for further updates on when they may be able to return home 01302 735688.
Sounds as the residents in those area have not seen the last of this flooding just yet
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The river has dropped by a metre since 6am
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'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities
Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities
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https://news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-weather-public-urged-to-stay-away-from-swollen-rivers-amid-extensive-flooding-11857056
We're saved.
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'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities
Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities
They won’t go because there were reports of looters, they want to stay and protect their belongings
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I’ve seen pictures of Coffins floating around at Wrights Funeral Directors on Trundle Lane
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Really makes me angry reading this Pib, hope you manage to sort something. Sandbags at 5-30 saturday morning??? Why so late?? Do the council not have an emergency action plan and if so how do they implement this properly? It was so obvious by Thursday tea time that we were looking at a repeat of 2007 yet so bloody slow to get things moving.
Reactive as always not proactive.
Best wishes Pib
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'We can't go': Fishlake residents defy floodwaters and authorities
Local people ignore calls to evacuate from flood-stricken town near Doncaster''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/11/we-cant-go-fishlake-residents-defy-floodwaters-and-authorities
They won’t go because there were reports of looters, they want to stay and protect their belongings
correction
No criticism from me Filo, just posting infomation as I find it.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Really makes me angry reading this Pib, hope you manage to sort something. Sandbags at 5-30 saturday morning??? Why so late?? Do the council not have an emergency action plan and if so how do they implement this properly? It was so obvious by Thursday tea time that we were looking at a repeat of 2007 yet so bloody slow to get things moving.
Reactive as always not proactive.
Best wishes Pib
Thank you Prez.
Not sure really. Can only assume they were caught out by it. I really would’ve expected some sort of warning earlier in the evening, even if they thought there was a 5% chance of flooding, but there was nothing. It screams incompetence like you say.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
Yeah I think Filo has hit the nail on the head. Thankfully we're covered!
Feel very sorry for Mrs Webb at Truffle Lodge though. Terrible situation which I hope she can get rectified.
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
Yeah I think Filo has hit the nail on the head. Thankfully we're covered!
Feel very sorry for Mrs Webb at Truffle Lodge though. Terrible situation which I hope she can get rectified.
Pib, not sure how far on you are with your claim, if at all, but I’ve seen things on Facebook about a public loss adjuster that you can bring in on your behalf to deal with the insurance company to ensure they don’t cut corners on restoring your property, they claim their fee from the insurance company, not you
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business
I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the river as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.
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And Boris has just taken the piss, each affected household will be eligible for a £500 grant from the Government. That won’t cover the clean up, never mind the repair bills
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business
I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.
I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business
I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.
I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse
Possibly Filo, but there will be Insurance Companies out there who will insure properties like that.
It may cost a bit more but surely it would be worth it.
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If she made a complaint and went all the way to the FOS she would win this case if it wasn't made clear as day to her that flood cover has been withdrawn. The days of small print and getting away with that are over.
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The Army have arrived at Stainforth, three Army lorry’s in the Central car park
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Managed to escape Fishlake late this afternoon via fire and rescue operation.
Ground floor of house ruined, car might well be finished as well. Pretty devastating.
A lot rings true in the Guardian article above. Very little in terms of warning, virtually no communication most of the way through the night (and today), and the sand bags didn’t arrive until around 5:30am by which point most of the village was under water.
Helpline to the council was bordering on useless as they didn’t really know anything and didn’t seem joined up with the Env’t agency/emergency services at all.
The emergency services were very good though - they were deployed from far and wide to help - West Midlands, Lancashire, Merseyside. Huge thanks to them and the people who gave their time, help and tractors!!
Still alive at least! Everything else is just “stuff”.
Hi pib, just watching the news about Fishlake and heard that lady (Mrs Webb?) saying that her insurance doesn’t cover her for flood damage.
I was wondering whether that applied to everyone in the village and whether you had been able to get flood cover?
You can guess exactly whats happened there, she’s taken out insurance with flood cover, then on her renewal the insurance company has withdrawn that cover in the small print, she’s not checked it (be honest how many do) seen the price seemed ok and got on with her life and business
I am sure that will be the case Filo.
