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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DD on December 21, 2019, 05:36:14 pm
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I'll be the first........I'd get rid of Moore now....simply not good enough. This is relegation form. I wrote about my concerns several weeks ago - nothing has changed - sorry, things have got worse.
Needs to get rid of Bingham, Thomas (tried but not good enough), Gomez, Daniels, Sheaf (bench at best), May, Kiwomya....
I have no confidence in Moore at all. His comments in the press & interviews are weak & repetitive.
It won't happen because the board seem to be lacking some direction & purpose at the moment.
We are in troubled waters!
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Get Gareth Ainsworth in
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His substitutions were poor.
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Patience is a virtue.
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They're not going to sack him.
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His substitutions were poor.
Only one was in Bingham may should have been the man to come on.
Nothing wrong with either wright or Ennis coming on
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You can’t sack him yet while I think he has made some poor decisions he is a relatively new to management and needs a full transfer window to get the players we need in, we have several players who should be nowhere near the first team squad replace them and hopefully things will look up
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He has been manager for less than six months and in League for four months - or which two months were excellent and two months have been shit. If we are talking about sacking someone for a shit two months then we should just pack up and go home.
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The fact he thinks Thomas and Bingham are good is most concerning. They are being nice utter dog shit. If that's the sort of player he wants to bring in then get gone now.
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His substitutions were poor.
if copps wasn injured it was madness to bring him off, he was just starting to find his rhythm...
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I’m not saying we should sack him, but the concerns aren’t just regarding a poor two months
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This thread is embarrassing. This knee jerk reaction from fans is ridiculous.
Any manager requires two full transfer windows to bring in his own players. Moore hasn't even had one full window, he's had a couple of week where he was still analysing his team. The window then shut and yeah we ended up with some bargain bucket players like Bingham and Thomas but hopefully we'll have better come Jan 31st. Either way he deserves the whole season.
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The fact he thinks Thomas and Bingham are good is most concerning. They are being nice utter dog shit. If that's the sort of player he wants to bring in then get gone now.
I don’t think he had much in the way of alternatives so I don’t blame him for bringing them in, but continually picking Bingham ahead of May or even Watters is madness for me. Bingham must have nudes of Moore or something.
This thread is a bit daft though - far too early to judge.
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What a ridiculous post to suggest getting rid of the manager considering the circumstances in which he took over - Darren needs minimum 2 transfer windows to establish his own team - look at the players McCann had and that we don’t have anymore - Marquis - Rowe - Butler - Kane - Wilks - Downing & also a fit Matty Blair.
I know we’re not winning at the moment but a big of perspective is surely required not knee jerk sackings
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Ps and Danny Andrew
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
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This thread is embarrassing. This knee jerk reaction from fans is ridiculous.
Any manager requires two full transfer windows to bring in his own players. Moore hasn't even had one full window, he's had a couple of week where he was still analysing his team. The window then shut and yeah we ended up with some bargain bucket players like Bingham and Thomas but hopefully we'll have better come Jan 31st. Either way he deserves the whole season.
I don't want him to go but 1win in 10 is definitely not a knee jerk most clubs would have got rid of a manager for less than that
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
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I’m not saying we should sack him, but the concerns aren’t just regarding a poor two months
Are the concerns coming from the insider where only a selected few may know what facts people are talking about.
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
Why ?
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I'm not going to knee jerk as he deserves time. Are there concerning signs? Absolutely, but then I believe he needs a long time to get it right, if we are at this point in twelve months I'll be worried. His success will depend on who he brings in as we have too many not up to it. The appointment of a recruitment man tells it all.
Imo the back 5 has huge strength and depth. We all know midfield and attack needs work.
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This thread is embarrassing. This knee jerk reaction from fans is ridiculous.
Any manager requires two full transfer windows to bring in his own players. Moore hasn't even had one full window, he's had a couple of week where he was still analysing his team. The window then shut and yeah we ended up with some bargain bucket players like Bingham and Thomas but hopefully we'll have better come Jan 31st. Either way he deserves the whole season.
I don't want him to go but 1win in 10 is definitely not a knee jerk most clubs would have got rid of a manager for less than that
That's just shit form, every club goes through bad spells and judging from today their confidence is gone. Give it a few games, one scrappy win and we'll hit a good run of form again.
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Individually the back five are strong and Dieng is a great keeper - but the defence as a whole is definitely less than the sum of its parts. We have only kept three clean sheets all season in the league and we even managed to concede against Southend United when we put seven past them. Individually our defensive players are a talented bunch but as a defensive unit they are not great.
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Just watch the defending for their goal today .. they were all stood like statues . Nobody is willing to put their body on the line anymore
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In better news after the brief and disastrous flirtation with five at the back, Moore has seemingly dropped this - which is of course the right call. Does not work at this level!
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No he hasn't.
Totally unfair to make that judgement at this stage.
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The fact he thinks Thomas and Bingham are good is most concerning. They are being nice utter dog shit. If that's the sort of player he wants to bring in then get gone now.
You’ve changed your tune
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It’s no knee jerk reaction from me. The warning signs were there in July. Nice guy, great community coach. Football manager nah.
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January is key now. Just cannot be carrying players like we have been doing in recent games. Cant remember the last time we had such a lightweight team too. Too many players just jogging about and not putting any kind of challenge in.
The squad needs some bite and quality.
Special mention for the ref today as well. Totally garbage, the one where he brought play back in injury time whilst we were on the attack was mind boggling.
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
Why ?
Because the Marquis money went to the taxman and we’re potless
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This thread is embarrassing. This knee jerk reaction from fans is ridiculous.
Any manager requires two full transfer windows to bring in his own players. Moore hasn't even had one full window, he's had a couple of week where he was still analysing his team. The window then shut and yeah we ended up with some bargain bucket players like Bingham and Thomas but hopefully we'll have better come Jan 31st. Either way he deserves the whole season.
I don't want him to go but 1win in 10 is definitely not a knee jerk most clubs would have got rid of a manager for less than that
That's just shit form, every club goes through bad spells and judging from today their confidence is gone. Give it a few games, one scrappy win and we'll hit a good run of form again.
Wake up man
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We don’t loses or do poor performances very well on the forum but you have to give Stanley a bit of credit as they played to their strengths and we just couldn’t shake them off . For apart from Joe Wright for James the other substitutions needn’t have been made and added nothing to the game !
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
Why ?
because Gavin has already said we will only tweek the team a bit
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This thread is embarrassing. This knee jerk reaction from fans is ridiculous.
Any manager requires two full transfer windows to bring in his own players. Moore hasn't even had one full window, he's had a couple of week where he was still analysing his team. The window then shut and yeah we ended up with some bargain bucket players like Bingham and Thomas but hopefully we'll have better come Jan 31st. Either way he deserves the whole season.
I don't want him to go but 1win in 10 is definitely not a knee jerk most clubs would have got rid of a manager for less than that
That's just shit form, every club goes through bad spells and judging from today their confidence is gone. Give it a few games, one scrappy win and we'll hit a good run of form again.
yes they do but most get rid for less
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He won't be sacked. Fergie wasn't sacked and he got us relegated.
What is more worrying is that the sings are there that the board aren't backing him. Where has the money gone
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He won't be sacked. Fergie wasn't sacked and he got us relegated.
What is more worrying is that the sings are there that the board aren't backing him. Where has the money gone
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Backing him? He's had about 4 weeks of the window. What do you expect them to do?
