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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: 5 on Tour on December 29, 2019, 05:32:51 pm
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Boxing Day was a fantastic day out as an away fan and we all hoped it would continue into today.
However, we had the same frailties and errors as the 2 months preceding Peterborough today. Passing out from the back isn’t in itself a bad thing when the situation allows it. Against the high press from a team with 3 up front isn’t the time or place for it.
We hoped that this season was going to be a kick on from last season and for a month it was but since the middle of September we have been distinctly average. We are sliding down the table at an alarming rate and we need some signings to fix it.
We are worse off at the end of 2019 than at the start of it. Yes the Snakey one is the primary cause but we are walking straight into the same situation again with players contracts and the annual summer rebuild.
Realistically we are exactly where we should be(games in hand aside) and we seriously need to accept that this season isn’t leading to the Championship. We shouldn’t have to accept it based on what the club have told us but if January doesn’t yield some signings then I’m afraid to say we were mislead.
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It's the model the club want to approach though. Loans and short term contracts, and hope it comes good.
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This passing out from the back is all well and good if you have a midfield that gives you options. We don’t .. no movement.. statuesque.. devoid of ideas. Sadlier for me was the worst culprit.. Whiteman didn’t influence the game at all and we can’t keep leaving it to Copps to conjure up something . A bollocking is needed and fast if we are to make any progress
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Worth pointing out. Our goal came from a short pass out from Dieng. 4 passes later it was in the back of the net.
The problem is, that was the one and only time we did it swiftly and accurately.
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The manager controls the players he has and Marshall’s them accordingly to meet the threat...
Today DM looked like he was very content with how overrun we were......or didn’t he see it?
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We were just not good enough up front , our second half was weak and without any threat !!!
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Any team that press us high we struggle against. We got bullied today and haven’t got enough players that are good enough on the ball
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Tend to agree the attack just wasnt strong enough. Ennis battles best he can but he doesnt do the job the formation needs.
I also thought tactically Darren Moore got it really wrong. We needed Sheaf to come in and Reece James second half. By having the wrong players in wrong places there was no supply up front and it just didnt work. Thomas came on and had zero impact not for his effort but the lack of supply to him.
Quite an average display against a team set up first to stop us playing and battle which is clearly a problem for us.
Work to do, we arent there consistently. Good on our day but those days arent common enough. Still, if we had the resources of Sunderland where would be?
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I feel a bit sorry for James. He hasn’t done much wrong to get dropped the last few games.
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Just got home, sad to say that we were definitely second best today.
The first half hour was a bit like men against boys.
We were physically inferior and, as has been said, bullied by Sunderland.
Based on the last two months or so I think we at best will be a mid table team.
After their second goal we had a couple of chances to get even again but Sads wasn’t able to put them away, denied first by a great save and then he mistimed his header when he probably should have scored.
It wasn’t all down to him though of course.
Whiteman again had a poor game ( by his standards) and in truth no one seemed able to get a grip on the game.
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Virtually nothing down left hand side in second half. James can usually be relied upon to cause problems going forwards when he plays. Sadlier another one missing in action today.
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My 8 year old asked me a good question on the way home. “Why did we stop playing the high ball when Thomas came on?” Not a clue mate. Not a clue.
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
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Ennis was knackered.
He did his very best but after his exertions on Boxing Day and it being only his 2nd game back from injury i personally think any criticism is unjustified.
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The criticism I have is DM not recognising our midfield was disjointed and over run, Gooch dictated play for them, it was obvious after 15 minutes we needed a change, but nothing until late on
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The criticism I have is DM not recognising our midfield was disjointed and over run, Gooch dictated play for them, it was obvious after 15 minutes we needed a change, but nothing until late on
We needed Sheaf to be honest. A ball winner in the middle of the park. Gomes was far too light weight and also too slow when in possession in the first half. He improved considerably 2nd half but in hind sight Sheaf was needed today.
I didn’t think Cameron John looked comfortable at left back today either.
I understand why he was picked to play there though as his physicality & height would be needed on defending set pieces against a team with considerable power in the air.
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Cameron John had a mare today. I don't know why Moore isn't playing an actual left-back at left-back.
Agree about Gomes. Naive and slow in thought today.