However, living as close to the a River as they do you would expect everyone to check that they had flood cover.
I think the default position from insurers these days is your property needs to be at least 400m from a watercourse
I have the Canal in my back garden - and a small river / Boating Dyke piped up under my garden. I am asked each time I get a quote - are you within 400 metres of a water course and I answer yes. I have never been refused and hope it continues to work like that
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The Labour led council have had a shoeing this morning on TV for their actions in the flood areas, health and safety issues I suppose while the local farmers got in their tractors and got on with the job of helping.
I will just highlight that point again, the Labour led council, that reside in the brand new very expensive Waterdale area of Doncaster (only the best will do) have let the people who vote for them down again.
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You live in Chatsworth House Selby
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I think in time that the review of how Fishlake came to flood will be centred on :
a) something I did not know about till last week that the banks are lower on that side to protect Harfield Main (pit) from flooding
AND just as importantly - moreso
b) Sheffield was protected after last times floods (2007) by massive flood defences. It doesnt take a genius (and I dont pretend to be one) to realise if you build 15 feet high walls along the Don for miles and miles the water within it stays within it till the wall ends
OK thats a simplistic view but very soon Rotherham will have a similar scheme and then Denaby Bentley and Fishlake will then be susceptible again unless and until they are similarly protected.
It does not really matter who turns up to mop up - and score points in Stainy Library - it has to be surely the old adage that prevention is better than cure
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Wolfie, the flood gates for the Ebeck and Went are just as big a problem for that area, when they are shut, which is when the Don is in flood the two rivers back up onto their flood plains, mainly farm land, but has hamlets dotted about it that have for years had housing slowly built on.
Most of the areas effected has flooded in the past, and was managed and improved over time by organisations such as the Went drainage board (which may or may not still exist, I don't know) and much more management was put into drainage such as diking and land drains by the land owners which is mostly now seen as an unnecessary cost, on the approach to Pollington Dikes have actually been filled in to farm up to the road edge those fields now having standing water in them.
Dredging the main water ways was also an activity, if there is two foot of silt in the Don river bed in the fishlake area, it makes the river bank two foot lower for flood water. The authorities including local councils don't seem that bothered, they have now accepted a once in a lifetime risk where most of the cost will be borne by the private land and house holders through their insurance to put right, and if any infrastructure of roads etc in those areas such as Fishlake need doing they can be put back by closing such as the small bridge to Thorne and diverting traffic.
Meanwhile they will still put loads of money into vanity projects, ring fenced pensions, excessive pay to heads of departments, knowing that they can depend on the local electorate to return them until the cows swim home.
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I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.
As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.
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http://www.wmc-idbs.org.uk/IoAaNN/
This is a vital service in my locality.
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I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.
As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.
You lived in Fishlake until you were 30 and your mother until 2002.
Crikey WR, your mother had a very long life mate. 😉
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I cant EVER remember dredging of the Don around Fishlake, I am 68 and lived there from being born till 30, and mother lived there till 2002.
As far as I know the river is much too shallow for conventional dredging, so the alternative is 360 machine and dump trucks.
I was a Stainyite from 51 to 73/74 and I cant remember dredging either tbh - though I have seen some on Don near Thorne
I do remember some massive Floods about 1960 +/- a couple of years. Lots of those interviewed said no houses had been flooded for 100 years so the water obviously did not make it up as far as it has this time
Bet it was "bonny" when the Old River ran at the back of the Anchor and the Post Office !
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The upper Went valley, in the Wentbridge,Smeaton, Norton area was always dredged out periodically, the area from the A19 north of Askern across the fields to the north of Fenwick to Sykehouse being flood plain between those villages and to the north Pollington Snaith and Cowick.
Lots of that area is flooded at the moment as the Went backs up, but basically is working as it should and has receded slightly.
Lot's of youngsters learnt to swim in the Askern area either at Smeaton Crags as it was called as a youngster, a well known picnic area at the time for people from the Upton, South Elmsall, Norton Askern villages, or the cutting near the A19 bridge formed when the Went burst its banks in the early 1920's/30,s and flooded large parts of Fenwick, Moss, Askern area and new flood banks were built and the river re-directed.
