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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on January 16, 2020, 07:23:19 pm
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
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Gavin Baldwin’s comments at the start of the season with regards signing a striker who may get an injury set alarm bells ringing for me.
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Baldwin doesn't say much.
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Nobody from the Board says much!
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Why should they?
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Why should they?
Because they are taking the pish by taking best supporters club awards when they don’t even speak to anyone officially . They serve up S*** food and service via Counterpoint and ignore pleas for a any fans representation on the board because they want to keep it all under raps to avoid answering Qs .
DRFC are on their third manager in 2 years . Mangers recently have left the club because of its lack of ambition to lift the club into a competing club . The reliance now on loans demonstrates its ultra cautious approach to its day to day running . A recent tax bill paid late says that they are running on the fumes of last season cup run and now with money from transfers being held back to build a Rovers squad wholly own by the club . Let’s face it are watching Wolves, QPR , Arsenal etc that good for a loan player but not if you’re the player on bench it makes you feel that putting on the shirt is only ceremonial .
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Well spoken 1969, something is not right big time, yet dwindling gates, no money for signings, no communication from the board and an exodus of players and still people say all’s well???
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The tax bill situation has been explained on here repeatedly.. that you bring it up to misrepresent something kind of negates your arguments..
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Comedy gold!
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Well spoken 1969, something is not right big time, yet dwindling gates, no money for signings, no communication from the board and an exodus of players and still people say all’s well???
The board are doing what business men do by trying the utmost not over spend . I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to be in a position where you are developing a football club PART TIME and running your own business interests along side . As a fan over 50 years I’m not complaining at what is on offer but sceptical as to where it says it wants to be. If we had gained promotion last season would they have spent to stay up or stayed with what had got them there. We will never know that answer , but we certainly now what happened next with players leaving in the hordes and the frustration we are all feeling about players not coming in and who are definitely needed to keep the obvious progress going . Last season a momentum was allowed to grow , but now it’s like watching race car with its hand brake on .
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Why should they?
Because they are taking the pish by taking best supporters club awards when they don’t even speak to anyone officially . They serve up S*** food and service via Counterpoint and ignore pleas for a any fans representation on the board because they want to keep it all under raps to avoid answering Qs .
DRFC are on their third manager in 2 years . Mangers recently have left the club because of its lack of ambition to lift the club into a competing club . The reliance now on loans demonstrates its ultra cautious approach to its day to day running . A recent tax bill paid late says that they are running on the fumes of last season cup run and now with money from transfers being held back to build a Rovers squad wholly own by the club . Let’s face it are watching Wolves, QPR , Arsenal etc that good for a loan player but not if you’re the player on bench it makes you feel that putting on the shirt is only ceremonial .
Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong again. This is all claptrap.
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DRFC are on their third manager in 2 years . Mangers recently have left the club because of its lack of ambition to lift the club into a competing club .
Absolute grade A b*llocks.
Whatever the reason Ferguson left (and I don't for one second believe it's because he wasn't being financially supported) we finished in the play offs the following season. And we were the length of Marquis's big toe or Marosi's stud from being in the play-off final. So we clearly and unquestionably were a "competing club" the season after he left.
McCann was head hunted by a club in a higher division. And, 7 months after he left us in a shambles, we are in 5th place in the PPG table.
So we are clearly and unquestionably a "competing club" after McCann left us.
I don't know what the cause is of your gripe with the Board, but it doesn't half result in you posting so daft shite in here.
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Well spoken 1969, something is not right big time, yet dwindling gates, no money for signings, no communication from the board and an exodus of players and still people say all’s well???
The board are doing what business men do by trying the utmost not over spend . I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to be in a position where you are developing a football club PART TIME and running your own business interests along side . As a fan over 50 years I’m not complaining at what is on offer but sceptical as to where it says it wants to be. If we had gained promotion last season would they have spent to stay up or stayed with what had got them there. We will never know that answer , but we certainly now what happened next with players leaving in the hordes and the frustration we are all feeling about players not coming in and who are definitely needed to keep the obvious progress going . Last season a momentum was allowed to grow , but now it’s like watching race car with its hand brake on .
Part time?? Who's still running a business?
Wrong again.
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
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Maybe not much call for mangers now the nativities are over
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
DRFC are shopping in the basement of the lower leagues . We boast about selling our best player for decent fee and to a promotion rival to boot , yet we don’t know player or club who we’ve been chasing as his replacement. In this a multi social media time , there hasn’t been a denial or an out right rejection of an offer made by DRFC which says that we are asking but not offering anything to anyone , after all if a club is to sell it needs an offer to consider first and there is little evidence of that .
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
DRFC are shopping in the basement of the lower leagues . We boast about selling our best player for decent fee and to a promotion rival to boot , yet we don’t know player or club who we’ve been chasing as his replacement. In this a multi social media time , there hasn’t been a denial or an out right rejection of an offer made by DRFC.
I have no idea what that means.
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I share the general concern about the lack of players coming in but for me that's as far as it goes.
My main concern this season was to avoid relegation so to be in the position we are now in I am happy. When BIG D came in we were in big trouble and look where we are now.
My advice is don't panic and get off the back of BIG D and the board it will be ok in the end, trust me!
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WTF are you wittering on about - who has boasted about selling Marquis etc
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I know nothing as they say but I believe Darren Moore is his own man doing things his way .
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Why should they?
Because they are taking the pish by taking best supporters club awards when they don’t even speak to anyone officially . They serve up S*** food and service via Counterpoint and ignore pleas for a any fans representation on the board because they want to keep it all under raps to avoid answering Qs .
DRFC are on their third manager in 2 years . Mangers recently have left the club because of its lack of ambition to lift the club into a competing club . The reliance now on loans demonstrates its ultra cautious approach to its day to day running . A recent tax bill paid late says that they are running on the fumes of last season cup run and now with money from transfers being held back to build a Rovers squad wholly own by the club . Let’s face it are watching Wolves, QPR , Arsenal etc that good for a loan player but not if you’re the player on bench it makes you feel that putting on the shirt is only ceremonial .
Agreed, we are actually not the most demanding of fans compared to other clubs so even just someone explaining the strategy, what's happening with the 16 or so players out of contract etc. It's. All very amateurish and embarrassing
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What exactly is embarrassing.?
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
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What exactly is embarrassing.?
That we are still having these sorts. Of. Debates 7 months after DM started.
That we have 16 players out of contract after having something like 14.last year. Where is the long term planning? The sustainable planning? The board have been in long enough to get on with things.
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Nobody from the Board says much!
most of the board are out of the country at minute
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I think there is a difference between “frustrating” and “embarrassing”..
Is our current form, league position, one of the best defences in the division, etc embarrasing.?
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Nobody from the Board says much!
most of the board are out of the country at minute
Are they? At least two of them are in the country.
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
That is not what he's saying publically though is it? If we are trying to get them over the line it's that hes identified them and negotiations have started surely.
