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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Move DRFC on January 16, 2020, 08:34:14 pm
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Got ourselves a great manager but looking at his comments today looks like he's starting to become frustrated with whats going on behind the scenes. Fergie walked out, as did McCann, and if we're not careful so will Moore.
It's as clear as day now that what we were fed by Baldwin about top 6 being the target and having one of the best budgets in the league is total codswallop.
We lost all our highest earners, got £2m for JM and got to the 5th round of the cup and Play Offs... where has that money gone??
We've signed conference quality players to replace Marquis and seem to only be interested in loan deals. Nothing wrong with loans but there is when it's seemingly the only type of signing we want to make.
Summer recruitment was bad enough, this month was the biggest transfer window I can remember (what a chance to go for promotion, poor league) and we're hearing from the manager that if we don't sign anyone he'll be frustrated, like it actually could happen!! Not to mention we've already lost 4 players! Absolutely unbelievable.
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Yawn
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
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For one we don't get the maquis money straight away it's on the never never
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
“ #drfc boss Darren Moore says he needs players, needs to strengthen this month; wouldn’t be happy with the depth of his squad if he ended January with only the players currently at his disposal.
@footballheaven”
When has he said anything like this before? Wouldn’t be happy if he ended Jan with what we’ve got now. As if it could happen and it’s out of his hands.
Haha did we not? What a surprise.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
“ #drfc boss Darren Moore says he needs players, needs to strengthen this month; wouldn’t be happy with the depth of his squad if he ended January with only the players currently at his disposal.
@footballheaven”
When has he said anything like this before? Wouldn’t be happy if he ended Jan with what we’ve got now. As if it could happen and it’s out of his hands.
Haha did we not? What a surprise.
But nowhere does that say we've missed out on any targets. Where does he say it's out of his hands?
And DM is just generalising, of course he won't be happy, and neither will we, which is why it won't happen.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
Sm I know your going to defend the club with all your might especially when thugs are not 100% factually correct or people are reading between the lines to try and assess what's going on.
The thing is that fans are getting really fed up with what is going on from a football side of things and that DM is being hung out to dry as he is the only one on the public side saying things.
It's not good enough in a nut shell, I get that the summer was knackered by mccann going but if our club was showing enough ambition, drive and determination and give him money to really push to go up do you not think he may well have stayed rather than jump at the first opportunity?
DM has basically come out and said that he needs a squad with more depth to get to the top 6. I will be very happy but currently amazed if we have signed anyone of any callibre on a permanent contract in this window.
I think fans have accepted that we have been doing a try before you buy with loans and that DM has had to use loans to get a half decent team. But it is not a long term sustainable strategy and there is signs that there is no strategy anymore at least above DM.
I felt for the players against Shrewsbury as you can tell the frustration is building against the board from fans and I felt it resulted in a lack of patience with the team.
I'd just like some honesty,,..... Not spin, no its a top 6-8 budget bullshit just something such as, we see the summer as the time to buy the players permanently, we are focusing on getting contracts tied up with 16 existing players to prevent a continual summer of rebuilding again and so will give DM the money if the right man is there that he wants otherwise it will be loans to get us through the season.
It's not telling their rivals who we are going for but throwing us fans a bone. This lack of any information other than what DM can tell us is undermining all thengood work the board have done to build the rovers name.
If they won't be forthcoming then maybe it's time they realise they have failed in their attempts to make the club sustainable and successful at the same time and need to move aside
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
Sm I know your going to defend the club with all your might especially when thugs are not 100% factually correct or people are reading between the lines to try and assess what's going on.
The thing is that fans are getting really fed up with what is going on from a football side of things and that DM is being hung out to dry as he is the only one on the public side saying things.
It's not good enough in a nut shell, I get that the summer was knackered by mccann going but if our club was showing enough ambition, drive and determination and give him money to really push to go up do you not think he may well have stayed rather than jump at the first opportunity?
DM has basically come out and said that he needs a squad with more depth to get to the top 6. I will be very happy but currently amazed if we have signed anyone of any callibre on a permanent contract in this window.
I think fans have accepted that we have been doing a try before you buy with loans and that DM has had to use loans to get a half decent team. But it is not a long term sustainable strategy and there is signs that there is no strategy anymore at least above DM.
I felt for the players against Shrewsbury as you can tell the frustration is building against the board from fans and I felt it resulted in a lack of patience with the team.
I'd just like some honesty,,..... Not spin, no its a top 6-8 budget bullshit just something such as, we see the summer as the time to buy the players permanently, we are focusing on getting contracts tied up with 16 existing players to prevent a continual summer of rebuilding again and so will give DM the money if the right man is there that he wants otherwise it will be loans to get us through the season.
It's not telling their rivals who we are going for but throwing us fans a bone. This lack of any information other than what DM can tell us is undermining all thengood work the board have done to build the rovers name.
If they won't be forthcoming then maybe it's time they realise they have failed in their attempts to make the club sustainable and successful at the same time and need to move aside
You’ve just nailed it there. Bang on.
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godlike,
That post of yours would need War and Peace from me to answer all the detail that you touch on, and to be fair it's been along day and I could do with putting my feet up!
But firstly, I only defend the club with all my might when I know there is something to defend. I'm probably their biggest critic and have been so for years, but I like to do my criticising behind closed doors and work on outcomes that are beneficial.
I get the frustration, I really do, but why would I defend in a situation like this? Because the 'reasons' posters are putting out what they consider is factual it simply isn't.
Do you not think that I ask the same questions as everyone else? Of course I do, but the responses I'm making are based on those discussions with the club, and not what some journalist from any media source has posted.
Honesty? I think the club have been honest, its just that whatever they say it will never be enough for some.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
“ #drfc boss Darren Moore says he needs players, needs to strengthen this month; wouldn’t be happy with the depth of his squad if he ended January with only the players currently at his disposal.
@footballheaven”
When has he said anything like this before? Wouldn’t be happy if he ended Jan with what we’ve got now. As if it could happen and it’s out of his hands.
Haha did we not? What a surprise.
But nowhere does that say we've missed out on any targets. Where does he say it's out of his hands?
And DM is just generalising, of course he won't be happy, and neither will we, which is why it won't happen.
I didn’t say that what’s he said, but that’s what it sounds like to me. But if he’s saying that, it’s clearly insinuating it is a possibility, and he’s just said he wouldn’t be happy if it did happen.