Most of the work was done between two world wars, when things were not good for the working man, but authorities took their responsibilities more seriously, councillors were mainly unpaid, and there was a will to get up and sort things out, and less of people in office trying to cut costs at other peoples expense
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http://www.wmc-idbs.org.uk/IoAaNN/
This is a vital service in my locality.
Yes agreed. However as far as I am aware they only manage the drains in the area, the rivers are the responsibility of the environment agency.
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Respect to the lads and lasses of the RRT rapid relief team,of the Plymouth Bretheren, and its smashing to see the fantastic community spirit in the area. I' m just wondering now about the Dunn Drainage scheme, the older folks on here will recall how back in the 80's we had miles and miles of water meadows ranging between Askern and Thorne West to East and the Don and Went south to north. That area soaked up a lot of water in winter. I recall the raised ledges in the meadows for the cattle to get out of the water.over the last 30 years that land has to a large degree been dried out by the Dunn Drainage scheme and the consequence has been a proliferation of 2/300 acre fields appearing as the old 2/3 acre meadows and hedrows have been ripped out. Certainly the greedy farmers have been benefiting from this but it's surely an option to build a Drainage system from new sluice gates on the Don to divert excess water onto that land which could become new wetlands a bit like the scheme at Adwick on dear ie which covers an area equivalent to 90 football pitches. What do other site members have to say?
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The loss of floodplains is an interesting point. When I was a kid, the land on the north side of the Don between Cadeby pit and Denaby Pastures used to flood pretty much every year. The old bridge over the Don between Denaby Crossings and the old Meccy power station (where Denaby Leisure Centre is now) used to be closed regularly because of water getting up to the road level. That floodplain must have acted as a buffer to reduce the flow in through Donny and beyond.
I remember a massive flood in 75 or 76 and that floodplain was submerged for more than a week. I don't remember any major problems downstream that year.
Over the past 30 years, most of that land has been built on and the banks of the Don have been built up and it rarely floods on that side now.
That water has to go somewhere downstream...
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Here's a radical one for you. Extend Thorne Moors/Hatfield Waste.
One of the best ways of soaking up/holding a lot of water is sphagnum moss as it can hold 20 times its own weight of water. There is already a project under way to restore the upland peat bogs on the Pennines so as to reduce the run off.
Remodel the Don to allow it to flood onto the Moors, probably somewhere north of Thorne. It is fairly easy to regulate the water level on the moors in the summer so as to allow room for drastic heavy rainfall at this time of year.
It is after all where the water used to go before Vermuyden drained it.
https://www.moorsforthefuture.org.uk/our-purpose/reducing-the-risk-of-flooding
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The loss of floodplains is an interesting point. When I was a kid, the land on the north side of the Don between Cadeby pit and Denaby Pastures used to flood pretty much every year. The old bridge over the Don between Denaby Crossings and the old Meccy power station (where Denaby Leisure Centre is now) used to be closed regularly because of water getting up to the road level. That floodplain must have acted as a buffer to reduce the flow in through Donny and beyond.
I remember a massive flood in 75 or 76 and that floodplain was submerged for more than a week. I don't remember any major problems downstream that year.
Over the past 30 years, most of that land has been built on and the banks of the Don have been built up and it rarely floods on that side now.
That water has to go somewhere downstream...
I couldn't believe it when they built all those new house in Mexborough on Pastures Road. Surely it was asking for trouble?
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No. The houses on Pastures Road are fine. They are built on land that rises up from the river and that area didn't used to flood anyway from memory.
I'm talking about the land from the other side of Pastures Road right down to by Conisbrough station, where Cadeby pit used to be.
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No. The houses on Pastures Road are fine. They are built on land that rises up from the river and that area didn't used to flood anyway from memory.
I'm talking about the land from the other side of Pastures Road right down to by Conisbrough station, where Cadeby pit used to be.
That was always an iffy area for flooding going back years.
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Doncaster sacrifice to save Sheffield
https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1194723494174560259
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Reasonable logic.
If central Government cuts the funding for flood defences, like the Tories did in 2010, the Environment Agency cannot pull rabbits out of hats. It has to prioritise cost-benefit. So it's I evitable that the investment will go into Sheffield first.