If DM had simply said that at the beginning, yes we'd most likely all be scratching our heads but leave it at that and accept it to some degree.
What does that statement mean though? Is it about their character and current ability? Is it about developing them? Or is it to fit what little money he has?
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
That is not what he's saying publically though is it? If we are trying to get them over the line it's that hes identified them and negotiations have started surely.
If DM had simply said that at the beginning, yes we'd most likely all be scratching our heads but leave it at that and accept it to some degree.
What does that statement mean though? Is it about their character and current ability? Is it about developing them? Or is it to fit what little money he has?
For the thirtieth time today its not money.
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So, what is it, then?
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I think there is a difference between “frustrating” and “embarrassing”..
Is our current form, league position, one of the best defences in the division, etc embarrasing.?
Nope but that is primarily down to DM
, the backroom staff and the players.
He has players out of the money from. JM to get the loan players here as I understand it.
How do you assess the lack of long term planning with players and managers then against the supposed long term strategy? Are you saying its a resounding success?esp if we loose 16 players in the summer?
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
That is not what he's saying publically though is it? If we are trying to get them over the line it's that hes identified them and negotiations have started surely.
If DM had simply said that at the beginning, yes we'd most likely all be scratching our heads but leave it at that and accept it to some degree.
What does that statement mean though? Is it about their character and current ability? Is it about developing them? Or is it to fit what little money he has?
For the thirtieth time today its not money.
It IS it always is , you to to see it . I’ll let you fill in the gap .
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Which summer ?
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
That is not what he's saying publically though is it? If we are trying to get them over the line it's that hes identified them and negotiations have started surely.
If DM had simply said that at the beginning, yes we'd most likely all be scratching our heads but leave it at that and accept it to some degree.
What does that statement mean though? Is it about their character and current ability? Is it about developing them? Or is it to fit what little money he has?
For the thirtieth time today its not money.
What is it then as your statement contradicts everything DM has been saying about us being close.
I want to belive you and that your not just feeding a line to stop the probing but the contradiction is doing my head it's one thing or another we are either waiting for the right player or we are trying to get it over the line.
It's be great if you can tell me what that type of player is as well. I'm not holding out much hope on that though
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How much DID we get for JM? Anyone ?
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
That is not what he's saying publically though is it? If we are trying to get them over the line it's that hes identified them and negotiations have started surely.
If DM had simply said that at the beginning, yes we'd most likely all be scratching our heads but leave it at that and accept it to some degree.
What does that statement mean though? Is it about their character and current ability? Is it about developing them? Or is it to fit what little money he has?
For the thirtieth time today its not money.
What is it then as your statement contradicts everything DM has been saying about us being close.
I want to belive you and that your not just feeding a line to stop the probing but the contradiction is doing my head it's one thing or another we are either waiting for the right player or we are trying to get it over the line.
It's be great if you can tell me what that type of player is as well. I'm not holding out much hope on that though
But I've already told you at least 3 times. That IS the reason.
He'll be filling the gaps that we have in our team, the gaps that we can all see.
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You’re wasting your time Martin
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
Branton, the tone of your post suggests that you think finance is the root cause of this, and because of that you believe the board are at fault.
This is NOT a finance issue, this is purely DM wanting to bide his time and appoint players who are on his Plan A list, nothing more than that.
He has clearly identified the players. If it's not a finance issue why can he not get them over the line?
That says to me its a finance issue
But it's not. He's biding his time on bringing in the players he sees as the 'right' ones for this club.
But they’re already identified!
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I think there is a difference between “frustrating” and “embarrassing”..
Is our current form, league position, one of the best defences in the division, etc embarrasing.?
Nope but that is primarily down to DM
, the backroom staff and the players.
He has players out of the money from. JM to get the loan players here as I understand it.
How do you assess the lack of long term planning with players and managers then against the supposed long term strategy? Are you saying its a resounding success?esp if we loose 16 players in the summer?
Both the last two managers have walked out on the club.. that’s what’s messed up any long term strategy, in my opinion of course..
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I think there is a difference between “frustrating” and “embarrassing”..
Is our current form, league position, one of the best defences in the division, etc embarrasing.?
Nope but that is primarily down to DM
, the backroom staff and the players.
He has players out of the money from. JM to get the loan players here as I understand it.
How do you assess the lack of long term planning with players and managers then against the supposed long term strategy? Are you saying its a resounding success?esp if we loose 16 players in the summer?
Both the last two managers have walked out on the club.. that’s what’s messed up any long term strategy, in my opinion of course..
With now an even more depleted squad DM has driven a horse and cart through the argument that players are coming in when it’s obvious to entire supporters that it’s waiting for a prayer to answered when no one believes in the Sacrament . In other words no one knows what the f*** is going one NO ONE not even SM for all his drivel .
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Just out of interest,who has the final say on transfers the ceo or chairman?
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I’m guessing that Darren’s plan A is waiting to fall into place by other clubs doing their business like getting Adam Idah in once Norwich get Pukki back and add new signings then I would think we get him
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
Appreciate the time you’re taking to respond to these posts today SM. My biggest concern is that plan A fails and there’s no time to push through plan B, meaning we go to plan Z in February with Thomas & Bingham equivalents. Hopefully it won’t come to this, though.
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Just out of interest,who has the final say on transfers the ceo or chairman?
The Bank manager !
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
Appreciate the time you’re taking to respond to these posts today SM. My biggest concern is that plan A fails and there’s no time to push through plan B, meaning we go to plan Z in February with Thomas & Bingham equivalents. Hopefully it won’t come to this, though.
That won't happen, there some good options for plan B. It won't be left to the final few days, nobody will take that chance.
And thanks for the appreciation. I'm not here looking for arguments, but having spoken to the club in some detail I thought it only fair to offer the reason why things are taking their time.
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I think it's a spot on opening post and i hope DM doesn't get fed up and walk like Fergie and McCann.. I have never known a time when we have found recruiting the 'right's players to be such a problem or such hard work.. and we've signed some quality players in the last 15 years or so! not such a difficulty for a long time anyhow.. and the opening post re Paul Dobson is a classic.. remember it well and how disappointing it was to see him leave to bloody Scarborough of all teams..
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He’s the manager FFS, He decides whether to take those risks.
Has he earned the right to do it his way?
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I dread to think what this forum would be like right now if we WEREN'T the fifth best side in the division.
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Are we looking at permanent transfers then silent majority
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I dread to think what this forum would be like right now if we WEREN'T the fifth best side in the division.
Fifth ? Is that because your counting your teeth and not your fingers !!
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He’s taking points per game, not the actual table..
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I dread to think what this forum would be like right now if we WEREN'T the fifth best side in the division.
Fifth ? Is that because your counting your teeth and not your fingers !!
In fairness to BST, he's quoting from the PPG form league.
Edit. You beat me to it IDM.
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Are we looking at permanents or loans silent majority?
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
I remember speaking to Paul Dobson at the time about this. To say he was hugely pissed off is a serious understatement!
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I dread to think what this forum would be like right now if we WEREN'T the fifth best side in the division.