Gotta ask the questions why we’re missing out on players - Darren’s identified them, but the club seemingly can’t sign them as we’re not offering enough cash. It’s quite clear to see what’s going on
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
“ #drfc boss Darren Moore says he needs players, needs to strengthen this month; wouldn’t be happy with the depth of his squad if he ended January with only the players currently at his disposal.
@footballheaven”
When has he said anything like this before? Wouldn’t be happy if he ended Jan with what we’ve got now. As if it could happen and it’s out of his hands.
Haha did we not? What a surprise.
But nowhere does that say we've missed out on any targets. Where does he say it's out of his hands?
And DM is just generalising, of course he won't be happy, and neither will we, which is why it won't happen.
I didn’t say that what’s he said, but that’s what it sounds like to me. But if he’s saying that, it’s clearly insinuating it is a possibility, and he’s just said he wouldn’t be happy if it did happen.
Gotta ask the questions why we’re missing out on players - Darren’s identified them, but the club seemingly can’t sign them as we’re not offering enough cash. It’s quite clear to see what’s going on
No you didn't, but that was the question I asked and you responded.
Yes by all means ask the question, but then don't dismiss the answer because it doesn't fit with your narrative.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
No, it was godlike who suggested that.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
Sm I know your going to defend the club with all your might especially when thugs are not 100% factually correct or people are reading between the lines to try and assess what's going on.
The thing is that fans are getting really fed up with what is going on from a football side of things and that DM is being hung out to dry as he is the only one on the public side saying things.
It's not good enough in a nut shell, I get that the summer was knackered by mccann going but if our club was showing enough ambition, drive and determination and give him money to really push to go up do you not think he may well have stayed rather than jump at the first opportunity?
DM has basically come out and said that he needs a squad with more depth to get to the top 6. I will be very happy but currently amazed if we have signed anyone of any callibre on a permanent contract in this window.
I think fans have accepted that we have been doing a try before you buy with loans and that DM has had to use loans to get a half decent team. But it is not a long term sustainable strategy and there is signs that there is no strategy anymore at least above DM.
I felt for the players against Shrewsbury as you can tell the frustration is building against the board from fans and I felt it resulted in a lack of patience with the team.
I'd just like some honesty,,..... Not spin, no its a top 6-8 budget bullshit just something such as, we see the summer as the time to buy the players permanently, we are focusing on getting contracts tied up with 16 existing players to prevent a continual summer of rebuilding again and so will give DM the money if the right man is there that he wants otherwise it will be loans to get us through the season.
It's not telling their rivals who we are going for but throwing us fans a bone. This lack of any information other than what DM can tell us is undermining all thengood work the board have done to build the rovers name.
If they won't be forthcoming then maybe it's time they realise they have failed in their attempts to make the club sustainable and successful at the same time and need to move aside
But you're getting frustrated with what you don't know and assuming things must be wrong behind the scenes and preemping possible consequences down the line. I don't feel there is any need for any of the owners to have to say anything. They don't say anything when we're doing well. So why should they assume they need to respond to a relatively small number of fans think there are problems. They just let DM get on with it.
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godlike,
That post of yours would need War and Peace from me to answer all the detail that you touch on, and to be fair it's been along day and I could do with putting my feet up!
But firstly, I only defend the club with all my might when I know there is something to defend. I'm probably their biggest critic and have been so for years, but I like to do my criticising behind closed doors and work on outcomes that are beneficial.
I get the frustration, I really do, but why would I defend in a situation like this? Because the 'reasons' posters are putting out what they consider is factual it simply isn't.
Do you not think that I ask the same questions as everyone else? Of course I do, but the responses I'm making are based on those discussions with the club, and not what some journalist from any media source has posted.
Honesty? I think the club have been honest, its just that whatever they say it will never be enough for some.
So if you are speaking to the club .
What is the fees the club got for Marquis .
/ Cup and Little Alfie May.
If we have a top 6 budget why do we need loans .
What was Darren Moore’s target was it to avoid relegation or get into the playoffs .
Does Darren Moore have a get out clause at the end of the season.
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Sorry but the important questions now are about the transfer window.?
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DM has in fact said that we have missed out on some targets. The below is all from the DFP article, with direct quotes from DM....
Rovers have yet to make a signing this month and Moore says some targets have gone elsewhere - but he is not overly concerned with that.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
“It can be just the player choosing to go somewhere else or the advisor getting involved.”
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DM has in fact said that we have missed out on some targets. The below is all from the DFP article, with direct quotes from DM....
Rovers have yet to make a signing this month and Moore says some targets have gone elsewhere - but he is not overly concerned with that.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
“It can be just the player choosing to go somewhere else or the advisor getting involved.”
Go listen to the interview as broadcast by radio Sheffield..
It looks like the DFP has misquoted DM.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
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DM has in fact said that we have missed out on some targets. The below is all from the DFP article, with direct quotes from DM....
Rovers have yet to make a signing this month and Moore says some targets have gone elsewhere - but he is not overly concerned with that.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
“It can be just the player choosing to go somewhere else or the advisor getting involved.”
Go listen to the interview as broadcast by radio Sheffield..
It looks like the DFP has misquoted DM.
I didn’t hear it IDM. Have the above words not come from DM’s mouth?
If not, I stand corrected.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Was it 'widely reported' by DRFC? If not, its just guesses, nothing more.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
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DM has in fact said that we have missed out on some targets. The below is all from the DFP article, with direct quotes from DM....
Rovers have yet to make a signing this month and Moore says some targets have gone elsewhere - but he is not overly concerned with that.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
“It can be just the player choosing to go somewhere else or the advisor getting involved.”
Go listen to the interview as broadcast by radio Sheffield..
It looks like the DFP has misquoted DM.
I didn’t hear it IDM. Have the above words not come from DM’s mouth?
If not, I stand corrected.
I urge you to listen to Adam Oxley’s full interview. Forget what you’ve read for now. If Hoden is reporting something else, I’ve yet to hear or see it from DMs mouth.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
For you but there again it isn't your couple of million thats keeping the club afloat every season
That doesn’t mean they’re immune to criticism for the way we as a club are going about our player recruitment...
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
If the up front fee is nowhere near that but it reaches that then fair enough but if he just means we've got f all for Marquis then we've been robbed.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Widely reported by who? I don't believe the club have given that information to anybody, not even me! Lol.
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godlike,
That post of yours would need War and Peace from me to answer all the detail that you touch on, and to be fair it's been along day and I could do with putting my feet up!
But firstly, I only defend the club with all my might when I know there is something to defend. I'm probably their biggest critic and have been so for years, but I like to do my criticising behind closed doors and work on outcomes that are beneficial.
