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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: redarmy82 on January 05, 2020, 11:20:50 am
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From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.
Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.
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From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.
Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.
Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?
I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.
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8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.
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8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.
An early candidate for most ridiculous reply of the year?
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Just popped my head in and I see this place hasn't improved for the change of year. LOL!
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8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.
An early candidate for most ridiculous reply of the year?
there was obviously a bit of sarcasm in there. But the situation is bleak. We keep letting players go with no replacements and are squad is thin enough as it is. It’s a worrying situation
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From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.
Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.
Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?
I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.
I fail to see how it's irrelevant as we seem to be in a similar situation every summer.
Anyway, the question was, how many other league clubs will have a similar number of players in contract come the end of the season. It's a genuine question.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
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From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.
Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.
Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?
I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.
I fail to see how it's irrelevant as we seem to be in a similar situation every summer.
Anyway, the question was, how many other league clubs will have a similar number of players in contract come the end of the season. It's a genuine question.
How many is it then?
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Look at the players though, it's the ones we have that are good enough. Probably only really Sadlier, Blair and one or two of the youngsters to get signed up really.
It's perfectly clear we will likely have a busy summer whatever happens this season. Darren may get 1 or two permanent this month but that'll be it until the summer. Given last summer that's just how it is. I'd hope the club are thinking longer than short term, the loss of McCann was massive and has pretty much blown the whole recruitment piece.
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If we can get a good striker the spine of the teams solid and a good platform to build around
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Look at the players though, it's the ones we have that are good enough. Probably only really Sadlier, Blair and one or two of the youngsters to get signed up really.
It's perfectly clear we will likely have a busy summer whatever happens this season. Darren may get 1 or two permanent this month but that'll be it until the summer. Given last summer that's just how it is. I'd hope the club are thinking longer than short term, the loss of McCann was massive and has pretty much blown the whole recruitment piece.
Add Lawlor and Coppinger to that. Probably one or two others I've missed.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
Nice presumption, that.
There is nothing to say we wouldn't be able to sign Dieng or Sheaf permanently. It is unlikely with the two Wolves lads but again, it's not certain. I don't think we felt we had a great chance of keeping Sharp or Mills permanently when they first came, in fact many said it was out of the question. Yet we did.
As for our current contracted players, I'd say the majority of the first team squad that we already own are contracted for next season also. There's only Sadlier and Coppinger of the regular XI, and Copps never has a new contract this early in the season now he's knocking on the door of retirement. I don't think he'd sign one if we offered it either, as he usually keeps the decision over whether to continue his until closer to the summer. You'll find no argument from me that we need to get Sadlier signed up asap, but it's no disaster beyond him.
James, Anderson, Wright, Halliday, Whiteman and Taylor are all signed up for next year. That is a solid starting point to build on, which I'm sure we will.
If you really look at it, the list of players out of contract contain very few players who we should be desperate to keep. Aside from Sadlier and Coppinger, that list is as follows: Lawlor, Jones, Amos, Horton, Baptiste, Blaney, McLean, Greaves, Blair, Prior, Longbottom, Kiwomya, Watters, Gibbons, Boocock
How many of them would you really want to be contracted beyond this season? Taking out development prospects who won't be on much money away, you have Lawlor, Baptiste, Blair, Longbottom and Kiwomya. There would be an outcry on here if three of those had contracts running beyond this summer. Blair is 30+ now and been injured most of the season so stands to reason he is playing to earn a deal when he comes back, and Lawlor has failed to push on since arriving and has lost his place to two different keepers now.
So it's all well and good saying we need to have more players contracted long term, but that strategy caused us to throw money down the drain on players like Cedric Evina, Harry Middleton and Mitchell Lund not too long ago. When you look at it, the current squad is in need of an overhaul and when given a full summer to do just that I expect Darren Moore and the club to complete that overhaul. Until then we have to make the best of what we do have for this season, a season heavily compromised by the sudden departure of the previous manager straight after he released half our senior first team players.
