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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: roversdude on January 18, 2020, 11:19:22 pm
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Anyone know the extent of his injury, any news on his contract?
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Anyone know the extent of his injury, any news on his contract?
According to DM a broken nose but he’ll live. His contract is ...... leaving in summer is my bet !
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
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Thomas and Bingham??
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I think his performances have dropped off in the last month or so. Possibly linked to all this.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority imo.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
But he's right Campsall, that's is what they are there for. And let's be straight here, football clubs rely heavily on agents and their relationships with agents to get them players they want, often clubs have relationships with an agent just to make contact with a players agent. So it's not a one street and all about player agents having clubs over, that's a thing of the very dark and distant past.
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I think his performances have dropped off in the last month or so. Possibly linked to all this.
I think it comes down to how we use the attacking areas of the pitch. Against Shrewsbury we managed to get the ball out to the left with space in front of Sads, and we scored two goals and created other chances from it. Yesterday, for example, we barely worked the ball out there at all. It wouldn’t have mattered if we’d had Kevin De Bruyne out there if you don’t get the ball to him. We either knocked it long to Ennis or played through Halliday and Taylor who, for all their efforts, didn’t create any chances other than Taylor’s shot.
It’s frustrating as we’ve seen that if Sadlier gets the ball in the right areas he can make things happen. James too who has showed he can do damage down the left. We just don’t seem to use both sides of the pitch in a balanced way.
I don’t feel it’s a loss of form personally, it’s an issue of how we use players. I don’t think anyone would shine out there in that system yesterday.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
But he's right Campsall, that's is what they are there for. And let's be straight here, football clubs rely heavily on agents and their relationships with agents to get them players they want, often clubs have relationships with an agent just to make contact with a players agent. So it's not a one street and all about player agents having clubs over, that's a thing of the very dark and distant past.
That may be the case but imo they are the worst thing to happen to our game in the last 25 years.
Far too much money going into their pockets and not being recycled around the football clubs which is where it should be going.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
But he's right Campsall, that's is what they are there for. And let's be straight here, football clubs rely heavily on agents and their relationships with agents to get them players they want, often clubs have relationships with an agent just to make contact with a players agent. So it's not a one street and all about player agents having clubs over, that's a thing of the very dark and distant past.
That may be the case but imo they are the worst thing to happen to our game in the last 25 years.
Far too much money going into their pockets and not being recycled around the football clubs which is where it should be going.
OK, thats your opinion.
Out of interest, have you actually had any contact with or ever spoken with a football/sports agent or actually had any exposure with an agency to actually understand what a players or clubs agency does Campsall?
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
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Thomas and Bingham??
They were signed out of the window, after we lost other players to injury, especially Sterling..
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
Are you for real?
If you put something on here that isn’t correct you’ve got to expect people picking you up on it.
I imagine there are bad agents and then there are excellent agents.
Not all of them will be trying to rip clubs off,
To make a sweeping statement like you keep doing is just wrong
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Campsall, open your eyes. However much of a cut agents are taking, it’s not isolated to Rovers. All players who are moving are being touted around by their agents who of course are looking for a cut. It’s the way it is. We aren’t missing out on targets by refusing to pay agents fees any more than any other League One club is.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.
Don’t know whether you are being sarcastic or not.
Suspect you are as i am intelligent enough to see that. ;)
Seriously though i am no more intelligent than the average man in the street as it happens. Believe it or not.
Pleased you think i am a few levels above most Rovers fans though. That’s very kind of you. :)
It is just unbelievable that people can’t see the situation DM was in when he arrived in July.
It was plainly obvious that he was not going to go out and rush to get new bodies in when he hadn’t had the opportunity to have a good look at the squad he inherited.
Marquis leaving in the final days of the window left him in no other position than to bring in a loan striker.
As for January well this topic is going round and round in circles isn’t it.
