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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Super Colin Cramb on January 19, 2020, 01:20:07 pm
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
Playing out from the back is ok if the players are comfortable with it, clearly ours are not, because 90% of the time we get rushed and end up lumping it up anyway and lose possession
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The system can’t be that bad, we’ve won 3 on the trot before yesterday. I could scream at our fans, so impatient, moronic!
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
Playing out from the back is ok if the players are comfortable with it, clearly ours are not, because 90% of the time we get rushed and end up lumping it up anyway and lose possession
I don't think that's fair Filo. Yesterday, in the second half especially I thought we were very good at playing the ball through the Coventry midfield.
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The issue is we were losing and all we were doing were passing it back along the back 4 can’t score if the balls on your own area.
I understand that they had all ten players behind the ball but we put didn’t put enough pressure on them or have really any shots from outside the area
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I’ve been fortunate enough to watch Liverpool play at Anfield and when the ball goes backwards or sideways they applaud as they seem to understand the importance of keeping possession. I understand our players aren’t to that standard but doesn’t help when the crowd slate the players for trying to play the game the right way. The more we try it the better we will become. It doesn’t help having cavemen shouting “gerret forrad” which leads to giving the ball way.
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I’m all for possession of the ball , but I tend to think that the players aren’t keen on it, seem to panic on occasions and either putting themselves or a teammate under pressure
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I’m all for possession of the ball , but I tend to think that the players aren’t keen on it, seem to panic on occasions and either putting themselves or a teammate under pressure
Every player in a team has a role and will have their comfort zones when on the ball, we just need to make sure that the players that do get on the ball and make things happen in the middle and last third of the pitch are the right ones, not sure we do that enough yet.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
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Totally agree, we as supporters need to be patient. It’s a transition which I am confident will bring results and attractive football in the long run.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
You are correct and yes you did read this yesterday, albeit it, we are on equal terms with two other clubs (Ipswich & Sunderland) on 24 goals conceded. We have also scored the 6th equal highest number of goals in the division as well and still have 2 games in hand on the majority of other sides in the division, giving us the 4th highest goal difference. Not bad for a side with out a recognised CF is it!?
Something a few posters on here should consider before spouting off about goals scored or playing from the back blah, blah, blah.................
As regards your question - not absolutely sure but 1 possibly 2 goals have been conceded through losing the ball when playing out from the back, I can definitely recall one for sure.
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I'm all for the team playing from the back and keeping its shape throughout the game. Tip-tapping the ball across the back four and then back to the keeper is exactly the right thing to do when you're winning with 5 minutes to go, but not when you're losing! In desperate situations like being one-nil down with 5 minutes to go, it makes sense (to me) to stop f**king about wasting time and GERRIT FORRAD!
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With the amount of overseas players in the game with really exotic names there must surely be a Gerrit Forrad playing somewhere
What a signing he would be !
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
My ST is also in the west stand, where I sit there is at least 3 people around me I’m convinced only go to shout abuse at the team. Their is one certain senior citizen who sits only a couple of chairs away that literally screams at DM the whole game.
My girlfriend grew up a Weeds fan and I’ve finally converted her to come join me and get a season ticket, after having one at Bellend Road for a few years. She can’t believe how bad the shouting, at our own players, gets to some times.
Some games I honestly leave, even when we win, and think what the actual f£&k is our fan base. I used to think Newcastle had the worst fans but I’m starting to question that now.
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
we did it far too much of that yesterday
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When will some of our fans understand that lumping it forward to players like Ennis, Taylor, Copps and Sadlier will result in giving possession to the opponent. I am quite prepared to be patient and wait for the right opportunity to present itself by passing the ballot sideways and back if needed. The amount of our fans shouting abuse at Darren Moore about lumping forward from where I sit (west stand) is incredible and very annoying. Darren is clearly wanting to play attractive football so let’s all get behind it.
My ST is also in the west stand, where I sit there is at least 3 people around me I’m convinced only go to shout abuse at the team. Their is one certain senior citizen who sits only a couple of chairs away that literally screams at DM the whole game.
My girlfriend grew up a Weeds fan and I’ve finally converted her to come join me and get a season ticket, after having one at Bellend Road for a few years. She can’t believe how bad the shouting, at our own players, gets to some times.