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They gave him recommendations and he said not needed ???
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If he extends Bingham and Thomas contracts then the direction we're going is the wrong one. At the minute he has the excuse he could only get in freebies.
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
Why ?
because Gavin has already said we will only tweek the team a bit
But he’s not right we need a striker and two more players otherwise what he said of going for top six spot was wrong, we don’t have the players to do that.
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They gave him recommendations and he said not needed ???
Facts of which players were recommended please?
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Usual suspects out in force tonight.
No shock there and we didn’t even get beat.
Since Southend we drew with Burton, MK Dons and Accrington at home, all games we had the opportunity to win while not playing any near our best.
We lost away to Wycombe who are top of the league to a 89th min penalty and 2-1 away at Wimbledon where we out played them in the 1st half and should have been out of site. Both goals we conceded could have been avoided.
So 3 draws and 2 defeats and WE WE SHOULD SACK THE MANAGER, according to some of our supporters.
Don’t remember any one calling for DM’s head before the Southend game, even though we lost to Blackpool & Portsmouth at home and Oxford away.
The only game we were 2nd best was at Oxford.
So to sum up if we had a proven goal scorer and probably one more experienced midfielder we would in all likely hood be sitting very pretty at least in the top 6/7 now with 3 games in hand.
Also look at all the injuries and interruptions to our season
Very fine margins isn’t it.
Why is it people can’t see the big picture i really don’t understand
The knee jerk reactions on here are once again embarrassing.
So who should be our Manager please, who would have been able to wave a magic wand and sign the players we needed in the 4/5 weeks that DM had before the season started.
Come on names of better managers not in a job.
Or who should we have appointed instead of DM.
Please get a grip on reality.
It really is embarrassing reading some of the posts on this site.
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He had a list of players that were ready to sign. Gavin told us this and stated Moore wanted to go another way
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Usual suspects out in force tonight.
No shock there and we didn’t even get beat.
Since Southend we drew with Burton, MK Dons and Accrington at home, all games we had the opportunity to win while not playing any near our best.
We lost away to Wycombe who are top of the league to a 89th min penalty and 2-1 away at Wimbledon where we out played them in the 1st half and should have been out of site. Both goals we conceded could have been avoided.
So 3 draws and 2 defeats and WE WE SHOULD SACK THE MANAGER, according to some of our supporters.
Dot remember any one calling for DM’s head before the Southend game, even though we lost to Blackpool & Portsmouth at home and Oxford away.
The only game we were 2nd best was at Oxford.
So to sum up if we had a proven goal scorer and probably one more experienced midfielder we would in all likely hood be sitting very pretty at least in the top 6/7 now with 3 games in hand.
Also look at all the injuries and interruptions to our season
Very fine margins isn’t it.
Why is it people can’t see the big picture i really don’t understand
The knee jerk reactions on here are once again embarrassing.
So who should be our Manager please, who would have been able to wave a magic wand and sign the players we needed in the 4/5 weeks that DM had before the season started.
Come on names of better managers not in a job.
Or who should we have appointed instead of DM.
Please get a grip on reality.
It really is embarrassing reading some of the posts on this site.
A few untruths in here
He had 7/8 weeks not 4/5
We’ve been in relegation form since the beginning of September.
You said yourself we needed 9 points from these last 3 games yet we’ve got 2 yet you’re still finding new excuses
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Moore is a brilliant appointment for our club. We are very lucky to have him as our manager in my opinion. We need a few players (forwards) that's for certain though.
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Usual suspects out in force tonight.
No shock there and we didn’t even get beat.
Since Southend we drew with Burton, MK Dons and Accrington at home, all games we had the opportunity to win while not playing any near our best.
We lost away to Wycombe who are top of the league to a 89th min penalty and 2-1 away at Wimbledon where we out played them in the 1st half and should have been out of site. Both goals we conceded could have been avoided.
So 3 draws and 2 defeats and WE WE SHOULD SACK THE MANAGER, according to some of our supporters.
Dot remember any one calling for DM’s head before the Southend game, even though we lost to Blackpool & Portsmouth at home and Oxford away.
The only game we were 2nd best was at Oxford.
So to sum up if we had a proven goal scorer and probably one more experienced midfielder we would in all likely hood be sitting very pretty at least in the top 6/7 now with 3 games in hand.
Also look at all the injuries and interruptions to our season
Very fine margins isn’t it.
Why is it people can’t see the big picture i really don’t understand
The knee jerk reactions on here are once again embarrassing.
So who should be our Manager please, who would have been able to wave a magic wand and sign the players we needed in the 4/5 weeks that DM had before the season started.
Come on names of better managers not in a job.
Or who should we have appointed instead of DM.
Please get a grip on reality.
It really is embarrassing reading some of the posts on this site.
half the problem was the board saying they were aiming for a top 2 spot, we are miles off being top 2, people say we have as good if not better players now than last year, to be honest that is laughable while we have games in hand if we lose them we are are not that far from a relegation battle, you say we need a proven goal scorer but there not cheap and not easy to get in the January window and we need more than that homes while improved is not good enough as are Bingham Thomas and the jury is out on sheaf for me, then you have the bench which most of the time Is poor at best, saying this a few decent players and yes we will have a decent second half of the season
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He had a list of players that were ready to sign. Gavin told us this and stated Moore wanted to go another way
Who were the players, I believe three went to Hull with GM the other one as not done anything on loan in Scotland, I don’t have the facts so can someone in the know show me I’m wrong.
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Moore is a brilliant appointment for our club. We are very lucky to have him as our manager in my opinion. We need a few players (forwards) that's for certain though.
You don’t attend do you ?. What on his CV tells you he’s a good manager
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Moore is a brilliant appointment for our club. We are very lucky to have him as our manager in my opinion. We need a few players (forwards) that's for certain though.
while I’m not slaying Moore or saying he is a bad manager know one really knows how good a manager as he is very new to management, he might well end up being but he certainly needs to learn how to play against teams that press us as we seem clueless how to play against them
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Usual suspects out in force tonight.
No shock there and we didn’t even get beat.
Since Southend we drew with Burton, MK Dons and Accrington at home, all games we had the opportunity to win while not playing any near our best.
We lost away to Wycombe who are top of the league to a 89th min penalty and 2-1 away at Wimbledon where we out played them in the 1st half and should have been out of site. Both goals we conceded could have been avoided.
So 3 draws and 2 defeats and WE WE SHOULD SACK THE MANAGER, according to some of our supporters.
Dot remember any one calling for DM’s head before the Southend game, even though we lost to Blackpool & Portsmouth at home and Oxford away.
The only game we were 2nd best was at Oxford.
So to sum up if we had a proven goal scorer and probably one more experienced midfielder we would in all likely hood be sitting very pretty at least in the top 6/7 now with 3 games in hand.
Also look at all the injuries and interruptions to our season
Very fine margins isn’t it.
Why is it people can’t see the big picture i really don’t understand
The knee jerk reactions on here are once again embarrassing.
So who should be our Manager please, who would have been able to wave a magic wand and sign the players we needed in the 4/5 weeks that DM had before the season started.
Come on names of better managers not in a job.
Or who should we have appointed instead of DM.
Please get a grip on reality.
It really is embarrassing reading some of the posts on this site.