I take it you've not had a look at the Facebook group?
This is mild in comparison. Handbags are airborne as we speak on there.
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I’m wholly supportive of the board and it’s safety first approach to expenditure and not to jeopardise the club and it’s future sustainability - however that said, having acquired DM as our manager we surely don’t want another summer of upheaval by losing Big Darren to the lure of another club who have finances to substantially back him.
Darren has publicly acknowledged himself we’ve missed out on January targets & has said he’s not happy to leave this window without additions to the squad.
I well remember boards from the 80’s with zero ambition like when we signed Paul Dobson from Torquay he had a clause in his contract when he hit 15 goals we were obliged to send Torquay another £5k - he got up to 14 goals in no time and spent the rest of his time with us sat in the main stand at Belle Vue, comparisons from then to now is ridiculous, however if the manager doesn’t get backed I’m afraid we may experience dejavu
So............ what's your question for the board...?
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Red or brown. ?
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Well £4m bought Sunderland a load of success with Will Grigg didn't it? Just shows you the hyped up figures you pay in January, and then you are stuck with that player and their wages for 2 or more seasons.
It's much more complicated than spending loads of cash. Also if we push the boat out and splash the cash on inflated prices, how does that make others feel in the squad who have just signed or about to sign contracts on lower wages?? It's a balance you don't want to get one in that pisses others off or causes them not to re-sign.
If this means we have to wait until the summer to sign the right players, then so be it, give the youngsters ago and yes we may finish mid table but DM will get his players in the summer.
Don't forget by the time DM came in this season all the good buys had gone, we were looking at the players remaining after clubs had got in first. This was not DRFC or DM's fault.
DM additions have been great so far in difficult circumstances - trust him to do the right thing.
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Well £4m bought Sunderland a load of success with Will Grigg didn't it? Just shows you the hyped up figures you pay in January, and then you are stuck with that player and their wages for 2 or more seasons.
It's much more complicated than spending loads of cash. Also if we push the boat out and splash the cash on inflated prices, how does that make others feel in the squad who have just signed or about to sign contracts on lower wages?? It's a balance you don't want to get one in that pisses others off or causes them not to re-sign.
If this means we have to wait until the summer to sign the right players, then so be it, give the youngsters ago and yes we may finish mid table but DM will get his players in the summer.
Don't forget by the time DM came in this season all the good buys had gone, we were looking at the players remaining after clubs had got in first. This was not DRFC or DM's fault.
DM additions have been great so far in difficult circumstances - trust him to do the right thing.
Great common sense post Donny Viking. Shame some on hear can’t see the reality of the situation.
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Silent majority so if he has identified the player he wants who is it up to to get that deal over the line?.
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I can understand the lack of people not coming in at the beginning of the season as DMhad little time to get anyone, but this window there is no excuse, it could be he it too picky
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Of course he is being picky. I wouldn’t expect anything less..
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Nobody is suggesting we spend silly money people keep using this argument but nobody whatsoever is suggesting that.
Moore has got a list of players, ones he’s been told to go and get yet he’s not able to get them signed.
This is an obvious problem that won’t suddenly disappear in the summer
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Perhaps, and it’s just a thought, the “obvious problem” isn’t that obvious after all.?
For sure, there are obstacles to signing players otherwise we would have brought more in. But if the reason was so obvious, then identifying the issue and resolving it should in theory be straightforward..
Therefore perhaps there is no one individual “obvious problem”..
I will qualify his by adding that I do believe we should have added a couple more in the summer as well as in this window..
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I can understand the lack of people not coming in at the beginning of the season as DMhad little time to get anyone, but this window there is no excuse, it could be he it too picky
As I have said elsewhere, all managers go out to try and sign the right players.
None go out and just get any player.
Why would they.
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I didn’t say the reason was obvious just that the actual problem is now an obvious issue.
I don’t know the reason why it seems to be a problem
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Obviously.. :facepalm:
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
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It's unlikely to be one thing and one simple solution. Any negotiations are two way and the playing of give and take. Sometimes negotiations have to be put on hold until either party makes their next move. In many instances it's a waiting game.
As suggested before, length of contract is often a key requirement, so if we offer a player 2 years, his agent may think he can get 3 from another club. Whilst our offer remains on the table the agent explores other avenues.
There could be any number of things an agents want for their players like bonuses, appearances, housing expenses, all sorts of clauses.
It's the same thing with contract renewals. Why has Anderson and Whiteman signed but Sadlier hasn't?
Only time will tell whether the club is playing the game well or otherwise but if you only have x amount to bet with, not wanting to break your wage structure then there's got to be limits.
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
You keep saying there is a problem. So tell us what it is. You can’t because you don’t know there is a problem if you are honest with yourself.
DM is obviously choosy as to who he wants and does not wish to waste money on bringing in just anyone for the sake of adding to the squad.
He is going to bide his time as he is obviously being allowed to so that be can eventually bring in the players who are going to be of long term benefit to the team.
That’s the way i see it anyway, you obviously disagree.
DM might even get us promoted with our current squad. We will need some considerable luck with injuries but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Personally after a Summer of recruitment we will be a very strong outfit next season in this league and will be better prepared for the Championship the year after.
Having said that there is never a bad time to get promoted so if there is a chance this season we have to go for it 100%.
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Campsall, I think the problem is that we as a club are finding the recruitment of players to be a struggle. I think that point has been made multiple times on here in the last weeks and months. Nobody knows what the root cause of that is, but that’s a separate issue. We need players and we are not getting them in. If you don’t recognise that as a problem, maybe you have a problem.
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
You keep saying there is a problem. So tell us what it is. You can’t because you don’t know there is a problem if you are honest with yourself.
DM is obviously choosy as to who he wants and does not wish to waste money on bringing in just anyone for the sake of adding to the squad.
He is going to bide his time as he is obviously being allowed to so that be can eventually bring in the players who are going to be of long term benefit to the team.
That’s the way i see it anyway, you obviously disagree.
DM might even get us promoted with our current squad. We will need some considerable luck with injuries but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Personally after a Summer of recruitment we will be a very strong outfit next season in this league and will be better prepared for the Championship the year after.
Having said that there is never a bad time to get promoted so if there is a chance this season we have to go for it 100%.
I’m sorry campsall but there’s an obvious problem.
We simply aren’t able to sign players and haven’t done since the end of last season.
The mccann scenario didn’t help of course but other clubs have had manager changes and have recruited very well.
Our squad was very weak entering the January window and so far all we’ve been able to do is make it weaker.
Which beggars belief
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
You keep saying there is a problem. So tell us what it is. You can’t because you don’t know there is a problem if you are honest with yourself.
DM is obviously choosy as to who he wants and does not wish to waste money on bringing in just anyone for the sake of adding to the squad.
He is going to bide his time as he is obviously being allowed to so that be can eventually bring in the players who are going to be of long term benefit to the team.
That’s the way i see it anyway, you obviously disagree.
