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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Sprotyrover on December 14, 2019, 12:13:36 am
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Tonight as I type ,the great unwashed clearly unhappy at loosing their free Sbroadband and other free stuff still can't face up to reality and get Jobseeking instead they cause trouble in Central London.
Reminds me of the Nazi Brownshirts!
Report on Bbc news page for those who need Sauce!
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Demanding a re-vote?
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And so it goes on...
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It was predicted.
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Protesting against a party who’s policies have, and will continue, to cause untold misery to millions of people? Seems like democracy to me. And the numbers involved in these protests will increase as people who voted Tory realise that, actually, the conservatives really don’t give a shit about them.
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And so it goes on...
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And so it goes on...
Walk around with your eyes open BB and see what Tory policy is doing to people.
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This is a pointless argument Herbert. You are a bad loser and aren't willing to give the victors a chance to fulfil their promises. If going on and on repeating yourself is your way forward then you'll end up talking to yourself.
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They don’t realise is the reason Labour lost is Jezza himself
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-polling-that-proves-the-incompetence-and-indecency-of-jeremy-corbyn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
COYR
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This is a pointless argument Herbert. You are a bad loser and aren't willing to give the victors a chance to fulfil their promises. If going on and on repeating yourself is your way forward then you'll end up talking to yourself.
[/quoteThis is a pointless argument Herbert. You are a bad loser and aren't willing to give the victors a chance to fulfil their promises. If going on and on repeating yourself is your way forward then you'll end up talking to yourself.
You really are a bellend!! Can't even be bothered to add anything constructive... Just wanted to state a fact...
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The British public have got the government they deserve.
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Not really Kato.
The truth is that the British people got the government that they elected.
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profound
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Not really Kato.
The truth is that the British people got the government that they elected.
Surely, they deserve what they elected?
I accept that the current government were not elected by the majority of people eligible to vote, and not even by a majority of those who did vote. But that's our current system, and until it changes the country will continue to get the government it deserves.
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
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Not really Kato.
The truth is that the British people got the government that they elected.
Surely, they deserve what they elected?
I accept that the current government were not elected by the majority of people eligible to vote, and not even by a majority of those who did vote. But that's our current system, and until it changes the country will continue to get the government it deserves.
We have to get the wording right though.
It is the government that WE elected, not that THEY elected.
A bit like when the Brexiteers say “the people have spoken” and tell us that WE Voted to leave.
Only a small proportion of people who were eligible to vote in the referendum actually voted to leave.
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And so it goes on...
Walk around with your eyes open BB and see what Tory policy is doing to people.
What, like reducing their income tax by over £1000 a year in the last 9 years and having more people in work than ever before?? 🤔🤔
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This is a pointless argument Herbert. You are a bad loser and aren't willing to give the victors a chance to fulfil their promises. If going on and on repeating yourself is your way forward then you'll end up talking to yourself.
BB
Yes I am a bad loser. I’m a bad loser because the country has voted for a proven liar as PM and nobody seems to give a shit!
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Maybe those who voted for Boris prefered a liar to someone who they think is a threat to national security and has previous dodgy associations with terrorists?
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And so it goes on...
Walk around with your eyes open BB and see what Tory policy is doing to people.
What, like reducing their income tax by over £1000 a year in the last 9 years and having more people in work than ever before?? 🤔🤔
Or schools with reduced funding, social services cut, working people using food banks. Yep all is ok isn’t it??
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
On the footage I saw I would say several hundred disgruntled tosses who are a bit upset that they have lost the free ride they were promised and like most of the Far left 'Twittery ' they can't come to terms with reality!
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They don’t realise is the reason Labour lost is Jezza himself
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-polling-that-proves-the-incompetence-and-indecency-of-jeremy-corbyn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
COYR
Excellent article
Key Corbynista Ash Sarkar wrote in the Guardian a couple of days ago:
‘It is a myth that Labour has lost the working class.’
That hasn’t aged well. Across the country the working classes have abandoned Labour, because Labour abandoned them. It sneered at their vote for Brexit; it looked down its nose at their cultural values; it called them racist and xenophobic for being critical of the European Union and concerned about mass immigration.
Labour embraced an agenda of identity politics over community values, EU neoliberalism over British patriotism and radical virtue-signalling over the ideals of family, work and togetherness. And its working-class base said no, no, no.
