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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Reesielad on January 24, 2020, 10:18:22 am
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Here is how important to us Ben Sheaf is, the abuse that this young lad gets from some of our support is ridiculous, He’s one we need to sign permanently imo as he is only going to get better and is constantly one of our better performers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he receives Championship interest come the Summer.
If you look at BA analytics on twitter the comparisons are great
Credit: https://twitter.com/blades_analytic/status/1220624014487572481?s=21
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I can’t believe some can’t see it, he has just as much potential as Whiteman, and possibly slightly better for the team given he can play in defence also.
I think he has been the better of the two this year, by a long way.
If we could, and have the chance to sign him, we simply have to do it.
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The fact that he gets any abuse is despicable and embarrassing. He’s a football player trying his best for our club. What gives anyone the right to shout abuse at him from the stands is beyond me!? Aside from which, Ben Sheaf is a good young player learning his trade. Of course he’ll make mistakes as he’s still developing, but he has lots of potential. If he’d come through our own youth programme everyone would be raving about him. We should be looking to sign him on a permanent contract and accelerate his development with us.
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Good player,
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I’m not sure he gets any abuse, what he does get though is critisism for giving the ball away often, cheaply and in dangerous positions. I think abuse is the wrong word entirely
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Just to lay out the quote from BA Analytic, who put this data together and is an impartial observer on Sheaf. And somebody employed to do this by a top League One side:
""Siri show me definition of a ball progressor and deep lying playmaker"
This is ridiculous. Passing lots, forwards, with precision, to areas of progression and defensively brilliant too"
The criticism Sheaf gets is absurd to me. Rovers fans just must have a scapegoat at all times and now May is gone, it has fallen on Sheaf. Go back and watch our two goals against Bristol Rovers, without Sheaf we don't score either of them.
He isn't perfect, few 21 year olds are. But he has bags of talent, contributes a lot to our play every week and could be a hell of a player in a few years time when he has a bit more experience.
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People notice and comment on any mistake, so on balance the criticism may come over as too much..
Happens all the time with our players, where their overall contributions seem to be missed.
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Filo
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Yep - good young player - one that I would hope Rovers would seek to extend beyond the end of the season or sign.....
... although I have to admit I haven't a clue what that spiders web tells me... :s
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
What a bizarre post...
You give a hypothetical scenario and then end it with..... Give it a rest :laugh:
...........and knitting???
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5 on Tour, your post takes it to the extremes. There's justifiable criticism of performances, sure, and as I said in my first post Sheaf is not perfect. He makes the wrong decision too often, sometimes he is caught out where he shouldn't be, but he does a lot of good and for me, just in my observations both at games and online, people are very quick to criticise him for one error, more so than they are most other Rovers players. Nobody would ever jump on Coppinger's misplaced passes like they do Sheaf's, yet they both make the same sorts of errors in that department.
Some of those who sit around me in the South Stand jump on him straight away. "Get him off", "he's useless", "he can't do owt right". I hear these things fairly regularly if Sheaf misplaces something, but the same fans are then very reticent to praise him when he does a defence-splitting through ball or drops the ball on Taylor's toe from 50 yards away.
It's unjustified and the stats and analysis back it up.
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
No you’re missing the point..
A player can make a couple of mistakes or poor passes in one game, and these can be highlighted afterwards. But there often isn’t a balance, and the negatives get exaggerated..
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I’m not sure he gets any abuse, what he does get though is critisism for giving the ball away often, cheaply and in dangerous positions. I think abuse is the wrong word entirely
Totally agree, plenty of our fan base love to exaggerate absolutely everything.
Iv never heard any abuse.
Good player I hope we sign him, I think we will.
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To be clear (I would’ve thought it was obvious but anyway...) with reference to abuse, I’m not talking about online discussion or evaluation of contribution on an internet forum. I’m talking about the audible shouts from the crowd along the lines of “f**k off Sheaf (or other player name) you useless ****!” That’s what I find unacceptable to a player wearing our shirt. And if you don’t hear it, then you must be in an area of the stadium I’ve not found yet, so fair play to you.
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And I got called a WUM the other day saying he could replace Whiteman.