Some games I honestly leave, even when we win, and think what the actual f£&k is our fan base. I used to think Newcastle had the worst fans but I’m starting to question that now.
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I sit in the East Stand and have to listen to it as well. Imagine being a player at DRFC and hearing that from your own so called fans in the stands and then having to read that sh**e on twitter as well.
Some of the comments and views on here as well as twitter are so far from reality, it's actually quite scary that they can get it so wrong. But then when I attend games I can see why. The vast majority of those same fans that shout abuse at the team and spout utter rubbish on social media aren't really interested in the teams performance, they aren't concentrating on the game but on having a good time with their mates instead, or acting the fool or typing or talking into their phones.
No idea how you can have an opinion on a players performance or on the game if you haven't watched the game properly. Social media has an awful lot to answer for as well, personally speaking I hate twitter, facebook, Instagram etc which is why I don't contribute to any of them.
BTW - the Oxford/English interpretation of a Fan in the context of being a football fan is as follows: fan definition: Someone who admires and supports a person, sport or sports team - southing a good few DRFC fans should think on.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
You are correct and yes you did read this yesterday, albeit it, we are on equal terms with two other clubs (Ipswich & Sunderland) on 24 goals conceded. We have also scored the 6th equal highest number of goals in the division as well and still have 2 games in hand on the majority of other sides in the division, giving us the 4th highest goal difference. Not bad for a side with out a recognised CF is it!?
Something a few posters on here should consider before spouting off about goals scored or playing from the back blah, blah, blah.................
As regards your question - not absolutely sure but 1 possibly 2 goals have been conceded through losing the ball when playing out from the back, I can definitely recall one for sure.
ND, i brought up a couple of weeks ago, the subject of how many goals we have conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back and two was the number that came up.
I think it is actually the fans who panic about the style of play rather than the players.
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Get yourselves moved to the Beautiful South. You get the odd moaners but you have the added bonus of being able to move if you don't like who's close by. It's great.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
You are correct and yes you did read this yesterday, albeit it, we are on equal terms with two other clubs (Ipswich & Sunderland) on 24 goals conceded. We have also scored the 6th equal highest number of goals in the division as well and still have 2 games in hand on the majority of other sides in the division, giving us the 4th highest goal difference. Not bad for a side with out a recognised CF is it!?
Something a few posters on here should consider before spouting off about goals scored or playing from the back blah, blah, blah.................
As regards your question - not absolutely sure but 1 possibly 2 goals have been conceded through losing the ball when playing out from the back, I can definitely recall one for sure.
ND, i brought up a couple of weeks ago, the subject of how many goals we have conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back and two was the number that came up.
I think it is actually the fans who panic about the style of play rather than the players.
OK thanks for confirming, yes I agree.
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I’ve been fortunate enough to watch Liverpool play at Anfield and when the ball goes backwards or sideways they applaud as they seem to understand the importance of keeping possession. I understand our players aren’t to that standard but doesn’t help when the crowd slate the players for trying to play the game the right way. The more we try it the better we will become. It doesn’t help having cavemen shouting “gerret forrad” which leads to giving the ball way.
Funnily enough I brought a Liverpool fan the other week and he couldn’t believe people were so vocal at the players playing it out from the back/keeping possession. He said it should be applauded to give the players confidence rather than booing/shouting every time they’re trying to do what they’ve been told to do..
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I’ve been fortunate enough to watch Liverpool play at Anfield and when the ball goes backwards or sideways they applaud as they seem to understand the importance of keeping possession. I understand our players aren’t to that standard but doesn’t help when the crowd slate the players for trying to play the game the right way. The more we try it the better we will become. It doesn’t help having cavemen shouting “gerret forrad” which leads to giving the ball way.
Funnily enough I brought a Liverpool fan the other week and he couldn’t believe people were so vocal at the players playing it out from the back/keeping possession. He said it should be applauded to give the players confidence rather than booing/shouting every time they’re trying to do what they’ve been told to do..
I am on the same thought line as your mate karldew.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
You are correct and yes you did read this yesterday, albeit it, we are on equal terms with two other clubs (Ipswich & Sunderland) on 24 goals conceded. We have also scored the 6th equal highest number of goals in the division as well and still have 2 games in hand on the majority of other sides in the division, giving us the 4th highest goal difference. Not bad for a side with out a recognised CF is it!?