As DM himself said publicly “ January is a very difficult window to do deals as clubs are reluctant to let players leave”
Now seriously is that too difficult to understand or is DM lying.
In the summer there will be dozens upon dozens of players who are out of contract when our beleaguered manager will be in a position to get on with some serious recruitment for our ambitious Club. Yes ambitious they are.
Do you think DM would have come to us if we were not. Also do you think he is on a below ave League 1 salary. No he will not be.
Give the man a chance. Why is it we have to have instant success. Let him build the squad he wants and give him the required time to do it.
Seriously hope our manager doesn’t read the posts on this forum. He wouldn’t be able to sleep at nights.
Right i have said my piece.
No doubt many of you still think I am wrong but that’s not my problem that’s yours.
I can see where the club are going and i have the utmost respect for the way they go about the day to day business of running the club.
Proud to be a Rover. :rtid: :scarf:
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I and most people I know have used agents to look after employment interests and of course they take a cut when placing. It’s upscaled in football as a wealthier industry. I wouldn’t expect a football player to be looking after contract negotiations themselves, it’s too distracting and counter productive when they’re professional athletes with a remit to win games. Why shouldn’t we pay and deal with agents?
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
Are you for real?
If you put something on here that isn’t correct you’ve got to expect people picking you up on it.
I imagine there are bad agents and then there are excellent agents.
Not all of them will be trying to rip clubs off,
To make a sweeping statement like you keep doing is just wrong
Just said there are good agents as well as bad ones. Do you read my posts!!!
No sweeping statements made at all.
There is good and bad in all walks of life. This forum is a pretty good example of that at times.
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Yep
You said they’re in the minority,
How do you know?
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Yep
You said they’re in the minority,
How do you know?
I don’t know, it is my opinion. Nearly all my posts are just opinions.
You obviously do know that they are in a majority or minority i suspect.
Can we end it there as you are coming back to me on every post again. Please can we leave this one there.
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Campsall, open your eyes. However much of a cut agents are taking, it’s not isolated to Rovers. All players who are moving are being touted around by their agents who of course are looking for a cut. It’s the way it is. We aren’t missing out on targets by refusing to pay agents fees any more than any other League One club is.
Don’t worry Nick my eyes are well and truly open. More than can be said about some.
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Works 2 ways Campsall, you go at Dickos he goes at you. If you give it you have to be able to take it
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Works 2 ways Campsall, you go at Dickos he goes at you. If you give it you have to be able to take it
Fair enough but i am being accused of saying things i clearly have not said as he doesn’t read my posts correctly.
Surely i am allowed to point that out.
I am not looking for an argument we are supposed to be having a discussion and Dickos seems to want to turn it into an argument which is crazy.
We are both supposed to have the interests of the club we both support at heart.
Why is it impossible to have a sensible discussion without being told my opinions which is all that they are of course are wrong. :facepalm:
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Yep
You said they’re in the minority,
How do you know?
I don’t know, it is my opinion. Nearly all my posts are just opinions.
You obviously do know that they are in a majority or minority i suspect.
Can we end it there as you are coming back to me on every post again. Please can we leave this one there.
Campsall I see you have conveniently not answered my question in my last post, that maybe because it slipped your notice but you seem to have answered everyone else's posts to you?
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Works 2 ways Campsall, you go at Dickos he goes at you. If you give it you have to be able to take it
Fair enough but i am being accused of saying things i clearly have not said as he doesn’t read my posts correctly.
Surely i am allowed to point that out.
I am not looking for an argument we are supposed to be having a discussion and Dickos seems to want to turn it into an argument which is crazy.
We are both supposed to have the interests of the club we both support at heart.
Why is it impossible to have a sensible discussion without being told my opinions which is all that they are of course are wrong. :facepalm:
But I’m saying nothing different to what others are saying to you, yet it’s me looking for an argument
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
Do you know how argumentative a person you are. You would argue blue is black and orange is red.
Yes of course that’s what they are for. Doesn’t make it a good thing though does it.