Far too much fannying around at the back today. No urgency. Ponderous.
Far too many off days today. Even Whiteman looked average.
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Cameron John had a mare today. I don't know why Moore isn't playing an actual left-back at left-back.
Agree about Gomes. Naive and slow in thought today.
Far too much fannying around at the back today. No urgency. Ponderous.
Far too many off days today. Even Whiteman looked average.
Agree with all this. It is alright everyone slating Gomes but Whiteman aside from being captain is meant to be our big game man on the big money. Totally invisible today.
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Cameron John had a mare today. I don't know why Moore isn't playing an actual left-back at left-back.
Agree about Gomes. Naive and slow in thought today.
Far too much fannying around at the back today. No urgency. Ponderous.
Far too many off days today. Even Whiteman looked average.
Agree with all this. It is alright everyone slating Gomes but Whiteman aside from being captain is meant to be our big game man on the big money. Totally invisible today.
Whiteman was almost being odd today. Especially at throw ins. He just seemed to be stood in no mans land absolutely no where near where he would normally be.
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Once Sunderland got on top of us early doors, we were always going to have to work hard to get back in the game by doing the basics well when defending and making something from our few attacks, which we did.
It was imperitive we stood firm in the second half for as long as possible and try to get a foothold in the game. Taylor goes on the break with us having more numbers in support and we cock it up. Moments later, Halliday was too weak in the tackle and bang, we're 2-1 down instead of 2-1 up.
Sunderland were on the front foot for the vast majority of the game and fair play to them, they played with more intensity than their recent results suggest. We just didn't have enough collectively to wrestle the initiative from them for long enough. If we had tried to take more risks in the first half, they would have picked us off. They did just that from a moment of sloppiness in the second.
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It's like watching Dickov football at home st the moment I'm afraid to say.. though Sadlier had a great chance or two second half..
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Ennis was knackered.
He did his very best but after his exertions on Boxing Day and it being only his 2nd game back from injury i personally think any criticism is unjustified.
Maybe he was tired and that's fair enough, but he doesnt score goals and that is a problem when hes the main man up front.
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
Spot on that. Gomes was truly awful, why he got the nod over Sheaf will never know. 10 out of the 11 decided to have a collective bad day, Copps anonymous most of the game and when he plays poorly the team seem to replicate. Must sign Dieng- outstanding. We hardly won a first ball, and all this against a team who haven't won for 2 months. Seems we are in awe of Sunderland, and this despite breaking hoodoo's against Leeds, Wednesday, Forest etc. To put it bluntly today's performance was truly baffling. At times it seemed lik a cup tie , with them being in a much higher division. Still never beaten them, and this was our best chance.
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We beat Posh 3-0 away without Copps. ;)
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It's like watching Dickov football at home st the moment I'm afraid to say.. though Sadlier had a great chance or two second half..
Forgot Sadlier was on the pitch at times, he was nesh in the tackle, and all too often just waited for the ball to come to him rather than trying to get to a ball first
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That was a tough watch and I have to agree the better team won. We hadn't played well but were level at half time and I honestly thought we would kick on. Bizarrely, we were having a good spell when they got the winner, when Halliday, who I thought otherwise had a decent game, was too easily brushed off in the tackle and that absolutely kicked the life out of us.
Agree with most people that we had too many under par, notably Whiteman, Taylor worked really hard and was our best outfield player but Dieng was outstanding. Really good save in first half when he tipped one round the post and an absolute worldie save from a header in the second period.
That is the best they have played all season according to my Sunderland mates. I thought they were ok but we made them look good through our own below par performance
A bad day at the office. Take the defeat and move on.
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.
As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.
As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the game
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.
As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the game
Change the record will you, I say it as I see it, I certainly don't subscribe to rose tinted glasses and bytheway I am not your mate!
He was involved in everything going forward and if there were parts of the game he was not involved then that will be because we insisted on attacking down the right side of the pitch far too often.
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We beat Posh 3-0 away without Copps. ;)
Him not playing is different to him playing and not performing I would suggest? If he isn't on the field then the others can't look to him for inspiration. Today he didn't produce the Copps spark we all know and love and I am convinced that was a factor (but not the whole as apart from Dieng everyone had a stinker)
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.