I’m not sure he gets any abuse, what he does get though is critisism for giving the ball away often, cheaply and in dangerous positions. I think abuse is the wrong word entirely
You're right in that he loses the ball more than Whiteman. Sheaf 10.41 losses per90, 41.7% in his own half, Whiteman 8.71 per 90, 33.6 in his own half. However that will improve with experience as Whiteman has loads more experience than Sheaf. It has to be noted that Sheaf does win the ball a lot more than Whiteman too, Sheaf makes 21.34 duels a game compared to Whiteman's 12.88. Sheaf also wins on interceptions and recoveries.
Yep - good young player - one that I would hope Rovers would seek to extend beyond the end of the season or sign.....
... although I have to admit I haven't a clue what that spiders web tells me... :s
He's in the top 10% of players based on his data when it comes to interceptions, winning the ball back and making progressive forward passes. What you'd want from a player in the position he plays.
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There were some shouts of 'f*ck off back to Arsenal" from a couple of blokes when his pass was cut out yet, when he completed another good pass within seconds they said nothing.
I agree, he is a good player and with the same time frame to develop as Whiteman has had, there's no reason why he couldn't develop in to just as valuable player.
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That first para echos what I hear..
Plenty of red-faced alcohol fuelled supporters having a go when they see something going wrong, but barely showing any encouragement when something goes well..
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In the top 3 CMs for most progressive passes per 90 in League One. Whiteman is 1st, Sheaf is 3rd. Walsh from Coventry is 2nd.
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There were some shouts of 'f*ck off back to Arsenal" from a couple of blokes when his pass was cut out yet, when he completed another good pass within seconds they said nothing.
That will be the gerrit forrad crew...
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It's the same with the nervous ninnies when we pass it across the back line.
Bloke in front “Agghhh, ffs!"
Me" It's alright! “
Bloke "No it isn't!"
Me "We've still got the ball! “
At that point Halliday game zooming past us, laid it off to Taylor who cut inside and got a shot off.
For us to play at our best the passing and movement needs to be incisive and with that there's an element of risk but you have to take those risks, and Sheaf all too often is criticised for doing the right thing when a pass is intercepted. In the last game Whiteman played a couple of blind passes that went astray and nobody said owt. OK, Whiteman has credit in the bank, but we should also allow the same tolerance to Sheaf and the other players.
SO'D was big on encouraging players to take responsibility and not to fear making a mistake. I'm sure DM sings from the same hymn sheet so I wish fans would openly encourage that.
We'll see that tonight and hope that the fear factor doesn't outweigh the bravery on and off the ball.
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
What a bizarre post...
You give a hypothetical scenario and then end it with..... Give it a rest :laugh:
...........and knitting???
Hahahahahahaha. My post is bizarre? This coming from you? Christ.
I get the morse code alphabet out for most of your posts. They’ve got so many dots in them I thought it was a coded message asking for help!
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He’s been much better than whiteman over the last half a dozen games but whiteman gets no criticism
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I thought Whiteman got plenty of criticism after the Coventry game..?
Let’s face it, our players aren’t going to be at their very best every game, otherwise they would be playing at a higher level..
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I think, certainly on here, the criticism is fairly even. Whiteman and Copps have both had some stick on here recently for bad games.
Big Tom and Dieng are probably the only 2 to have not had much this season. Everyone else has had some.
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Filo
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Actually, its not correct. He gets abuse. Have a look at some of the comments on the facebook page about him. "Shit" seems to be the word many are happy to throw at him without any consideration of his contribution to our successes. These fans need to have a good hard look at themselves.
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
What a bizarre post...
You give a hypothetical scenario and then end it with..... Give it a rest :laugh:
...........and knitting???
Hahahahahahaha. My post is bizarre? This coming from you? Christ.
I get the morse code alphabet out for most of your posts. They’ve got so many dots in them I thought it was a coded message asking for help!
Don't be silly :facepalm:...... the morse code for help! would be .... . .-.. .--. -·-·--
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He’s been much better than whiteman over the last half a dozen games but whiteman gets no criticism
This is correct.
Whiteman the main man, Captain, on the big bucks, anonymous in most recent games.
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To be clear (I would’ve thought it was obvious but anyway...) with reference to abuse, I’m not talking about online discussion or evaluation of contribution on an internet forum. I’m talking about the audible shouts from the crowd along the lines of “f**k off Sheaf (or other player name) you useless ****!” That’s what I find unacceptable to a player wearing our shirt. And if you don’t hear it, then you must be in an area of the stadium I’ve not found yet, so fair play to you.