Not nice for people in Fishlake and Bentley to hear, I understand. But you need to stop and think who is at fault here.
This is a perfect example of what Austerity means in practice. When you spend a decade prioritising cutting Govt spending, you leaving people more vulnerable. The cutting of flood defence spending is THE most idiotic thing this Govt has done. Because floods like last week cost us as a country far more than the money saved.
EDIT: This isn't hindsight by the way. Read this from 6 years ago. If your blood doesn't boil, you're a more forgiving man than me.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2013/12/uk-flooding-another-austerity-christmas.html
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Yes billy it doesn't read well, if the last Labour government hadn't left us broke we may have been able to spend money on flood defences.
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Yes billy it doesn't read well, if the last Labour government hadn't left us broke we may have been able to spend money on flood defences.
They didn't. But if you are going to believe the lies of the likes of the Mail and Express...............................
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Yes billy it doesn't read well, if the last Labour government hadn't left us broke we may have been able to spend money on flood defences.
But they didn’t leave us broke, you’re believing right wing lies again
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Selby.
You are beyond hope.
Don't listen to me. Listen to an Oxford University professor of macroeconomics in that link that I posted. He's a world expert on Government finances. He conducted the research that (thankfully) kept us out of the Euro.
Go read what he says about this issue.
Or, if you prefer, just moan about shit instead.
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I see that daft post by Selby has picked up two likes already.
Fascinating isn't it? The determination of folk to cling into lies that result in outcomes that are against their best interests.
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I see that daft post by Selby has picked up two likes already.
Fascinating isn't it? The determination of folk to cling into lies that result in outcomes that are against their best interests.
Eye, as Forrest Gump once said 'Stupid Is As Stupid Does', or as my Dad used to say, 'There's none so blind as them as can't see'.
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They may not have done but if we spend what you lot on here want we'll be screwed within weeks. It has to end somewhere.
As I keep mentioning let's have some proper solutions it doesnt have to cost the earth to sort flooding issues.
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I am not that daft Billy, I never used any bait and caught a shoal of tidlers
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Hilarious Selby. Well done.
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BFYP.
You keep on saying that. I'm not sure where you get your information from that informs that opinion.
Flood defence spending is one of the most blindingly obvious things a Govt can invest in. Projects are quick to get started. They don't cost the earth - they are generally low-tech, well-established, relatively easily planned and costed projects with very quick repayment times.
Do the proper accounting. Look at the alternative of what happens if you DON'T invest in flood defences. You shell out from another pot for the damage done by flooding, and the country suffers from lost output while places recover from flooding.
It is beyond infuriating that we as a country have massively cut back our spending on flood defences. It's outrageous for the poor bas**rds in Fishlake, but all the rest of us are also out of pocket as a result.
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Thanks Billy.
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Seriously now, I do hope that this bloody lot coming down at the moment does not add to the suffering our area is undergoing, although I doubt it, stay safe folks, and all the luck in the world.
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Seriously now, I do hope that this bloody lot coming down at the moment does not add to the suffering our area is undergoing, although I doubt it, stay safe folks, and all the luck in the world.
I would expect a rise in River levels but nowhere near the levels of last week
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Reasonable logic.
If central Government cuts the funding for flood defences, like the Tories did in 2010, the Environment Agency cannot pull rabbits out of hats. It has to prioritise cost-benefit. So it's I evitable that the investment will go into Sheffield first.
Not nice for people in Fishlake and Bentley to hear, I understand. But you need to stop and think who is at fault here.
This is a perfect example of what Austerity means in practice. When you spend a decade prioritising cutting Govt spending, you leaving people more vulnerable. The cutting of flood defence spending is THE most idiotic thing this Govt has done. Because floods like last week cost us as a country far more than the money saved.
EDIT: This isn't hindsight by the way. Read this from 6 years ago. If your blood doesn't boil, you're a more forgiving man than me.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2013/12/uk-flooding-another-austerity-christmas.html
How does that account for 2007 though.
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Yes billy it doesn't read well, if the last Labour government hadn't left us broke we may have been able to spend money on flood defences.