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Lawlor has another year anyway, and Gomes has been omitted from the list of those under contract for next season.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.
The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.
Did you lose the love of the club when we signed Herbie Kane? Would you if we sign Idah?
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We could be playing like the Brazil 1970 team and there’d still be complaints that the chips sold at half time are shite.
I’m sure DM knows how many players we need to put out a team and to make up a squad. I really wouldn’t let it worry you.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
No one has said anything about Bramhall, do you hate him that much to bring him up again
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Its the way the club wants to run now. Have a core spine then fill the rest with loans. I am sure I read it somewhere. Like Shrewsbury did the other year
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Tbh when you look at those already contracted I don’t see a problem. We now have someone in charge of recruitment so there will be players identified to come in either now or the summer (or more likely both)
I can’t see us not having loanees as that seems to be a model being adopted at our level.
We have a decent squad but the season has been so stop start that consistency is the problem
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Jesus wept..
We are only a handful of days into the transfer window..
Beats me why some fans don’t get the idea that the club will be working on player contracts out of the public eye..
I would like to see the op calculations.. what’s wrong with giving new deals to our better prospect younger players..?
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If we got 9k home fans in every week the story would be different. Do we still operate at a loss and directors having to fund the difference?
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.
The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.
Not strictly true.
- Stock was signed on loan with a permanent deal agreed
- Sharp was signed on loan after we had initially tried but failed to buy him. We then signed him at the end of his loan spell.
- Mills exactly as Sharp.
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I thought sharp was signed on loan when we failed to sign Kris Killen Jonathon?
Anyhow that's not really a question to do with the thread - apologies.
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Wow. Dodged a bullet there!
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Does not matter who we sign or loan The Tactics have to be right playing from the back does not work for us
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Its the way the club wants to run now. Have a core spine then fill the rest with loans. I am sure I read it somewhere. Like Shrewsbury did the other year
and look what happend to them the season after they got relegated
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Refering to the OP, it's a situation, not sure it's a bad situation, given that we regularly hear complaints about the players we have. Surely people who are complaining about our players can see this as an opportunity.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.
The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.
Not strictly true.
- Stock was signed on loan with a permanent deal agreed
- Sharp was signed on loan after we had initially tried but failed to buy him. We then signed him at the end of his loan spell.
- Mills exactly as Sharp.
Jonathan
1) Stock. Agreed. That's the one.
2) Sharp. That's the first I've heard that we tried and failed to sign him in the summer of 2009 on a permanent. Not saying it's not true, but I don't recall any discussion of that at the time.
Similarly a year later. His loan spell effectively ended through injury in March 2019 and he went back to Sheff Utd. We all assumed that was the last we were going to see of him in a Donny shirt. There was no expectation of us signing him permanently.
He didn't actually sign for us until 7 July that summer which suggests that was a long way short of being a done deal previously. I also recall the permanent signing coming as quite a (pleasant) surprise to most of us, so if it WAS a long term plan, the club did a superb job of keeping it quiet.
3) Mills. You might recall the chuntering on here after the celebrations at Wembley, when Mills turned his shirt back to front and kept pointing at his name. The general opinion among our fans at the time was that he was parading himself to potentially buyers.
(https://anmblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c565553ef015390fb16e8970b-pi)
Again, he didn't sign a permanent deal until 31 July 2008, and again, it came a pleasing news. There is no indication whatsoever that we EXPECTED him to be a permanent signing when we took him on loan.
Which is my point. Circumstances alter cases. In Mills's case, there's not a chance in a million that we would have signed him if we'd not been promoted. In more recent times, if Marosi hadn't done the dying swan thing in extra time at Charlton, I suspect there's a strong chance we would have signed Wilks. Similarly, if we were to get promoted this season, I suspect we'd be in the market for Dieng and Ennis. Possibly John.