DM might even get us promoted with our current squad. We will need some considerable luck with injuries but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Personally after a Summer of recruitment we will be a very strong outfit next season in this league and will be better prepared for the Championship the year after.
Having said that there is never a bad time to get promoted so if there is a chance this season we have to go for it 100%.
Paul, there IS a good chance of promotion this year, a very good chance as you know.
The best way to enhance that is to get the right players in before the end of January.
Who are the right players, surely all managers try to get the right players.
Why would they do any different.
Dickos has said that there obviously is a problem getting the so called right players but he has also said that obviously he doesn’t know what the problem is.
I don’t know why you challenged him on that.
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Campsall, I think the problem is that we as a club are finding the recruitment of players to be a struggle. I think that point has been made multiple times on here in the last weeks and months. Nobody knows what the root cause of that is, but that’s a separate issue. We need players and we are not getting them in. If you don’t recognise that as a problem, maybe you have a problem.
Jonathan DM has publicly said “it is difficult to get signings done in January as clubs are reluctant to let players leave”
Yes he could make signings i am sure, but he is obviously only interested in getting the ones he wants and if they aren’t available until the summer then we will have to wait won’t we.
Surely that is not too difficult to understand is it. So don’t tell me i have a problem Jonathan as it maybe you who has the problem.
I don’t wish to fall out with you as you are obviously one of the most sensible and articulate posters on this forum and i enjoy reading your thoughts on the club & agree with most of what you write.
:thumbsup: :)
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
You keep saying there is a problem. So tell us what it is. You can’t because you don’t know there is a problem if you are honest with yourself.
DM is obviously choosy as to who he wants and does not wish to waste money on bringing in just anyone for the sake of adding to the squad.
He is going to bide his time as he is obviously being allowed to so that be can eventually bring in the players who are going to be of long term benefit to the team.
That’s the way i see it anyway, you obviously disagree.
DM might even get us promoted with our current squad. We will need some considerable luck with injuries but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Personally after a Summer of recruitment we will be a very strong outfit next season in this league and will be better prepared for the Championship the year after.
Having said that there is never a bad time to get promoted so if there is a chance this season we have to go for it 100%.
Paul, there IS a good chance of promotion this year, a very good chance as you know.
The best way to enhance that is to get the right players in before the end of January.
Who are the right players, surely all managers try to get the right players.
Why would they do any different.
Dickos has said that there obviously is a problem getting the so called right players but he has also said that obviously he doesn’t know what the problem is.
I don’t know why you challenged him on that.
See my above post in reply to Jonathan, hound.
That is what the problem is. To me it’s obvious. DM has said what the problem is. He couldnt have made it any clearer.
He is choosy and will not bring in anyone who is not the right fit. Simple as that. We may have to wait until they are out of contract in the summer. If we have to wait, we will have to wait.
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Campsall, I think the problem is that we as a club are finding the recruitment of players to be a struggle. I think that point has been made multiple times on here in the last weeks and months. Nobody knows what the root cause of that is, but that’s a separate issue. We need players and we are not getting them in. If you don’t recognise that as a problem, maybe you have a problem.
Jonathan DM has publicly said “it is difficult to get signings done in January as clubs are reluctant to let players leave”
Yes he could make signings i am sure, but he is obviously only interested in getting the ones he wants and if they aren’t available until the summer then we will have to wait won’t we.
Surely that is not too difficult to understand is it. So don’t tell me i have a problem Jonathan as it maybe you who has the problem.
I don’t wish to fall out with you as you are obviously one of the most sensible and articulate posters on this forum and i enjoy reading your thoughts on the club & agree with most of what you right.
:thumbsup: :)
Absolutely no fall out. I was merely pointing out that the problems we’re having in recruitment are self evident, the reasons not so. It would be daft to have any kind of argument on the matter and I wasn’t actually suggesting you have a problem yourself, as I’m sure that you actually see we’ve had a problem getting players in.
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Well it’s not to some people.
People are saying it’s all fine and wait until the summer, they won’t acknowledge there is a problem
You keep saying there is a problem. So tell us what it is. You can’t because you don’t know there is a problem if you are honest with yourself.
DM is obviously choosy as to who he wants and does not wish to waste money on bringing in just anyone for the sake of adding to the squad.
He is going to bide his time as he is obviously being allowed to so that be can eventually bring in the players who are going to be of long term benefit to the team.
That’s the way i see it anyway, you obviously disagree.
DM might even get us promoted with our current squad. We will need some considerable luck with injuries but it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Personally after a Summer of recruitment we will be a very strong outfit next season in this league and will be better prepared for the Championship the year after.
Having said that there is never a bad time to get promoted so if there is a chance this season we have to go for it 100%.
Paul, there IS a good chance of promotion this year, a very good chance as you know.
The best way to enhance that is to get the right players in before the end of January.
Who are the right players, surely all managers try to get the right players.
Why would they do any different.
Dickos has said that there obviously is a problem getting the so called right players but he has also said that obviously he doesn’t know what the problem is.
I don’t know why you challenged him on that.
See my above post in reply to Jonathan, hound.
That is what the problem is. To me it’s obvious. DM has said what the problem is. He couldnt have made it any clearer.
He is choosy and will not bring in anyone who is not the right fit. Simple as that. We may have to wait until they are out of contract in the summer. If we have to wait, we will have to wait.
But Paul, you say that to you the problem is obvious, that it is difficult to get the right players in during January.
DM has already said that we have been unable to get certain players (players who must have been his “right ones” otherwise why would he have wanted them).
Dickos is saying that there must be a problem with completing these deals but has said it isn’t obvious what the problems are.
How do we know that the same problems won’t rear their heads again in the summer?
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Even allowing for the fact that DM is choosy (and I don’t doubt that, so he should be) we are not yet managing to get the players in that he’s chosen. That could change in the next two weeks of course. But people will understandably comment on the here and now, especially as DM has admitted missing out on targets.
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We would all like to see signings that are going to make us stronger not just now but also the long term. You need to be a bit more picky with signing players on contracts rather than on short term loans. Because DM was dealt a difficult situation at the start of the season he brought in season long loans that no one had heard of prior to arriving here and there is no doubt they have made a huge difference to our season so far. So in my opinion DM has a good eye for the right player and although it gets a bit twitchy waiting, I’m happy to except his explanation on transfer matter’s of getting the right players in. It may not happen in January but you can only sign the quality he obviously wants for DRFC if it’s available. Patience and trust required, he’s done a great job so far.
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They obviously have been/are available, Jersey, as DM told us a while ago that ‘multiple’ bids have been made!
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But at the same time Jersey he DM has to remember that he is not at WBA anymore, he is in League 1 so he is maybe aiming a bit to high
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But at the same time Jersey he DM has to remember that he is not at WBA anymore, he is in League 1 so he is maybe aiming a bit to high
Did DM leave WBA on good terms as we haven’t been linked to any loans form them ?