As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the game
Change the record will you, I say it as I see it, I certainly don't subscribe to rose tinted glasses and bytheway I am not your mate!
He was involved in everything going forward and if there were parts of the game he was not involved then that will be because we insisted on attacking down the right side all too often.
I can live with not being your mate, but I also say it as I see it, Today he was all too often waiting for the ball to arrive at his feet, you know sometimes you need to go after the ball, yes he was involved in the goal, he had one decent shot and a chance of a header that he should have done miles better with, but as I say for large parts of the game he was missing, to balance things out a bit other players were n’t at the races either.
You point regarding rose tinted glasses doesn’t stand up, evertime anyone suggests Sadlier did n’t play well you are on them like a ton of bricks
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Three times we’ve played Sunderland in this division and each time we’ve been outmuscled across the pitch.
We made it far too easy for them today. Gifted Gooch the freedom of the Keepmoat to get his shot away for their first goal.
Rather than “play out from the back” we moved it slowly across the back line and invited their high press to put us under pressure with nowhere to go. For most of the game there was a huge hole in the middle of the park with neither Whiteman or Gomes affecting the game. It looks to me like our wide players are instructed to provide defensive cover by tucking in first, and getting forward later. Coppinger was largely crowded out and Ennis isolated.
The one time in the first half that we got Coppinger facing goal and Sadlier running forward the two of them combined to set up Taylor and we scored. Unfortunately we then came out for the second half on the back foot again. Other than a couple of Sadlier efforts (one brilliant shot and one header that he knew he should’ve scored) and one long run by Taylor where he failed to get his head up, we barely threatened.
They fully deserved their win. For me it’s just a shame that we didn’t give them more to think about. Gomes looked too slow in thought and Coppinger was not at his best and harried out of the game. But tactically I just felt we got the approach wrong.
This should’ve been a good time to play Sunderland but we made it easy for them in the end.
We need to sign Dieng. Our man of the match by some distance.
It was a hard watch today, especially that first 25 minutes, we had no one centrally with a bit of composure, able to put a foot on the ball and get us playing going forward, although I thought we did get better in the second half and but for a bit more luck could have nicked it, but other than that I think you have it about spot on Jonathan.
As for some on here suggesting that Sadlier was missing in action, I really wonder what game you were watching and suggest you watch the game back again, because but for him we would have created absolutely nothing today and that includes Taylors goal.
Take your Sadlier blinkers off mate, he was missing for large parts of the game
Change the record will you, I say it as I see it, I certainly don't subscribe to rose tinted glasses and bytheway I am not your mate!
He was involved in everything going forward and if there were parts of the game he was not involved then that will be because we insisted on attacking down the right side all too often.
I can live with not being your mate, but I also say it as I see it, Today he was all too often waiting for the ball to arrive at his feet, you know sometimes you need to go after the ball, yes he was involved in the goal, he had one decent shot and a chance of a header that he should have done miles better with, but as I say for large parts of the game he was missing, to balance things out a bit other players were n’t at the races either.
You point regarding rose tinted glasses doesn’t stand up, evertime anyone suggests Sadlier did n’t play well you are on them like a ton of bricks
Criticism of a players performance is fine if done in a way fair and equitable way, but it seems that Sadlier's name is one of the first, if not the first name that is reeled off for criticism whenever Rovers play badly and a lot of the time its unwarranted. A lot of his hard work and contribution on the pitch goes completely unnoticed or worse still attributed to another player because people don't concentrate on the game when at the match or they simply don't see it.
For me he was one of our better players today on what was a hard watch as a game, involved in most if not all our attacks and was also found deep in our own half defending quite a bit as well. Watch the game back again and you will see what I mean.
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Sads and Taylor were certainly the best of our attacking threat. One good moment from Copps today but we can’t rely on him every game. Ennis was blowing and I’m not surprised after the period he’s had off. As for the central 2 well...
Overall a bad bad bad day at the office for the team. They happen. Unfortunately they’re happening far too often now.
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
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After that performance at Peterbro almost 8500 home fans turned up today.
I don’t foresee anywhere near that many coming on Wednesday and it will be fewer still if we play against Oxford like we did today.
The team needs strengthening considerably if we are to avoid poorer attendances.