What redarmy is doing for some reason, and what you're aiding him in, is retrospectively spinning a narrative around what actually happened (but might well not have done) in past cases, and assuming what will happen in future cases.
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
No one has said anything about Bramhall, do you hate him that much to bring him up again
Phew...
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It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.
Aye.
It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.
And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.
Bloody shite Bramhall.
As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.
We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.
The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.
Did you lose the love of the club when we signed Herbie Kane? Would you if we sign Idah?
If you think our recruitment of players this year has been good enough your deluded!
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Of course it hasn't. But I try to keep a sense of perspective about it. We were left in a shite position by McCann. We've had injury problems since then. These things happen. It seems a bit excessive to jump from that to claiming that you're losing interest in the club.
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I’m not aiding anyone in anything. I’m merely stating my recollection of how things happened. It was all over Sky Sports News on a Thursday night (I was at the races and even now I recall texts flying everywhere) that we’d lodged a bid for Billy Sharp. It wasn’t concluded ahead of our weekend game (when I also recall we could’ve desperately used him) and then he eventually arrived on loan. Everyone was excited, except for BST who was at pains to point out that Heffernan was better 😉. I liked Heffernan too by the way, but Sharp was the next level up.
Mills was obviously a long term SO’D target after he’d had him at Bournemouth. We signed him on loan first and then permanently.
I’m not saying that the permanent deals were all agreed at the outset, otherwise we’d never have loaned them initially. But they were targets for the longer term, and they turned out to be good investments, that was my point.
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To answer the OP. it is better to be able to renew some of the squad than be stuck with very expensive players who fail to get promotion such as a lot of the Championship sides, and such as Sunderland and Peterborough have on their books, mostly with little or no resale value anywhere near what they paid for them and on in many cases inflated wages.
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Jonathan.
I don't think we're far apart in our recollections. I suspect the 2009 "bid" for Sharp was a bid for a loan deal. And I agree that O'Driscoll had long-admired Mills. But he wouldn't have got him on a permanent deal if we'd not gone up in 2008.
Regarding Sharp-Heffernan...actually, nah..
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From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.
Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.
Well do some research and then you can let us all know.
I remember Blackpool going up through the leagues on the back of loan players and everyone saying what a great idea that was.
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The only thing bleak is the negative posting on this forum.
Same old, same old, same old.
Redarmy82 and your followers, you are very sad people.
Sorry, sad, depressing. For crying out loud get a life.
I can come on this forum full of the joys of spring and 20 mins later i can feel like crying.
I can’t find anything else to say except it’s pathetically boring.
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To answer the OP. it is better to be able to renew some of the squad than be stuck with very expensive players who fail to get promotion such as a lot of the Championship sides, and such as Sunderland and Peterborough have on their books, mostly with little or no resale value anywhere near what they paid for them and on in many cases inflated wages.
Brian do you think they have the brains to understand that?
Doesn’t matter what we say. They will just keep on coming up with continuous negative drivel to suit their personal agenda against the Club, Board & Manager.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
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Lose our identity.?
When in recent years have we not had any loanees.?
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
Do you think Charlton fans felt they lost their identity when they used 6 loan signings last season to achieve promotion?
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
I don’t see your point, every player is temporary, do we lose our identity when players leave?
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
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Please can someone explain what losing our identity means.?
Whether our team is made of old experienced pros who have been at the club for years, or contracted players in their prime like Whiteman, or young lads like Watters and with loanees, they all wear DRFC kit and the DRFC badge.?
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course they don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
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I think we need a mix. We wont get top quality youngsters like Kane permanently in league 1, just wont happen, hence a few of them deals work well.
Do I think we have too many loanees? Yes and I do think we need more permanent players in and youngsters too. But let's not forget the situation the club found itself in this year.
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I think we need a mix. We wont get top quality youngsters like Kane permanently in league 1, just wont happen, hence a few of them deals work well.