From an earlier article
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Not really Kato.
The truth is that the British people got the government that they elected.
They’re getting the government they deserve. They can’t claim that they weren’t warned about the consequences of a Tory Government. Many of us have been shouting from the rooftops and have been ridiculed and ignored. Nobody who’s voted Tory can complain they didn’t know.
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They don’t realise is the reason Labour lost is Jezza himself
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-polling-that-proves-the-incompetence-and-indecency-of-jeremy-corbyn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
COYR
The Spectator? That’ll be a balanced opinion then won’t it! Yet people claim they’re not influenced by the media...
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
On the footage I saw I would say several hundred disgruntled tosses who are a bit upset that they have lost the free ride they were promised and like most of the Far left 'Twittery ' they can't come to terms with reality!
Maybe they’re protesting that we now have an extreme right government who will continue the austerity policy that’s negatively affected so many people? Maybe they have a social conscience?
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
On the footage I saw I would say several hundred disgruntled tosses who are a bit upset that they have lost the free ride they were promised and like most of the Far left 'Twittery ' they can't come to terms with reality!
Maybe they’re protesting that we now have an extreme right government who will continue the austerity policy that’s negatively affected so many people? Maybe they have a social conscience?
Maybe... they need to get a job, start paying taxes and contribute to the state instead of undermining it. Hey if things are a mess in 18 months time I will on the streets too. But not the day after the general election,its childish behaviour, they will be burning down synagogues next!
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You've had over nine years to get out on the streets sproty, I don't think you have it in you :)
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rtid88
You called BB a bellend. THAT kind of insult is the precise reason why your party have just scored their worst result since 1935.
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SS.
Johnson called working class men feckless drunks.
He called gays "bum boys".
He called Muslim women as looking like terrorists.
Dominic Raab called British workers "amongst the worst idlers in the world".
Odd that you've never shown any offence at any of that.
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Merry Christmas
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SS.
Johnson called working class men feckless drunks.
He called gays "bum boys".
He called Muslim women as looking like terrorists.
Dominic Raab called British workers "amongst the worst idlers in the world".
Odd that you've never shown any offence at any of that.
Once again BST, you've completely missed my point. I'm talking about the reasons Labour got thumped, and sneers and insults contributed to that.
Of course I object to crass comments made by Johnson, but he's not under scrutiny for defeat.
If Labour don't learn from the mistakes they've made in the last 3 years, they'll not make the progress they need to before the next election.
It was interesting to hear comments last night by that old Labour war horse, Lord Falconer; he said that somehow "We will honour the Referendum result" morphed into "We will hold a second referendum". He was stressing the fact that the new leader has just got to be more decisive, and has got to listen to the voters.
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That's what I don't get though SS.
I see your point about sneers and insults contributing to Labour's defeat.
I don't understand why sneers and insults from Johnson didn't harm him one jot.
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You've had over nine years to get out on the streets sproty, I don't think you have it in you :)
Well we were plunged into recession and I had witnessed at first hand the part labour played in it.
I always assumed that some of the cuts, particularly to Criminal Justice would be disastrous for the Tori’s, it is a sad indictment on the Morons running Labour that they were totally unable to exploit it.
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That's what I don't get though SS.
I see your point about sneers and insults contributing to Labour's defeat.
I don't understand why sneers and insults from Johnson didn't harm him one jot.
Ah, now we're getting somewhere. Johnson's sneers and insults, as bad as they were, weren't aimed at his own supporters.
Over the next 4 years, Labour supporters desperately need to find a way to heal old wounds and come together, or the Party will be f*cked forever.
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
I honestly have no idea what your point is in all of this. As a Labour supporter, you need to dissect what went wrong with THEIR performance, not Johnson's. What happened with the Tories is history, gone, done with.
If you and your Party don't put right the wrongs of this election over the next 4 years, then you'll get tanked again, it's as simple as that.
Any party that gets trounced by a Tory government as poor as this one, has got to do some soul searching as to why.
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
On the footage I saw I would say several hundred disgruntled tosses who are a bit upset that they have lost the free ride they were promised and like most of the Far left 'Twittery ' they can't come to terms with reality!
Maybe they’re protesting that we now have an extreme right government who will continue the austerity policy that’s negatively affected so many people? Maybe they have a social conscience?