A few untruths in here
He had 7/8 weeks not 4/5
We’ve been in relegation form since the beginning of September.
You said yourself we needed 9 points from these last 3 games yet we’ve got 2 yet you’re still finding new excuses
Now you know how everyone else felt getting the Darren Ferguson fan club for three seasons.
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Get a grip will ya
So I was in the wrong for defending a manager who I liked and now I’m in the wrong for questioning a managers ability
Yet you were in the right for questioning a managers ability and are in the right for defending a manager you like.
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Dear oh dear.
Get rid?
We were spoilt by initial results at the start of the season, but do you guys not remember the squad that Darren Moore inherited?
McCann cleaned out the team, then had his head turned and left us really sparse. The top teams in any league, in their successful seasons, make very few changes to their squad, we have had to go through a complete overhaul, it's was always going to take time. We have an excellent manager, we need to get behind him.
Thankfully we appear to have a board who support their manager, and won't just fire them half way through the first season after a huge rebuild.
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Moore is a brilliant appointment for our club. We are very lucky to have him as our manager in my opinion. We need a few players (forwards) that's for certain though.
You don’t attend do you ?. What on his CV tells you he’s a good manager
I watch via IPlayer each week and was there today. Maybe Premier League Manager on his CV is a start?
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I'm not a Rover but I have to say I find it extremely uncomfortable reading criticism of Big Daz who did an immense job in our back four at the back end of his career , the man was simply an absolute rock .
Give him time , he didn't inherit a great situation , he deserves the time to do the job .
Yes it's frustrating and I get that but replacing the manager doesn't guarantee you anything going forward .
See where you are in 12 months time and he's had two further windows .
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
but I doubt we will get the quality that you are looking for
Why ?
Because the Marquis money went to the taxman and we’re potless
If you don't pay your tax bill you end up like Bury,is that what you want?
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Why is it we get a voice of reason from a Barnsley fan and our own supporters are, well words fail me.
As i am not going to get drawn into any of dickos’s posts as promised.
This is a general comment not in direct reply to him.
Yes i said we could do with 9 points from the last 3 games and a min of 7 to get us back on track or we would be playing catch up.
I didn’t at any point say the Manager should be sacked or even that our season would be over if we didn’t.
So yes it’s a big disappointment that we only picked up 2 points.
So yes we are playing catch up and we will have to start winning games from now on if we are going to give ourselves the opportunity of gate crashing the top 6.
Let’s see what happens in the Jan window and results up to the end of January.
We have 26 games to play thats 78 points to play for.
If we get 48 out of 78 we will almost certainly be in the play offs.
It’s a tall order but with 2/3 quality additions it is achievable.
Yes I can hear some of you saying it’s not. BUT IT IS IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS.
What we must be as supporters is patient with DM. He has to be given the opportunity of a proper close season to assemble the squad he needs.
Anything above a top 10 finish this season is now a bonus.
Yes even i can see that after our poor run of recent results against teams we would have expected to beat with a fully fit 1st 11 and that’s the point isn’t it. We haven’t had that luxury have we. Niall Ennis has been the biggest loss. His energy when he came on today showed that. Thomas and Bingham simply don’t have the pace and mobility or skill to play in our system effectively.
So to all the doom and gloom merchants i am just saying take a step back, look at the big picture thats in front of you. Just open your eyes take a good look, engage brain before spouting off on this forum and start to use a bit of good old fashion common sense.
Tyke can see we have potentially a very good manager. The board thought so and 95% of this forum thought so 5 months ago and yes even 2 months ago.
So maybe we do have a very good manager. GIVE HIM A DECENT CHANCE TO SHOW THAT HE IS.
5 months with a light weight squad is NOT.
LETS SEE WHERE WE ARE IN 12 MONTHS. :that: :rtid:
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I’m afraid the big picture is that since September the 8th we’ve managed two points less than the side bottom of the table.
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Embarrassing at best this thread if the club back him and bring in the quality players we require then we will see what happens.
Playing Bingham is not the answer but May or Watters are not goal scorers either.
I’d rather give one of our own (who is not a goal scorer according to you) a chance rather than some lower league rubbish.
As an ex-striker myself I watch our current options with dismay.
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Give me strength. Is there a broken record on this forum or am i having a really bad dream yet again.
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I’m afraid the big picture is that since September the 8th we’ve managed two points less than the side bottom of the table.
It all depends on how big you want your picture to be, I guess.
My picture has us surviving Richardson, five seasons in non-league football, lifetime memory lasting games at the Britannia Stadium, Millennium Stadium, Wembley and Griffin Park. Championship football and a leadership at the top of the club that we can trust to run the club well.
If you constantly need success, you're going to be disappointed. Even Man Utd fans are currently experiencing there version of a poor time, but I'm sure that their next title will taste all the sweeter for it.
Enjoy the ride, or get off, don't just travel through it complaining, life's too short.
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
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It has to be recognised that we are in a poor run.
Not including the U23 cup competition, we have only one win in the last eight league and FA Cup matches.
Today we looked decidedly average, a mid table team lacking in ideas.
Moore was wrong to take Copps off.
Ok, he wasn’t having his best ever game but was just beginning to get a grip on the game.
We need a quality front man and a midfielder in the mould of Wellens, someone with a bit of bite to compliment Sheaf and Whiteman.
Unless we get those players in early January our season will be as good as over and the crowds will dwindle.
With things as they are we are unlikely to get better than three points from the three games in hand.
I will still be there every week supporting the team but I do think that we look like a mid table team, no better, right now.
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I don’t need success,
There weren’t many on here backing Ferguson when we got relegated but I was one of them.
We had plenty of people going mad that we didn’t win the title a couple of years ago even after we’d achieved our most comfortable promotion possibly in our history.
It’s these same people who are now having a go at people concerned this season.
Since the end of the 2017-18 season we’ve cut costs, you only have to glimpse at the two squads to realise this, this is fine but we’re told we’re still going for a top 6 finish. We’re still wanting to spend money and we have a big budget, but what we get told and what actually happens doesn’t seem to be meeting up at the moment.
January may change this
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
Well you seem to be happy watching a side that has scored 2 goals in 6 games.
Pretty sure that’s never happened under other recent managers
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Got to give him Jan to get a few forwards in at the very least (i know that won't be easy). If we can get a couple in i think the confidence in the team will hopefully turn around. Think we do need to be careful we aren't dragged into a relegation battle though and if that means DM goes then so be it.
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For Rovers to be successful with all due respect someone has to punch above the budget to make that happen .
Big Daz to me seems like he could do that given the time .
It's frustrating we don't always get what we'd like to aspire to but I always remind myself of a young manager at my club in the late 90 s who punched excessively above the weight in his first season , his second season wasn't too great to say the least but my word is third was the stuff dreams are made of .
My life experience tells me give Big Daz a go , you could be on to something here .
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We haven’t got a goal scorer that’s why we have scored 2 in 6
Ennis has been injured :crying:
We all know what the problem is.
DF & GM had Marquis. DM hasn’t been able to replace him as yet. :facepalm:
PS.
It’s actually 3 in the last 6 inc. cup games
12 in the last 6 league games.
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I'll be the first........I'd get rid of Moore now....simply not good enough. This is relegation form. I wrote about my concerns several weeks ago - nothing has changed - sorry, things have got worse.
Needs to get rid of Bingham, Thomas (tried but not good enough), Gomez, Daniels, Sheaf (bench at best), May, Kiwomya....