I get the frustration, I really do, but why would I defend in a situation like this? Because the 'reasons' posters are putting out what they consider is factual it simply isn't.
Do you not think that I ask the same questions as everyone else? Of course I do, but the responses I'm making are based on those discussions with the club, and not what some journalist from any media source has posted.
Honesty? I think the club have been honest, its just that whatever they say it will never be enough for some.
So if you are speaking to the club .
What is the fees the club got for Marquis .
/ Cup and Little Alfie May.
If we have a top 6 budget why do we need loans .
What was Darren Moore’s target was it to avoid relegation or get into the playoffs .
Does Darren Moore have a get out clause at the end of the season.
Having a top 6 budget doesn't mean loans won't improve your team. We wouldn't have got top 6 without loaning players like Kane.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
Wow. People don’t take it well when the club gets criticised do they!
Godlike’s general summary was bang on, I’m not calling for the board to step aside, generally in most aspects they do us good (referring to the points you made). I’m critical of this shambolic recruitment process and not backing up statements we’ve heard of “top 6 is the aim” etc. If you make statements like that you back it up in the transfer markets.
Oh and in reference to the football, it’s great at the minute which is testament to DM, but also because we have 12/13 good players. Luckily at the moment they’re all fit - but we clearly need need more.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
You just sound like bully hiding behind a forum where opinions are voiced without prejudice or spoken in a condescending manner !
And you don't??
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
You just sound like bully hiding behind a forum where opinions are voiced without prejudice or spoken in a condescending manner !
And you don't??
I said he sound like one because that’s all that goes on here as you talk yourself up like many and offer little proof of your insight .
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Yawn.
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Yawn.
Yes are just that !!
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How exactly is the recruitment process 'shambolic'? Is it just because the club keep their cards close to their chest instead of telling you everything?
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Don’t change a thing! Never been a fan of the January transfer window. It’s taken best part of half a season for DM to get his ideas across and get the team playing how he wants. Rest copps for as long and as often as we can for the final push. He’s played a lot of footy. I can only imagine how delighted the board and DM are with how the seasons gone thus far. We look fantastic, he’s the best manager we’ve had from a defensive point of view for as long as I can remember. If we make playoffs he’s done his job and if we go up we might just get to keep him. If not he’ll go because like McCann he’s too good for league 1
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godlike,
That post of yours would need War and Peace from me to answer all the detail that you touch on, and to be fair it's been along day and I could do with putting my feet up!
But firstly, I only defend the club with all my might when I know there is something to defend. I'm probably their biggest critic and have been so for years, but I like to do my criticising behind closed doors and work on outcomes that are beneficial.
I get the frustration, I really do, but why would I defend in a situation like this? Because the 'reasons' posters are putting out what they consider is factual it simply isn't.
Do you not think that I ask the same questions as everyone else? Of course I do, but the responses I'm making are based on those discussions with the club, and not what some journalist from any media source has posted.
Honesty? I think the club have been honest, its just that whatever they say it will never be enough for some.
SM
I get your point and appreciate your comments. It's very hard to put a reasoned discussion on this forum without people taking it personally and behaving like you've had a shit on their front lawn.
I don't actually expect you to give any answers to my questions, it would be nice to know what they are and why we are told one thing and then another but..........because you hear for the horses mouth you think its always the same information.
It doesn't really matter I am some one who like those who vigorously back the club no matter what or like to have a moan about it no matter what. Loves the club to bits. I have ever. Since my old man took me to my first game 35 yrs ago. I have the same passion and pride now as I did then and always hope we may achieve the potential we have to get to the top.
I should always be allowed to put my point across without being made to feel insulted,patronised or insignificant. Unfortunately that rarely happens on this forum...........
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Don’t change a thing! Never been a fan of the January transfer window. It’s taken best part of half a season for DM to get his ideas across and get the team playing how he wants. Rest copps for as long and as often as we can for the final push. He’s played a lot of footy. I can only imagine how delighted the board and DM are with how the seasons gone thus far. We look fantastic, he’s the best manager we’ve had from a defensive point of view for as long as I can remember. If we make playoffs he’s done his job and if we go up we might just get to keep him. If not he’ll go because like McCann he’s too good for league 1
Let me get this right. Are you saying that we shouldn't sign anyone, despite the probability of injuries and suspensions?
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godlike,
That post of yours would need War and Peace from me to answer all the detail that you touch on, and to be fair it's been along day and I could do with putting my feet up!
But firstly, I only defend the club with all my might when I know there is something to defend. I'm probably their biggest critic and have been so for years, but I like to do my criticising behind closed doors and work on outcomes that are beneficial.
I get the frustration, I really do, but why would I defend in a situation like this? Because the 'reasons' posters are putting out what they consider is factual it simply isn't.
Do you not think that I ask the same questions as everyone else? Of course I do, but the responses I'm making are based on those discussions with the club, and not what some journalist from any media source has posted.
Honesty? I think the club have been honest, its just that whatever they say it will never be enough for some.
SM
I get your point and appreciate your comments. It's very hard to put a reasoned discussion on this forum without people taking it personally and behaving like you've had a shit on their front lawn.
I don't actually expect you to give any answers to my questions, it would be nice to know what they are and why we are told one thing and then another but..........because you hear for the horses mouth you think its always the same information.
It doesn't really matter I am some one who like those who vigorously back the club no matter what or like to have a moan about it no matter what. Loves the club to bits. I have ever. Since my old man took me to my first game 35 yrs ago. I have the same passion and pride now as I did then and always hope we may achieve the potential we have to get to the top.
I should always be allowed to put my point across without being made to feel insulted,patronised or insignificant. Unfortunately that rarely happens on this forum...........
We all want to see the same thing. About the things DM says in response to questions. He says to the reporters, if there's any change you’ll be the first to know. So, nothing changes, the reporters don't hear anything but they ask him the same question! So what other answer can he give?
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Widely reported by who? I don't believe the club have given that information to anybody, not even me! Lol.
So if they never gave you the information, how can you comment on the value.
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Widely reported by who? I don't believe the club have given that information to anybody, not even me! Lol.
So if they never gave you the information, how can you comment on the value.
Because they probably said exactly the same to S_M as what he said to us. "No where near"
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Widely reported by who? I don't believe the club have given that information to anybody, not even me! Lol.
So if they never gave you the information, how can you comment on the value.
How can anybody, even those who pretend they know?