Give it a rest.
But he's right Campsall, that's is what they are there for. And let's be straight here, football clubs rely heavily on agents and their relationships with agents to get them players they want, often clubs have relationships with an agent just to make contact with a players agent. So it's not a one street and all about player agents having clubs over, that's a thing of the very dark and distant past.
That may be the case but imo they are the worst thing to happen to our game in the last 25 years.
Far too much money going into their pockets and not being recycled around the football clubs which is where it should be going.
OK, thats your opinion.
Out of interest, have you actually had any contact with or ever spoken with a football/sports agent or actually had any exposure with an agency to actually understand what a players or clubs agency does Campsall?
No I haven’t.
So do you think Agents in general are a good thing for Football or do you think the game was in a better place before the advent of Agents?
Genuine question.
Before i get lambasted again may i point out that i believe there are good ones and bad ones.
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Yes agents are necessary - someone has to hell the players sort contracts and transfers etc.
However the agents work for the players, but clubs pay the fees.. that’s an oddity isn’t it.?
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Yes agents are necessary - someone has to hell the players sort contracts and transfers etc.
However the agents work for the players, but clubs pay the fees.. that’s an oddity isn’t it.?
It sounds like an oddity but I’m not sure it’s that much of one really. It’s just an upscaling of everyday life. I’ve signed up to agencies before and they work on my behalf to find a lucrative employment opportunity. Companies pay agencies to find them good staff.
If we want good players then dealing with agents is inevitable.
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I’m not disputing that, they are here to stay..
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IDM - I work for a tech company, not football related in the slightest. We’ve paid recruitment agents fees of 10-20% for introducing us to candidates dozens of times in the past year, and it’s the company that has paid that, not the employees - is it really that different to how it works in football? It happens in all industries.
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Yes indeed, completely get that. We do the same at our place.
It’s probably just the scale of the numbers associate with fees is football that has inflated win wages, especially at the top end. It’s when footballers are earning in one week more than what our employees earn in a whole year which illustrates the scale..
The point is then stretched to agents “negotiating” higher player wages to get bigger fees for themselves..
Be clear, I don’t have an issue with agents in the game in general.
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Yes agents are necessary - someone has to hell the players sort contracts and transfers etc.
However the agents work for the players, but clubs pay the fees.. that’s an oddity isn’t it.?
Not really, recruitment fees arent paid by those recruited either.....
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See above, the point re football agents is about the excessive scales..
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
and 99% of every agent in the land will do things to the best interest of them Dickos you used to have some really valid points but sorry mate youve lost it
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Yep
You said they’re in the minority,
How do you know?
I don’t know, it is my opinion. Nearly all my posts are just opinions.
You obviously do know that they are in a majority or minority i suspect.
Can we end it there as you are coming back to me on every post again. Please can we leave this one there.
Campsall I see you have conveniently not answered my question in my last post, that maybe because it slipped your notice but you seem to have answered everyone else's posts to you?
Are you an agent?
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
and 99% of every agent in the land will do things to the best interest of them Dickos you used to have some really valid points but sorry mate youve lost it
Why you just replying to me with that comment, there’s plenty of others stating what I’ve said.
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Sadlier and his representatives have not agreed the new contract he’s been offered. We have been told that getting new signings in is not a money issue. Therefore one can assume Sadlier’s contract is not a money issue and must be time related. He says he is happy here so we should be able to convince him to sign.
On the flip side he could be just running his contract down, as he did in Ireland, to get better deal elsewhere in the summer.
Leaving it to his agent to sort. That’s what i have been told he said.
Need i say any more. They aren’t a problem are they. Not much they are not.
Yes as i said there are some good agents but they are in a minority.
Almost every player in the land will leave it to their agent.
That’s what they are there for
and 99% of every agent in the land will do things to the best interest of them Dickos you used to have some really valid points but sorry mate youve lost it
No sorry you have that completely wrong. Best interest of their client, player or club. As I have said before agencies work for clubs as well as players. Clubs that complain about agents are not being truthful as they rely on agents at times to work for them when they identify players they want as a club.