Never heard it loud enough it would transmit to the pitch where we sit Jono.
We’re in the West Stand half way between the goal & centre circle near the away end. Mind you, don’t hear much singing there either. In fact it’s like being on the set of ‘Cocoon’!
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If Sheaf and Whiteman have good games tonight they may really put them selves in the shop window.
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If Sheaf and Whiteman have good games tonight they may really put them selves in the shop window.
As in we sell Whiteman and buy Sheaf?
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If Sheaf and Whiteman have good games tonight they may really put them selves in the shop window.
As in we sell Whiteman and buy Sheaf?
That was a thought but since then it has been said Whiteman is not for sale.
But if they both have excellent games tonight then anything could happen in the summer.
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If Sheaf and Whiteman have good games tonight they may really put them selves in the shop window.
I hope they do. Football is one big shop window but I doubt they will be going out with 'Sale' signs on their back!
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
Then you were either not at the Peterborough game or concentrating on the game so hard that you didn't hear it.
Ben Sheaf was getting dogs abuse from a section of our own fans, it was horrible, what was worse was his family were stood close by and could hear every word. Far too many people on here every week and in the crowd with unqualified views about players and their performances without having the first idea about the game of football or indeed don't concentrate on the game when they are at the match, preferring instead to tweet ridiculous comments and generally have a laugh with their mates. Too many people with opinions that they safer on open forums or social media that are just attention seeking.
I sat in the East Stand last weekend and there was an idiot DRFC fan several rows behind me giving players abuse not 2 minutes after the game had just kicked off, making smart remarks - utterly ridiculous.
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Filo
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Actually, its not correct. He gets abuse. Have a look at some of the comments on the facebook page about him. "Shit" seems to be the word many are happy to throw at him without any consideration of his contribution to our successes. These fans need to have a good hard look at themselves.
90% of those on that facebook page have n’t got a clue what a game of football is
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Filo
correct
Actually, its not correct. He gets abuse. Have a look at some of the comments on the facebook page about him. "Shit" seems to be the word many are happy to throw at him without any consideration of his contribution to our successes. These fans need to have a good hard look at themselves.
90% of those on that facebook page have n’t got a clue what a game of football is
Your absolutely correct Filo, but thats the point, there are a good few on here as well I am afraid, so why do we stand by and let them get away with it when clearly they are talking out of their a***
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Because if you challenge anyone the chances are they will tell you to “f**k off” - as a minimum - regardless of how many kids are in earshot..
Sometimes it’s not worth the aggro.
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Sheaf has been excellent,in particular since Xmas.
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There is a few around where I sit that shout what I would call abuse, most of it starting or beginning with shit.
It’s away games where I hear most of the stuff that gets thrown at them. Like some people say the shouts are not only at Ben Sheaf but I feel he get most of it.
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Hope Sheaf Shines tonight!
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
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Agreed, this lad is improving & will be some player, hopefully with us, but, his passing under no pressure has a lot of room for improvement, gives it away far too cheaply, it can be frustrating to watch especially as we know how talented he is. I'm sure it will come.
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So I have seen no abuse directed towards him but people are entitled to criticise. If someone has a poor game with, for example Passing, we shouldn’t mention it? We shouldn’t say anything negative about it?
So we sign a new striker and he scores a hat-trick on debut. Over the next 5 games he then misses 10 open goals without scoring. We shouldn’t be negative about those misses because he scored that hat-trick? Give it a rest.
If a player has a bad game, either overall or in a specific way, we are all entitled to point it out and discuss it.
If people on here can’t cope with realism about an aspect of poor play then off to knitting they should go!
Then you were either not at the Peterborough game or concentrating on the game so hard that you didn't hear it.
Ben Sheaf was getting dogs abuse from a section of our own fans, it was horrible, what was worse was his family were stood close by and could hear every word. Far too many people on here every week and in the crowd with unqualified views about players and their performances without having the first idea about the game of football or indeed don't concentrate on the game when they are at the match, preferring instead to tweet ridiculous comments and generally have a laugh with their mates. Too many people with opinions that they safer on open forums or social media that are just attention seeking.
I sat in the East Stand last weekend and there was an idiot DRFC fan several rows behind me giving players abuse not 2 minutes after the game had just kicked off, making smart remarks - utterly ridiculous.
ND we have had enough debates on here for you to know that if we are playing then I’m there - barring illness.