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simplified for some of our supporters, a ball over the line is not a goal till the referee says it is and it's on the score board :)
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Where has DM said any of this??
Quick correction as well, we didn't get £2m for Marquis. Nowhere near.
It was widely reported at the time the fee was close to £2 Million... saying “it was no where near “ are you allowed to expand on that ?
Widely reported by who? I don't believe the club have given that information to anybody, not even me! Lol.
Interested to know how you know it was know where near £2 million if the club never told you about it ?
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Facts speak for themselves absolutely nobody coming in of any note, cheap options being the main focus, window opens we miss out again!! It’s all about money and the tuck shop operation the board run..... either Watson or bramhall have pulled the plug or there’s little interest in success. This season there’s real chance of a crack at promotion but hey ho dms hands are tied just like McCann and Ferguson, sooner they admit there’s an issue the better.
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Facts speak for themselves absolutely nobody coming in of any note, cheap options being the main focus, window opens we miss out again!! It’s all about money and the tuck shop operation the board run..... either Watson or bramhall have pulled the plug or there’s little interest in success. This season there’s real chance of a crack at promotion but hey ho dms hands are tied just like McCann and Ferguson, sooner they admit there’s an issue the better.
Right, I'll take you directly to task, because some people will read what you say and believe it, some will even want it to be true!
"Cheap options being the main focus" Firstly, how do you know what the focus is? Secondly, define cheap, because from where I'm sitting, even loan players and "free transfers" cost a lot of money.
I'm really please though that you think we have a real chance of a crack at promotion, because we've got there through the current strategy.
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
In answer to that question - it wouldn't particularly surprise me. Listen to Dickov here at 1 hr 37 minutes in. He says the board cut the budget after JR left which is obvious and also told Dickov to tell the fans it was a top 6 budget when it was nowhere near. Why do you actually think Fergie and McCann left? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=KGJSsNOHbp0&feature=emb_title
I'm glad the current board got rid of Dickov btw, he was cack.
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The only fact in that post is that we haven’t brought anyone in, yet.
Not including loan extensions for Sheaf and Dieng of course, who would otherwise now have left.
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I knew this would happen eventually as it’s exactly what happened in the summer.
This isn’t a pop at anyone, but at the beginning of the window people say give them chance let’s see what’s happened in a couple of weeks but yes we definitely need new players but let’s just see what happens. And then as we get deeper into the month the same people change their tune to well we’ve extended this loan and he’s signed a new contract. Which is what happened in the summer and so far it’s happening again
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Move, who the bloody hell do you think our owners are going to stand aside for?
When did I say they should stand aside? I’m just saying what’s going on isn’t not good enough.
When godlike said the board should step aside in the final sentence of his rambling, you quoted him & said ‘Bang on’.
You ought to take more care who ‘you back’ if you’re going to deny agreeing with another compulsive moaner 4 posts down.
And when you say “...what’s going on isn’t good enough.” Are you referring to the £millions the board put into the running of the club year on year out of their own pockets?
Are you referring to the style of football you are being served up?
Are you referring to the fact that a win on Saturday would see us in the top six with games in hand on those teams around & above us?
Are you referring to the fact that despite the dearth of local derby games this season ticket sales are up on last season?
Are you of the same mind as the ‘conspiracy theorists’ on this forum that the last two managers left because of ‘the clubs (i.e boards) lack of (so called) ambition’?
If so, aren’t you somewhat amazed that this season Ben Whiteman has signed an extension to a contract that still had over a year to run on it?
If so, aren’t you surprised the club was able to attract a young manager who is clearly held in such high regard by those in his profession?
As has been said by those truly in the know, Darren Moore is his own man looking to bring players to the club he wants. Not who the board or the CEO want despite Gavin Baldwin’s assurances that the money is there, or are you calling GB a liar?
Stop reading between the lines & ‘following’ the doom mongering sheep that pervade the forum. If not you, like they, are going to look mighty foolish come the end of the season as I take delight in bringing your posts back to haunt you.
In answer to that question - it wouldn't particularly surprise me. Listen to Dickov here at 1 hr 37 minutes in. He says the board cut the budget after JR left which is obvious and also told Dickov to tell the fans it was a top 6 budget when it was nowhere near. Why do you actually think Fergie and McCann left? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=KGJSsNOHbp0&feature=emb_title
I'm glad the current board got rid of Dickov btw, he was cack.
I've just played that Dickov clip. That is pretty damming stuff. :(
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That's not an unreasonable reflection of what happened at the time from Dickov. Spin and appeasing fans is all part of the job as he acknowledges.
We always have to understand that whatever the budget is, the manager's job is to utilise it to the best of his ability. He shouldn't be going to the board every 5 minutes and asking for more. That said, it's not easy for any manager at any club it's an all consuming job.
He confirmed there that the wage bill had got out of hand and it had to be cut. JR knew that, all 3 of them knew that. When JR resigns then that leaves a hole to be filled and that doesn't happen by magic or by putting the club at risk with taking even more risks.
To make up for the loss of income the club had to look at other income streams and Club Doncaster has made up for that in some way and is a sound way of generating income and turnover we wouldn't otherwise get. There are other community aspects of Club Dincaster, the foundation and educational side that largely goes unnoticed.
Back to the concept of top 6 budget, something I've always been uncomfortable with as it's ambiguous and could be misinterpreted.
Whatever mechanism the owners have set up to fund the club is ok by me as you need some serious wealth to generate in excess of £1m a year each, to give freely to the club and underwrite any additional losses on top of that.
The club, just like other clubs and in other industries, will always try to put positive spin on things for obvious reasons and most folk understand that and accept that because what we see for what we pay on a Saturday afternoon is acceptable. I'm enjoying the football just as much this season as I did the last, the season before, when we were in the Championship and when we were in the Conference. It's all relative.
Until some other ’investor’ comes along who wants to put more money in, things are not going to change much anytime soon.
The choice is ours whether to buy our tickets. I for one still think I'm getting good value for money.
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Honestly some of our supporters are ridiculous. Our board back us like nobody else ever has financially in the history of the club. Even the great JR couldn't have sustained our losses. We have a fantastic stadium, great management and great communication with the club. From SM to the meet the owners events to players interacting with supporters. Our youth teams seem to be developing well too.
Yes we'd like a number 9 but at what cost?
Also put yourself (realistically) in the owners shoes. How much per season would you invest of your own money to keep the club ticking over?
If you don't like it and want to be bank rolled maybe Man City is the club for you? Or Chelsea or whichever the next falsely positioned club is.