Maybe... they need to get a job, start paying taxes and contribute to the state instead of undermining it. Hey if things are a mess in 18 months time I will on the streets too. But not the day after the general election,its childish behaviour, they will be burning down synagogues next!
So by June 2021 sproty will be out on the streets protesting/rampaging because council funding hasn't been restored to previous levels and Austerity ended. NHS 40 hospitals built (maybe just 6) waiting lists down to a reasonable level and funding restored. Minimum wage raised. What else sproty what is your criteria that will drive you onto the streets, have you protested before?
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Just reading up about this attempted revolution.
17 million people voted against the Tories on Thursday and literally TENS of them turned to to demonstrate.
Haven't you got owt better to do lads?
On the footage I saw I would say several hundred disgruntled tosses who are a bit upset that they have lost the free ride they were promised and like most of the Far left 'Twittery ' they can't come to terms with reality!
Err Rome wasn't built in a Day and 40 hospitals in 18 months, I doubt very much I will have anything to demonstrate about. I foresee Police numbers up by 10,000. But there will be issues because of the ludicrous University scheme coming in which is doomed to failure.there will be plenty of money for the Znhs as the Torys Wreap the harvest of their massive majority and strong Pound Sterling. There will be massive investment in the country which will have got over the 12 month hump caused by. Brexit. And I foresee you and you lefty hums still falling out over the poorly picked Succesor to Corbyn, courtesy of Momentum !
Maybe they’re protesting that we now have an extreme right government who will continue the austerity policy that’s negatively affected so many people? Maybe they have a social conscience?
Maybe... they need to get a job, start paying taxes and contribute to the state instead of undermining it. Hey if things are a mess in 18 months time I will on the streets too. But not the day after the general election,its childish behaviour, they will be burning down synagogues next!
So by June 2021 sproty will be out on the streets protesting/rampaging because council funding hasn't been restored to previous levels and Austerity ended. NHS 40 hospitals built (maybe just 6) waiting lists down to a reasonable level and funding restored. Minimum wage raised. What else sproty what is your criteria that will drive you onto the streets, have you protested before?
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You would expect within 18 months to
1 Crash out no-deal
2 Trade deal with EU
3Trade deal with US
4 20% of police numbers promised hired
5 20% of Nurses promised hired
6 Austerity over which will mean council and any other funding returned to pre austerity levels ready for funding increases missed during last 9 years over next 3.5years.
7 Increase in minimum wages
8 NHS funding increased to cover all shortfalls created over last 9 years.
9 6 hospitals targeted and 20% of progress made.
10 Increase in overall busiiness and trade, won't be hard to beat today's levels.
Anything I've missed?
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
I honestly have no idea what your point is in all of this. As a Labour supporter, you need to dissect what went wrong with THEIR performance, not Johnson's. What happened with the Tories is history, gone, done with.
If you and your Party don't put right the wrongs of this election over the next 4 years, then you'll get tanked again, it's as simple as that.
Any party that gets trounced by a Tory government as poor as this one, has got to do some soul searching as to why.
I'm not questioning that SS. And I will be part of that process.
My point is more a general moral one. There's a lot of rushing to complain about the odd insult from one side, with little criticism about insults from the other. That has to change if we are going to improve as a nation.
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You would expect within 18 months to
1 Crash out no-deal
2 Trade deal with EU
3Trade deal with US
4 20% of police numbers promised hired
5 20% of Nurses promised hired
6 Austerity over which will mean council and any other funding returned to pre austerity levels ready for funding increases missed during last 9 years over next 3.5years.
7 Increase in minimum wages
8 NHS funding increased to cover all shortfalls created over last 9 years.
9 6 hospitals targeted and 20% of progress made.
10 Increase in overall busiiness and trade, won't be hard to beat today's levels.
Anything I've missed?
That's great Sydney we can re visit this in 18 months now trott off and do some social work!
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Activist not social worker sprot
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Maybe you need to cut back on your 'Activities' you just contributed to a humiliating defeat for Labour, maybe you should direct your energies to getting rid of The Momentum grip on the party, starting with yourself!
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See my alias sprot that may give you a clue :)
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
Maybe he meant the shirking class rather than the working class. There is a difference.
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Absof**kinglutely.