Do I think we have too many loanees? Yes and I do think we need more permanent players in and youngsters too. But let's not forget the situation the club found itself in this year.
Correct we had little choice.
But it’s not a problem if you get good ones.
Downing, Kane, Wilks were all loanees last season. Didn’t work out too bad did it?
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Why do poster have say go and watch another team to emphasise their point of view. We are all Doncaster Rovers supporters but we are not all Lemmings who follow blindly. There different point of views which have to be accepted.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
I don’t agree about me being negative only the other day I was arguing against people who were moaning about our display against oxford.
But spending money doesn’t automatically mean we will go bust like you keep suggesting. And I’d also point out that making lots of loan signings isn’t something really solid.
A few years ago we had a decent policy signing players like
Wright, marquis, lawlor, mason, whiteman, Andrew, players we can develop but are our own players.
This was an exciting policy that laid great foundations but seems to have stopped now
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I think we need a mix. We wont get top quality youngsters like Kane permanently in league 1, just wont happen, hence a few of them deals work well.
Do I think we have too many loanees? Yes and I do think we need more permanent players in and youngsters too. But let's not forget the situation the club found itself in this year.
I'm sure most of us tend to think that way, but things have changed with season or half season long loans meaning players can fully integrate into the squad.
In simple terms, I'm sure if we were managers and had the same choices, using the loan system to the max, when you can bring in young players that are of a standard we couldn't otherwise develop ourselves or afford to buy, then I would suggest most of us would take that option.
I don't see how or why the board should be criticised for this when it's the manager who decides which path to follow. It is he who decides who goes, who comes and when.
It just seems convenient for people to criticise the board because they can't reconcile what they hear and see.
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Well you need to go back and read all your posts then.
If they are positive then help is required. You have done nothing but be critical about the way the playing side of the club has been run continuously since August.
You are not the same person on this forum that you were 3 years ago or less.
You sound very bitter. Not putting 2 & 2 together but very strange it coincided with the departure of a certain Manager.
Seriously though since that time your whole attitude towards the club has completely changed.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
I don’t agree about me being negative only the other day I was arguing against people who were moaning about our display against oxford.
But spending money doesn’t automatically mean we will go bust like you keep suggesting. And I’d also point out that making lots of loan signings isn’t something really solid.
A few years ago we had a decent policy signing players like
Wright, marquis, lawlor, mason, whiteman, Andrew, players we can develop but are our own players.
This was an exciting policy that laid great foundations but seems to have stopped now
Not sure the signing policy has changed or stopped, just hasn’t been as successful as we may have liked.?
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Hardly surprising really when we've had three different managers at the helm.
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To answer the OP. it is better to be able to renew some of the squad than be stuck with very expensive players who fail to get promotion such as a lot of the Championship sides, and such as Sunderland and Peterborough have on their books, mostly with little or no resale value anywhere near what they paid for them and on in many cases inflated wages.
Agreed, &, as I've alluded to on another thread, I wonder which posters were going mad that Luton had gazumped us on the Daniel's signing....
I don't see a problem signing loans for 6 or 12 months to complement the permanent, seems shrewd business to me at our level.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
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I don’t think anyone was going mad that Luton had gazumped us to Daniels. It was more of a head in the hands and laugh moment. We’d spent all the time waiting to fill places in the squad and get a striker over the line. Then finally on deadline day we failed with the striker search, cancelled Crawford’s contract, and right at the eleventh hour turned the signing of a free agent defender into a loan! It summed up the summer window and if you didn’t laugh you’d cry.
Look, we’re not in a disastrous predicament. We’re actually handily placed in the table, especially if you consider the upheaval. We have a good eleven which is a strong core to build from. But very obviously we need reinforcements and a larger base of players to move forward with. The sky isn’t falling in, but we’re football fans of course we want the team to get stronger and do as well as it can. We have a chance this season if we strengthen in this window.
