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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Axholme Lion on December 20, 2019, 10:31:52 am

Title: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: Axholme Lion on December 20, 2019, 10:31:52 am: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/20/labour-embrace-progressive-brexit-tories-interventionist
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: Ldr on December 20, 2019, 11:32:17 am: Bloody hell, some posters on here will combust reading that in their bible
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 20, 2019, 11:52:08 am: In the Guardian,HOW DARE THEY :crying: :crying: :crying: poor Billy, Sydney,Wilts,and Foxbat will all be having fits of apoplexy 😂😂😂😉
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: Axholme Lion on December 20, 2019, 11:54:53 am: Joking apart though it makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: scawsby steve on December 20, 2019, 04:23:22 pm: If that had been written in the Mail, Express, or Telegraph, it would have been dismissed on here as utter garbage.
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: wilts rover on December 20, 2019, 05:23:13 pm: Well personally I am not sure that something which contains the line

'The Conservatives are committed to increasing the minimum wage' the day after Johnson said he is not committed to increasing the minimum wage should be treated as entirely correct. But there you go.

A lot of it has already been said by (some) people on the left for a few years now - including the people around Corbyn - but I wont tell anyone that you agree with them...
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2019, 05:34:49 pm: Larry Elliott is from the fringes of the Left that has always disliked the European project, and our membership of the EU.

And that's fine. There's a principled argument to make on that line.

And it's true also, without doubt, that Labour has to accept that Brexit is happening and won't be reversed. Labour needs to frame its policies in light of that. I have no problem with that argument.

What I DO have a problem with, from anyone, is making assertions that don't tally with the facts.

Elliott is repeating this line that opposition to Brexit cost Labour the election because so many Labour supporters switched to the Tories and BP.

That's simply wrong.

Far, far more Labour supporters switched to the Greens and LDs than voted for the Tories and BP. That's not a matter for discussion. It's simply a fact. So a central part of Elliott's premise is simply wrong. But it's going to be repeated as nauseum by Left supporters of Brexit like Elliott.
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: Sprotyrover on December 20, 2019, 05:57:30 pm: It doesn’t matter who they voted for they did not vote labour!
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on December 20, 2019, 06:14:43 pm: Well, as far as missing the point goes Sproty, that's a classic.
Title: Re: Not a bad article for the Guardian
Post by: SydneyRover on December 20, 2019, 08:24:03 pm: Surprised to find that a liberal, left, truly independent publisher can be allowed to have a broad view? some of you need to get out a bit more.