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I don't mean them I meant he has to lower his expectations a little bit from there mentally to ours
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I notice on one of the other threads that Paul dickov went on a podcast and said that he was told to tell the fans we had a top 6 budget. If it was found to be true that Darren had been told us something to appease us the fans when actually it wasnt true how would those that believe every thing the board says feel?
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There in lies the problem......fans with too much time on their hands trying to weave purses from pigs ears....
I’m not sure what lives some of you’s lead, but infatuating and obsessing over Doncaster Rovers off field activities can’t be all you have, ..surely?
Perhaps some should take a couple of weeks away from these toxic forums and enjoy the idea that there may be some good news ahead, and if there isn’t, so what, get back to supporting the players we have rather than the ones you think we should have....
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Cardiff paid BWFC £6M with add on's for Gary Madine one January window, now had we a manager who could play in more than one way at the time we should have been laughing at that one. To be fair I did laugh because he is a yard dog a poor mans Kevin Davies if you will.
First season a mild wind would blow him over toughened up to a strong breeze massively over rated by some easily spotted as shocking by most.
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Love your description.
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There in lies the problem......fans with too much time on their hands trying to weave purses from pigs ears....
I’m not sure what lives some of you’s lead, but infatuating and obsessing over Doncaster Rovers off field activities can’t be all you have, ..surely?
Perhaps some should take a couple of weeks away from these toxic forums and enjoy the idea that there may be some good news ahead, and if there isn’t, so what, get back to supporting the players we have rather than the ones you think we should have....
Agree with all that, i sometimes wonder if any of the negative posters live in an adult life, as in paying mortgages and house hold bills. I bet your bottom dollar they will not over spend on anything ( being from Yorkshire :crying: )yet expect the board to chuck thousands to over rated players.
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You’re wasting your time Martin
He is, The last person to take notice of, as he is just the apologist for a board that has no interest in lifting the club into a higher level.
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You’re wasting your time Martin
He is, The last person to take notice of, as he is just the apologist for a board that has no interest in lifting the club into a higher level.
And you base that opinion on???
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
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You’re wasting your time Martin
He is, The last person to take notice of, as he is just the apologist for a board that has no interest in lifting the club into a higher level.
An apologist for the board? How weird. We're a supporters trust, we hold the club to account for the financial management of DRFC for the good of all supporters. The fact that we have a well run club that runs smoothly and efficiently should be applauded and not derided.
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Would you be told about every transfer target we have Martin? This isn’t a dig, just a genuine question.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
So Wilks was a genuine target, of that’s what you mean.? If so that’s interesting to see we are looking to compete with championship clubs for championship level players..
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We already know we were trying to sign a premiership player though don’t we?
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To be honest, although I like Wilks, I’m not too fussed that we’ve missed out on a loan target. Fair play to us for throwing our hat in, but more loans wouldn’t solve anything beyond the immediate term. And if our primary target was and still is Idah on loan, then adding another loanee would make it virtually unfeasible in the first team picture.
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You’re wasting your time Martin
He is, The last person to take notice of, as he is just the apologist for a board that has no interest in lifting the club into a higher level.
You just don't know Martin at all do you? The last thing he is is an apologist for anybody believe me. In fact he is quite the very opposite and is nobodies fool. I know Martin better than all of you and he questions everything, looks at things from all angles and quickly works out what and who isn't what it claims to be. He has the best interests of the club at heart and says things as they are. Unfortunately that is not good enough for certain posters who seem to have an agenda!
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Has it been confirmed we tried to sign him?
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You’re wasting your time Martin
He is, The last person to take notice of, as he is just the apologist for a board that has no interest in lifting the club into a higher level.
Personally I’ve always found SM totally genuine, with the club and supporters best interest at heart. Some of the posters on here must make him question why he bothers
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We already know we were trying to sign a premiership player though don’t we?
That’s not what I meant - taking premier league youngsters on loan to the third division is a bit different to competing with championship clubs for championship players..
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I’m sure we are competing with championship clubs for the Norwich striker
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Then that shows we are not just settling for anyone, that we are looking at players better than should be in league 1:?
I think that shows ambition, wouldn’t you agree.?
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I know we’re not settling for anyone I’ve been saying for weeks that Moore has his targets but we don’t seem to be able to sign them.
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That is a different issue altogether - could be many reasons. With Idah so at it has been beyond our control..
Pukki is fit again at Norwich now.
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I have just had a look at the bbc sport website and numerous clubs are still signing players.
Does anyone think that those clubs are just going out and signing anyone or are they signing players that their managers have targeted.
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I’m not sure it is at all
Just because we’re showing an interest in a championship players, it doesn’t mean we have the ambition to actually sign them
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I’m not sure it is at all
Just because we’re showing an interest in a championship players, it doesn’t mean we have the ambition to actually sign them
That doesn’t make sense? If we weren’t seriously considering signing them, why show interest.?
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It means we’re targeting players that we don’t have a realistic chance of signing. Which in my opinion is why we’re not bringing players in.
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In my opinion he's gone on loan to Grant McCann not necessarily Hull City .
Hull were the only championship club in the hunt for his services .
Personally I think he'd have been better off joining Rovers on loan where he's more likely to get game time at a level he's comfortable with .
He's 12 months away from having championship credentials and there's much to work on , his work rate and decision making are at the top of the list .
The lads got talent , ran the Fulham back four ragged on the opening day of the season who are clearly no championship mugs but he's far from the finished article .
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It means we’re targeting players that we don’t have a realistic chance of signing. Which in my opinion is why we’re not bringing players in.
Until the other day Idah was very realistic, still might be.
I get the impression you’re being contrary for the sake of it. We can agree on things you know..
Neve mind.. enjoy the game tomorrow - let’s hope we’re talking about a good win rather than things neither of us know for certain, yes.?
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I’m not being contrary at all, if we’re told that money isn’t the issue then there’s only a few other reasons. And trying to sign players you have a slim chance of signing is possible one of them
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Would you be told about every transfer target we have Martin? This isn’t a dig, just a genuine question.
I suppose if I asked then yes. But as a general rule I prefer not to know, because what can you do with that information?
If you give out that info you're breaking a trust, and that wouldn't suit me.
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It means we’re targeting players that we don’t have a realistic chance of signing. Which in my opinion is why we’re not bringing players in.
That's not fair.
Yes we are targeting good players, but what is the difference between getting Wilkes from a Championship club last season and trying again this season?
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What I don’t understand is why on Earth we let Alfie go without signing anyone, we were meant get the Norwich lad they had injuries so didn’t let him go, I can’t think of one decent reason to do so
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
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It means we’re targeting players that we don’t have a realistic chance of signing. Which in my opinion is why we’re not bringing players in.
That's not fair.
Yes we are targeting good players, but what is the difference between getting Wilkes from a Championship club last season and trying again this season?
There is a bit of a difference, the way he played for us last season and the fact he’s just signed for a championship club for 1 million.
When we signed him most people hadn’t heard of him.
I’m not saying we are doing this by the way, I’m just thinking of other reasons apart from
Not having the money available to spend
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I wonder if SM could reveal who the two strikers we bid for at the start of the season??