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Why do poster have say go and watch another team to emphasise their point of view. We are all Doncaster Rovers supporters but we are not all Lemmings who follow blindly. There different point of views which have to be accepted.
Exactly right, there is having your opinion & posters disagreeing with that opinion & having their say & debating. Then there are others that tell you what to do because they don't agree with your opinion. Sad really.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.
Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.
Most clubs at League 1 & 2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.
People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.
What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s
We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.
Seriously what’s not to like.
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC
The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.
Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.
Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.
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Regarding loans, I've just had a look at appearances made by loan players and compared it to the last 5 seasons (info from wiki so might not be entirely accurate, all competitions including sub appearances)...
Season - Total appearances - Loanee appearances - %age - Total loanees
2015/16 - 718 - 153 - 21.3% - 14
2016/17 - 699 - 119 - 17.0% - 4
2017/18 - 755 - 136 - 18.0% - 5
2018/19 - 815 - 120 - 14.7% - 6
2019/20 - 396 - 93 - 23.5% - 6 (as at 1st Jan)
So there's definitely a much greater dependence on loanees than we've had previously. We've had as many loanees already as the most we've had in the past 4 years, and will likely add at least 2 more to replace Sterling & Daniels in January (I see the 2015-16 total loanees as a bit of an outlier as the majority were either short term cover or desperate throws of the dice with relegation looming). We also have had almost a quarter of our first team appearances by loanees which seems a really high number (though to be fair no idea how this compares with most other clubs*).
The loan system is great for allowing us to get players of Kane's & John's quality but there's definitely the downside that an overdependence means constant squad upheaval. We need to make sure that we're striking the right balance between building and developing our own players and bringing in loanees, and right now I don't think we are - hopefully that's just the circumstances of the summer though, rather than a long term strategy.
*Charlton's figures for last season were 6 loanees (only 5 of which played), making 15.5% of total appearances. I've seen them mentioned a few times as a team that were largely made up of loanees but it's not really comparable to our situation so far this season.
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Regarding loans, I've just had a look at appearances made by loan players and compared it to the last 5 seasons (info from wiki so might not be entirely accurate, all competitions including sub appearances)...
Season - Total appearances - Loanee appearances - %age - Total loanees
2015/16 - 718 - 153 - 21.3% - 14
2016/17 - 699 - 119 - 17.0% - 4
2017/18 - 755 - 136 - 18.0% - 5
2018/19 - 815 - 120 - 14.7% - 6
2019/20 - 396 - 93 - 23.5% - 6 (as at 1st Jan)
So there's definitely a much greater dependence on loanees than we've had previously. We've had as many loanees already as the most we've had in the past 4 years, and will likely add at least 2 more to replace Sterling & Daniels in January (I see the 2015-16 total loanees as a bit of an outlier as the majority were either short term cover or desperate throws of the dice with relegation looming). We also have had almost a quarter of our first team appearances by loanees which seems a really high number (though to be fair no idea how this compares with most other clubs*).
The loan system is great for allowing us to get players of Kane's & John's quality but there's definitely the downside that an overdependence means constant squad upheaval. We need to make sure that we're striking the right balance between building and developing our own players and bringing in loanees, and right now I don't think we are - hopefully that's just the circumstances of the summer though, rather than a long term strategy.
*Charlton's figures for last season were 6 loanees (only 5 of which played), making 15.5% of total appearances. I've seen them mentioned a few times as a team that were largely made up of loanees but it's not really comparable to our situation so far this season.
This season so far it’s loanees or we get more Thomas’s & Bingham’s. DM has had his hands tied.
This window we might get a couple of permanent signing but it’s only might.
In the Summer i would expect 5/6 .
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.
Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.
Most clubs at League 1 & 2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.
People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.
What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s
We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.
Seriously what’s not to like.
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC
The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.
Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.
Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.
But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.
Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.
Most clubs at League 1 & 2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.
People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.
What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s
We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.
Seriously what’s not to like.