Well thank goodness for the past 10 years of sound economic management by the Tories then. Or is that not what this graph shows?
https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_analysis
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''Council leaders demand huge funding rise after floods
Politicians in northern England warn of lasting damage, after 1,758 properties badly hit''
he mayor of the Sheffield city region, Dan Jarvis, described the flood-stricken village of Fishlake, near Doncaster, as having “the feel of a disaster movie”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/14/council-leaders-demand-huge-funding-rise-after-floods
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Reasonable logic.
If central Government cuts the funding for flood defences, like the Tories did in 2010, the Environment Agency cannot pull rabbits out of hats. It has to prioritise cost-benefit. So it's I evitable that the investment will go into Sheffield first.
Not nice for people in Fishlake and Bentley to hear, I understand. But you need to stop and think who is at fault here.
This is a perfect example of what Austerity means in practice. When you spend a decade prioritising cutting Govt spending, you leaving people more vulnerable. The cutting of flood defence spending is THE most idiotic thing this Govt has done. Because floods like last week cost us as a country far more than the money saved.
EDIT: This isn't hindsight by the way. Read this from 6 years ago. If your blood doesn't boil, you're a more forgiving man than me.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2013/12/uk-flooding-another-austerity-christmas.html
How does that account for 2007 though.
Read that link I put to Simon Wren-Lewis's blog at MainlyMacro.
As he said, there was an independent review in 2007 (coincidentally, at the same time as those floods) which said clearly that flooding was likely to increase in frequency and severity due to climate change. it said that Govt should significantly increase spending on flood defences to counter this. Labour did precisely that. They increased spending on flood defences by 20% between 2007 and 2010, and were planning to increase it further, year on year beyond 2010. But the Tories won the 2010 election and they then immediately cut spending back to the 2007 levels and kept it at that level for several years. The overall result was that, by 2015, the difference between what Labour would have spent and what the Tories did spend was about £1bn.
No, you can criticise the Labour Govt for not spending enough on flood defences BEFORE that 2007 report. That's up for debate, although they didn't have the evidence of the Pitt Report and there had been no serious flooding around Donny for decades. After 2007, we DID have the Pitt Report's guidance. AND we had the evidence that flooding around Donny could be catastrophic. And the Tories ignored both of those facts and cut spending anyway. And nothing was done to protect the Don area north of Sheffield.
But I shouldn't be TOO critical of the Tories.
When the floods hit the Somerset Levels 4 or 5 years back, they immediately found an extra £100m for flood alleviation schemes. I'm sure the fact that every single seat in Somerset is held by a Tory was totally irrelevant to that decision.
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BST,
I have read the article, so please tell me how it accounts for 2007 floods.
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BST,
I have read the article, so please tell me how it accounts for 2007 floods.
Just a suggestion WR but maybe go back and read the first sentence after 'reasonable logic' and take note of the date in the sentence :)
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This grips my shit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-50346121?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5dce55ddae5e22067323a3ce%26People%20%27trying%20to%20steal%20pumps%27%20in%20Doncaster%262019-11-15T07%3A43%3A35.365Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:12e1a38a-b919-4ffe-9397-251eacf67b2e&pinned_post_asset_id=5dce55ddae5e22067323a3ce&pinned_post_type=share
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It must leave those trying to help totally frustrated, maybe the army unless otherwise occupied of course should be brought in sooner to protect against theft and looting leaving local police to help the local people.
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... and this is worse arguably because they have got in and stolen (rather than trying to steal)
Apparantly the local well known villain who finally got a jail sentence for past crimes looks like he has been released
https://www.facebook.com/MMWCDC/posts/2656905507699518 (https://www.facebook.com/MMWCDC/posts/2656905507699518)
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Reasonable logic.
If central Government cuts the funding for flood defences, like the Tories did in 2010, the Environment Agency cannot pull rabbits out of hats. It has to prioritise cost-benefit. So it's I evitable that the investment will go into Sheffield first.
Not nice for people in Fishlake and Bentley to hear, I understand. But you need to stop and think who is at fault here.
