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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: foxbat on November 29, 2019, 01:51:30 pm
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The BBC is in trouble again over some of its coverage of the election
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Do you think the BBC has lost its balance?
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Completely
I have not taken much notice of the Beeb for years thinking they were indeed neutral / impartial but then I saw the crap they were coming out with and the doctoring of Johnson and I was "awoken" to their biased coverage
People have been hammering them of late and I have noticed today they are trying to go over the top to make it look like they are giving the Tories (well Johnsons Dad anyway) a "rougher ride"
Will it last ? Dont know but I will be watching with interest
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The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation? Biassed towards the Tories? Well, who would have thunk it?
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https://youtu.be/9w1y-kMPNcM
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The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation? Biassed towards the Tories? Well, who would have thunk it?
I flagged it up months ago about the grotesquely biassed narrative delivered at every turn by BBC Kuntsbergh
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I don't think it's Television that's the problem here. It's more likely Tunnel vision.
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I don’t think the BBC is biased. I’ve heard arguments from both sides about it but from what I see, there’s no problem. Andrew Neil is undoubtably a right winger but he gives just as much grief to the Tories as he does Labour. Similarly the much maligned Laura Kluinsberg. I often hear her on the radio being highly critical of the Tories.
I’m old enough to remember broadcasters like Robin Day and Brian Waldron accused of being biased & now they’re held up as beacons of impartiality!
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I think it definitely is biased towards the left and Remain, Question Time being a prime example. It is also biased in light entertainment with left-wing programmes like HIGNFY.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/
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There is an extensive research literature on the establishment bias in the UK media.
A good starting point is;
https://www.mediareform.org.uk/
The best recent example of a doctored presentation is the Panorama from John Ware on alleged anti-semitism in Labour.
Scroll down to read the manifesto for change.
I do not agree with all of this, but it is a starting point for debate on a serious issue that undermines democracy as a matter of course.
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I think it definitely is biased towards the left and Remain, Question Time being a prime example. It is also biased in light entertainment with left-wing programmes like HIGNFY.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/
That's because it's well known that everyone on the right has a shite sense of humour.
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
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I wouldn't know BB. I never watch that.
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I'm more comparing Jim Davidson to Stewart Lee.
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Ah you mean one's a comedian and the other one's Stewart Lee? Which ones Paul Merton?
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
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Christ, it's like Capstick Comes Home in real life.
Do you yearn for the days of the Great Pea Soupers SS?
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If I remember correctly, in an interview some years ago Ian Hislop said he’d voted for all 3 major parties over the years but had most recently voted Lib Dem. Paul Merton refused to say, however he did say that Right Wing politicians and comedians make better presenters!
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Christ, it's like Capstick Comes Home in real life.
Do you yearn for the days of the Great Pea Soupers SS?
Come on BST. You're not even trying now.
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BBC political journalists have been stealing a living for the past three years.
The reliance on vox-pop crapheads to fill out programme time is beyond a joke. Yes that's you Nicky Campbell and Emma Barnett.
Newsnight. Give me a break. For two years, the only Brexiters you had on were ERG-ist morons. Dead from the neck up. Redwood, Jenkin, Lilley and Bridgen. Like there weren't any other of the 310 Tory MPs who had an opinion.
And we all pay for this b*llocks.
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To be fair, no one forces you to watch it BigH.
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You're right. But, like you, I have to pay for it!
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I think it definitely is biased towards the left and Remain, Question Time being a prime example. It is also biased in light entertainment with left-wing programmes like HIGNFY.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/
That may be what you think but I think you are wrong. More importantly so does this bloke and he counted up the political affiliation of the panelists on Andrew Neil's Sunday Politics to prove it.
Sorry the chart isn't that clear, it is a still from a video, but the bars are: Left, Centre and Right
The video is good fun btw https://skwawkbox.org/2018/07/02/brilliant-94-second-video-lays-out-bbcs-pro-right-bias-for-all-to-see/
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Ah you mean one's a comedian and the other one's Stewart Lee? Which ones Paul Merton?
Stewart Lee and Mark Steel are the only comedians I've paid to see this year.
Both were brilliant.
Though Tony Hancock and Eric Sykes were great too.
