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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: ChrisBx on January 06, 2020, 11:47:40 pm
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With the six candidates above appearing to make up the list of candidates to be next Labour leader, who do you want to win the nomination?
Your vote can be changed if you wish.
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Still hoping Dan Jarvis will enter....
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Still hoping Dan Jarvis will enter....
Not a hope, I dont think
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
Not so sure - they seem like a fairly diverse bunch. I think Jess Phillips would be great.
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
What changes would those be?
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
Not so sure - they seem like a fairly diverse bunch. I think Jess Phillips would be great.
I like Jess but I think she's one for the future, but I believe her candidacy this time is more about her getting into the next Shadow Cabinet than any realistic chance of becoming leader.
I think she really needs to show what she can do with a portfolio, even if it's just a Shadow one, before she can have any realistic hopes of getting the leadership.
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
What changes would those be?
To bring them more central and to move away from Momentum's policies...
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Being realistic Labour face a tough choice. Be pragmatic, come back towards the centre and give themselves a chance of being a party if government again and able to change lives OR be principled, stick to the same course Corbyn has put them on and forever be a glorified protest movement
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Clive Lewis was impressive tonight in fending off the rottweiler (Andrew Neil)
Spoke a lot of sense.
(However I will vote for Lisa Nandy in the election)
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https://www.facebook.com/189845211183530/posts/1471916139643091/
Well that confirms it....None of the 6 named will make the changes needed to make Labour a seriously vote able option again....
What changes would those be?
To bring them more central and to move away from Momentum's policies...
But that is just a meaningless phrase - so what 'central and a move away from Momentum policies' changes would those be?
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The betting on these leaderships contests is notoriously misleading the male "Starker" (no relation to Koo Stark !!!!) is allegedly past the post but my money (real money) is on the "Wigan Pier" Lady and I expect to collect
Corbyn was the 33/1 rag outsider you may recall ..... at least it isn't £3 a vote anymore.
John Major was 40/1
"Stalker" has the "backing" of Unison
Lisa could get GMB
Rebecca could get Unite
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So tired of it , but we must understand Labour leaders, especially those on the left,
will be subject to personal abuse and slander in the overwhelming right wing press.
We need to have a plan on how to deal with this inevitability or have the Corbyn situation
all over again
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The one with the biggest tits.
Keir Starmer it is, then.
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Anyone that supported johnson being the leader of the worlds 6th largest economy doesn't deserve a say-in anything :)
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I'm going for sausage roll legs purely for her superhuman memory,recalling how her dad used to come home eorrying about Salford Docks were going to close... When she was 9 months old!
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You've got sausage roll legs sprot, better get them looked at :)
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You've got sausage roll legs sprot, better get them looked at :)
Ner ner ner ner ner.
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''Ner ner ner ner ner.''
Are you OK hound? genuine enquiry
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Keir Starmer is obviously the mp's choice but that's pretty irrelevant when the vote goes to the membership and those Momentum idiots..So Bailey it will be...
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''Ner ner ner ner ner.''
Are you OK hound? genuine enquiry
Yes Sydney, remarkable for my age actually.
I was just commenting on your playground sticks and stones post.
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It was a bit of humour in response to sprots intentional wind-up, lighten up, didn't you see the smiley? :)
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Wind people up MOi ??? 😂
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It was a bit of humour in response to sprots intentional wind-up, lighten up, didn't you see the smiley? :)
You put one of those at the end of almost all your posts and most of them don’t even warrant a smiley, so no different to usual I suppose.
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Bit harsh hound, I dont always agree with Sydney but easy to tell when hes been serious and vice versa
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Lisa Nandy was excellent on the Andrew Neil show tonight. The best politicians interview I’ve seen for a long while. According to his twitter feed even AN himself was complimentary. I knew little about her but she’s now right up there in the mix after that interview. If you like you’re politicians to be straight talking, clear and waffle free then you’ll be impressed with her.
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I've been impressed with Nandy. I don't agree with some of her analysis but she argues it very well.
I was also impressed with Lewis's analysis of the scale of the problem facing Labour. Both of them have come across very well in hard interviews too. Well prepared, tough and passionate about what they believe in.
I've not seen their level of reflection and intellectual application to the challenge facing Labour from any of the other candidates. It's a poor outcome that Lewis had to withdraw to help Thornberry over the line. I've seen nothing from her that remotely matches Lewis's level of analysis.
I expect both Nandy and Lewis to have high positions in the Shadow Cabinet, whoever wins as Leader.
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Billy, the front bench of the Labour party might as well be selling ice cream on the front at Blackpool for the next ten years as banging their head against a brick wall.
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I watched that interview with Nandy and would agree that she was the best person so far.The next Labour leader is going to have to relate with the people.They cant go down the same road..
it's the system in place that will hurt Labour from this point onwards.Whilst their has been rumblings that useless fool Len at Unite might back her,i'm sure he hill go with Bailey in the end,but then again i'm not sure how much pull he has with his own members anymore..
The bottom line is the membership/momentum will decide not the mp's and that rules Nandy out..Starmer is favourite but i suspect as it gets closer to vote time JM and JC will push Bailey.Although she has been far from impressive in her interviews so far..