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Yep
You said they’re in the minority,
How do you know?
I don’t know, it is my opinion. Nearly all my posts are just opinions.
You obviously do know that they are in a majority or minority i suspect.
Can we end it there as you are coming back to me on every post again. Please can we leave this one there.
Campsall I see you have conveniently not answered my question in my last post, that maybe because it slipped your notice but you seem to have answered everyone else's posts to you?
Are you an agent?
Me, an agent lol, dont be daft.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.
Don’t know whether you are being sarcastic or not.
Suspect you are as i am intelligent enough to see that. ;)
Seriously though i am no more intelligent than the average man in the street as it happens. Believe it or not.
Pleased you think i am a few levels above most Rovers fans though. That’s very kind of you. :)
It is just unbelievable that people can’t see the situation DM was in when he arrived in July.
It was plainly obvious that he was not going to go out and rush to get new bodies in when he hadn’t had the opportunity to have a good look at the squad he inherited.
Marquis leaving in the final days of the window left him in no other position than to bring in a loan striker.
As for January well this topic is going round and round in circles isn’t it.
As DM himself said publicly “ January is a very difficult window to do deals as clubs are reluctant to let players leave”
Now seriously is that too difficult to understand or is DM lying.
In the summer there will be dozens upon dozens of players who are out of contract when our beleaguered manager will be in a position to get on with some serious recruitment for our ambitious Club. Yes ambitious they are.
Do you think DM would have come to us if we were not. Also do you think he is on a below ave League 1 salary. No he will not be.
Give the man a chance. Why is it we have to have instant success. Let him build the squad he wants and give him the required time to do it.
Seriously hope our manager doesn’t read the posts on this forum. He wouldn’t be able to sleep at nights.
Right i have said my piece.
No doubt many of you still think I am wrong but that’s not my problem that’s yours.
I can see where the club are going and i have the utmost respect for the way they go about the day to day business of running the club.
Proud to be a Rover. :rtid: :scarf:
War and peace !!!
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I've been told he won't be signing the current deal. Wants to try his luck with hull in the championship next season or any championship club that will take him. If rovers make it he may reconsider the offer
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I’ve been told he wants to stay, and it’s in the clubs hands whether he stays or not. He’s had interest from championship clubs but not hull
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And I’ve been told....
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f**k all.!! Let’s just wait and see.?
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Calm down dear
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Give it a rest Dickos..
You and someone else posted different things that you both have been “told”.. they can’t both be correct. My point is that none of us really know.
And I am perfectly calm thank you very much..
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I don't get the panic tbh,people are talking as if he's some red hot property.In my opinion he is nowhere near championship level yet,his performances are far to inconsistent even at this level.He did absolutely nothing on Saturday and that wasn't his only poor performance recently.
If he signs the deal offered then okay lets see how much more development he has in him.If he doesn't then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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I've been told he won't be signing the current deal. Wants to try his luck with hull in the championship next season or any championship club that will take him. If rovers make it he may reconsider the offer
I've been told that you don't have a clue ............ not sure I believe them though..
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Give it a rest Dickos..
You and someone else posted different things that you both have been “told”.. they can’t both be correct. My point is that none of us really know.
And I am perfectly calm thank you very much..
It all depends on who’s told you,
Anyhow it would be a bit of a disaster if he left for nothing, he’s a valuable asset as were the majority of the players that left on a free last year.
It’s ridiculous that we let players like this get to the last few months of their contract
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Give it a rest Dickos..
You and someone else posted different things that you both have been “told”.. they can’t both be correct. My point is that none of us really know.
And I am perfectly calm thank you very much..
It all depends on who’s told you,
Anyhow it would be a bit of a disaster if he left for nothing, he’s a valuable asset as were the majority of the players that left on a free last year.