Something a few posters on here should consider before spouting off about goals scored or playing from the back blah, blah, blah.................
As regards your question - not absolutely sure but 1 possibly 2 goals have been conceded through losing the ball when playing out from the back, I can definitely recall one for sure.
ND, i brought up a couple of weeks ago, the subject of how many goals we have conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back and two was the number that came up.
I think it is actually the fans who panic about the style of play rather than the players.
Yep, the groans start building as soon as we play short now, or it did in the South Stand yesterday anyway.
People just can't see how we use the tactic to open teams up and play through them. We do it very well quite a lot. I try to applaud it as much as I can, for whatever good that does the team.
Some our fans have just completely lost patience, understanding and faith in the team and the club it seems recently. I've no idea why because we are doing fine, more than in fact.
Yesterday was the first time in a long time that I've felt like walking away from being in the crowd because of the negativity and vitriol around me. Ir was unpleasant and very tiresome to be around.
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Considering we have conceded the fewest goals in league one (I’m sure I read that yesterday but could be wrong), does anyone know exactly how many of those goals have been mistakes from playing out from the back? I would bet the number is lower than people might imagine.
There have also been examples of our goals that have come from playing out at the back.
It’s a bit of a transition season so have a bit of patience
You are correct and yes you did read this yesterday, albeit it, we are on equal terms with two other clubs (Ipswich & Sunderland) on 24 goals conceded. We have also scored the 6th equal highest number of goals in the division as well and still have 2 games in hand on the majority of other sides in the division, giving us the 4th highest goal difference. Not bad for a side with out a recognised CF is it!?
Something a few posters on here should consider before spouting off about goals scored or playing from the back blah, blah, blah.................
As regards your question - not absolutely sure but 1 possibly 2 goals have been conceded through losing the ball when playing out from the back, I can definitely recall one for sure.
ND, i brought up a couple of weeks ago, the subject of how many goals we have conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back and two was the number that came up.
I think it is actually the fans who panic about the style of play rather than the players.
Yep, the groans start building as soon as we play short now, or it did in the South Stand yesterday anyway.
People just can't see how we use the tactic to open teams up and play through them. We do it very well quite a lot. I try to applaud it as much as I can, for whatever good that does the team.
Some our fans have just completely lost patience, understanding and faith in the team and the club it seems recently. I've no idea why because we are doing fine, more than in fact.
Yesterday was the first time in a long time that I've felt like walking away from being in the crowd because of the negativity and vitriol around me. Ir was unpleasant and very tiresome to be around.
Agreed RA.
The Halliday haters behind me (who I mentioned on an earlier thread) were saying “why do we do this” when Dieng played a short ball to Anderson.
Clearly they have no idea.
.......and yes, it was quite unpleasant to hear some of that stuff,in the second half particularly.
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I’ve been fortunate enough to watch Liverpool play at Anfield and when the ball goes backwards or sideways they applaud as they seem to understand the importance of keeping possession. I understand our players aren’t to that standard but doesn’t help when the crowd slate the players for trying to play the game the right way. The more we try it the better we will become. It doesn’t help having cavemen shouting “gerret forrad” which leads to giving the ball way.
Funnily enough I brought a Liverpool fan the other week and he couldn’t believe people were so vocal at the players playing it out from the back/keeping possession. He said it should be applauded to give the players confidence rather than booing/shouting every time they’re trying to do what they’ve been told to do..
That’s what I am talking about, our players have been told to play a certain way by DM but get booed/berated when they do as requested by their manager. We need to be a lot more supportive and this will help player relax and be more confident.
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I have no problem at all with the team passing sideways at the back to create some space for the midfield to operate in. The problem on Saturday was the two Bens consistently lost the ball either to tackles or by simply passing the ball to an opposition player. The next line up either have to improve their off the ball running, or our midfield have to pass more accurately. Work harder coaches!
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Whilst playing out from the back is the modern way,i do believe sometime we get a little bit predictable with it.
Coventry had obviously done their homework on us with that.I noticed that as soon as the ball was in the goalkeepers hands they immediately looked up to see were our centre backs were and took a few paces closer to them..This resulted in them getting closed down very quickly forcing them to punt or concede possession.
I appreciate it's the modern way and suits our game but like anything else on a football pitch,if you do it every single time then it's countered.Occasional variety is needed with it..