This is a perfect example of what Austerity means in practice. When you spend a decade prioritising cutting Govt spending, you leaving people more vulnerable. The cutting of flood defence spending is THE most idiotic thing this Govt has done. Because floods like last week cost us as a country far more than the money saved.
EDIT: This isn't hindsight by the way. Read this from 6 years ago. If your blood doesn't boil, you're a more forgiving man than me.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2013/12/uk-flooding-another-austerity-christmas.html
How does that account for 2007 though.
Read that link I put to Simon Wren-Lewis's blog at MainlyMacro.
As he said, there was an independent review in 2007 (coincidentally, at the same time as those floods) which said clearly that flooding was likely to increase in frequency and severity due to climate change. it said that Govt should significantly increase spending on flood defences to counter this. Labour did precisely that. They increased spending on flood defences by 20% between 2007 and 2010, and were planning to increase it further, year on year beyond 2010. But the Tories won the 2010 election and they then immediately cut spending back to the 2007 levels and kept it at that level for several years. The overall result was that, by 2015, the difference between what Labour would have spent and what the Tories did spend was about £1bn.
No, you can criticise the Labour Govt for not spending enough on flood defences BEFORE that 2007 report. That's up for debate, although they didn't have the evidence of the Pitt Report and there had been no serious flooding around Donny for decades. After 2007, we DID have the Pitt Report's guidance. AND we had the evidence that flooding around Donny could be catastrophic. And the Tories ignored both of those facts and cut spending anyway. And nothing was done to protect the Don area north of Sheffield.
But I shouldn't be TOO critical of the Tories.
When the floods hit the Somerset Levels 4 or 5 years back, they immediately found an extra £100m for flood alleviation schemes. I'm sure the fact that every single seat in Somerset is held by a Tory was totally irrelevant to that decision.
Mr Johnson was on the BBC News this morning saying the Conservatives have been spending more on flood defences than the last Labour government, which is a very selective truth to put it kindly!
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WR.
You've lost me I'm afraid.
2007 was the sort of flooding you used to get once every 50-100 years. Maybe longer timescales than that. Those sorts of floods couldn't ever be entirely ruled out, but they were highly unusual. It would have made little sense to spend money on flood defences in 1950 or 1970 or 1990 because that sort of flooding was rare.
It happened in 2007. The Pitt report published in the same year said previously rare flooding was going to get more common and we should spend a lot more on flood defences. The Tories cut flood defence spending drastically. And it happened again in 2019.
If there's something in that train of facts that you're not happy with, could you be a bit more specific?
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Precisely BST. As unusual as The flooding this week past. Fisklake has not flooded in around 100 years, certainly not in my lifetime anyway. Had the Gulfstream (sorry JETSTREAM) not been in the position it was last Thursday and Friday the rain bearing clouds would have passed and in all probability not deposited its deluge on Don catchment area, and if Sheffield had not conducted flood protection to keep Meadowhall and other areas of Sheffield dry then the flooding of Fishlake possibly would not have happened.
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WR.
I take your point.
But.
1) These events are getting more regular. Partly through climate change. Partly through more urban development leading to water rapidly running off into rivers, rather than holding in doggy ground. So yes, it was a 1 in 100 year event in 2007. Now it's looking more like 1 in 10 years.
As for the flood protection in Sheffield worsening the situation in Fishlake, I agree.
But the answer isn't to do nothing. Sheffield was devastated by the 2007 flooding. It would have been last week if the flood defences hadn't been built. The problem is that the investment didn't go in further downstream. That is absolutely unforgivable.
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WR.
I take your point.
But.
1) These events are getting more regular. Partly through climate change. Partly through more urban development leading to water rapidly running off into rivers, rather than holding in doggy ground. So yes, it was a 1 in 100 year event in 2007. Now it's looking more like 1 in 10 years.
As for the flood protection in Sheffield worsening the situation in Fishlake, I agree.
But the answer isn't to do nothing. Sheffield was devastated by the 2007 flooding. It would have been last week if the flood defences hadn't been built. The problem is that the investment didn't go in further downstream. That is absolutely unforgivable.
So you would build defences all the way to the sea? Would they not then stall anyway (harking back to my previous geography a level so not exactly high class knowledge)? Somewhere has to be flooded.....