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For all those who don’t think we need re-inforcements in midfield, you got your answer tonight. The front 4 were, quite simply, not at the races. Only Taylor can hold his head up, after that showing, but even he disappeared later in the second half.
When the manager has to revert to bringing on Thomas and Watters, you know the race is run.
We desperately need some quality signings and if we don’t ‘get them over the line’, I think even Bolton may pass us.
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Thomas is a physical presence until he jumps for the ball. 6 foot 3 but 5 foot 10 when he jumps. Simply not good enough for me.
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I think we're being overly harsh about individual players when for the most part, Sunderland deprived us of time on the ball in the critical areas. If our supply line isn't operating effectively then Sadlier, Ennis and Taylor are living off scraps. When it's not flowing as good as it might, you have to dig in and be patient, which we did to a point. Their second goal was a killer and we know how cynical they can be (handball etc) but you have to give them credit for the intensity they played all game. It does not surprise me if Sunderland fans are saying that's the best they've played all season.
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It's the model the club want to approach though. Loans and short term contracts, and hope it comes good.
I agree, a mid table or yoyo club between Lg.1 and 2, no more, no less.
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I think even Bolton may pass us.
I can see it now ,end of season and we play Bolton away and both teams need to win to stay up . :suicide:
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It’s a big year
If this time next year we have a similar squad then it will be glaringly obvious we are cutting back.
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For all those who don’t think we need re-inforcements in midfield, you got your answer tonight. The front 4 were, quite simply, not at the races. Only Taylor can hold his head up, after that showing, but even he disappeared later in the second half.
When the manager has to revert to bringing on Thomas and Watters, you know the race is run.
We desperately need some quality signings and if we don’t ‘get them over the line’, I think even Bolton may pass us.
To be at the races, you have to be in the running and to do that you have to have the ball and we didn't, for me we lost the game in our central midfield, we were second to everything and lacked composure when we did have the ball and left our front three feeding off long balls and scraps off the table.
Also don't think your comments are particularly supportive of young Watters who is just starting out in the game, that was a big thing for him coming on against Sunderland in front of that crowd, we should be encouraging the blooding of young players, what did we have to lose at that stage of the game bringing him on with a minute of normal time left?
Bolton won't finish higher than us, no chance.
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It's like watching Dickov football at home st the moment I'm afraid to say.. though Sadlier had a great chance or two second half..
Forgot Sadlier was on the pitch at times, he was nesh in the tackle, and all too often just waited for the ball to come to him rather than trying to get to a ball first
You forgot he was on? Really?
Name one effort at goal we had that didn’t involve Sadlier. Seriously, there was not one. Take him out and it would’ve been a whole lot worse.
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Bolton won't finish higher than us, no chance.
I wouldn't be so sure , in points gained they are only 6 behind us having played the same amount of games.
Don't forget that they also played their first 6/7 games with basically a youth team.
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If they hadn’t had the points deduction they’d be 9 points behind us.
But they’re 21 points behind us, no way they will overtake us this season
No chance at all
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis.
2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile”
We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t?
Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
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Pre-season was a mess and we have had disruption and unfortunate injuries, but what was true for the failed tenures of Dickov and Ferguson has also to apply to Moore.
If the Board is providing a top 6 budget and the manager is delivering us mid-table finishes (Dickov) or relegation (Ferguson) then that is not good enough.
With that budget we need to be top half as minimum and pushing for play offs as a realistic expectation.
With games in hand we could end up matching what the budget should reasonably deliver but it would be a poor season if we are lurking in bottom half as Ferguson delivered us. What applied to his failed tenure has also to apply to Moore.
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis.
2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile”
We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t?
Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
Although you did predict we would finish 3rd this season. So I’d imagine you of all people would be very disappointed with our current league position?
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Pre-season was a mess and we have had disruption and unfortunate injuries, but what was true for the failed tenures of Dickov and Ferguson has also to apply to Moore.
If the Board is providing a top 6 budget and the manager is delivering us mid-table finishes (Dickov) or relegation (Ferguson) then that is not good enough.
With that budget we need to be top half as minimum and pushing for play offs as a realistic expectation.