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Thing is Tommy, the only thing a Remainer like you will find funny about Stewart Lee is when he says the word Brexiter. Substitute the word 'Brexiter' for 'Remainer' and you wouldn't find him funny.
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Not really the point Hound. The BBC is supposed to be impartial AND investigative, but their political coverage has been shocking for several years.
It's not good enough to say "you don't have to watch it". It's role is to be the main source of unbiased and incisive news.
The issue that gets me about the BBC news is the regularity that you see someone from the Institute of Economic Affairs being invited on to give their opinion, and being introduced as from a "think tank". Which gives the impression that they are impartial researchers. But they are not. They are a lobby group for ultra-neoliberal economics, and they refuse to say who funds their £20m+ per year costs. They should be introduced as such.
Then there's the obsession with faux balance. So they've frequently had a climate scientist on the news, discussing global warming, followed by Nigel f**king Lawson, who is paid by oil companies to scuttle off round the world saying that the scientific evidence of global warming is wrong.
That's batshit "balance" in anyone's book. It has the feel of the BBC execs being strongarmed by the REAL elite in this country.
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BB
I first saw and appreciated Lee's humourous take on life long before Brexit was a twinkle in your blinkered eye.
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I've never heard Lee use the word Brexiter, so I'd have to take your word on that BB.
He did a decent piece on Top Gear though.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DK7CnMQ4L9Pc&ved=2ahUKEwiBiZukvJDmAhUQYcAKHcI_CQAQwqsBMAB6BAgKEAU&usg=AOvVaw2XNqcLmKFcXHDWG19z6HII
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Even if the BBC or any other news outlet for that matter is completely accurate with its reporting it is still often unfair. The same applies even right down to this forum. Stories of someone being portrayed only in a negative light and completely ignoring any positives they might have is unfair, as is only talking of positives in someone and ignoring the negatives.
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BB
I first saw and appreciated Lee's humourous take on life long before Brexit was a twinkle in your blinkered eye.
Well he might have been good before Brexit, TT, but he was rubbish on the Youtube set I've seen since.
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Even if the BBC or any other news outlet for that matter is completely accurate with its reporting it is still often unfair. The same applies even right down to this forum. Stories of someone being portrayed only in a negative light and completely ignoring any positives they might have is unfair, as is only talking of positives in someone and ignoring the negatives.
Scrolls through BB's posts looking for positive comments about Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. I may be a while.
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Hey, look a bit closer owd lad. I've always maintained that Corbyn's the greatest thing that's happened to politics......... From a Tory perspective, anyway.
As for Diane Abbott, she's.................she's...........well,...........she's............she's........Is that the phone?......must go.
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Even if the BBC or any other news outlet for that matter is completely accurate with its reporting it is still often unfair. The same applies even right down to this forum. Stories of someone being portrayed only in a negative light and completely ignoring any positives they might have is unfair, as is only talking of positives in someone and ignoring the negatives.
Scrolls through BB's posts looking for positive comments about Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. I may be a while.
I think Jezza and Dianne are doing a great job...The Tories haven't even had to pay em out!
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Even if the BBC or any other news outlet for that matter is completely accurate with its reporting it is still often unfair. The same applies even right down to this forum. Stories of someone being portrayed only in a negative light and completely ignoring any positives they might have is unfair, as is only talking of positives in someone and ignoring the negatives.
I don't particularly like either of them but they pale when compared to shambolic Boris. Both in lies and false facts.
Scrolls through BB's posts looking for positive comments about Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. I may be a while.
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The BBC is a national joke. It couldn't be more anti British, anti Brexit if it tried. It's run by a bunch of PC luvvies from Hampstead.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1180907/bbc-bias-brexit-john-humphrys-today-radio-presenter-new-book
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:)
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
Wow, can see why you voted Brexit. Someone's living in the past, eh?
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
Wow, can see why you voted Brexit. Someone's living in the past, eh?
It will shortly become a criminal offence to have a sense of humour in the UK. It is being brainwashed out of the younger generation at school and certainly university.
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
Wow, can see why you voted Brexit. Someone's living in the past, eh?
It will shortly become a criminal offence to have a sense of humour in the UK. It is being brainwashed out of the younger generation at school and certainly university.