I have no confidence in Moore at all. His comments in the press & interviews are weak & repetitive.
It won't happen because the board seem to be lacking some direction & purpose at the moment.
We are in troubled waters!
You are embarrassing.
Get behind your club and our manager.
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
Well you seem to be happy watching a side that has scored 2 goals in 6 games.
Pretty sure that’s never happened under other recent managers
Recent managers had better players in their squad. DF brought in good players and some not so good, GM brought in three very good loans and got DF players playing better. GM then instead of adding to the squad waLked away to what he believed was a better job, he had brought in two good fullbacks. He couldn’t get his midfield replacement for TR he went to Scotland, he couldn’t get a new goal keeper he couldn’t get a new centre-half. The ones on his list went with him to Hull. His final act was to sign an unknown midfield player, here’s one we could afford.
So DM had to look at our squad, while doing that JM wanted to go and the striker on GM list went to Hull. The Rangers midfield player was put on hold, he finally went to another Scottish club he’s not been pulling up many trees. DM signed Sheaf off GMs list. He brought in centre half who got injured early on. We signed a loan centrehalf to cover that injury. He brought in three good young Premier league players and set out to bring in a JM replacement. All three young players have been injured at sometime so far this season. Which effected DM plans. We did not get the striker we wanted as the players parent club pulled the plug when it looked as the deal was going through. We have also lost one of DFs versatile players for most of the season. Therefore after the season started and injury’s we’re taking it’s toll DM signed two players on short term contracts they have not proved successful, although one has the best goals per game.
So if you look at the goal scoring records of our best players we have now they are not good, they might be good football players but goal scoring as not been their forte.
We can criticise the manager, we can criticise the players but the squad we have now needs improving. The CEO as said we will only tinker with the squad there won’t be big changes. Well the club want to be right with the manager they brought in then they need to back him in January if they can’t then they should be honest with the supporters.
Nobody’s happy watching this run but which players will score the goals we require I can’t see any.
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
Well you seem to be happy watching a side that has scored 2 goals in 6 games.
Pretty sure that’s never happened under other recent managers
Recent managers had better players in their squad. DF brought in good players and some not so good, GM brought in three very good loans and got DF players playing better. GM then instead of adding to the squad waLked away to what he believed was a better job, he had brought in two good fullbacks. He couldn’t get his midfield replacement for TR he went to Scotland, he couldn’t get a new goal keeper he couldn’t get a new centre-half. The ones on his list went with him to Hull. His final act was to sign an unknown midfield player, here’s one we could afford.
So DM had to look at our squad, while doing that JM wanted to go and the striker on GM list went to Hull. The Rangers midfield player was put on hold, he finally went to another Scottish club he’s not been pulling up many trees. DM signed Sheaf off GMs list. He brought in centre half who got injured early on. We signed a loan centrehalf to cover that injury. He brought in three good young Premier league players and set out to bring in a JM replacement. All three young players have been injured at sometime so far this season. Which effected DM plans. We did not get the striker we wanted as the players parent club pulled the plug when it looked as the deal was going through. We have also lost one of DFs versatile players for most of the season. Therefore after the season started and injury’s we’re taking it’s toll DM signed two players on short term contracts they have not proved successful, although one has the best goals per game.
So if you look at the goal scoring records of our best players we have now they are not good, they might be good football players but goal scoring as not been their forte.
We can criticise the manager, we can criticise the players but the squad we have now needs improving. The CEO as said we will only tinker with the squad there won’t be big changes. Well the club want to be right with the manager they brought in then they need to back him in January if they can’t then they should be honest with the supporters.
Nobody’s happy watching this run but which players will score the goals we require I can’t see any.
Middleton would’ve signed if mccann had stayed. As would the others who were lined up, Mccann wouldn’t have let all those players leave if he didn’t think he was getting better in
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I don’t need success,
There weren’t many on here backing Ferguson when we got relegated but I was one of them.
We had plenty of people going mad that we didn’t win the title a couple of years ago even after we’d achieved our most comfortable promotion possibly in our history.
It’s these same people who are now having a go at people concerned this season.
Since the end of the 2017-18 season we’ve cut costs, you only have to glimpse at the two squads to realise this, this is fine but we’re told we’re still going for a top 6 finish. We’re still wanting to spend money and we have a big budget, but what we get told and what actually happens doesn’t seem to be meeting up at the moment.
January may change this
With our current ownership and resources available, any manager who takes us down in to League Two needs sacking. Without adding any value, we have the resources to comfortably stay up every season in League One. Any manager who takes us down with that backing needs to go. Ferguson was the last but it should not just apply to him.
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Dickos Middleton hardly played at Hibs what makes you think he would have been good here. GM couldn’t get the players so when Hull came calling he left taking some of his list with him.
We needed better we still do can we get them in January not sure. If our club are backing the manager then if they cant see we need better players then they are blind. January will show if this well run club will get players we need.
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I don’t need success,
There weren’t many on here backing Ferguson when we got relegated but I was one of them.
We had plenty of people going mad that we didn’t win the title a couple of years ago even after we’d achieved our most comfortable promotion possibly in our history.
It’s these same people who are now having a go at people concerned this season.
Since the end of the 2017-18 season we’ve cut costs, you only have to glimpse at the two squads to realise this, this is fine but we’re told we’re still going for a top 6 finish. We’re still wanting to spend money and we have a big budget, but what we get told and what actually happens doesn’t seem to be meeting up at the moment.
January may change this
With our current ownership and resources available, any manager who takes us down in to League Two needs sacking. Without adding any value, we have the resources to comfortably stay up every season in League One. Any manager who takes us down with that backing needs to go. Ferguson was the last but it should not just apply to him.
Ferguson inherited a terrible squad and initially got a turn out of them but then it went down hill.
But that summer he transformed the squad, the quality of the squad he inherited to the one he left us with was incomparable.
It’s just a shame now that much of that quality has now gone and we’re back to square one
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f**k me sideways. There are some top shelf knuckleheads masquerading as fans on this forum.
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We haven’t got a goal scorer that’s why we have scored 2 in 6
Ennis has been injured :crying:
We all know what the problem is.
DF & GM had Marquis. DM hasn’t been able to replace him as yet. :facepalm:
PS.
It’s actually 3 in the last 6 inc. cup games
12 in the last 6 league games.
someone has to take the blame for poor recruitment who would you hold responsible
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Dickos Middleton hardly played at Hibs what makes you think he would have been good here. GM couldn’t get the players so when Hull came calling he left taking some of his list with him.
We needed better we still do can we get them in January not sure. If our club are backing the manager then if they cant see we need better players then they are blind. January will show if this well run club will get players we need.
Wilks hadn’t done much before we signed him but mcCann got the best out of him who’s to say he wouldn't have done the same with him.
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January's going to be season defining. We need Another Centre Back another Central Midfielder to replace sheaf a winger and maybe 2 strikers definitely 1 though. Id try getting Dieng on a permanent and let sheaf go back.
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I really think that one of the biggest issues this year, that has been touched on in this thread, is the expectation vs reality.