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Selby. Excellent, thoughtful contribution. You're getting better.
WingCo. The power that McCluskey personally wields over the Labour leadership is the biggest democratic outrage in the country.
He was elected as head of Unite by the votes of just over 5% of Unite members (he won 45% of the votes cast, in a leadership election in which just 12% of Unite members bothered to vote).
That puts him in a position where he can bend the arm of any Labour leader, because he controls funding that Unite gives to Labour.
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McCluskey is part of the whole rotten Corbyn cabal. As, unfortunately, is Long-Bailey.
Labour needs to get rid.
McCluskey is also utterly useless as a union leader. Anyone who has had the misfortune to rely on Unite for help at any stage - as I have - will have experienced some of the most inept support possible. Disorganised, inexperienced, hapless. So bad that it was easier for me to leave my job.
People slag off Gordon Taylor - and he deserves it - but McCluskey's as bad for using Unite and its members' contributions to indulge his own personal vanity projects.
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And why didn't she comment about anti-semetism ......... I was too busy!
It just gets better
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And why didn't she comment about anti-semetism ......... I was too busy!
It just gets better
Do you have a link to that comment please Raven?
Earlier this months she said she had argued for a stronger line on tackling anti-semitism, speeding up processes and communicating with the Jewish community.
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rebecca-long-bailey-we-werent-strong-enough-on-antisemitism/
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rebecca-long-bailey-we-werent-strong-enough-on-antisemitism/
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It was on an interview on tellybox but heres's a link to Mirror interview
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.twitter.com/jbickertonuk/status/1220052391153864709&ved=2ahUKEwjCur7Jr5znAhWzkFwKHa6UDFMQjjgwAXoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3Owsn9XN6ItLhgjoDWxUK8
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Sorry raven but it says that page from the Director of Oppose Corbynism doesn't exist
If this is the interview by Pippa Crerar you are referring to https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labours-rebecca-long-bailey-says-21330820
the quote appears to referring an accusation that she didn't speak out on difficult issues because she was shy
She laughs that off. “I’m not shy, I was too busy working. I was locked in a room for four years developing a lot of the policies that were in the manifesto, rather than going around wining and dining.”
It is a perfectly legitimate question to ask why RLB didn't speak out more on anti-semitism and what she would do about it if she were to become leader - but to intimate she said something she didn't say, hmmm
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We see things differently then, this is the quote you couldn't locate
Rebecca Long-Bailey tells The Mirror she didn't speak out over Labour anti-Semitism because "I was too busy working" which is honestly even more pathetic than I was expecting her excuse to be. https://t.co/gc78naOuEu
As to intimating something she didn't say
Her answer to Pippa Crerar included the words I was too busy working did it not? which to me and others was in response to as to why she made no comment on the difficult questions including Anti Semetism, nothing to do with denying shyness
All down to your interpretation as opposed to others I suppose mmmmm!
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Going to vote Starmer ,no problem,
not sure about who to vote for Deputy though
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Foxbat, wait to vote in ten years time, there might just might mind you, be a reason to vote by then.
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We see things differently then, this is the quote you couldn't locate
Rebecca Long-Bailey tells The Mirror she didn't speak out over Labour anti-Semitism because "I was too busy working" which is honestly even more pathetic than I was expecting her excuse to be. https://t.co/gc78naOuEu
As to intimating something she didn't say
Her answer to Pippa Crerar included the words I was too busy working did it not? which to me and others was in response to as to why she made no comment on the difficult questions including Anti Semetism, nothing to do with denying shyness
All down to your interpretation as opposed to others I suppose mmmmm!
No it is not my interpretation - it is what is written in the article. You have selectively chosen the quotes that suit you to claim RLB did not speak out on anti-semitism because she was too busy working.
This is the actual quote. It is clear the question to her is are you too shy to speak about difficult issues' NOT 'why did you not speak about anti-semitism'.
Other critics claim she rarely spoke out on difficult issues - from anti-Semitism to Brexit - during her years in shadow cabinet. Some, including her supporters, have blamed it on shyness.
She laughs that off. “I’m not shy, I was too busy working. I was locked in a room for four years developing a lot of the policies that were in the manifesto, rather than going around wining and dining.”
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labours-rebecca-long-bailey-says-21330820
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For some reason my reply is not showing, however I stand by my opinion. Is anti semetism not included in difficult issues. Is she shy no she's not she says but you are spinning the next part to suit your own interpretation for me she denies shyness then follows it up with a reason as to why she failed to comment on difficult issues I was working
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I am not spinning any part raven - that is copied directly from the Daily Mirror article. It is what the journalist who asked her the question wrote.
It is you who is doing the spinning. Any issue you want to think is difficult can be covered by difficult issues: Heathrow expansion, open cast coal mines, Trident, Syria, Palestine, Iran, Northern Rail, free broadband, cycle routes in Manchester not only anti-semitism - she was not asked about the issues, - she was asked if she did not speak out because she was too shy.
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Followed by ............
Lets just agree to disagree?
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Would a shy person apply for the job of leader of the labour party that could morph into leader of the country? methinks not.