It’s ridiculous that we let players like this get to the last few months of their contract
Apart from Anderson and Whiteman.
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Just out of interest Dicko's what do you rate about him so highly that it would be a disaster??? For me he's a pretty average player we could replace pretty easily.Yes he has a decent shot on him but apart from that he doesn't stand out that much in any other department??
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Give it a rest Dickos..
You and someone else posted different things that you both have been “told”.. they can’t both be correct. My point is that none of us really know.
And I am perfectly calm thank you very much..
It all depends on who’s told you,
Anyhow it would be a bit of a disaster if he left for nothing, he’s a valuable asset as were the majority of the players that left on a free last year.
It’s ridiculous that we let players like this get to the last few months of their contract
Apart from Anderson and Whiteman.
Of course
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Just out of interest Dicko's what do you rate about him so highly that it would be a disaster??? For me he's a pretty average player we could replace pretty easily.Yes he has a decent shot on him but apart from that he doesn't stand out that much in any other department??
He’s a goalscorer, there aren’t too many players that score the goals he does when not striker.
He also creates chances for players, is good on the ball, technically very good.
We sometimes don’t play to his strengths and he has quiet games as all players do.
But if we allowed him to leave on a free I think he’d end up in the championship similar to Rowe.
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It's a game of opinions I guess,Personally I wouldn't say he's that good technically or that he creates that much but I guess the stats will tell the tale on that.I haven't seen him create space by beating a man for a long time.
I'm not saying he isn't a decent player I'm just not as convinced he's anywhere near as good as a lot of people are making out..
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It's a game of opinions I guess,Personally I wouldn't say he's that good technically or that he creates that much but I guess the stats will tell the tale on that.I haven't seen him create space by beating a man for a long time.
I'm not saying he isn't a decent player I'm just not as convinced he's anywhere near as good as a lot of people are making out..
You are of course absolutely right WC, it is all about opinions, we all like different types of players and see different things in them. Typically players that you notice more will be the players that play to a style that you like or, if you have played football yourself, play the game like you did or in the position that you played, it's natural to do that.
Sadlier divides opinion because of the way he plays the game, he is not going to thunder into tackles but then nor should he in todays game as its about defending as a team. He's also an athlete that has a very languid running style until you see him running alongside players who are quite quick and then you realise he is actually deceptively quick himself, He works hard and goes about his game quietly and effectively. He has the ability to go around a player but will do that with quick feet rather than pushing it and going at speed although sometimes he will do that, the goal at home to Peterborough this season comes to mind there. He can also pass a ball very well and has an eye for a pass whether short triangle passes that he likes to play that in turn gets us playing or long range cross field passes that switch play. His close control is typically very good as well and he likes to play a ball first time without bringing it under control first.
Yes he has a good shot on him, but you say that in a dismissive way yet he has and I am sure will continue to use his shooting ability to good effect both from short and long range and with both feet, he can shoot and cross with both feet very accurately, he is also very good in the air.
But again, its all about personal opinion isn't it. I read a very good book recently that I would recommend to anyone that likes their football - it's Andreas Pirlo's autobiography called - "I think therefore I play". Read it, its vey interesting and covers the whole of his career. There is an interesting piece in there about his father always getting into arguments and occasionally fights with his own home fans because his father would stand in the crowd and would have to listen to the derogatory comments being made about his son by his own fans which his father naturally struggled with. To the point where he took issue with it. My point is, if not already obvious, is those fans were voicing their opinion about a player who was/ went on to be one of the best players in the world and it just goes to show that we all have opinions based on what we all individually see in a player.
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I loved Andrea Pirlo. Absolute Rolls Royce of a player. I believe he started his career as a forward as well - maybe Sadlier will follow his lead, grow a beard and become an exceptional deep lying playmaker. Not sure he'll look as good as Pirlo did, though.
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Saw him play at NYC. Looks like the Hound from Game of Thrones..