I reckon none of them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids voted Conservative.
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AL.
Maybe he did. He didn't say that though. Maybe if he'd meant that, he should have made it clear.
I prefer to make my judgements on what people actually say, rather than what I'd like them to say.
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Absof**kinglutely.
I reckon none of them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids voted Conservative.
Maybe that should be Asbof**kinglutely.
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
Maybe he meant the shirking class rather than the working class. There is a difference.
Absof**kinglutely.
I reckon none of them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids voted Conservative.
Well, you've got to blame somebody for today's ills....
https://eand.co/this-is-how-a-society-dies-35bdc3c0b854
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A mate just posted this on Facebook and it makes frightening reading.😳
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And here's me thinking society dies when a parliament tries to disallow a democratic vote.
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And here's me thinking society dies when a parliament tries to disallow a democratic vote.
What democratic vote was that then BB?
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
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SS.
How many working class folk have voted for Johnson after he called them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids?
Once again you had an opportunity to condemn that. But oddly you don't.
Maybe he meant the shirking class rather than the working class. There is a difference.
Absof**kinglutely.
I reckon none of them feckless drunks and single mothers raising feral kids voted Conservative.
Well, you've got to blame somebody for today's ills....
https://eand.co/this-is-how-a-society-dies-35bdc3c0b854
It tallies with what has been said by bst and others that Austrerity did the groundwork for brexit with the right wing press playing a confirmatory roll in urging people that should know better to attach blame to those on welfare and blame immigrants for all their ills. Pretty sad state of affairs really when a lying racist tw#t is seen by some as a white knight.
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
You do know that that referendum was undemocratic don't you BB? To the point where, had it not been advisory, it would have been declared null and void. That the government then went ahead and acted on it is unforgivable.
We did have a fairly and correctly run democratic referendum though, and you must remember it - whether Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham etc should be part of One Yorkshire or of a newly formed Sheffield/South Yorkshire conglomerate. The result of that referendum, you do remember don't you, was over 80% for One Yorkshire. So what did the government do? They ignored the result because it wasn't what they wanted.
And you talk about democracy?
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So, the EU referendum was undemocratic, but a second one would have been democratic?
Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
You do know that that referendum was undemocratic don't you BB? To the point where, had it not been advisory, it would have been declared null and void. That the government then went ahead and acted on it is unforgivable.
We did have a fairly and correctly run democratic referendum though, and you must remember it - whether Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham etc should be part of One Yorkshire or of a newly formed Sheffield/South Yorkshire conglomerate. The result of that referendum, you do remember don't you, was over 80% for One Yorkshire. So what did the government do? They ignored the result because it wasn't what they wanted.
And you talk about democracy?
Yes a referendum that was an absolute waste of time and was so well done only 20% of the electorate bothered/cared...
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So, the EU referendum was undemocratic, but a second one would have been democratic?
Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Where did I say anything about a second referendum in the above BB? Did you not understand what I wrote?
I genuinely think you have a problem, and I genuinely think you need to seek help BB. Seriously.
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
You do know that that referendum was undemocratic don't you BB? To the point where, had it not been advisory, it would have been declared null and void. That the government then went ahead and acted on it is unforgivable.
We did have a fairly and correctly run democratic referendum though, and you must remember it - whether Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham etc should be part of One Yorkshire or of a newly formed Sheffield/South Yorkshire conglomerate. The result of that referendum, you do remember don't you, was over 80% for One Yorkshire. So what did the government do? They ignored the result because it wasn't what they wanted.
And you talk about democracy?
Yes a referendum that was an absolute waste of time and was so well done only 20% of the electorate bothered/cared...
Where are the rules for an advisory referendum that state that there must be a particular % of voters, or turnout to count?
It was a correctly run referendum, the result of which the government chose, as is their right in an advisory referendum, to ignore.
As to it being a waste of time, we now have a Mayor for Sheffield and South Yorkshire without portfolio - a bigger wast of time IMO than running it in the first place.
But you miss the point of my post BFYP, but then, that's hardly surprising!
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So, the EU referendum was undemocratic, but a second one would have been democratic?
Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Where did I say anything about a second referendum in the above BB? Did you not understand what I wrote?
I genuinely think you have a problem, and I genuinely think you need to seek help BB. Seriously.