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Honestly some of our supporters are ridiculous. Our board back us like nobody else ever has financially in the history of the club. Even the great JR couldn't have sustained our losses. We have a fantastic stadium, great management and great communication with the club. From SM to the meet the owners events to players interacting with supporters. Our youth teams seem to be developing well too.
Yes we'd like a number 9 but at what cost?
Also put yourself (realistically) in the owners shoes. How much per season would you invest of your own money to keep the club ticking over?
If you don't like it and want to be bank rolled maybe Man City is the club for you? Or Chelsea or whichever the next falsely positioned club is.
Great post.
But you can talk to some on here until you are blue in the face and they still won’t get it, don’t want to get it, or simply have their own negative agenda about the board.
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DM has in fact said that we have missed out on some targets. The below is all from the DFP article, with direct quotes from DM....
Rovers have yet to make a signing this month and Moore says some targets have gone elsewhere - but he is not overly concerned with that.
“There’s one or two that we’ve missed out on for various reasons,” he said.
“It can be just the player choosing to go somewhere else or the advisor getting involved.”
Go listen to the interview as broadcast by radio Sheffield..
It looks like the DFP has misquoted DM.
Sounds like it’s come from a different interview with LH asking the question. He has posted an audio clip of the question being answered.
The words quoted in the Free Press came out of DM’s mouth verbatim, so I am confused as to where the allegation of misquoting has come from.
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My post you quoted was put on here several hours before Liam tweeted his audio.
Had that been available beforehand then I wouldn’t have suggested any misquoting.
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I knew this would happen eventually as it’s exactly what happened in the summer.
This isn’t a pop at anyone, but at the beginning of the window people say give them chance let’s see what’s happened in a couple of weeks but yes we definitely need new players but let’s just see what happens. And then as we get deeper into the month the same people change their tune to well we’ve extended this loan and he’s signed a new contract. Which is what happened in the summer and so far it’s happening again
Agreed, I posted a similar comment yesterday Dickos.
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Honestly some of our supporters are ridiculous. Our board back us like nobody else ever has financially in the history of the club. Even the great JR couldn't have sustained our losses. We have a fantastic stadium, great management and great communication with the club. From SM to the meet the owners events to players interacting with supporters. Our youth teams seem to be developing well too.
Yes we'd like a number 9 but at what cost?
Also put yourself (realistically) in the owners shoes. How much per season would you invest of your own money to keep the club ticking over?
If you don't like it and want to be bank rolled maybe Man City is the club for you? Or Chelsea or whichever the next falsely positioned club is.
Once again.
Nobody at all is sugggesting the club go out and spend silly money.
I don’t understand the comment “at what cost?” We are a football club that needs to invest in players to win football matches and progress.
If we spent no money we would end up with a side like 1997.
We lost over a dozen players over the last 2 seasons and we haven’t replaced them, we’ve sold our main striker for a lot of money, yes not all at once but surely we can do our own deal where we don’t pay all at once.
We’ve always been told that all income would be spent on the football team, it’s hard to see that his is now the case
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Facts speak for themselves absolutely nobody coming in of any note, cheap options being the main focus, window opens we miss out again!! It’s all about money and the tuck shop operation the board run..... either Watson or bramhall have pulled the plug or there’s little interest in success. This season there’s real chance of a crack at promotion but hey ho dms hands are tied just like McCann and Ferguson, sooner they admit there’s an issue the better.
Then it's a shame that everything you've written after this doesn't contain any, isn't it?
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Honestly some of our supporters are ridiculous. Our board back us like nobody else ever has financially in the history of the club. Even the great JR couldn't have sustained our losses. We have a fantastic stadium, great management and great communication with the club. From SM to the meet the owners events to players interacting with supporters. Our youth teams seem to be developing well too.
Yes we'd like a number 9 but at what cost?
Also put yourself (realistically) in the owners shoes. How much per season would you invest of your own money to keep the club ticking over?
If you don't like it and want to be bank rolled maybe Man City is the club for you? Or Chelsea or whichever the next falsely positioned club is.
Once again.
Nobody at all is sugggesting the club go out and spend silly money.
I don’t understand the comment “at what cost?” We are a football club that needs to invest in players to win football matches and progress.
If we spent no money we would end up with a side like 1997.
We lost over a dozen players over the last 2 seasons and we haven’t replaced them, we’ve sold our main striker for a lot of money, yes not all at once but surely we can do our own deal where we don’t pay all at once.
We’ve always been told that all income would be spent on the football team, it’s hard to see that his is now the case
Bottom line is you're concerned along with others, that the club is on a downward spiral financially which jeopardises our standing in the football pyramid.
There is nothing that any of us can do or say that will allay those concerns. It is beyond our control.
Try to take all the semantics out of it and judge on what the output is on the pitch. Compare it to times in our history when things were much worse.
I took a sabbatical during the Richardson era. It cleansed my soul relieving me of any anxiety or interest in the club at that time. I got on with my life and when I was persuaded to come back after Richardson departure, it's been enjoyable. So when things aren't going so well, I just look back and think it's not that bad!
I bet there are many a fan across the leagues up and down the country who would gladly swap with us.
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DBR that last line is a huge understatement.
There are many fans across the country who will look at us with considerable envy at how well run a club we are.
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That's not an unreasonable reflection of what happened at the time from Dickov. Spin and appeasing fans is all part of the job as he acknowledges.
We always have to understand that whatever the budget is, the manager's job is to utilise it to the best of his ability. He shouldn't be going to the board every 5 minutes and asking for more. That said, it's not easy for any manager at any club it's an all consuming job.
He confirmed there that the wage bill had got out of hand and it had to be cut. JR knew that, all 3 of them knew that. When JR resigns then that leaves a hole to be filled and that doesn't happen by magic or by putting the club at risk with taking even more risks.
To make up for the loss of income the club had to look at other income streams and Club Doncaster has made up for that in some way and is a sound way of generating income and turnover we wouldn't otherwise get. There are other community aspects of Club Dincaster, the foundation and educational side that largely goes unnoticed.
Back to the concept of top 6 budget, something I've always been uncomfortable with as it's ambiguous and could be misinterpreted.
Whatever mechanism the owners have set up to fund the club is ok by me as you need some serious wealth to generate in excess of £1m a year each, to give freely to the club and underwrite any additional losses on top of that.