With games in hand we could end up matching what the budget should reasonably deliver but it would be a poor season if we are lurking in bottom half as Ferguson delivered us. What applied to his failed tenure has also to apply to Moore.
Agreed
The one point I’d make though is we’ve been told now for two seasons that the manager has decided to not use all the funds made available to him,
Which when you look at the state of the squad is baffling
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I think everyone is agreed on this, from what Baldwin said at Meet the Owners at the start of the season this is clearly the expectation of the Board. They think top two is 9 years out of 10 a fantasy for us due to budgets of some teams likely to be in this league, but play offs are realistic.
We are not in the play offs and while there are mitigating factors, we cannot be accepting bottom half finishes with this budget from any manager.
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis.
2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile”
We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t?
Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
It was a typo re Campbell but probably quite apt as your footballing vision is akin to Neil Campbell as a striker equivalent.. it now comes back to me it was you who proclaimed some on here didnt have the same footballing vision re our striker situation... 3 months on I bow to your vision and proclaimed wisdom..
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What are you talking about? ;)
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis.
2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile”
We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t?
Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
It was a typo re Campbell but probably quite apt as your footballing vision is akin to Neil Campbell as a striker equivalent.. it now comes back to me it was you who proclaimed some on here didnt have the same footballing vision re our striker situation... 3 months on I bow to your vision and proclaimed wisdom..
Bore off DEIY. At least Campsall contributes to debate and has a view and contributes rather taking shots from the cheap seats!
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Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
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Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
Really cannot agree, thought Sunderland were distinctly average.
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Average compared to what.? They battled and fought for their win as much as any other opponent we have faced this season..
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I think we just made them look good, there’ll not be so many midfields as lightweight as ours.
They won every second ball all over the pitch that’s more down to us not battling than them being better than us
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Average compared to what.? They battled and fought for their win as much as any other opponent we have faced this season..
Yes, very average compared to some other teams we have played this season. They were not as good as Oxford, Coventry, Ipswich or Blackpool imo. They scored early and won every second phase ball for large parts of the first half but never got away from us and on another day had we taken our chances we could have knicked that yesterday. They were nothing great, we just got beaten up and did not compete for second phase ball in midfield as Dickos1 has already said.
I also think we have 3-4 players that would improve them.
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Dickov football at best.. proverbial chickens home to roost regarding striker situation... all you summer transfer window brigade or false number 9s or Kwiyoma a chance brigade.. this is exactly why I was so passionately berate come late August.. cos it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of football brain we had left ourselves high and dry with no goals upfront (which one of you talked about having football vision the rest of us didnt have re our goalscoring situation.. shabby, vaya, Campbell rover.. I dont know cant remember, but whoever it was you know and your a footballing imbecile..) we have good centre halfs and in Sadlier, Taylor, Whiteman and Coppinger goals and assists from midfield but we have zero goals outlet upfront.. if we dont sort it out in January it will be a very long second half of the season..
My user name is Campsall rover not Campbell. It’s after the village to the north of Doncaster near Askern, Norton, Sutton & Burghwallis.
2nd point i don’t know what on Earth you are talking about and who are you calling “a footballing imbecile”
We all know we need a goal scorer in the team. Who has said we don’t?
Is there any need for a post like that. Shabby, Vaya and myself are positive with our posts but if you think any of us have said we don’t need a striker you must have been on another clubs forum.
It was a typo re Campbell but probably quite apt as your footballing vision is akin to Neil Campbell as a striker equivalent.. it now comes back to me it was you who proclaimed some on here didnt have the same footballing vision re our striker situation... 3 months on I bow to your vision and proclaimed wisdom..
Bore off DEIY. At least Campsall contributes to debate and has a view and contributes rather taking shots from the cheap seats!
I'm not taking pot shots from the cheap seats.. I made my views known on here 3 to 4 months ago about concerns over not signing a striker or two before the window shut and was cascaded by those in the cheap seats on here.. there is a whole sway of warriors on here waiting to shoot down anyone who criticises the club and its management.. on the striker issue looks like those who took the shots from the cheap seats regarding the lack of decent striker transfer activity in the summer have seen the consequences of the lack of that activity.. let's hope its soon rectified in the January window.. but I am simply reminding those in the cheap seats firing shots how wrong they were and are re Kwiyoma or false number 9s or Coppinger as a number 9 or we will get someone before 31st August or a loan now the window is shut brigade..