When McCann and several senior players left, SM came on the forum and said that it didn’t really matter as the board would bring in a top new manager and there was still an exciting list of signings lined up, ready to sign as soon as the new man was in place. I’m not suggesting that was the wrong thing to do as certain fans were in meltdown, but what we ended up signing was definitely not an improvement on last year, and for whatever reason we were unable to sign many (any?) of these players. Even at the end of the window the talk from the club was of the top six, even though we had no idea whether Ennis or Sterling could replace even half of the output and the effort that Marquis brought to the team, and it was clear that unless all the loanees excelled the squad was in a worse position than a few months before. Again, I’m not saying the club are wrong to be ambitious but it’s putting expectation at a level that the reality isn’t matching.
January will be an interesting month, both for who we sign and the noises coming out of the club. We don’t generally sign many players, certainly permanents, in January and the club might feel its best not to put too much in when the season already feels like it’s turning into a bit of a damp squib.
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We need or 5 or 6 in January its make or break. Barnsley a couple years ago were languishing near the bottom then signed loads in jan and ended up going up through playoffs with 1 of the best young squads assembled. If the board don't back moore i can't see myself going much longer its becoming so boring and apparent that the board dont back the club to their full capabilities and before people come and say well they lose 2 mil a year. For starters nearly every football club loses money plus with the outgoings last year they havent lost that much.
2 million for Marquis
1 million from cup
Money from finishing in playoffs
17 players leaving
Season ticket sales
Merchandise and matchday tkts for 23 games
They need to back or go
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
Well you seem to be happy watching a side that has scored 2 goals in 6 games.
Pretty sure that’s never happened under other recent managers
Recent managers had better players in their squad. DF brought in good players and some not so good, GM brought in three very good loans and got DF players playing better. GM then instead of adding to the squad waLked away to what he believed was a better job, he had brought in two good fullbacks. He couldn’t get his midfield replacement for TR he went to Scotland, he couldn’t get a new goal keeper he couldn’t get a new centre-half. The ones on his list went with him to Hull. His final act was to sign an unknown midfield player, here’s one we could afford.
So DM had to look at our squad, while doing that JM wanted to go and the striker on GM list went to Hull. The Rangers midfield player was put on hold, he finally went to another Scottish club he’s not been pulling up many trees. DM signed Sheaf off GMs list. He brought in centre half who got injured early on. We signed a loan centrehalf to cover that injury. He brought in three good young Premier league players and set out to bring in a JM replacement. All three young players have been injured at sometime so far this season. Which effected DM plans. We did not get the striker we wanted as the players parent club pulled the plug when it looked as the deal was going through. We have also lost one of DFs versatile players for most of the season. Therefore after the season started and injury’s we’re taking it’s toll DM signed two players on short term contracts they have not proved successful, although one has the best goals per game.
So if you look at the goal scoring records of our best players we have now they are not good, they might be good football players but goal scoring as not been their forte.
We can criticise the manager, we can criticise the players but the squad we have now needs improving. The CEO as said we will only tinker with the squad there won’t be big changes. Well the club want to be right with the manager they brought in then they need to back him in January if they can’t then they should be honest with the supporters.
Nobody’s happy watching this run but which players will score the goals we require I can’t see any.
That's a pretty good assessment of where we're at.
I'm sorry, but I don't see any manager, never mind one that might be available, playing that hand any better.
There is a case for saying that DM has been unlucky. Injuries to the loan recruits, particularly the forwards, has been massively disruptive and, to my mind, has resulted in the current malaise afflicting the rest of the team.
However, as manager, it's up to him to turn it around. January is going to be a big month for DM because it's the only opportunity he'll get to shake the team out of its torpor. Wish him well.
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We need or 5 or 6 in January its make or break. Barnsley a couple years ago were languishing near the bottom then signed loads in jan and ended up going up through playoffs with 1 of the best young squads assembled. If the board don't back moore i can't see myself going much longer its becoming so boring and apparent that the board dont back the club to their full capabilities and before people come and say well they lose 2 mil a year. For starters nearly every football club loses money plus with the outgoings last year they havent lost that much.
2 million for Marquis
1 million from cup
Money from finishing in playoffs
17 players leaving
Season ticket sales
Merchandise and matchday tkts for 23 games
They need to back or go
They signed one player in January, Aidan White, but their good run of form began in December anyway, not long after they signed Adam Hammill.
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Couldn’t believe this thread yesterday so I’ve taken a deep breath and still think it’s a crock of sh1t.
FFS get behind him
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We have won 6, drawn 7, Lost 5 with 3 games in hand on the majority.
DESPERATE TIMES, Send for the emergency services. In fact why don’t we bring back the man who went 16 league games without a win and got us relegated.
Yes that would be good. LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT EXCITING WINNING FOOTBALL.
Well you seem to be happy watching a side that has scored 2 goals in 6 games.
Pretty sure that’s never happened under other recent managers
Recent managers had better players in their squad. DF brought in good players and some not so good, GM brought in three very good loans and got DF players playing better. GM then instead of adding to the squad waLked away to what he believed was a better job, he had brought in two good fullbacks. He couldn’t get his midfield replacement for TR he went to Scotland, he couldn’t get a new goal keeper he couldn’t get a new centre-half. The ones on his list went with him to Hull. His final act was to sign an unknown midfield player, here’s one we could afford.
So DM had to look at our squad, while doing that JM wanted to go and the striker on GM list went to Hull. The Rangers midfield player was put on hold, he finally went to another Scottish club he’s not been pulling up many trees. DM signed Sheaf off GMs list. He brought in centre half who got injured early on. We signed a loan centrehalf to cover that injury. He brought in three good young Premier league players and set out to bring in a JM replacement. All three young players have been injured at sometime so far this season. Which effected DM plans. We did not get the striker we wanted as the players parent club pulled the plug when it looked as the deal was going through. We have also lost one of DFs versatile players for most of the season. Therefore after the season started and injury’s we’re taking it’s toll DM signed two players on short term contracts they have not proved successful, although one has the best goals per game.
So if you look at the goal scoring records of our best players we have now they are not good, they might be good football players but goal scoring as not been their forte.
We can criticise the manager, we can criticise the players but the squad we have now needs improving. The CEO as said we will only tinker with the squad there won’t be big changes. Well the club want to be right with the manager they brought in then they need to back him in January if they can’t then they should be honest with the supporters.
Nobody’s happy watching this run but which players will score the goals we require I can’t see any.
Agree with pretty much all of that. In the Summer a few people were saying we were underestimating just how much GM had shafted us and the mess he’d not only created, but had also left us in. Coupled with DM having some bad luck along the way, we were always likely to struggle at some point. Changing the manager isn’t the answer because I genuinely don’t think any other manager out there could do better.
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He has to be given January, to even think of getting rid now is madness. He inherited a mess, with little time to sort it. The board need to dig deep and prove the intention of a top 6 finish.
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January window is huge. Too early to call for Moore's head, but things are very poor at the moment. This is how I see it- Bingham and Daniels need to go. I'd say the same with Thomas if we could get a striker in although really we need at least 2. We also need a Central midfielder with a bit of venom. Sheaf for me can also go unless he is used for Centre back cover. He is not the Midfielder we need. Dieng is probably our best keeper at the moment but I feel he still falls short of what we've had in the recent past (He's OK as a shot stopper and calm, but I think he doesn't read the game or command his area) and I'd be inclined to give Jones a try as we've not seen what he can do. I'd have been for signing Dieng until recently but now I'm on the fence. Would be happy with extending his loan for rest of season if his current runs until Jan) An extra Central defender would not go a miss as Daniels needs replacing and we need someone if injuries continue to be a problem. 4 decent players minimum, Maybe 5.