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
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I would have thought that when Moore says we have missed out on targets he means that we were unsuccessful in our attempts to get them to sign for us.
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I cant see how the manager will be happy about his attacking options and it's a huge problem. Things have dragged on ridiculously long imo and I cant see how anyone is happy about that. Hes doing a remarkable job considering what he has. Theres a real question about the lack of ability to get good signings in right now, it has to be a concern.
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Some people do seem to be happy though
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I cant see how the manager will be happy about his attacking options and it's a huge problem. Things have dragged on ridiculously long imo and I cant see how anyone is happy about that. Hes doing a remarkable job considering what he has. Theres a real question about the lack of ability to get good signings in right now, it has to be a concern.
Hard to disagree with this.
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Silently Majority... if Baldwin was Tony Blair, you would be Alastair Campbell :that:
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The realistic recruitment grounds for Rovers aren't so straight forward that makes targets the sure thing supporters would like them to be .
Any shining lights within budget and more than likely lower down the pyramid are also going to attract the attention of other clubs .
With all due respect Rovers at the moment aren't a stand out league one club , they aren't a minnow by any means but they are in with a group of clubs who have aspirations but are similar in size , same fan base and similar personal terms .
Let's say you identity a young striker who has knocked in 15 league goals for Stevenage this season , plenty of other similar sized clubs as Rovers are also going to be on it too .
I could name easily ten clubs in league one at the moment who would equally have enough about them to think they could land such a player .
Until Rovers break away from that group of similar sized clubs and put themselves in to a position of becoming the club players see as a significant step up or even down if you want if you go in to the championship fringe players then its always going to be difficult .
I don't mean any disrespect but try to call it as I see it .
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The real question that needs to be asked of the board. Why do you bother? Why waste millions of pounds each year propping up a club that is "supported" by so many ungrateful bas**rds who cant ever forgive you for not being John Ryan
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The realistic recruitment grounds for Rovers aren't so straight forward that makes targets the sure thing supporters would like them to be .
Any shining lights within budget and more than likely lower down the pyramid are also going to attract the attention of other clubs .
With all due respect Rovers at the moment aren't a stand out league one club , they aren't a minnow by any means but they are in with a group of clubs who have aspirations but are similar in size , same fan base and similar personal terms .
Let's say you identity a young striker who has knocked in 15 league goals for Stevenage this season , plenty of other similar sized clubs as Rovers are also going to be on it too .
I could name easily ten clubs in league one at the moment who would equally have enough about them to think they could land such a player .
Until Rovers break away from that group of similar sized clubs and put themselves in to a position of becoming the club players see as a significant step up or even down if you want if you go in to the championship fringe players then its always going to be difficult .
I don't mean any disrespect but try to call it as I see it .
Quite agree with you Tyke, we don't stand out as one of the teams that will challenge for automatic promotion, we don't stand out enough to attract the Billy Sharp type of striker.
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The real question that needs to be asked of the board. Why do you bother? Why waste millions of pounds each year propping up a club that is "supported" by so many ungrateful bas**rds who cant ever forgive you for not being John Ryan
Millions each year ?
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Can’t help thinking that the board are bit sick of having to bank roll the club every year and have decided to have a year off. The win falls from last season have enabled them to do that. If this is the case then a striker on loan would be better than nothing.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
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The real question that needs to be asked of the board. Why do you bother? Why waste millions of pounds each year propping up a club that is "supported" by so many ungrateful bas**rds who cant ever forgive you for not being John Ryan
Millions each year ?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270192.0
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
So interpretation is what ? That they didn’t or they did . The club is trying to what in this transfer window please tell us all or are you just like us without clue ! SFB
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The realistic recruitment grounds for Rovers aren't so straight forward that makes targets the sure thing supporters would like them to be .
Any shining lights within budget and more than likely lower down the pyramid are also going to attract the attention of other clubs .
With all due respect Rovers at the moment aren't a stand out league one club , they aren't a minnow by any means but they are in with a group of clubs who have aspirations but are similar in size , same fan base and similar personal terms .
Let's say you identity a young striker who has knocked in 15 league goals for Stevenage this season , plenty of other similar sized clubs as Rovers are also going to be on it too .
I could name easily ten clubs in league one at the moment who would equally have enough about them to think they could land such a player .
Until Rovers break away from that group of similar sized clubs and put themselves in to a position of becoming the club players see as a significant step up or even down if you want if you go in to the championship fringe players then its always going to be difficult .
I don't mean any disrespect but try to call it as I see it .
Quite agree with you Tyke, we don't stand out as one of the teams that will challenge for automatic promotion, we don't stand out enough to attract the Billy Sharp type of striker.
The flaw that's possibly hindered you was when you dropped out of the championship the last time and then fell in to League Two which did massive damage to the Rovers brand .
If you look at Rotherham and ourselves who we both find it extremely difficult in the championship but manage to punch the weight at league one level on the back of promotions to the championship .
All the good work from the rise from the Conference and John Ryan and the brand he built took a right hammering when you dropped in to League Two even for the one season .
You've basically had to start again minus his input which to be fair was significant .
It's the like the Champions League in the PL , once you are out of it it's difficult , Arsenal are your reference .
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The real question that needs to be asked of the board. Why do you bother? Why waste millions of pounds each year propping up a club that is "supported" by so many ungrateful bas**rds who cant ever forgive you for not being John Ryan
It must be true then
Millions each year ?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=270192.0
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The realistic recruitment grounds for Rovers aren't so straight forward that makes targets the sure thing supporters would like them to be .
Any shining lights within budget and more than likely lower down the pyramid are also going to attract the attention of other clubs .
With all due respect Rovers at the moment aren't a stand out league one club , they aren't a minnow by any means but they are in with a group of clubs who have aspirations but are similar in size , same fan base and similar personal terms .
Let's say you identity a young striker who has knocked in 15 league goals for Stevenage this season , plenty of other similar sized clubs as Rovers are also going to be on it too .
I could name easily ten clubs in league one at the moment who would equally have enough about them to think they could land such a player .
Until Rovers break away from that group of similar sized clubs and put themselves in to a position of becoming the club players see as a significant step up or even down if you want if you go in to the championship fringe players then its always going to be difficult .
I don't mean any disrespect but try to call it as I see it .
Quite agree with you Tyke, we don't stand out as one of the teams that will challenge for automatic promotion, we don't stand out enough to attract the Billy Sharp type of striker.
The flaw that's possibly hindered you was when you dropped out of the championship the last time and then fell in to League Two which did massive damage to the Rovers brand .
If you look at Rotherham and ourselves who we both find it extremely difficult in the championship but manage to punch the weight at league one level on the back of promotions to the championship .
All the good work from the rise from the Conference and John Ryan and the brand he built took a right hammering when you dropped in to League Two even for the one season .
You've basically had to start again minus his input which to be fair was significant .