I didn’t hear anything at Peterborough towards Sheaf. I was front row of the upper section on the very very left though so if it was across and up I wouldn’t have heard it. Plus, with my 6 year old in his current whiney stage I can’t usually hear myself think!
I don’t get why anyone would want to chant anything negative at our own players. On here I haven’t seen anything I would call abuse(if it’s from Elf or Michael then it doesn’t count) but plenty have pointed out poor aspects of play. Nothing wrong with that. No one is perfect at everything on a football pitch.
I do think we have too many people on here taking criticism as a personal attack. Gomes got huge abuse after his first couple of appearance on here but since then people have posted plenty of positive. We all have views and opinions and nobody on here should shoot down anyone for saying them - unless it’s of personal nature in which case they get what they deserve.
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
Did you go by the name of Comical Ali in another life? Goodness it could be yelled right in front of you and you’d only deny hearing it. If you honestly believe that none of our fans ever shout abuse at our players then I can only envy the world that you live in.
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
He was cheered off at Rochdale, you can’t deny that?
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
Did you go by the name of Comical Ali in another life? Goodness it could be yelled right in front of you and you’d only deny hearing it. If you honestly believe that none of our fans ever shout abuse at our players then I can only envy the world that you live in.
So you’re not able to say what the abuse was? Your mate down the road told you and you’re repeating what he said like a parrot? Were you there? If so, what was the abuse shouted at him? It’s your example so just explain. Is the question too difficult for you?
I’m not sure whether you’re intentionally being thick or whether you just struggle with logic... I say I didn’t hear it, I asked you to clarify what was said and you accuse me of denial.
You jump on every post made by anyone on this forum that you don’t agree with. Like it’s some sort of personal vendetta. Guess it’s my turn for your pathetic comments. You should envy the world I live in - As my head isn’t so far up my own arse that I can see the back of my own throat!
Reesie- Yes cheering was heard at the substitution. It shouldn’t have been but it was. Cheering a substitution is not abuse though.
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Yes of course you’re right, there was no abuse at all. Just relentless calls of encouragement and reassurance from all sections of the away end. Nobody cheered the substitution at all. They were just cheering because it was a beautiful day.
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
Did you go by the name of Comical Ali in another life? Goodness it could be yelled right in front of you and you’d only deny hearing it. If you honestly believe that none of our fans ever shout abuse at our players then I can only envy the world that you live in.
So you’re not able to say what the abuse was? Your mate down the road told you and you’re repeating what he said like a parrot? Were you there? If so, what was the abuse shouted at him? It’s your example so just explain. Is the question too difficult for you?
I’m not sure whether you’re intentionally being thick or whether you just struggle with logic... I say I didn’t hear it, I asked you to clarify what was said and you accuse me of denial.
You jump on every post made by anyone on this forum that you don’t agree with. Like it’s some sort of personal vendetta. Guess it’s my turn for your pathetic comments. You should envy the world I live in - As my head isn’t so far up my own arse that I can see the back of my own throat!
Reesie- Yes cheering was heard at the substitution. It shouldn’t have been but it was. Cheering a substitution is not abuse though.
Wow, calm down. I was at Rochdale and I too heard it, yes there was cheering when Gomes was substituted no one can deny that, but the cries of "he's shit get him off" were all too clear to hear as well, along with a lot stronger words of wisdom for the young lad as the game progressed as well. Just as a section of the away fans were on Sheafs case the whole game at Peterborough which when your a young player learning your trade is very difficult to deal with.
But what was said isn't the issue here is it really, it's the fact that as a DRFC player your own fans are being openly hostile and hateful towards you whilst your going about your work, its hardly in keeping what what the interpretation of being fan is really is it!?
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On the Sunderland forum there saying sheaf was the best player on the pitch today
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
Did you go by the name of Comical Ali in another life? Goodness it could be yelled right in front of you and you’d only deny hearing it. If you honestly believe that none of our fans ever shout abuse at our players then I can only envy the world that you live in.
So you’re not able to say what the abuse was? Your mate down the road told you and you’re repeating what he said like a parrot? Were you there? If so, what was the abuse shouted at him? It’s your example so just explain. Is the question too difficult for you?
I’m not sure whether you’re intentionally being thick or whether you just struggle with logic... I say I didn’t hear it, I asked you to clarify what was said and you accuse me of denial.