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At the risk of being asked what planet I,m on by Selby because i dont agree with him, can i just say i can,t wait to find out that these plans that Darren Moore has in place are, that he is going to extend Thomas and Bingham,s contracts as they are our main strikers,now that would be a laugh.As he says in his latest interview we didn,t win but we didn,t loose either, what an attitude to have when you think a draw is a positive.Dickov used too only dwell on the positives but the negatives caught up with him eventually.
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January window is huge. Too early to call for Moore's head, but things are very poor at the moment. This is how I see it- Bingham and Daniels need to go. I'd say the same with Thomas if we could get a striker in although really we need at least 2. We also need a Central midfielder with a bit of venom. Sheaf for me can also go unless he is used for Centre back cover. He is not the Midfielder we need. Dieng is probably our best keeper at the moment but I feel he still falls short of what we've had in the recent past (He's OK as a shot stopper and calm, but I think he doesn't read the game or command his area) and I'd be inclined to give Jones a try as we've not seen what he can do. I'd have been for signing Dieng until recently but now I'm on the fence. Would be happy with extending his loan for rest of season if his current runs until Jan) An extra Central defender would not go a miss as Daniels needs replacing and we need someone if injuries continue to be a problem. 4 decent players minimum, Maybe 5.
Don't know which of our recent past keepers you're remembering, Dave but neither of them commanded their area anything like Dieng does.
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Fine margins indeed.. without injuries to Ennis, John, Sterling, and having the chance to beat Bolton at the right time, we could have been in a much better place..
If you’re reading the DFP today we are working hard towards the January window.
Also wasn’t it recently said that the player DM wanted wasn’t allowed to come by his parent club..
And at the moment we are in poor form..
It’s ok being concerned about current form and potential signings but folks need some sense of perspective..
Lighten up for f**ks sake, it’s Christmas.!
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I think it was perfectly reasonable of DM to not jump into making signings before he'd had chance to assess what he had and yes, he's certainly been unlucky with injuries to key players in a paper-thin squad so I await with interest to see what he does in the transfer window, his options are limited IMO. I don't see the club spending on permanent signings (rightly) even if a striker can be found, which leaves loans. For me, Sheaf, whilst showing glimpses of quality each game I haven't seen any improvement in his play from when he started and improvement is what should be expected with youngster loanees. Daniels and Bingham should definitely go and if we can get a striker in, possibly Thomas too.
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January window is huge. Too early to call for Moore's head, but things are very poor at the moment. This is how I see it- Bingham and Daniels need to go. I'd say the same with Thomas if we could get a striker in although really we need at least 2. We also need a Central midfielder with a bit of venom. Sheaf for me can also go unless he is used for Centre back cover. He is not the Midfielder we need. Dieng is probably our best keeper at the moment but I feel he still falls short of what we've had in the recent past (He's OK as a shot stopper and calm, but I think he doesn't read the game or command his area) and I'd be inclined to give Jones a try as we've not seen what he can do. I'd have been for signing Dieng until recently but now I'm on the fence. Would be happy with extending his loan for rest of season if his current runs until Jan) An extra Central defender would not go a miss as Daniels needs replacing and we need someone if injuries continue to be a problem. 4 decent players minimum, Maybe 5.
Don't know which of our recent past keepers you're remembering, Dave but neither of them commanded their area anything like Dieng does.
I'm inclined to agree with that. Just using Saturday as an example there were a number of crosses he came out for, plus he has a tendency to catch/claim the ball rather than punch.
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I agree that he shouldn’t just jump in and buy for the sake of it. What I do think is this transfer window will say a lot about his ability and his contacts in football. I’d like to think he has mates / ex workmates at bigger clubs than us who would allow players out on loan
I can’t judge how we are playing I’ve not been this year Reading a lot of comments on here it doesn’t seem to be good to view
I’ve said it before and I stick by it. The best managers are the ones that can see a player and develop them. If I’m to believe what I read on here there hasn’t been any improvement in any of the players and the football is dire
January is so important if he can get good players in then we can still dream.
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It shouldn't even be up for debate how well Dieng commands the area. He's light years ahead of Lawlor in that aspect of the game and probably the best keeper I've seen at Rovers for it. I don't think he's put a foot wrong since he came into the side.
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Deing commands his penalty are better than any goalkeeper we have had since Sully and even that is up for debate. I include Sam Johnstone in that list as Deing only punches the ball when he has no other option.
So for me on crosses, he is the best or equal best with Sully since i started watching Rovers in 1975.
He is probably the best since Harry Gregg in that aspect of his game.
Any one who saw Rovers in the 60’s with another Keeper to mention?
Over to you Selby (Brian) or hound (Graham) etc etc.
Sorry this should be a different thread really.
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The striker position is not the best, Bingham i have reservations about extending, Thomas I definitely would. my opinion of course others would disagree.
The problem of a bull headed centre half that cost us two points against Burton, a point at Wycombe, and a point at Wimbledon, with stupid challenges in each case has been overlooked, and the fact we need to score two goals every game because we cannot keep a clean sheet at the back, mainly because of stupid individual mistakes being made, and are overlooked, and supporters are singling out the wrong perpetrators, in some cases because of the fact they came from non league, and were tarnished before they kicked a ball for us in some cases.
While our ball retention and passing improves in mid field, whoever we play up front will struggle, it is as simple as that. On Saturday we constantly lost possession going forward, and Wimbledon Wycombe, Gillingham and Accrington based their game to expose this weakness, and hit us on the counter attack when in possession, and flood bodies in midfield when we have the ball, with four at the back, and if need be commit a cynical tactical foul if caught short of numbers.
Quicker more direct play is our problem, which is needed to give the front players a chance. I am all for us signing better players, but fail to see if things are not put right in other areas how forwards feeding off scraps will do any better.
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I agree that he shouldn’t just jump in and buy for the sake of it. What I do think is this transfer window will say a lot about his ability and his contacts in football. I’d like to think he has mates / ex workmates at bigger clubs than us who would allow players out on loan
I can’t judge how we are playing I’ve not been this year Reading a lot of comments on here it doesn’t seem to be good to view
I’ve said it before and I stick by it. The best managers are the ones that can see a player and develop them. If I’m to believe what I read on here there hasn’t been any improvement in any of the players and the football is dire
January is so important if he can get good players in then we can still dream.
That's the one point about DM's stewardship to date that does worry me, Copps aside I don't think anyone is performing to their potential and what followed his subbing on Saturday was probably predicted by every Rovers' fan in the ground.
The football too has indeed been dire for much of the time, although ironically we did show a few moments of really nice play against Accy, most (predictably) involving Copps.
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And you replace DM with who ? All the managers that are available are out of work and why are they out of work ?
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Spoilt kids at Christmas most of the doom merchants are, i want it done now followed by a tantrum at the keyboard :crying: :crying: :crying:
We are Donny Rovers not Real Madrid, i just think back to the ninties and am just glad we have the board we now have. Just look at the mess of Bury and just be thankful we are still competing in league one. Things will get better i am sure of that.
Id dread to think if some of the doom merchants had money to put into a football club, we would be bankrupt before the season starts.
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Been saying this for ages now. Dieng is just what we have needed for a few seasons. Crosses and balls into box were a perennial weakness and this lad excels there. So good that I had forgotten it was a problem!