It's the like the Champions League in the PL , once you are out of it it's difficult , Arsenal are your reference .
Yep the only way to build the brand again is to make some statement signings. You could argue getting DM here was part of that but if he's not going to be given any money to compete above those around us (let's be honest it's all about money at the end of the day) then the players and agents will go to the clubs where they will be paid more and are still in chance of promotion or play offs
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The real question that needs to be asked of the board. Why do you bother? Why waste millions of pounds each year propping up a club that is "supported" by so many ungrateful bas**rds who cant ever forgive you for not being John Ryan
ldr.
They bother because for every miserable sod there are plenty of supporters who are appreciative of the input of the owners.
All clubs have moaners amongst the fan base, it isn’t just the Rovers.
Not much different to your own colleagues at work really.
There are always the people who constantly bleat about the boss and his big house and car but conveniently forget that he is the reason they have a job.
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What is the problem here? DM has tried to make a signing or two, they’ve not gone through for one reason or another, so he’s moving onto other targets? Some people on here are determined to find something to complain about so look to create some form of conspiracy! There’s some real nutters who follow the Rovers.
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HA, I think that some people are simply asking SM about his “interpretation” comment.
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Understood Hound, but there must be around 20 pages of ‘discussion’ on the same subject with crazy conspiracy theories, unfounded criticism and general wum’s thrown in the mix!
Has SM deliberately misled anyone? No
Has LH deliberately misled anyone? No
Had there been an honest misunderstanding? Possibly
Remember the days when you got all your Rovers info from the back of the Evening Post? Some people now believe that they’ve a right to be told whatever they want by the club, and if that doesn’t happen, on their terms, then there’s some ulterior motive at work!
The world gone mad...or maybe I have.
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In the days when we got all our information from the Evening post, there was no promise of second-tier football within 5 years and claims of top-six budgets.
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In the days when we got all our information from the Evening post, there was no promise of second-tier football within 5 years and claims of top-six budgets.
But social media hadn't created that belief of entitlement to know everything then.
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Back in the days of Bremners second coming or when Uncle Ken came in their were 5 year plans... when it came to it money talked in the end and when it dried up players were sold, incoming quality signings became less and were replaced with journeyman or poor lower league replacements.. we didnt seem to have a problem getting players over the line however a decade ago when we had a Chairman dedicated to 'destination championship' despite the not so great branding.. then we recruited very well and I remember the time at league 1 level he gave us a signing a day for a week... I would say with all this conjecture.. the proof is in the pudding.. we have 4 or 5 and half months of current lack of quality transfer activity including Thomas and Bingham t'boot.. a few tangible quality signings would shut us all up royally but time is ticking.. and a few permanent signings of quality would shut us up even more as a marker of longer term intent.. we didnt have a problem back in 2007-08 with quality permanent signings as we pushed for the championship..
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The Saturday night pub inquest was just as controversial as I remember with folk supping their pints and reading The Green Un , what a missed publication that is .
Today you don't even have to go to games to be pretty much up to speed on what's going on and so have an opinion .
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I loved the Green un, it would be full time at Belle Vue and a 15-20 minute walk the Christchurch bus stop, and the Green Un was already on sale at Christchurch gates on the corner, something to read on the bus on the way home
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I loved the Green un, it would be full time at Belle Vue and a 15-20 minute walk the Christchurch bus stop, and the Green Un was already on sale at Christchurch gates on the corner, something to read on the bus on the way home
The Devonshire pub adjacent to Barnsley bus station opened at 5.30pm so we headed there straight after home games .
We would look through the windows waiting for the Green Un to be delivered to the seller positioned just outside the station .
Mind you the first glimpse of the days results was to head straight out of Oakwell at the final whistle and head in to town and stand outside the tv shop at the side of the market .
Loads and loads would be stood outside the shop as 5pm approached .
Great days .
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All those Barnsley fans queued up waiting eagerly for the Green ‘Un...six fingers and palms all sweaty with anticipation....
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
I wish you'd just said that in the first place. Makes alot more sense than the cryptic messages
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In the days when we got all our information from the Evening post, there was no promise of second-tier football within 5 years and claims of top-six budgets.
But social media hadn't created that belief of entitlement to know everything then.
Social media provides a platform for super-fans to tell everyone else how to support their club properly. It puts the noses out of those people who have supported the club passionately for donkey's years to read that they've been doing it wrong. In its modern purity, it is becoming more a case worshipping your club than supporting it. To object to anything is blasphemous, and anyone who does object should f**k off and support the devil.
John Ryan was much maligned for the 'Destination Championship' slogan, yet the present board's claims of Championship football in 5 years provided by a top-six budget should be unquestioned.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
I wish you'd just said that in the first place. Makes alot more sense than the cryptic messages
I needed the time to double check that I was on the right path. And it was a very busy day yesterday, I do have a proper job you know!
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In the days when we got all our information from the Evening post, there was no promise of second-tier football within 5 years and claims of top-six budgets.
That’s irrelevant BB (though we have had these 5 year plans in the past). The point is there’s clearly been, at the worst, a miscommunication or misunderstanding, and yet some folk seem to turn it into a conspiracy on par with JFK! This stems from the fairly modern idea that people have a right to be given information on their terms and when this doesn’t happen there has to be an ulterior motive at play. Some people in this forum need to take a look at themselves.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
I wish you'd just said that in the first place. Makes alot more sense than the cryptic messages
In fairness Godlike it’s difficult to explain circumstances when you have further knowledge of a situation that revealing too many details that would not be in the clubs interest to have in the public domain too early before things are in place. Especially on a platform like a forum that fails badly to convey messages without infliction.
In all fairness I’ve been in business for a lifetime and understand there is 9/10s of an iceberg beneath the surface and understand an awful lot of SM’s cryptic answers. Unfortunately some people like things spelling out like a Janet and John book. Why? But why? Why? But why?
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In the days when we got all our information from the Evening post, there was no promise of second-tier football within 5 years and claims of top-six budgets.
But social media hadn't created that belief of entitlement to know everything then.
Social media provides a platform for super-fans to tell everyone else how to support their club properly. It puts the noses out of those people who have supported the club passionately for donkey's years to read that they've been doing it wrong. In its modern purity, it is becoming more a case worshipping your club than supporting it. To object to anything is blasphemous, and anyone who does object should f**k off and support the devil.
John Ryan was much maligned for the 'Destination Championship' slogan, yet the present day's board claims of Championship football in 5 years provided by a top-six budget should be unquestioned.
Absolutely spot on BB.. though shall not blaspheme.. what utter nonsense or such evangelical utterings on here.. I think given the context of the play offs since, lost manager, squad decimated, lack of transfer activity in two windows despite a very good windfall in cups, play offs and transfer sales last season it's only right given the top 6 intention and Baldwins summer claims we want to be in the championship implying that's where trying to get to, that we look at the depth of the current squad and resources spent and issues getting deals over the line time and time again despite 'working hard' can be criticised.. we want the best for the club and as the biggest stewards and lovers of our club we can hold the management to account, especially on this forum.. it's what it's for ffs.. aswell as praise a performance, a player or when things all seem good in the direction of travel (and I recognise 8th in league one is bloody good historically for Rovers but the squad needs strengthening if we are to maintain it or push on further before a devout purist points that out)..