Oh, indeed I do have a problem NNK. I have a problem with exceedingly poor losers like you who come out with rubbish like the EU referendum wasn't democratic. I genuinely think you need help from one of your handful of lefty associates on here to brazenly rubber stamp your bullshit.
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Haven't both Farage and Cummins said that they would not have accepted a lose vote in the referendum?
I despair that nobody on either side has shown any sign of having the ability to negotiate a decent trade agreement with any other country or bloc. The arguement and ramifications of this will go on for years in my opinion and we will all suffer whichever side of the divide you are on.
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Why is it bb that you're the most likely one to escalate the conversation to be the first to post abuse, you want to provoke in whatever form you like but lets be honest here you can't take it can you :)
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So, the EU referendum was undemocratic, but a second one would have been democratic?
Oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Where did I say anything about a second referendum in the above BB? Did you not understand what I wrote?
I genuinely think you have a problem, and I genuinely think you need to seek help BB. Seriously.
Oh, indeed I do have a problem NNK. I have a problem with exceedingly poor losers like you who come out with rubbish like the EU referendum wasn't democratic. I genuinely think you need help from one of your handful of lefty associates on here to brazenly rubber stamp your bullshit.
BB, it gets to the point where you are making yourself look more like a troll with every post you make in this section. You're obviously not stupid based on posts you make in other areas, such as VC; so why here?
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Why is it bb that you're the most likely one to escalate the conversation to be the first to post abuse, you want to provoke in whatever form you like but lets be honest here you can't take it can you :)
rtid88 called BB a bellend in one of the first posts on this thread.
Also, you accusing people of being abusive is a bit rich.
You called BB a c**t recently.
The post has now been removed so I assume you got a warning about that.
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So hound to 'balance' the debate would you like to tell everyone who was the first in that thread to kick off the abuse? and all the shit I and others have been obliged to take from the the attention seeking child?
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Sydney, I obviously didn't expect you to turn over a new leaf and actually be right for the first time in 3 years, and unsurprisingly you're not in this latest issue. It was YOU who started the aggression in the Reasons To Be Cheerful thread, as usual, initially with your juvenile emoji's followed by your first post of the string of those that were deleted.
It is without any shadow of a doubt YOU who is the instigator of sarcastic provocation in most of these threads, but I get blamed by your handful of like-minded lefties because when I respond to them I prove to be consistently better than you at it.
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
You do know that that referendum was undemocratic don't you BB? To the point where, had it not been advisory, it would have been declared null and void. That the government then went ahead and acted on it is unforgivable.
We did have a fairly and correctly run democratic referendum though, and you must remember it - whether Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham etc should be part of One Yorkshire or of a newly formed Sheffield/South Yorkshire conglomerate. The result of that referendum, you do remember don't you, was over 80% for One Yorkshire. So what did the government do? They ignored the result because it wasn't what they wanted.
And you talk about democracy?
What the hell is wrong with you? Your party has just been f*cking SLAUGHTERED because of people like YOU, with all the insulting and sneering, whining and moaning, and stamping your feet like spoiled children, instead of acting like a man and being gracious in defeat.
If people like you carry on over the next 4 years the way you've acted over the last 3 years, your party will get tonked again in 2024, that's for sure.
All the Labour MPs that have been on the news broadcasts over the last few days have admitted they need to stop blaming everyone else but themselves, and show some humility in defeat and move on.
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Look the Election is done and dusted, cant we all just get back to abusing each other over Brexit?
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The 2016 EU referendum, which was one of the largest democratic exercises in the UK’s history.
You do know that that referendum was undemocratic don't you BB? To the point where, had it not been advisory, it would have been declared null and void. That the government then went ahead and acted on it is unforgivable.
We did have a fairly and correctly run democratic referendum though, and you must remember it - whether Doncaster, Barnsley and Rotherham etc should be part of One Yorkshire or of a newly formed Sheffield/South Yorkshire conglomerate. The result of that referendum, you do remember don't you, was over 80% for One Yorkshire. So what did the government do? They ignored the result because it wasn't what they wanted.
And you talk about democracy?
What the hell is wrong with you? Your party has just been f*cking SLAUGHTERED because of people like YOU, with all the insulting and sneering, whining and moaning, and stamping your feet like spoiled children, instead of acting like a man and being gracious in defeat.