Let's hope we have a good window transfer wise, the key players out of contract next summer extend their contracts and then the likes of myself will shut up and be very happy with the direction of travel for the club.. the summer was a bumpy ride so let's hope this next window and the coming summer one leave us looking alot stronger again..
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Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
What we honestly expect is what the club have said they're aiming for, which is a top 6 finish.
Especially since we're apparently on a top 6 budget.
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Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
What we honestly expect is what the club have said they're aiming for, which is a top 6 finish.
Especially since we're apparently on a top 6 budget.
Who has said at the Club we have a top 6 budget this season.
Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Fleetwood & Rotherham i would expect have bigger budgets. Coventry, possibly and Wycombe who have new investors possibly also.
It’s all speculation. Whatever our budget is, i don’t think we have used it all yet.
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Gavin Baldwin
Silent majority
David blunt
Are you suggesting we don’t?
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Despite Sunderland’s league position, they were the best team I’ve seen this season , I doubt any of our players would get in their team. I’m positive they’ll start to climb the table. We’re an average team in this league, we’ll finish mid table probably, what do people honestly expect? We’re in about the right position for a club our size, cool your jets people!
What we honestly expect is what the club have said they're aiming for, which is a top 6 finish.
Especially since we're apparently on a top 6 budget.
Who has said at the Club we have a top 6 budget this season.
Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Peterborough, Fleetwood & Rotherham i would expect have bigger budgets. Coventry, possibly and Wycombe who have new investors possibly also.
It’s all speculation. Whatever our budget is, i don’t think we have used it all yet.
So if we're not on a top 6 budget, are the club asking DM to overachieve?
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Don’t know what the club are expecting this season but he won’t get the sack if we finish out of the top 6.
Next season the play offs will be much more a serious target.
Do you seriously think he is under pressure to finish top 6 this season?
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Gavin Baldwin
Silent majority
David blunt
Are you suggesting we don’t?
Not suggesting anything because i never heard it from the board.
It’s possible we have a top 6 budget, but we won’t have used it all yet and may not this season. Will depend on who arrives in January.
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Gavin Baldwin
Silent majority
David blunt
Are you suggesting we don’t?
I feel certain that it was reported on this forum numerous times.
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It was and if you search back to the supporters meeting, I’m sure you’ll find it.
Short memories on here when it suits!
To be fair, I think what was said was we had a budget in the top 8, but don’t quote me - just do the search - it’ll be there somewhere.
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Gavin Baldwin
Silent majority
David blunt
Are you suggesting we don’t?
Not suggesting anything because i never heard it from the board.
It’s possible we have a top 6 budget, but we won’t have used it all yet and may not this season. Will depend on who arrives in January.
Which is what I’ve been saying for ages! But you’ve always argued against it.
We have a top 6 budget but the squad doesn’t currently resemble a top 6 squad. So we need to improve it in January
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What about the current squad with a fit Blair, Sterling and. Baptiste:?
We will never know how that would have panned out..
Having a top 6 budget and a top 6 squad won’t guarantee performances and results..
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I don’t know what your arguing about, even Moore has stated the squad is lightweight and needs adding to.
Nobody is saying it would but generally the sides with the best players have the best results??
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My point was that before injuries set in we had more of a competitive squad.. not even debating anything just raising a point..
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All squads get injuries though, that’s why you need a strong enough one to cope with them
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All squads get injuries though, that’s why you need a strong enough one to cope with them
Although you are on record saying you'd 'no idea' what we'd have done if both our main forwards had been out injured at the same time last season.
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Don’t know what the club are expecting this season but he won’t get the sack if we finish out of the top 6.
Next season the play offs will be much more a serious target.
Do you seriously think he is under pressure to finish top 6 this season?
Didn't you go to the last MTO? The aim was specifically stated as being the top 6.
Why do you think it will be a more serious target next season?
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All squads get injuries though, that’s why you need a strong enough one to cope with them
Although you are on record saying you'd 'no idea' what we'd have done if both our main forwards had been out injured at the same time last season.
You could say that to any side.
I know your intelligent enough to not be trying to argue last years striking options were no better than this years.
Aren’t you?