The club, just like other clubs and in other industries, will always try to put positive spin on things for obvious reasons and most folk understand that and accept that because what we see for what we pay on a Saturday afternoon is acceptable. I'm enjoying the football just as much this season as I did the last, the season before, when we were in the Championship and when we were in the Conference. It's all relative.
Until some other ’investor’ comes along who wants to put more money in, things are not going to change much anytime soon.
The choice is ours whether to buy our tickets. I for one still think I'm getting good value for money.
that's a fair post. I would say though that what the club say their approach is does not follow on in terms of actions leading to becoming a sustainable model. Managers leaving apart, i can see no evidence over the last three years where the footballing side has been made more sustainable.
They have said they need to look at putting out longer contracts for their managers rather than the rolling contract, no sign of that yet for the amazing job DM is doing with the limited resources he has etc etc
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That's not an unreasonable reflection of what happened at the time from Dickov. Spin and appeasing fans is all part of the job as he acknowledges.
We always have to understand that whatever the budget is, the manager's job is to utilise it to the best of his ability. He shouldn't be going to the board every 5 minutes and asking for more. That said, it's not easy for any manager at any club it's an all consuming job.
He confirmed there that the wage bill had got out of hand and it had to be cut. JR knew that, all 3 of them knew that. When JR resigns then that leaves a hole to be filled and that doesn't happen by magic or by putting the club at risk with taking even more risks.
To make up for the loss of income the club had to look at other income streams and Club Doncaster has made up for that in some way and is a sound way of generating income and turnover we wouldn't otherwise get. There are other community aspects of Club Dincaster, the foundation and educational side that largely goes unnoticed.
Back to the concept of top 6 budget, something I've always been uncomfortable with as it's ambiguous and could be misinterpreted.
Whatever mechanism the owners have set up to fund the club is ok by me as you need some serious wealth to generate in excess of £1m a year each, to give freely to the club and underwrite any additional losses on top of that.
The club, just like other clubs and in other industries, will always try to put positive spin on things for obvious reasons and most folk understand that and accept that because what we see for what we pay on a Saturday afternoon is acceptable. I'm enjoying the football just as much this season as I did the last, the season before, when we were in the Championship and when we were in the Conference. It's all relative.
Until some other ’investor’ comes along who wants to put more money in, things are not going to change much anytime soon.
The choice is ours whether to buy our tickets. I for one still think I'm getting good value for money.
that's a fair post. I would say though that what the club say their approach is does not follow on in terms of actions leading to becoming a sustainable model. Managers leaving apart, i can see no evidence over the last three years where the footballing side has been made more sustainable.
They have said they need to look at putting out longer contracts for their managers rather than the rolling contract, no sign of that yet for the amazing job DM is doing with the limited resources he has etc etc
They addressed that at The Meet The Owners when someone asked about longer contracts for the manager. The bottom line is, no length of contract will stop a manager leaving if he wants to, and shorter contracts mean we can dismiss without paying as much compensation, so a rolling contract suits both parties.
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DBR that last line is a huge understatement.
There are many fans across the country who will look at us with considerable envy at how well run a club we are.
Of course
Don’t doubt that for a second, there’s some very badly run clubs.
By the same token though there’s clubs that we can aspire to,
Brentford, Bournemouth, Burnley, Wigan etc
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What many on here, and perhaps some of our younger contributors, would do well to remember is that DM played for us in the Richardson era. If anyone knows what sh*t looks like at DRFC then its Darren Moore.
I remember DM being one of the few shining lights as the club got pulled apart. His loyalty to the cause at that time was an absolute measure of the man's integrity until even he knew the game was up. And then he became the piece of family silver that was sold to line Richardson's pockets in the run up to that 97-98 season when insanity kicked in.
Remember that the next time you mouth off about the Board not caring or DM not being given enough. We don't know we're born!
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We have been made more sustainable by the revamp of the U23 set up and by the appointment of Darren Moore.
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DBR that last line is a huge understatement.
There are many fans across the country who will look at us with considerable envy at how well run a club we are.
Of course
Don’t doubt that for a second, there’s some very badly run clubs.
By the same token though there’s clubs that we can aspire to,
Brentford, Bournemouth, Burnley, Wigan etc
They are mainly unrealistic aspirations. Certainly Bournemouth and Wigan have in recent history been entirely propped up by massive owner subsidy on a colossal scale. Brentford owner has an odd model that has for many years had salaries running way over income and demanding 100m plus of his investment. Burnley I don’t know.
We can aspire to be Barnsley or Rotherham.
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How exactly is the recruitment process 'shambolic'? Is it just because the club keep their cards close to their chest instead of telling you everything?
That how it should be, it's January things won't start to move, for teams outside the prem top 6 until towards end anyway
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DBR that last line is a huge understatement.
There are many fans across the country who will look at us with considerable envy at how well run a club we are.
Of course
Don’t doubt that for a second, there’s some very badly run clubs.
By the same token though there’s clubs that we can aspire to,
Brentford, Bournemouth, Burnley, Wigan etc
They are mainly unrealistic aspirations. Certainly Bournemouth and Wigan have in recent history been entirely propped up by massive owner subsidy on a colossal scale. Brentford owner has an odd model that has for many years had salaries running way over income and demanding 100m plus of his investment. Burnley I don’t know.
We can aspire to be Barnsley or Rotherham.
Of course Bournemouth and Wigan have rich owners, so do we.
And they also have to abide by FFP.
Brentford though I disagree, they have a great recruitment policy and they turn relatively cheap signings into big money sales on a regular basis and still mantain progression each season
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You are again not reading statements properly.
I said there was massive owner subsidy in Bournemouth and Wigan in their recent history. I made no reference to how rich the owners were. Dave Whelan when he was subsidising them and the Russian guy at Bournemouth have put in colossal sums. Our owners might have that cash or not, but their very welcome subsidy is nowhere near the massive amounts those two guys put in.
The Brentford owner has invested over £110m into Brentford. As I said, there is a certain model there, but £110m owner subsidy has helped make that work.
Our owners have not, will not and should not be subsiding the club to these colossal sums. Their £1.5-2m a season is sufficient.
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Absolutely spot-on CBcb
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Brentford certainly wouldn't be allowed to have 110 million invested by their owner they would be breaking the ffp rules and as far as I know they haven’t been sanctioned for this.
What I do know is Brentford over the last 2/3 years have recouped around 90 million quid from player sales and over the same period spent around a 3rd of that.
Therefore as I said earlier their recruitment is outstanding, they’re still at the top end of the championship and are still finding players cheap and selling them on for fortunes.