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC
The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.
Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.
Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.
But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts
Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.
Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.
Most clubs at League 1 & 2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.
People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.
What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s
We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.
Seriously what’s not to like.
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC
The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.
Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.
Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.
But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts
Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.
The board went on record and said the Marquis money would be given to the manager to spend. I haven't seen any evidence of that so far.
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How does he spend it out of the transfer window?
So we should just blow it on anybody should we?
Say something constructive. We have heard this same tripe week after week.
Change the record.
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You haven’t seen evidence of the money being spent, or given to the manager.?
Perhaps, as looks the case to me, he hasn’t spent it YET.?
If you mean the latter, how would you know.?
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The loans must be gratis then!
Once again. The manager chooses how he wants to spend the budget. We have no clue what's been spent on what or whom, so the debate is pointless.
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The loans must be gratis then!
Once again. The manager chooses how he wants to spend the budget. We have no clue what's been spent on what or whom, so the debate is pointless.
Any debate is pointless then. Might as well close the forum down.
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Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.[
Point of fact (cos, like, I always have to get this point across at least once a year).
In 2008/09, we had a striker who was on the bench for 21 of the first 23 games, but who then was the second highest scorer in the Championship over the second half of the season.
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If you’re happy with this then fine but for me I feel we lose our identity going down this route. Obviously we take on some loan players but there has to be a balance or it ceases to be your team.
In most games this season we have started with 3/4 loan players.
What’s the problem that’s 7/8 of our own.
Are we bottom of the League? Won 8 D7 L6 2/3 games in hand on everyone except Fleetwood.
Win tomorrow 2 points outside the play offs.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this group is there.
Oh yes i think there might be. Loads of it.
No the problem is some people are only happy when they can have a good old winge. Simple as that. SAD.
You do need to calm down at tad. You can’t come on here and accuse people of not having brains just because their opinion differs from yours.
If someone dared to talk to you in the same manner you’d have a meltdown
They can say whatever they like. I have got a thick skin. Have to listen to you having a go at me don’t i.
Just a couple of questions. Am i not allowed to have an opinion? Am i only allowed to agree with negative posts?
Yes how many times have i said everyone is allowed an opinion? Of course the don’t have to agree with me.
But there are some on here who just are not able or simply as in the most likely case, don’t want to see anything positive about the Club.
You were 3 years ago one of the most positive posters on this forum and went ballistic about the negative posters on this forum.
Now you have joined their ranks. Why? It’s a real mystery to me you have so much anger & bitterness in your posts. Please tell me why this club is not operating the way it should?
Whose model should we follow. Bury, Bolton, Fleetwood ( yes on long term a slippery path imo. )
Or should we try and build something really solid, something our Grandchildren & Great Grandchildren will be able & proud to follow in 10/20/30/50 years time.
Choice is yours, but if you want the former then go and watch another club who have a long term death wish and not one as ours does which has a long term strategy for progress and success.
Again, how does signing our own players rather than loans mean we will end up like Bury or Bolton. You say it all the time. Why would it happen?
Redarmy82 when did i say signing our own players, we would end up like Bury or Bolton.
Please show me just one post which remotely suggests that.
Spending silly money on Transfer Fees, agents fees and Wages then we could.
Of course we need to sign our own players but ones we can afford without putting the club’s future at risk.
Most clubs at League 1 & 2 level have a compliment of loanees from higher up the pyramid.
That is a common sense way of getting better quality in the squad at an affordable cost.
Good for the parent club and good for the clubs taking them on.
It’s a win win situation and this is going to get more & more prevalent as the years go by.
People really do need to look at the big picture. Balancing the books is no easy thing for any football club and i think those of us which i suspect, is just about everyone on this forum, who have no experience of running a Professional Football Club, leave it to those who do know how to run one.
We are very luck to have one of the most successful business men in Yorkshire as our major shareholder and a man with a very successful track record in running a large sporting complex and business record as our Chief Executive.