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Just to be clear so that my earlier posts don't get me grouped with the "doom merchants" I completely agree with an earlier post saying we should only be coming to conclusions about DM as manager if we're in this position in twelve months time, I am also 100% in support of (and forever grateful for) the way our club is run and financed by the owners.
Nevertheless our recent form will inevitably give rise to concern amongst the 'I want it now' folk amongst us and debates such as we have here are inevitable.
So, as I said above, for me there are aspects of the way we perform that give rise to concern on my part about DM's management but you won't see me shouting for his head until we see what he does with the next two transfer windows.
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January window is huge. Too early to call for Moore's head, but things are very poor at the moment. This is how I see it- Bingham and Daniels need to go. I'd say the same with Thomas if we could get a striker in although really we need at least 2. We also need a Central midfielder with a bit of venom. Sheaf for me can also go unless he is used for Centre back cover. He is not the Midfielder we need. Dieng is probably our best keeper at the moment but I feel he still falls short of what we've had in the recent past (He's OK as a shot stopper and calm, but I think he doesn't read the game or command his area) and I'd be inclined to give Jones a try as we've not seen what he can do. I'd have been for signing Dieng until recently but now I'm on the fence. Would be happy with extending his loan for rest of season if his current runs until Jan) An extra Central defender would not go a miss as Daniels needs replacing and we need someone if injuries continue to be a problem. 4 decent players minimum, Maybe 5.
Don't know which of our recent past keepers you're remembering, Dave but neither of them commanded their area anything like Dieng does.
I'm inclined to agree with that. Just using Saturday as an example there were a number of crosses he came out for, plus he has a tendency to catch/claim the ball rather than punch.
You can add me to the list of people who think that Dieng DOES command his area.
He is also our best at playing the ball with his feet.
He can play long balls too with good accuracy.
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Hound, I can remember being brought to task when suggesting that Dieng was a better keeper than Lawlor like Daniels another player who has cost us points this season with poor simple avoidable mistakes.
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Squad has more than average quota of players with a mistake in them. Lawlor, Daniels, Wright, Sheaf all have a booboo lurking round the corner.
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Squad has more than average quota of players with a mistake in them. Lawlor, Daniels, Wright, Sheaf all have a booboo lurking round the corner.
How many footballers never make a costly mistake.
The worst mistakes this season for us apart from Daniels penalty clangers have been at the other end of the pitch. We have missed some sitters.
Ennis, Thomas, Bingham, Taylor, Sadlier, Whiteman, May, & Blair all have been culprits.
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Hound, I can remember being brought to task when suggesting that Dieng was a better keeper than Lawlor like Daniels another player who has cost us points this season with poor simple avoidable mistakes.
Selby, I’m not sure if you are saying that Dieng or Lawlor have cost us points with avoidable mistakes.
However, I certainly feel more comfortable when Dieng is between the sticks.
As Campsalll has alluded to though, missed chances at the other end have also cost us points, probably more in fact.
Back to the keepers though, even the best drop clangers, look at DeGay against Watford for example.
Goalkeeping errors often end up with a goal conceded.
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It shouldn't even be up for debate how well Dieng commands the area. He's light years ahead of Lawlor in that aspect of the game and probably the best keeper I've seen at Rovers for it. I don't think he's put a foot wrong since he came into the side.
His decision in the 94th minute with the ball at his feet, not to hoof it but to try a crauff turn and luckily the ball spun out of play after deflecting off the striker instead of in the back of the net must go down as a major error of judgement!!
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Dieng has good qualities as I mentioned above. I think to clarify I'd like him to be more vocal with the defence. Not a major tweak, but something that I feel would help him and the defence. Small margins could mean a lot this season I feel. More of a bug bear of mine is him coming too far off his line watching our attacks. I've seen him do this numerous times and to the extent that he does it I'd really rather he didn't. It can far too easily cost us. In the FA Cup match that we recently lost Vs AFC Wimbledon he was way out of his area when they hoofed it up field. I've just watched it back and he's well in his nets before they shoot and score their second (winning) goal but it can't have helped that he had to run back so far beforehand. On the video highlights only the end of him running back is shown as the camera focuses upon the other players in the build up. Anyway, It's all about opinions and even if you disagree with me (as I expect many of you will) we are all Rovers. I'd be happy to see Dieng extend if needed just not sure on the permanent signing that some have suggested. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you all. RTID :santa:
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Dieng has good qualities as I mentioned above. I think to clarify I'd like him to be more vocal with the defence. Not a major tweak, but something that I feel would help him and the defence. Small margins could mean a lot this season I feel. More of a bug bear of mine is him coming too far off his line watching our attacks. I've seen him do this numerous times and to the extent that he does it I'd really rather he didn't. It can far too easily cost us. In the FA Cup match that we recently lost Vs AFC Wimbledon he was way out of his area when they hoofed it up field. I've just watched it back and he's well in his nets before they shoot and score their second (winning) goal but it can't have helped that he had to run back so far beforehand. On the video highlights only the end of him running back is shown as the camera focuses upon the other players in the build up. Anyway, It's all about opinions and even if you disagree with me (as I expect many of you will) we are all Rovers. I'd be happy to see Dieng extend if needed just not sure on the permanent signing that some have suggested. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you all. RTID :santa:
Same to you sir. :scarf: :scarf:
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Hound if you look back at my postings I was arguing on here Dieng was the better keeper after seeing him in two EFL trophy games, Lawlor for me had constantly made some poor mistakes over his two seasons here, and had not improved at all dealing with crosses.
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Hi mate, sorry, I don’t usually bother trawling back over peoples posts.
However I do agree with your point of view on the two keepers.
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I'll be the first........I'd get rid of Moore now....simply not good enough. This is relegation form. I wrote about my concerns several weeks ago - nothing has changed - sorry, things have got worse.
Needs to get rid of Bingham, Thomas (tried but not good enough), Gomez, Daniels, Sheaf (bench at best), May, Kiwomya....
I have no confidence in Moore at all. His comments in the press & interviews are weak & repetitive.
It won't happen because the board seem to be lacking some direction & purpose at the moment.
We are in troubled waters!
Na Na Na Na Naaa!! Posh 0- 3 Rovers
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Makes the OP seem exactly what it was .... full of sh1t wum
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Very very sadly the performance at peterboro was a "flash in the pan" then
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Very very sadly the performance at peterboro was a "flash in the pan" then
We will see over the next 4/5 games won’t we.
I know it wasn’t a flash in the pan because we have only lost to Oxford & Wycombe both away who are currently in the top 8.
We didn’t play that well today because Sunderland were better than us on the day.
End of. Accept it & move on.
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DD, I thought we were as good today as we were at Peterborough, But Sunderland were far superior to Peterborough as a team.
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Selby, I wasn’t at Peterbro but I honestly find it hard to believe that we were as good today as we were there.
Our passing today was generally poor and we were bullied from the off.
For the first half hour it was like watching an under fifteen steam against men.
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I didn’t go to Peterborough but I’d be shocked if we won as few 2nd balls at Peterborough as we did today.
We had a lot of players having off days today with the exception of dieng, Taylor and possibly Anderson.
Surely we didn’t have 8 players underperforming at Peterborough
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With the exception of Sheaf I don’t think anyone played badly on Boxing Day. And his was only for the first half as he was at his best 2nd half.