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Saw him play at NYC. Looks like the Hound from Game of Thrones..
That is a disgusting slur and I think you should take it back immediately!
It’s like saying Chris Evans looks like Julianne Moore just because they’re both redheads...
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Haha..!
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Player agents are necessary to ensure the player gets the best deal they can in a contract negotiation and rightly so, they are the valuable commodity. Unlike employment agents whose role is to find people from a pool of millions with the requisite skills to fill a job.
In football, the club has a scouting network to identify their target from a VERY small pool of candidates. Quite honestly likening football agents to employment agents is ludicrous. Football agents represent the player and should therefore be paid by the player.
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Player agents are necessary to ensure the player gets the best deal they can in a contract negotiation and rightly so, they are the valuable commodity. Unlike employment agents whose role is to find people from a pool of millions with the requisite skills to fill a job.
In football, the club has a scouting network to identify their target from a VERY small pool of candidates. Quite honestly likening football agents to employment agents is ludicrous. Football agents represent the player and should therefore be paid by the player.
It’s not entirely ludicrous. I have had employment agents represent me to find me a lucrative position. I don’t pay them for it, they are paid by the company recruiting. It’s obviously upscaled in football but it’s far from an alien concept.
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Campsall:
I can see where the club are going and i have the utmost respect for the way they go about the day to day business of running the club.
Hurrah! That's two of us!
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So Jonathan, you put your name on an employment agent's books. When they matched you with a job the employer paid the fee. That's exactly how an employment agency operates.
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So Jonathan, you put your name on an employment agent's books. When they matched you with a job the employer paid the fee. That's exactly how an employment agency operates.
Do you think I should have paid the fee?
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Not at all, Jonathan. That's my point, player agents operate opposite to employment agents.
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Not at all, Jonathan. That's my point, player agents operate opposite to employment agents.
And I’ve pointed out similarities. As a valuable professional commodity I’ve used select agencies to find me the best opportunity that I don’t have the time or inclination to seek out myself. They make the arrangements on my behalf, I take the salary, the agent is paid for brokering the deal by my employer. I wouldn’t say it’s the opposite.
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I would. Why? In football the prospective employees are out there in full view of those interested in employing them, why do you think Darren Moore has his 'A List' and his 'B List'? In the big wide world of employment for the masses (and I do include valuable professional commodities in that) the employee either puts himself in front of the prospective employer by speculative enquiries, applying for an advertised position or signing up with an employment agency.
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I would. Why? In football the prospective employees are out there in full view of those interested in employing them, why do you think Darren Moore has his 'A List' and his 'B List'? In the big wide world of employment for the masses (and I do include valuable professional commodities in that) the employee either puts himself in front of the prospective employer by speculative enquiries, applying for an advertised position or signing up with an employment agency.
Or gets headhunted by a company that has its plan A and plan B list.
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You put yourself in front of the agent. Headhunting is something different.
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Many times employment agencies contact people (and I include myself in this) to see if they’re still happy in their current role or whether they may wish to look for a more lucrative offer elsewhere.
By the way I think we should give this up now and accept there are some differences and some similarities. I don’t see why clubs shouldn’t pay the agent.
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Many times employment agencies contact people (and I include myself in this) to see if they’re still happy in their current role or whether they may wish to look for a more lucrative offer elsewhere.
By the way I think we should give this up now and accept there are some differences and some similarities. I don’t see why clubs shouldn’t pay the agent.
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They pay agents for all sorts of different services, which was my point earlier in the thread.
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Blackpool didn’t pay agents for quite a while or very little, the problem was the manager said he had a list of targets and by the time he managed to get anyone he was on his 5th list
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.
No idea indeed.
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Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!
Brilliant post Cbrover24 Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.
Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.
No idea indeed.
Colin C with the IQ of 3
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Sadlier is out of the Sunderland fixture....
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/fitness-update-kieran-sadlier-heading-doncaster-rovers-trip-sunderland-1372684