Also we have a manager who has played or managed at all levels of the English game which will have given him huge experience of the transfer market.
What’s not to like. Nothing’s perfect is it. Never ever has been, It never will be.
But the JR and TB/DW years have given us some unbelievable times we will all never forget.
Stoke, Cardiff, Wembley & Brentford just to mention the big 4
There have been some fantastic Cup nights, including being seconds away & then a penalty shoot out from a major cup semi final appearance. Our best FA cup run since the mid 1950’s
We have a recent history of success ( last 18 seasons ) few other league clubs can compete with outside the premier league.
Seriously what’s not to like.
If you have the same outlook for the future of our great club that i have, then you will know the very best years are yet to come.
But it ain’t going to happen overnight. No boom & bust for DRFC
The word is sustainability, a swear world to some on here it seems. But when the owners get the club into that situation and it’s getting closer season on season then the club can move to its next level regarding a quality playing squad.
We will within the next 5 years I believe have a team in the Championship playing in front of ave gates of 12/13.000 + yes nothing massive by comparison to most but enough to give the club a chance of establishing itself at that level.
Burnley ( that’s what they got in 2nd tier ) Blackpool, Preston, Millwall, Barnsley, Luton ( restricted capacity ) Wigan etc all get at that level.
Please don’t tell me we will never be able to compete at the 2nd tier as i don’t buy it at all.
Difficult, but with the right structures in place and a really good manager who can work with players and improve them then it is very possible.
Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.
But not one single person has suggested signing players for ridiculous transfer fees or ridiculous wages or high agent fees
Only time I ever read these comments it’s in your posts
Excuse me. How many times has the Marquis money been mentioned and why we haven’t spent it.
Also our Cup run money last year. Same with that.
People asking why we haven’t spent money that’s been made is certainly not paramount to people wanting to spend silly money on transfer fees, wages and agents fees.
How on earth do you come to this conclusion??
Especially when gavin has always always always stated that money generated by the football team will be spent on the football team
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dickos why can’t yo let it go.
There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?
Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.
Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.
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A modest point of order.
There is a set budget each year for the manager to spend. We have just agreed contract extensions with Ben Whiteman and Tom Anderson, which almost every single supporter welcomed. It is very highly unlikely that these contracts were agreed at a lower salary than these players are on currently. This extra spend will have to come from the budget that the manager has available to him.
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Look at SOD’s team. How may of them had 2nd tier experience when we went up in 2007/08
Neil Sullivan, Gareth Roberts ( a little with Tranmere) and John Oster and for a very short period we had Gareth Taylor.
We were one striker that first season away from being a top 7/8 team imo. Good managers make good players. SOD was one and DM will be the same. If we keep him and get that continuity we will be back up there with the big boys, but as a stronger club throughout.[
Point of fact (cos, like, I always have to get this point across at least once a year).
In 2008/09, we had a striker who was on the bench for 21 of the first 23 games, but who then was the second highest scorer in the Championship over the second half of the season.
Yes it does make you wonder where we would have finished BST if SOD hadn’t ostracised Heffernan.
Don’t think he had forgiven him for getting sent off at Southend in that play off semi final.
Could be very stubborn when the mood suited.
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A modest point of order.
There is a set budget each year for the manager to spend. We have just agreed contract extensions with Ben Whiteman and Tom Anderson, which almost every single supporter welcomed. It is very highly unlikely that these contracts were agreed at a lower salary than these players are on currently. This extra spend will have to come from the budget that the manager has available to him.
This is true of course, although we did offer marquis a substantial contract in the summer which he obviously didn’t agree to.
I’m not doubting we have money available as I’ve been told we do, but it’s frustrating that we seem reluctant to spend it when everyone is saying it’s there to spend. And at the same time we have the weak squad we do
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dickos why can’t yo let it go.
There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?
Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.
Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.
Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!
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dickos why can’t yo let it go.