You're right AL, but it's people of all ages that are being brainwashed
Iran should have a nuclear bomb and Britain should supply it
Which current British political leader wrote that in 2006? Big clue - he currently has our nuclear codes
https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1200051240547299328
Are you one of them?
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
Wow, can see why you voted Brexit. Someone's living in the past, eh?
Of course I'm living in the past. Things were better then than the sh*thole we live in now.
As regards Brexit, that's not in the past, it's the future. Get used to it.
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And Tony Blair claimed 'Education, education, education!' was his mantra.... What on Earth happened?
Regards
BobG
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....And you base that on Ian Hislop and Paul Merton having a good sense of humour?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I see what you did there! You were joking, weren't you! I'm a bit slow tonight!
Dead right BB. Modern day left wing alternative comedians are about as funny as toothache. They should seriously look at some videos of people like Eric Morecambe, Eric Sykes, Tony Hancock, Tommy Cooper, and Ken Dodd. Then they'll be seeing comedy genius.
Wow, can see why you voted Brexit. Someone's living in the past, eh?
Of course I'm living in the past. Things were better then than the sh*thole we live in now.
As regards Brexit, that's not in the past, it's the future. Get used to it.
Hopefully not as this "shithole" will only get worse after Brexit.
Wake up and smell the coffee. The problems the Tories not the EU.
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And Tony Blair claimed 'Education, education, education!' was his mantra.... What on Earth happened?
Regards
BobG
A long time ago, but I was a Head of a Primary school during the Labour years, it was a good time for funding. We had money to start employing extra teachers and classroom assistants, our budget was healthy and we had building improvements too. Downside was Ofsted and Blunkets pay structures.
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:):) Hounslow. I wasn't picking holes in Tony or his policy. Rather I was wondering why all that effort and all that money had so little impact.
Cheers :)
BobG
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The BBC actively hiding the Dad of the London Bridge victim's criticsm of Boris Johnson is something to behold where of course if he had criticised Jeremy Corbyn it would have been headine news for 2 days at least.
Amazing levels of bias. So bad for our democracy.
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The BBC has let us all down.
When the IFS was equally critical of Tory & Labour manifestos, the BBC cited the IFS criticism of Labour 10x more.
From video editing to Kuenssberg’s behaviour, the BBC are helping Johnson by a series of nudges.
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I thought it was probably me but then I read this by Peter Oborne today:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/election-coverage-bbc-tories
Peter Oborne is the former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph. Proper old school Tory.
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The Labour Party has complained to the BBC, claiming the broadcaster’s election coverage is “slanted and biased”.
The party listed frustrations over “anti-Labour framing” and “the decision to allow the Conservative leader to ‘pick and choose’ his BBC platform” in a statement revealing a letter has been sent to Tony Hall, the broadcaster’s director general.
The letter, signed by co-campaign coordinator Andrew Gwynne, claimed the broadcaster had “repeatedly shown bias in its reporting of the Labour Party and its leadership” and had failed in its “obligations to fairness and impartiality” during the 2019 general election campaign.
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Utterly unbelievable today.
The Tories sent Matt Hancock to Leeds General today, about that kid being left laying on the floor.
He was heckled by Lab supporters on the way out.
Laura Kuenssberg tweeted that o e of the hecklers punched Hancock's adviser.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Squirrel69Red/status/1204080954689540097
Horrible thing to happen. Disgraceful behaviour by the Lab supporters.
Except...oh yeah. It never happened.
Her source for this?
Conservative HQ.
But it never happened.
The Tories lied about this, whispered it to that f**king useless excuse for a journalist, and she spewed out the lie to anyone following her.
This is simply unacceptable in an election campaign. And it's not the first time that she's just parrotted what Tory HQ want her to say.
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Said for years the BBC needs to go
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The BBC behaviour in this election has been appalling. The story here should have been a big splash. "Tory HQ, deliberately lying to BBC over assault claim".
Instead, she tweets out the claim then quietly deletes it later when she realises she's been played.
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Agreed and for a so called national broadcaster its poor
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The more I read those Tweets by Kuenssberg...