Today it was Taylor, Dieng and Anderson dragging the rest through. I thought the difference in success for Wyke against Anderson vs Wright was massive. He had a chance when Wright was on him. He had next to no chance when it was Tom.
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If John is fit for Wednesday then he should partner Anderson and James should return to LB.
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Just don’t see it with Joe Wright. He is a solid player but gets bullied too easily, passing is an absolute disaster zone and always has a mistake in his pocket.
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DD, I thought we were as good today as we were at Peterborough, But Sunderland were far superior to Peterborough as a team.
F*cking hell Brian, I find that statement staggering. We were brilliant at Posh in every way, and absolutely dire today.
As regards Sunderland, they're just a big physical team to me, and were made to look better than they are by our abject display.
To me, Oxford are better than either Posh or Sunderland, and Wednesday will give us more of an idea of where we're really at.
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Very very sadly the performance at peterboro was a "flash in the pan" then
Just like the great performances earlier in the season must have been.?
Jesus f**king h Christ on a bike..
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I'll be the first........I'd get rid of Moore now....simply not good enough. This is relegation form. I wrote about my concerns several weeks ago - nothing has changed - sorry, things have got worse.
Needs to get rid of Bingham, Thomas (tried but not good enough), Gomez, Daniels, Sheaf (bench at best), May, Kiwomya....
I have no confidence in Moore at all. His comments in the press & interviews are weak & repetitive.
It won't happen because the board seem to be lacking some direction & purpose at the moment.
We are in troubled waters!
:laugh::laugh:
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Patience is a virtue.
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Rovers fans have no patience and are quick to moan.
Probably be that we didnt score til then end today
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Can we keep him now
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Rovers fans have no patience and are quick to moan.
Probably be that we didnt score til then end today
It was the same with SO'D. Fans think we should be as consistent as Liverpool.
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We should be better that liverpool.
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Rovers fans have no patience and are quick to moan.
Probably be that we didnt score til then end today
It was the same with SO'D. Fans think we should be as consistent as Liverpool.
We are this year.
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I said when we lost to Sunderland and everyone was baying for blood, that it was no disgrace as they are the best team that I’ve seen in that league, I think the way they’ve ripped Wycombe apart proves they’re no mugs.
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In two weeks time we will have to sort them out.
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I said when we lost to Sunderland and everyone was baying for blood, that it was no disgrace as they are the best team that I’ve seen in that league, I think the way they’ve ripped Wycombe apart proves they’re no mugs.
Sunderland weren't good against us! They didn't even look the typical Phil Parkinson side everyone suggested they'd be e.g. organised, tough to break down.
They put pressure on us in our own half the top but the reason we lost was we were terrible, absolutely horrendous that day. Their defenders won't have much easier games their whole careers!
Wycombe have possibly run out of steam and were in a poor run of form well before they came up against Sunderland.
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Wycombe Wanderers are currently bottom of the League One form table (last five games - Rotherham United are top, we are second).
What is telling about Wycombe Wanderers is that their last four games have been against promotion contenders and they have lost three against Oxford, Portsmouth and Coventry and drawn one against Ipswich Town, scoring only two goals in those four games.
Suspect they are flat track bullies against weaker teams but struggle against the big lads.
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Disagree Sunderland completely stifled us.
Came to do a job and did it professionally.
They may not have played flowing attractive football for 90 mins but there is more than one way to skin a cat.
We were full of confidence going into that game after demolishing Peterborough.
So i don’t think it was us that was poor at all. Two teams playing in every match and sometimes the opposition are the better team on the day.
That’s how i saw it.
Our turn to do to them what they did to us on Fri 24th.
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You have to be careful with posts like this!! They rarely age very well! Going back, I remember people baying for various managers to go who ended up getting us promoted. Right from Billy Bremmner to Dean Saunders ( I know, I know but it was his team pretty much) there’s been a minority of people wanting a change...before seeing us promoted! S’Od is probably the prime example and he built our greatest ever team!
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Amazing how a few weeks changes things, from poor form to good form. I said Moore had work to do to change some things and hes done it. Signs of a good manager that. SOD could do it mostly, Dickov, Ferguson couldn't.
Still some work to do but Moore has to have time to do it simple as that. His success will depend on the players he gets in or not up front.
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I'll be the first........I'd get rid of Moore now....simply not good enough. This is relegation form. I wrote about my concerns several weeks ago - nothing has changed - sorry, things have got worse.
Needs to get rid of Bingham, Thomas (tried but not good enough), Gomez, Daniels, Sheaf (bench at best), May, Kiwomya....
I have no confidence in Moore at all. His comments in the press & interviews are weak & repetitive.
It won't happen because the board seem to be lacking some direction & purpose at the moment.
We are in troubled waters!
Are you feeling like a pair of double D’s right now?!
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Hilarious to read the over reacting of some.
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Christ, but there's some embarrassing emotional spasms on this thread.
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This thread says much more about the posters than any other I have be ever witnessed .
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Don’t know what’s worse the op or the fact someone has took time to dig this thread back up to have a dig at someone, although I don’t a agree with the op he is still entitled to his opinion and at least he gave reasons for his thoughts , not just said Moore out etc , I think it’s more embarrassing how are fans moan at each other more then owt else
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Don’t know what’s worse the op or the fact someone has took time to dig this thread back up to have a dig at someone, although I don’t a agree with the op he is still entitled to his opinion and at least he gave reasons for his thoughts , not just said Moore out etc , I think it’s more embarrassing how are fans moan at each other more then owt else
I think the impatience of fans and knee jerk reaction is something that's ok to be brought back up.
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Don’t know what’s worse the op or the fact someone has took time to dig this thread back up to have a dig at someone, although I don’t a agree with the op he is still entitled to his opinion and at least he gave reasons for his thoughts , not just said Moore out etc , I think it’s more embarrassing how are fans moan at each other more then owt else
Couldnt agree more, they instigate all the negative posts. Then moans when they come.
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It’s what been a football fan is about mate , the highs and the lows , if he don’t think Moore is the right man for the job then so be it but like I said at least he gave reasons at the time for this thoughts and thats what the forum is for , I personally enjoy reading other peoples views even if I don’t agree with them , he was probably only 12 hours away from been right about the depth of the squad but not Moore as I think he is class , I’d like to see a good constructive post about the good things been done over the last few hours in stead of picking an argument over something that was posted weeks ago but that’s just me , come on rovers let’s have them 3 points today
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I think we are placing too much positivity on the signings of Okenabirhie & Cole.
None of us have yet to see them play ninety minutes.
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It's all about the levels of patience that different fans have. Some want instant news and progress and can't understand why others aren't as frustrated and impatient as them.
The other side of the coin is being a little more laid back and wondering what the panic is.
I've learned that worrying about something that you can't alter is a waste of time. Be apprehensive by all means but the only ones really knowing exactly where we stand are DM and the board.
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Don’t know what’s worse the op or the fact someone has took time to dig this thread back up to have a dig at someone, although I don’t a agree with the op he is still entitled to his opinion and at least he gave reasons for his thoughts , not just said Moore out etc , I think it’s more embarrassing how are fans moan at each other more then owt else
This is a wind up right? fans moaning about other fans :facepalm:
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I think we are placing too much positivity on the signings of Okenabirhie & Cole.
None of us have yet to see them play ninety minutes.
They cannot be any worse than Bingham or Thomas.