There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?
Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.
Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.
Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!
You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.
Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )
The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.
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I do think that most DRFC supporters are now seeing how meticulous DM is.
He knows his own mind, and he's prepared to play the long game when it comes to recruitment. He will only sign who he wants, and no pleading by any of us will change that.
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I do think that most DRFC supporters are now seeing how meticulous DM is.
He knows his own mind, and he's prepared to play the long game when it comes to recruitment. He will only sign who he wants, and no pleading by any of us will change that.
Agreed SM. He is going to stand or fall on his recruitment and he ain’t rushing because he is not being put under pressure to get instant success. He has a board which is going to allow him to build over a few windows.
He is very meticulous as you say and astute.
He will be a manager we will look back on in years to come with great affection imo.
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Why do poster have say go and watch another team to emphasise their point of view. We are all Doncaster Rovers supporters but we are not all Lemmings who follow blindly. There different point of views which have to be accepted.
Lemmings? Seriously Steve is that what you see in us?
I would suggest that what we are is people with a sense of perspective. We can see the issues that you bleat about but we're more considered in our responses and accept that the world isn't perfect.
This club is in a good place, better than it's ever been. You should reflect on that sometimes.
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dickos why can’t yo let it go.
There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?
Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.
Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.
Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!
You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.
Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )
The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.
I’m not sure signing someone like clarke is any more short term than signing players on loan for a few months
Is it?
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dickos why can’t yo let it go.
There were many suggesting we sign Clarke-Harris. How much do you think he would cost us.
Also bring in Leon Clark on loan. What would his wages be. Think you were one of those were you not?
Both are just 2 examples of people wanting us to spend huge and unrealistic sums of money.
But don’t let me stop you having the last say.
Over and out on this one. Another argument brewing. Not going there OK.
Campsall, I’m pretty sure Leon Clarke was a genuine target at some point in the summer, so you may wish to take your aggravation at so called unrealistic expectations up with the club where that one is concerned!
You know that for a fact Jonathan?
He may well have been a target but DM obviously didn’t want to blow some of the budget on what would have been a short term signing.
So yes it looks as though he turned out to be an unrealistic target.
He is well past his best imo & is over 30 yrs of age and we need to look further ahead.
Obviously DM did not want to take that gamble with the clubs money and preferred to take a good look at the squad this season and bring in loan strikers Ennis & Sterling from Wolves.
Sounds very sensible to me. ( we didn’t know they would both get injuries and that was just unfortunate )
The summer coming will be the big recruitment window.
I’m not sure signing someone like clarke is any more short term than signing players on loan for a few months
Is it?
Yes it is imo. Depending what the wages are of course.
How much do you think we are paying Ennis. Well I can take a pretty accurate guess it would probably be about 30/35% of what we would have had to pay for Clarke.
I don’t know of course and am making assumptions as i have no facts.
It was obvious DM didn’t think it was worth the gamble & thats assuming he inquired in the first place and that’s all speculation as well.
So i prefer in dealing with facts and the fact is DM went down the route he did for a very good reason.
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I don’t think that’s obvious at all, I was more under the impression clarke didn’t want to come not Moore didn’t want him.
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Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.
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There’s a piece in the DFP website just gone up saying the club is working hard on new signings..
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Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.
Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.
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Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.
Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.
Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.
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Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.
Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.
Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.
You know that for a fact, Campsall? 😉
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Didn’t Wilder indicate that he wasn’t happy that Clark decided to stay on his big contract and not play, rather than move elsewhere.
Considering that then yes, it probably was Clark’s decision not to come to us.
Wilder was scathing back in September. I heard him on Radio Sheffield. He said something about there being players who know they are not part of his plans and who are prepared to sit things out and draw a wage. He wasn't a happy bunny about it.
Heard that interview. He wasn’t happy and was a definite dig at Clarke.
You know that for a fact, Campsall? 😉
No i don’t but it was fairly obvious who he was referring to.