If people like you carry on over the next 4 years the way you've acted over the last 3 years, your party will get tonked again in 2024, that's for sure.
All the Labour MPs that have been on the news broadcasts over the last few days have admitted they need to stop blaming everyone else but themselves, and show some humility in defeat and move on.
It's not my party! And show me where I've sneered at anyone in what I've said there.
What I've posted are facts, but people like you appear to prefer sound-bites over truth and reality. No wonder the country is in such a mess!
Are you happy the the referendum was influenced by Russian money, Russian bots, illegal collection and use of personal data by Cambridge Analytica? That Vote Leave broke the law during their campaign? Or is 'winning' because of all the lies and cheating all that is important to you?
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-referendum-corruptly-won-but-result-stands/
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1100045810350346242?lang=en
https://www.dw.com/en/what-role-did-cambridge-analytica-play-in-the-brexit-vote/a-43151460
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We don't need to suddenly start thinking Brexit will be amazing, it will damage the country and even people like JRM have said it won't improve for 50 years. We also don't need to shut up saying how the referendum was a poor one as their should have been a multiple choice option to decide what people wanted but yes we do now need to accept Brexit us unfortunately going to happen and unfortunately people have voted the Conservatives in and we'll have 5 years of them. Based on the results, the seats weren't won by the Tories, they were lost by Labour and the polling points to that being because of Corbyn's image and the policy on Brexit.
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DO, how would a Labour supporter who wanted to leave the EU have voted last week?
Bearing in mind the Labour position of no commitment to Brexit.
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Why is it bb that you're the most likely one to escalate the conversation to be the first to post abuse, you want to provoke in whatever form you like but lets be honest here you can't take it can you :)
wrong again hound
rtid88 called BB a bellend in one of the first posts on this thread.
Also, you accusing people of being abusive is a bit rich.
You called BB a c**t recently.
The post has now been removed so I assume you got a warning about that.
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Why is it bb that you're the most likely one to escalate the conversation to be the first to post abuse, you want to provoke in whatever form you like but lets be honest here you can't take it can you :)
wrong again hound
rtid88 called BB a bellend in one of the first posts on this thread.
Also, you accusing people of being abusive is a bit rich.
You called BB a c**t recently.
The post has now been removed so I assume you got a warning about that.
Maybe wrong about the warning but not wrong about what you said to BB.
Oh and I wrote my response in the right place.
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you're so cool hound :s
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DO, how would a Labour supporter who wanted to leave the EU have voted last week?
Bearing in mind the Labour position of no commitment to Brexit.
Depends on what they weigh up as the most important issue to them, leaving the EU or reversing austerity.
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Hound.
A Labour supporter who wanted us to leave the EU could have voted Labour, knowing that there would have been a Ref2 in which they could have voted for the specific "Leave" that would have been on that ballot.
I've still not heard a single rational argument as to why that would have been an undemocratic outcome.
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The argument from the labour leavers is simple Billy,they didn't want a second referendum full stop...They believed and rightly so in my opinion ,that IF Labour would have been elected in this Election their position would have swiftly changed to remain.
Practically,the whole of the front bench and the vast majority of Labour Mp's are remainers and said they would campaign on that basis.Labour gave enough clues on what type of deal they would have negotiated.Take immigration for example,not something that bothers me personally but the fact remains it was a big reason in the Labour heartlands,they wanted it to be tightened up not totally relaxed.
The bottom line is they believed the options on the 2nd vote wouldn't be what they wanted,they didn't trust labour to negotiate a deal on why they voted leave in the first place..They believed the two options on that ballot would be 1,remain and 2 a ultra soft Labour deal that was leave in name only...
Thats not what the vast majority of Labour leavers wanted,they saw Boris and his "get it done" approach and they liked it and those who still couldn't bring themselves to vote Tory switched to Farage in enough numbers to split the vote..
I appreciate that's probably not a well constructed argument as far as you and your beliefs are concerned but as has been proved last week.Your in a minority in your own party on that one..
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Hound.
A Labour supporter who wanted us to leave the EU could have voted Labour, knowing that there would have been a Ref2 in which they could have voted for the specific "Leave" that would have been on that ballot.
I've still not heard a single rational argument as to why that would have been an undemocratic outcome.