"Not entirely clear what happened, but since it's three days from the Election, I'll post a set of unsubstantiated (read: "lying") claims of what happened from Tory HQ".
Isn't this a sacking offence?
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Gross misconduct
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For the record, I've been arguing for the past 18 months with Corbynista friends that they were wrong in their criticisms of bias at the BBC.
I'm feeling a reight chump after this campaign.
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If we wanted to be generous it's a poor journo not checking sources
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Ldr.
Yes. But that requires
1) Ignoring the sensitivity of getting shit right, this close to an election campaign.
2) The track record of the BBC right through the campaign. I listened to R4 Today programme last Friday morning while getting ready for work. SIX times in 30 mins a presenter or reporter used the phrase "Get Brexit Done". Just parrotting the Tories' key campaign line. Four times in that period, they called the PM "Boris", not "Boris Johnson" or "Mr Johnson", which just plays Johnson's game for him. It's appallingly lazy at best. Partisan at worst.
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You doubt it BST though? I dont
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Meanwhile. We were talking about whether certain news organs coukd be trusted.
THIS is that disgusting rag, The Express, 3 hours after it became clear that no-one was hit at the Leeds Hospital.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1214958/matt-hancock-adviser-punched-labour-activist-leeds-hospital/amp
And this is the Mail, which WAS headlining that there had been a punch thrown. They've corrected that at least, but are still running with the entirely unsubstantiated claim from Tory HQ that this was a rentamob deliberately sent by Labour
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7773113/amp/Labour-activist-PUNCHES-Matt-Hancocks-adviser-Leeds-hospital.html
At least one of the hecklers has said that he works 200 yards away and went of his own accord to heckle Hancock.
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And this is how Kuenssberg finishes off the story.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204105643424206849
Not "The Tories lied to me and deliberately and cynically used me as a naive vehicle to distract attention away from the real story about the underfunding of the NHS".
No. It's "Labour says the Tories lied". So anyone with an anti-Labour lean will just discount it.
This is either horrifically bad journalism or it's deliberate bias. The effect of this, month on month, year on year is massive.
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Said it months back, BST her biassed reporting on brexit was clear. News organisations are supposed to report facts but instead the BBC have morphed into campaigners on whatever political agenda they like, lacing reporting of information with biassed opinion.
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Everyone who has given their opinion on that story of the kid in A&E.
Read this..
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/12/10/trolls-sock-puppets-and-useful-idiots-an-anatomy-of-an-election-disinformation-campaign/
This is what the Tories are doing to our democracy. It's NOT both sides. It's one side. Every time.
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88% of Tory ads have been shown to be misleading in the GE campaign.
0% of Labour ads are misleading.
BBC headline: "General Election 2019: Ads are dishonest and untruthful."
No mention of the Tories. The BBC simply maintains the pretence of balance. We need a public inquiry.
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By the way. The Tories' disinformation is working. We have folk on here repeating the precise words of the lies put out on social media.
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88% of Tory ads have been shown to be misleading in the GE campaign.
0% of Labour ads are misleading.
BBC headline: "General Election 2019: Ads are dishonest and untruthful."
No mention of the Tories. The BBC simply maintains the pretence of balance. We need a public inquiry.
Saw this article, could barely believe it. 88% of Tory ads are misleading. 0% of Labour ads are misleading. Auntie Beeb says all election ads are misleading in the interest of "balance". It seems like the BBC isn't interested in finding the truth anymore, they're interested in people arguing the toss. And then you wonder why threads in here always end up the way they do. It's across the country. I really struggle to think how we recover from this.
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The social media issue just took a sinister turn;
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-general-election-political-ads-library-a9240586.html
The timing of this is very suspect.
The full FT article is here;
https://www.ft.com/content/e6fb805e-1b78-11ea-97df-cc63de1d73f4
Try it, but I am not sure if it is behind their paywall.
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How does Laura Kuensberg know how the postal votes are looking - when they are not supposed to have been opened yet? And certainly should never be shown to journalists who then comment 'how they are looking for a particular party?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1215887/BBC-news-laura-kuenssberg-election-postal-votes-labour-jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/concerns-raised-as-laura-kuenssberg-reveals-insight-into-how-postal-votes-are-stacking-up-1-6420389