Brentford are definitely a club we can aspire to
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Got ourselves a great manager but looking at his comments today looks like he's starting to become frustrated with whats going on behind the scenes. Fergie walked out, as did McCann, and if we're not careful so will Moore.
It's as clear as day now that what we were fed by Baldwin about top 6 being the target and having one of the best budgets in the league is total codswallop.
We lost all our highest earners, got £2m for JM and got to the 5th round of the cup and Play Offs... where has that money gone??
We've signed conference quality players to replace Marquis and seem to only be interested in loan deals. Nothing wrong with loans but there is when it's seemingly the only type of signing we want to make.
Summer recruitment was bad enough, this month was the biggest transfer window I can remember (what a chance to go for promotion, poor league) and we're hearing from the manager that if we don't sign anyone he'll be frustrated, like it actually could happen!! Not to mention we've already lost 4 players! Absolutely unbelievable.
If we had won today would you have posted this?
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Brentford certainly wouldn't be allowed to have 110 million invested by their owner they would be breaking the ffp rules and as far as I know they haven’t been sanctioned for this.
What I do know is Brentford over the last 2/3 years have recouped around 90 million quid from player sales and over the same period spent around a 3rd of that.
Therefore as I said earlier their recruitment is outstanding, they’re still at the top end of the championship and are still finding players cheap and selling them on for fortunes.
Brentford are definitely a club we can aspire to
Yeah they use data analytics to sign players.
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Yes they follow the moneyball model
if you look at the money they’ve received over the last 2/3 years it’s unbelievable for a club of that stature.
And now they’re spending a small percentage of that money but beforehand they were never big spenders and even now they’re only spending around a 3rd of their income
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Brentford certainly wouldn't be allowed to have 110 million invested by their owner they would be breaking the ffp rules and as far as I know they haven’t been sanctioned for this.
What I do know is Brentford over the last 2/3 years have recouped around 90 million quid from player sales and over the same period spent around a 3rd of that.
Therefore as I said earlier their recruitment is outstanding, they’re still at the top end of the championship and are still finding players cheap and selling them on for fortunes.
Brentford are definitely a club we can aspire to
Again, I am giving you facts here. You need to understand the difference between facts and your own views and opinions.
Financial Football News Review 2019 of Championship clubs at end of last season 2018/19 (published May 2019) quote: “Debt levels hence increased from £59.7m to £71.0m (19%) after these new loans, which took Matthew Benham’s investment in the club to £113.9m”.
You know the Father Ted episode with Dougal and the plastic toy cow? It is small because it is far away and large because it is closer to you?
Well, a fact is “something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information“. This is different to your own view, that is something you may well genuinely and sincerely believe, but is not necessarily a fact and not necessarily (seemingly rarely if ever) even related to fact.
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I think the frustration is, we are constantly told we have a play off budget, but in the eyes of most, the quality of our team doesn’t match up to that. Disclaimer: This is an opinion.
I believe at the moment DM is overachieving with what he has at his disposal. Most of our first XI are decent, but there are very few options beyond that to change a tight game, as demonstrated today. That’s the difference between an OK team and a good team.
I would also question the club’s transfer policy (if there is one). It all seems to rely too heavily on the Manager, and there is a worrying tendency to believe that loans and quick fixes are the answer. To be honest (and I’ll be surprised if I’m alone) I’m sick of seeing the team built around loans. If they’re any good they will only go and sign for a higher/richer club when their loan is finished (a la Wilks, Kane, Downing), and if they’re no good we won’t want to keep them anyway. Is it beyond the wit of a bunch of very smart and savvy business people to see that we can turn a good profit on good players (such as Marquis) and then go on and find the next good player we can sign on a permanent and develop? There doesn’t seem to be that kind of succession planning in place.
And before it’s said - Idah on an 18 month loan isn’t a long term solution either. At the end of it, he’s still not our player to sell or keep hold of.
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I think the frustration is, we are constantly told we have a play off budget, but in the eyes of most, the quality of our team doesn’t match up to that. Disclaimer: This is an opinion.
I believe at the moment DM is overachieving with what he has at his disposal. Most of our first XI are decent, but there are very few options beyond that to change a tight game, as demonstrated today. That’s the difference between an OK team and a good team.
I would also question the club’s transfer policy (if there is one). It all seems to rely too heavily on the Manager, and there is a worrying tendency to believe that loans and quick fixes are the answer. To be honest (and I’ll be surprised if I’m alone) I’m sick of seeing the team built around loans. If they’re any good they will only go and sign for a higher/richer club when their loan is finished (a la Wilks, Kane, Downing), and if they’re no good we won’t want to keep them anyway. Is it beyond the wit of a bunch of very smart and savvy business people to see that we can turn a good profit on good players (such as Marquis) and then go on and find the next good player we can sign on a permanent and develop? There doesn’t seem to be that kind of succession planning in place.
And before it’s said - Idah on an 18 month loan isn’t a long term solution either. At the end of it, he’s still not our player to sell or keep hold of.
We could have a top 6 budget and a poor squad though. Moore might have quite a big chunk left to spend this month.
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the investment as I’m sure you’re aware will include the money he spent purchasing the club.
Look at the accounts they lost less than 2 million last year, aren't our owners making up bigger deficits than this every year?
People moan about folk on this forum but your manner and the way you talk to people is more than a little embarrassing.
There’s not many posts at all made by you which don’t come across as someone attempting to act clever, I can read your posts and know straight away it was written by you without looking at the author.
Usually a person attempting to talk down to people all smarmy, clever, have many issues.
I only hope you can sort these out
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I think the frustration is, we are constantly told we have a play off budget, but in the eyes of most, the quality of our team doesn’t match up to that. Disclaimer: This is an opinion.
I believe at the moment DM is overachieving with what he has at his disposal. Most of our first XI are decent, but there are very few options beyond that to change a tight game, as demonstrated today. That’s the difference between an OK team and a good team.
I would also question the club’s transfer policy (if there is one). It all seems to rely too heavily on the Manager, and there is a worrying tendency to believe that loans and quick fixes are the answer. To be honest (and I’ll be surprised if I’m alone) I’m sick of seeing the team built around loans. If they’re any good they will only go and sign for a higher/richer club when their loan is finished (a la Wilks, Kane, Downing), and if they’re no good we won’t want to keep them anyway. Is it beyond the wit of a bunch of very smart and savvy business people to see that we can turn a good profit on good players (such as Marquis) and then go on and find the next good player we can sign on a permanent and develop? There doesn’t seem to be that kind of succession planning in place.