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Understood Hound, but there must be around 20 pages of ‘discussion’ on the same subject with crazy conspiracy theories, unfounded criticism and general wum’s thrown in the mix!
Has SM deliberately misled anyone? No
Has LH deliberately misled anyone? No
Had there been an honest misunderstanding? Possibly
Remember the days when you got all your Rovers info from the back of the Evening Post? Some people now believe that they’ve a right to be told whatever they want by the club, and if that doesn’t happen, on their terms, then there’s some ulterior motive at work!
The world gone mad...or maybe I have.
Good post this Herbert, and sentiment I fully agree with.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
we’ll surely the manager himself saying we have “missed out on targets for whatever reason” and they saying that the players have gone elsewhere would say that they were real targets for us. I can’t see how it can be interpreted a different way. It’s the first time he’s said anything like this. Is it possible he’s starting to become a little frustrated himself with the lack of incomings? And a little frustrated by how weak the squad is? He had absolutely nothing today to bring on and try and change the game.
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So, what is it, then?
And for the thirtieth time today it's because DM is waiting for his plan A to come together. He could go to plan B right now and sign players to keep you happy Alan, but he ain't going to, sorry!
but we’ve missed out on targets? So surely we already are on plan B C etc...?
I stand by what I said last night we haven't missed out, until today that is.
But Moore has said himself that we’ve missed out on some players.
Yep he did. But it's all about interpretation.
this makes no sense. How can you interpret it any other way?
Well, firstly it depends if the target is confirmed or not. Are they definitely a target or just a name on a list? Have negotiations begun with the parent club, player or agent? Are they part of plan A or Plan B?
So, depending on who you ask, the answer to, 'have we lost any targets?' could be completely different. And that, unfortunately, is the reason for the mix up here.
I wish you'd just said that in the first place. Makes alot more sense than the cryptic messages
I needed the time to double check that I was on the right path. And it was a very busy day yesterday, I do have a proper job you know!
SM dont you work for the club?
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I have just had a look at the bbc sport website and numerous clubs are still signing players.
Does anyone think that those clubs are just going out and signing anyone or are they signing players that their managers have targeted.
You mean like...err...like Sunderland signing Will Grigg for £4m last January.
That turned out well.
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DM is a very good manager, coach, hardworking and a very honourable man with considerable experience. He knows the ups and downs of the game and I would be surprised if he allows himself to gets frustrated. He accepts the pitfalls of transfer dealings and I'm sure he goes into it knowing he may lose out on certain targets. He and we just have to understand that players may prefer to go to other clubs even without taking finance into account.
I wouldn't worry for him, he is capable of looking after himself. Keep the faith!
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I have just had a look at the bbc sport website and numerous clubs are still signing players.
Does anyone think that those clubs are just going out and signing anyone or are they signing players that their managers have targeted.
You mean like...err...like Sunderland signing Will Grigg for £4m last January.
That turned out well.
Errrr, well I am sure that when Sunderland signed Grigg they thought he would do a good job for them.
As I have said elsewhere, not all incoming players work out well do they.
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I have just had a look at the bbc sport website and numerous clubs are still signing players.
Does anyone think that those clubs are just going out and signing anyone or are they signing players that their managers have targeted.
You mean like...err...like Sunderland signing Will Grigg for £4m last January.
That turned out well.
It was nowhere near 4 million by the way.
Only got to 4 million if they reached the prem. and it’s all in instalments similar to marquis.
Although Wigan managed to find their own deals with instalments to replace him
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Keith79
'SM don't you work for the club?'
No he doesn't. He's a fan like everyone else, but a fan who works tirelessly (like many others up and down the country) for the club he supports (or in SM's case) football supporters in general.
Rovers are very lucky - believe it or not - to have SM in their bank of supporters!
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I have just had a look at the bbc sport website and numerous clubs are still signing players.
Does anyone think that those clubs are just going out and signing anyone or are they signing players that their managers have targeted.
You mean like...err...like Sunderland signing Will Grigg for £4m last January.
That turned out well.
Errrr, well I am sure that when Sunderland signed Grigg they thought he would do a good job for them.
As I have said elsewhere, not all incoming players work out well do they.
They were trying to sign Marquis right up to the final day of the window, then splashed out £4m on Grigg.
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Not correct actually
They never made any bids for marquis until the final day.
They were just trying to get anyone in they also bid for this Shrewsbury lad we are after
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Not correct actually
They never made any bids for marquis until the final day.
They were just trying to get anyone in they also bid for this Shrewsbury lad we are after
Love to know where you get all this knowledge from. You seem to know much more than anyone else. ;)
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Keith79
'SM don't you work for the club?'
No he doesn't. He's a fan like everyone else, but a fan who works tirelessly (like many others up and down the country) for the club he supports (or in SM's case) football supporters in general.
Rovers are very lucky - believe it or not - to have SM in their bank of supporters!
Get a room mate!🤮
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Not correct actually
They never made any bids for marquis until the final day.
They were just trying to get anyone in they also bid for this Shrewsbury lad we are after
Love to know where you get all this knowledge from. You seem to know much more than anyone else. ;)
The club said the only bid came on the last day, it’s common knowledge Sunderland were desperately bidding for anyone on that last day and a tiny amount of effort researching that Shrewsbury lad leads to info regarding Sunderland’s 400k bid for him on deadline day
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Not correct actually
They never made any bids for marquis until the final day.
They were just trying to get anyone in they also bid for this Shrewsbury lad we are after
Love to know where you get all this knowledge from. You seem to know much more than anyone else. ;)
it was well reported tbf
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Back to the original topic - question to the board. It’s interesting to try to unpick some of the roles. It’s clear that we’re having difficulty in completing deals and the term ‘the board’ gets thrown around often as an explanation, but who do people mean when they say that? There’s been some comment about the role of Blunt recently and I find that particularly interesting when you consider:
Terry Bramall - has bankrolled the club for years and, from what I understand, continues to play an active role in the best interests of the club and the town.
Andy Watson - a fan of the club as well as a major shareholder. He’s continuing the great work of his late father, who deserves the utmost respect from all Rovers fans.
Gavin Baldwin - CEO. Engaging with fans and the public face of the board. Undoubtedly a positive influence within and outside the club.
David Blunt - Chairman of the Board. What does he add? I’m not aware he’s a financier, we rarely see or hear from him. What is his role? I find the recent comments from Dickov around his negative interference in transfer dealings to be particularly interesting in the current context. Quite damning too.
Something isn’t quite enabling the public statements of intent from the owners to be translated into action when it comes to building the squad. We’ve no reason not to trust Bramall, Watson and Baldwin, but I just don’t know what the influence of Blunt is and the recent comments do raise some serious questions to answer.