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WR.
I take your point.
But.
1) These events are getting more regular. Partly through climate change. Partly through more urban development leading to water rapidly running off into rivers, rather than holding in doggy ground. So yes, it was a 1 in 100 year event in 2007. Now it's looking more like 1 in 10 years.
As for the flood protection in Sheffield worsening the situation in Fishlake, I agree.
But the answer isn't to do nothing. Sheffield was devastated by the 2007 flooding. It would have been last week if the flood defences hadn't been built. The problem is that the investment didn't go in further downstream. That is absolutely unforgivable.
How far downstream would the defences go though BST.
Surely had they gone as far as say Fishlake, the water would have gone over somewhere like Goole.
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Have you ever seen the Mississippi?
You build extra capacity in the river channel where you need it. You allow controlled flooding into flood plain areas. Like Thorne Moor as Wilts discussed a day or two ago.
What's the alternative? Expect Sheffield to flood once a decade? That's economically insane. Protect Sheffield and leave the east side of Donny unprotected? That's immoral.
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Have you ever seen the Mississippi?
You build extra capacity in the river channel where you need it. You allow controlled flooding into flood plain areas. Like Thorne Moor as Wilts discussed a day or two ago.
What's the alternative? Expect Sheffield to flood once a decade? That's economically insane. Protect Sheffield and leave the east side of Donny unprotected? That's immoral.
There was a designated flood plain area close to Donny, off the Barnby Dun to Arksey road.
It was created after problems in the nineties and worked well up to this debacle, since the Sheffield defences were built.
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Sheffield was always going to be protected. Because the financial cost of not doing was too high. A rational plan would have followed the consequences downstream. But that gets cut when the funding is cut.
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Controlled flooding on washlands is the answer, sluice gates to facilitate flooding until that area is full and then flood the next area until full and so on, distribute the water evenly down the river and then pump it back in when the river is down
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Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.
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Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.
The looters were just a rumour, however theives tried to nick the high volume pumps the environment agency brought in.
The community centre one was in Moorends were all the donations were being sent, half hour after it closed for the night
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Apparantly they (he - because they have a big clue as to the persons identity) did not steal anything (at Moorends CC that is) but did smash the door to get in
I saw those 3 ladies on Look North the other night working like dogs to service Fishlake and every resupply trip involved a 40 mile round trip to a secret store. What in the worls have we come to when they felt they needed a secret store. As if they wern't doing enough good already they have to keep stuff in a remote place to stop said t leaves at bay
Well done anyway ladies ! Proud of you all
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Hearing looters are breaking into properties in Fishlake. Also the community centre has been robbed of supplies for the flood victims.
The looters were just a rumour, however theives tried to nick the high volume pumps the environment agency brought in.
The community centre one was in Moorends were all the donations were being sent, half hour after it closed for the night
Shame they can't get swept away in the floods. The thieves btw. Pricks.
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Looters should be shot and their bodies hung from a lamppost as you enter the town as a warning to others.
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it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..
However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!
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it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..
However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!
We have decades of children not being punished for wrong doing to thank for this. They grow up knowing they can do anything they want and you can't touch them.
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Yep, many of them are second and third generation thieves.
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it's times like this that both the good and bad in humanity comes out.There has been some fantastic community spirit shown in these areas with people going to real extremes to help out others.I only know of one a friend of mine is a fireman and the hours they have put in is a credit to them,staying when there off shift to help,farmers as well doing everything they can to help people..it's fantastic to see..
However there is always a tiny minority of people who couldn't care less about other people who will look to take advantage by stealing,it's difficult to identify with these people.I myself had my house robbed a couple of years ago,golf clubs,fishing gear telly etc etc,thats one thing but they even went into my daughters bedroom and stole her peppa pig money box and then into my son's and took his minion one..You've got to be a special kind of lowlife scum to do that..!!
We have decades of children not being punished for wrong doing to thank for this. They grow up knowing they can do anything they want and you can't touch them.