It wouldn't have been undemocratic if it wasn't replacing an already existing democratic vote that hadn't even yet been enforced.
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Hound.
As I've said a hundred times, the problem with the 2016 vote is that "Leave" wasn't a single, defined thing. It was an umbrella term covering an almost infinite range of things. That's why it is idiotic to take the result as the final word. It was a binary choice on a non-binary question.
But that issue is done now. The decision has been made. So it's time for us all to stop looking back and start looking forward. In particular, it's time for those who have insisted we should leave to accept that they have won, and that they now own the consequences of that victory.
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Hound.
As I've said a hundred times, the problem with the 2016 vote is that "Leave" wasn't a single, defined thing. It was an umbrella term covering an almost infinite range of things. That's why it is idiotic to take the result as the final word. It was a binary choice on a non-binary question.
But that issue is done now. The decision has been made. So it's time for us all to stop looking back and start looking forward. In particular, it's time for those who have insisted we should leave to accept that they have won, and that they now own the consequences of that victory.
Not a chance of that, instead if it goes tits up Labour will be blamed for not being an effective opposition
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And let's hope Remoaners will accept any positives from it as readily as they'll find fault with it.
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Like I said. Nothing more unpleasant that an ungracious winner.
One day you'll grow up BB. You've spent years complaining about perceived slights yet you continue to pour them out yourself. It is embarrassing to witness.
I desperately hope Brexit is a success. I know you want everyone you disagree with to by a hypocrite who wants it to fail so they can say "I told you so", but the real world ain't like that. I want us to live in a happy, content, wealthy, tolerant, positive country, and if that's where the next five years takes us, I'll be delighted to say that I was wrong.
If we end up with 5 years of depressed economic performance, more intolerance towards other opinions, and a continued increase in ethnically and racially motivated abuse and violence, I'm sure you'll be the first to admit that maybe you called it wrong.
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BST, I am neither ungracious nor a winner regarding the GE result. The only thing I'm glad about is Corbyn not winning. I think you'll find, along with anyone else who reads back on our posts since the election that it is you who is ungracious in defeat, not me ungracious in winning!
I don't know what is wrong with you regarding me, it seems I'm somehow a threat to your greatness on this forum. That's perhaps why you insist on coming out with stuff like me growing up and being an embarrassment etc, in the full knowledge that you'll get the same old handful of worshippers endorsing your ridiculous views about me. Maybe that's the VSC way of what grown-up politics is all about.
Well, all I can say is if disrespecting me is what grown-up politics is all about on this forum, bring it on.
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Jesus wept.
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Just because you're losing, just because you're losing.......
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BB
Of course you've won following last week's result.
You wanted Brexit. You've got Brexit.
Congratulations. You won.
Now, be a grown up and own the consequences.
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Hound.
As I've said a hundred times, the problem with the 2016 vote is that "Leave" wasn't a single, defined thing. It was an umbrella term covering an almost infinite range of things. That's why it is idiotic to take the result as the final word. It was a binary choice on a non-binary question.
But that issue is done now. The decision has been made. So it's time for us all to stop looking back and start looking forward. In particular, it's time for those who have insisted we should leave to accept that they have won, and that they now own the consequences of that victory.
I am not sure why you addressed me in the above post seeing as it followed one by BB that your post seemed to allude to.
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Hound.
A Labour supporter who wanted us to leave the EU could have voted Labour, knowing that there would have been a Ref2 in which they could have voted for the specific "Leave" that would have been on that ballot.
I've still not heard a single rational argument as to why that would have been an undemocratic outcome.
Just seen your response to the question I asked DO.
The only thing I can see about what youhave said is that IF Labour had won, there would have been no guarantee the Ref 2 would have delivered another Leave outcome.
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BB
Of course you've won following last week's result.
You wanted Brexit. You've got Brexit.
Congratulations. You won.
Now, be a grown up and own the consequences.
OK, let's pretend this is the Guardian and only tell part of the story.
Yep, I wanted Brexit.
Yep, I won
Yep, I'm responsible if it goes tits up!
There you go, Billy lad. Dip yer bread!
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Hound.
Apologies. That reply was aimed at WC.
BB. Of course, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you actually wanted anything other than to argue.
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Hound.
Apologies. That reply was aimed at WC.