You jump on every post made by anyone on this forum that you don’t agree with. Like it’s some sort of personal vendetta. Guess it’s my turn for your pathetic comments. You should envy the world I live in - As my head isn’t so far up my own arse that I can see the back of my own throat!
Reesie- Yes cheering was heard at the substitution. It shouldn’t have been but it was. Cheering a substitution is not abuse though.
Wow, calm down. I was at Rochdale and I too heard it, yes there was cheering when Gomes was substituted no one can deny that, but the cries of "he's shit get him off" were all too clear to hear as well, along with a lot stronger words of wisdom for the young lad as the game progressed as well. Just as a section of the away fans were on Sheafs case the whole game at Peterborough which when your a young player learning your trade is very difficult to deal with.
But what was said isn't the issue here is it really, it's the fact that as a DRFC player your own fans are being openly hostile and hateful towards you whilst your going about your work, its hardly in keeping what what the interpretation of being fan is really is it!?
ND, I hear stuff like that every week.
Halliday, Gomes and Sheaf are the main targets but when they do something good there isn’t a word of praise, just silence.
In a recent match, one bloke was particularly vociferous at Sadlier and even shouted at him to “get those effing gloves off”.
I couldn’t help myself and had to ask him if it would improve him as a player if he did take them off.
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Just because you didn’t hear it does not mean it didn’t happen. I’ve heard it, others have clearly heard it, I’d say that’s enough to help reach a conclusion that it does happen.
Interesting that you mention Gomes - a good example. Now if we’re talking about shouting abuse at your own club’s players, and you were at Rochdale (?) then surely you witnessed it there?
Yes I was at Rochdale. Please feel free to enlighten me on the abuse shouted at Gomes. I heard booing - lots of which was aimed at the wrong substitution and not the player. But I heard no abusive chant or words aimed at him. If it happened then please tell me exactly what was shouted.
Did you go by the name of Comical Ali in another life? Goodness it could be yelled right in front of you and you’d only deny hearing it. If you honestly believe that none of our fans ever shout abuse at our players then I can only envy the world that you live in.
So you’re not able to say what the abuse was? Your mate down the road told you and you’re repeating what he said like a parrot? Were you there? If so, what was the abuse shouted at him? It’s your example so just explain. Is the question too difficult for you?
I’m not sure whether you’re intentionally being thick or whether you just struggle with logic... I say I didn’t hear it, I asked you to clarify what was said and you accuse me of denial.
You jump on every post made by anyone on this forum that you don’t agree with. Like it’s some sort of personal vendetta. Guess it’s my turn for your pathetic comments. You should envy the world I live in - As my head isn’t so far up my own arse that I can see the back of my own throat!
Reesie- Yes cheering was heard at the substitution. It shouldn’t have been but it was. Cheering a substitution is not abuse though.
Wow, calm down. I was at Rochdale and I too heard it, yes there was cheering when Gomes was substituted no one can deny that, but the cries of "he's shit get him off" were all too clear to hear as well, along with a lot stronger words of wisdom for the young lad as the game progressed as well. Just as a section of the away fans were on Sheafs case the whole game at Peterborough which when your a young player learning your trade is very difficult to deal with.
But what was said isn't the issue here is it really, it's the fact that as a DRFC player your own fans are being openly hostile and hateful towards you whilst your going about your work, its hardly in keeping what what the interpretation of being fan is really is it!?
As a young pro, I'd be asking questions of myself if I wasn't getting grief of a certain group of Donny fans. There's a strain of Donny fans who wouldn't recognised a player if they played 100 consecutive wall passes against their knackers.
Have a look, next time you hear some "Gerrit forrad" grunt. There'll be a little cloud of 1950s smog hovering above their head.
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:woohoo: to be fair even I hate the gloves lol, but I have noticed he has stopped wearing them in the last few games so maybe he heard your man shouting at him.
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:woohoo: to be fair even I hate the gloves lol, but I have noticed he has stopped wearing them in the last few games so maybe he heard your man shouting at him.
Maybe it’s a bit milder.
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:woohoo: to be fair even I hate the gloves lol, but I have noticed he has stopped wearing them in the last few games so maybe he heard your man shouting at him.
Maybe it’s a bit milder.
If anything I think it's got colder actually, for the first time this season I felt bloody freezing last weekend at the keepmoat.