It's called Liberalism AL. It's ruining society. Tell people they have the right to go out on the streets and do what they want, and that's exactly what they'll do.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/muslim-charity-comes-aid-flood-victims-deluged-doncaster-village-1249950
Ironically they are from Bolton
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I saw those 3 ladies on Look North the other night working like dogs to service Fishlake and every resupply trip involved a 40 mile round trip to a secret store. What in the worls have we come to when they felt they needed a secret store. As if they wern't doing enough good already they have to keep stuff in a remote place to stop said t leaves at bay
Well done anyway ladies ! Proud of you all
They weren't local so presumably they were just travelling back to where they lived to collect more supplies.
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I hate to intrude on an old man pub bore-off, but...well, you're talking ba-baa.
Rates for pretty much every type of crime are lower now than they were in 1980.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Crime-survey-for-England-and-Wales-1981-2013-incidence-rates-per-1000-households-or_fig5_296682630
Which raises the question: if liberalism is to blame for the current state of affairs, what in God's name was the problem with people raised in the 1950s?
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BST, as that graph is almost seven years out of date i was wondering how it would look now.
Would cyber theft and scams be included in robbery and we all know that knife attacks have shot up so I guess that would be included in the violence line.
This is not a politically themed question by the way, just a general response to your post.
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Fair question Hound.
This is the only info I can find.
(https://institute.global/sites/default/files/styles/image_regular/public/field_paragraph_image/CRIME_Graphs-01.jpg?itok=JXPi0lHL)
This is from the Crime Survey of England & Wales. They only started including fraud and cyber crime recently. But even including those, the total incidence of crime is still lower than 30-40 years ago. And obviously the figures from 30-40 years ago are underestimates because they don't include fraud.
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Cheers for that.
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Probably because it's a waste of time reporting anything other than 'hate crime' to the Old Bill nowadays.
Car vandalised, 'too busy'.
Shed broken into, 'too busy'.
Burglary, 'too busy'.
Someone called me a nasty name, 'Quick get six patrol cars and a helicopter on the job'.
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I hate to intrude on an old man pub bore-off, but...well, you're talking ba-baa.
Rates for pretty much every type of crime are lower now than they were in 1980.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Crime-survey-for-England-and-Wales-1981-2013-incidence-rates-per-1000-households-or_fig5_296682630
Which raises the question: if liberalism is to blame for the current state of affairs, what in God's name was the problem with people raised in the 1950s?
If that's aimed at me, I don't use pubs these days, and what is it with you and old people? Have you got some sort of dread of it?
It's noticeable that you're always quoting stats and surveys. Who was it who said "There are statistics, more statistics, and damned lies"? I don't understand why you can't just view the world through your own eyes, ears, and brain, instead of someone elses.
Just look around you; no coppers anywhere, a soft judicial system that criminals laugh at, and guns, knives, and drugs everywhere. Can't you see the correlations there?
Anyone suggesting that times are safer nowadays is delusional.
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Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.
Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.
They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.
SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.
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Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.
Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.
They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.
SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.
Cheers for the compliment but I'm not that chuffin' old.
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Yeah, I was waiting for that response AL.
Those figures are from the England and Wales Crime Survey.
They don't use police figures, because that doesn't include unreported crime. They use figures from a massive nationwide survey if people's actual experiences.
SS.
I've said several times before, I don't have any issue with old people. I hope to become one myself before too long. And some of the finest people I've ever known are old people who use their life experience to reflect on the world as it actually is.
Using my own eyes from what I see the place is a lot worse than what it use to be. I always stay aware of who is knocking around me nowadays when walking through any town. As stated elsewhere drugs are rife but you hardly see anyone getting done for possession or anything. A five minute walk through most town centres and you will come across quite a few shady characters lurking in doorways. As I said I dare say most crime does not get reported because there's no chance of the OB doing anything about it, which in itself is not surprising unless they are on the lookout for doughnut thieves in Morrisons. I feel more unsafe and at risk than ever before.
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Crikey, poor bugger, mans body found in floodwater, barnby Dunn to Arksey road.
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/muslim-charity-comes-aid-flood-victims-deluged-doncaster-village-1249950
Ironically they are from Bolton
All I have to say is (in Arabic - thank you very much)
shukra gsilla
شكرا جزيلا