BB. Of course, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you actually wanted anything other than to argue.
You are correct sir, I wasn’t looking for an argument, not even the five minute one.
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Hound.
Apologies. That reply was aimed at WC.
BB. Of course, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that you actually wanted anything other than to argue.
Yes, it must be a terrible sacrifice for someone like you who doesn't like arguing to volunteer yourself to argue with every post I make.
You deserve a big group hug from your cronies.
Where are they by the way?
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Utterly embarrassing behaviour.
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Now that you've proved you can say it, how about saying it to the right people?
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I am glad that now Brexit and the GE are over people are coming together and getting on with one another once again.
Ooops wrong thread...
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Wilts, as long as BST carries on shitting in my shoe I'll continue to piss in his Bovril.
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And round we go again.
BB starts off with that d**khead Remoaner line, then gets arsey when people pick him up.
Almost as if all that he wants is an argument...
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Where did I say d**khead?
Where did I say I get arsey when people "pick on me?"
Pick on me? I love people "Picking on me!" Pick on me if you think you're hard enough!
Bring it on!
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Like I said. Nothing more unpleasant that an ungracious winner.
One day you'll grow up BB. You've spent years complaining about perceived slights yet you continue to pour them out yourself. It is embarrassing to witness.
I desperately hope Brexit is a success. I know you want everyone you disagree with to by a hypocrite who wants it to fail so they can say "I told you so", but the real world ain't like that. I want us to live in a happy, content, wealthy, tolerant, positive country, and if that's where the next five years takes us, I'll be delighted to say that I was wrong.
If we end up with 5 years of depressed economic performance, more intolerance towards other opinions, and a continued increase in ethnically and racially motivated abuse and violence, I'm sure you'll be the first to admit that maybe you called it wrong.
I haven’t read Bentley Bullet’s response to this post yet but, sadly, I can probably guess the main thrust of it.
I just wanted to applaud you for this contribution BST.
Well put.
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Here's one that might be a bit too old for a few on here.
It's my Party and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to. You would cry too if it happened to you.
Appropriate though don't you think?
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Like I said. Nothing more unpleasant that an ungracious winner.
One day you'll grow up BB. You've spent years complaining about perceived slights yet you continue to pour them out yourself. It is embarrassing to witness.
I desperately hope Brexit is a success. I know you want everyone you disagree with to by a hypocrite who wants it to fail so they can say "I told you so", but the real world ain't like that. I want us to live in a happy, content, wealthy, tolerant, positive country, and if that's where the next five years takes us, I'll be delighted to say that I was wrong.
If we end up with 5 years of depressed economic performance, more intolerance towards other opinions, and a continued increase in ethnically and racially motivated abuse and violence, I'm sure you'll be the first to admit that maybe you called it wrong.
I haven’t read Bentley Bullet’s response to this post yet but, sadly, I can probably guess the main thrust of it.
I just wanted to applaud you for this contribution BST.
Well put.
I'm sure BST will be well pleased with that well deserved support Pancho. You're so right in not even reading my response.
Well done to both of you. You should be very proud.
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Wilts, as long as BST carries on shitting in my shoe I'll continue to wear it.
FTFY. :whistle:
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Where did I say d**khead?
Where did I say I get arsey when people "pick on me?"
Pick on me? I love people "Picking on me!" Pick on me if you think you're hard enough!
Bring it on!
catchin' fish without bait :)
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Hound.
As I've said a hundred times, the problem with the 2016 vote is that "Leave" wasn't a single, defined thing. It was an umbrella term covering an almost infinite range of things. That's why it is idiotic to take the result as the final word. It was a binary choice on a non-binary question.
But that issue is done now. The decision has been made. So it's time for us all to stop looking back and start looking forward. In particular, it's time for those who have insisted we should leave to accept that they have won, and that they now own the consequences of that victory.
Billy I can't disagree with much of that.However the labour party didn't want to talk brexit at this election.They did everything they could to avoid the subject.So when you said you hadn't heard a single constructive argument not to have a second referendum.They didn't give much of a constructive argument to have one either.
Rightly or wrongly Labour leavers believed their own party was trying to block what they had voted for.I accept that the vast majority probably didn't know what they were voting in the first place but when it came to voting that's what they still believed...
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Utterly embarrassing behaviour.
The truth often hurts billy