And before it’s said - Idah on an 18 month loan isn’t a long term solution either. At the end of it, he’s still not our player to sell or keep hold of.
We could have a top 6 budget and a poor squad though. Moore might have quite a big chunk left to spend this month.
He may well do. Will he do so or not do we think?
The current line we are told (which I have no reason to disbelieve) is that he is biding his time and trying to find the right players - but how long do you wait? Surely having your 2nd or 3rd choice is better than having nobody (or Kwame Thomas)?
If we go into the next pre-season with 8 contracted players, will we still “bide our time” and wait for “the right ones”? Or will a sense of urgency kick in that we actually need some bodies through the door?
That’s how I feel about it at the moment. L1 is wide open with no real outstanding looking teams, a play-off place is surely there for the taking. It’s a great opportunity, but do we want to be decisive and try to grasp it, or not?
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the investment as I’m sure you’re aware will include the money he spent purchasing the club.
Look at the accounts they lost less than 2 million last year, aren't our owners making up bigger deficits than this every year?
People moan about folk on this forum but your manner and the way you talk to people is more than a little embarrassing.
There’s not many posts at all made by you which don’t come across as someone attempting to act clever, I can read your posts and know straight away it was written by you without looking at the author.
Usually a person attempting to talk down to people all smarmy, clever, have many issues.
I only hope you can sort these out
Ignoring the ad hominem attack - which on reflection in the morning you will probably be embarrassed about - perhaps think whether you might want to take up a different hobby or pastime during the transfer windows? Last window there was a meltdown and it does appear that you are heading in the same direction. Whether the club does or does not sign players that you deem appropriate, is not the end of the world and certainly nothing to get so personally invested that you lose control of your emotions.
We have a great club going places! (up rather than down, into League Two).
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You’ve just proven what I said.
You don’t seem to be able to talk normally to people.
Our discussion had nothing to do with missing out on signings, the forum is awash with people far more intelligent than me who state we need new faces yet you never seem to take them to task.
Back to our discussion, you said Brentford are reliant on their owner, I’ve shown you that they’ve received almost 90 million from player sales and spent a 3rd of that.
So they aren’t reliant on him at all they’re progressing using the funds they’ve received from outstanding player recruitment
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Final try. I didn’t say Brentford are reliant on their owner. That is just not a statement I have made.
What I did say is that the owner has invested £110m into the club (which you said Brentford would not be allowed to have this occur - but it is factually correct that the owner has invested that sum (in fact more) as I said). If the model was self-sustaining I doubt very much the owner would have had to have invested such a colossal sum.
What is also true is that the club debt has just about doubled over the last four seasons and they have turned a loss every season while he and his model has been in place.
Someone has to finance this club to a very significant sum even though they do (as I said) have an odd model which turns decent transfer business in recent seasons.
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How can it not be self sustaining?
They’ve recouped 90 million in transfer sales over the last 3 years and spent less than 30 million.
Where is this 60 million going?
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I wonder if DM’s demise at WBA was down to being indecisive or stubborn?
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I wonder if DM’s demise at WBA was down to being indecisive or stubborn?
Stubborn in his Loyalty I would say. I've Explained before. Up unti Christmas 2018 he had no No. 2 He chose Graeme Jones who was Belguim Assistant Coach. We spent a shedload buying him out. Anyway, although Moore liked him, The players and the backroom staff didn't. When Moore was on his own, we played a decent style and won. When Jones came the style changed as he got control and we lost a lot. Towards the end of February It came to light he was making unsanctioned contact to Luton to become their manager. After an investigation it seems he had used us to buy himself out of the Belguim contract so he wouldn't lose money while getting a No.1 job at a lower championship club for experience. He was fired quickly. Rumour has it when this happened Moore said he goes I go. This would explain why Moore was fired, when we in such a high position
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Having listened to DM's interview yesterday I think he's given all the information we need to understand the recruitment strategy. He want to construct a cohesive group of quality players and knows it takes a couple of seasons minimum to do it (SO'Ds success didn't happen overnight did it? and he was given a better hand to start with than DM was).
Given the state of the squad as it stands now, my view is that no matter what strengthening might be done in this window, promotion this season would require too much change to the squad in the summer for us to have a realistic chance of competing in the Championship next season. That is why (I believe) DM is right not to go off half-cocked signing 'plan B' players and if that is the case I am ok with that.
I can only suppose he isn't unduly concerned at the prospect of another raft of injuries like the one we have already suffered putting us in danger of going sliding down the table.
Nevertheless, to not make a start on the rebuild in this window would in my view be an opportunity missed and only extend the time his project is going to take. There is only so much the budget will stand in any given season and unless he's had assurances that unspent budget this season would be carried over then we need to get things moving.
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The Brentford model and my own clubs for that matter although we aren't as far down the road as they are make for an interesting debate .
Personally speaking I find it massively frustrating and Brentford have taken a few seasons to get to where they are .
You basically after to accept that you will lose your most talented players every transfer window .
No ifs no buts the right offer comes in and they are gone and that's hard to accept at times .
Brentford are at the stage where they can sell their 29 goal striker to Brighton for £20m and go out and buy two top quality championship centre backs in Pontus Janssen and Ethan Pinnock for a combined £10m .
You need some good championship seasons behind you before you can attract that calibre of player even if you have the money .
Something we discovered last summer as a newly promoted club .
We raised £9m through the sales of Pinnock , Lindsay and Kieffer Moore and placed bids of £2.1m for a young midfield star at Motherwell and £2.7m for a striker at Dynamo Dresden .
They didn't want to know because our brand isn't strong enough at championship level , this is a massive problem even if you have the wonga .
So the reality is it isn't that easy and we had to focus on more realistic targets which were more gambles than we'd have liked them to be at this level .
All plans contain flaws for clubs of our size looking to sustain championship football .
I also feel that Brentford as a London club also enjoy a location advantage something we don't consider up here in South Yorkshire .
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Darren Moore was In Crown Hotel in Bawtry could mean nothing but could mean he's meeting players or the board.
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Might be where he’s currently living
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.....or maybe just having a nice meal out.
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He’ll probably be getting indigestion, then.
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Darren Moore was In Crown Hotel in Bawtry could mean nothing but could mean he's meeting players or the board.
He lives there
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Why live in a hotel ?
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Why live in a hotel ?
Because it’s cold on the streets at night this time of year
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I'm sure when we first got him he spoke about how he got a house up here and hes moving up here. I hope he was meeting players or something.