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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Colin C No.3 on February 12, 2020, 02:06:59 pm
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They’re not happy with the manager or ‘his team’.
Most saying he’s a league 1 manager who has recruited league 1 players & want him out, some giving him two more games tops.
A lot of them refer to him as Terry. Can’t fathom the ‘put down’ off hand.
They don’t seem happy with Malik Wilkes input to the side either.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
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Was Terry McCann a character in the tv show Minder.
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Yes I think it was Terry McCann
Not wanting to defend they have just sold their two best players who got at least half their goals
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Ha ha.
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The real irony is, though, if he'd managed Rovers to where Hull are now I suspect most of us would be happy with a season like theirs..! Oh well, I'm sure he knew what he was getting himself into...
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Great to read can we have a link please?
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There owner is not bothered about anything there fans say or want, all he is bothered is that they stay up as he wants to sell them and the higher division they are in means more money when he does sell
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There owner is not bothered about anything there fans say or want, all he is bothered is that they stay up as he wants to sell them and the higher division they are in means more money when he does sell
I agree. That's why I thought McCann was daft to take the job. It was pretty clear from what Nigel Adkins said when he left that it was a poisoned chalice.
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They’re not happy with the manager or ‘his team’.
Most saying he’s a league 1 manager who has recruited league 1 players & want him out, some giving him two more games tops.
A lot of them refer to him as Terry. Can’t fathom the ‘put down’ off hand.
They don’t seem happy with Malik Wilkes input to the side either.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
The owner sold their best players and left him to try get in play offs ..Doh !
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Great to read can we have a link please?
Here you are mush:
https://www.not606.com/forums/hull-city.41/
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Great to read can we have a link please?
Here you are mush:
https://www.not606.com/forums/hull-city.41/
Having a read through now.
May I just say, how poor is their website lay out compared to ours.
Covered in adverts & no category break downs.
Don't know how lucky we are!
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...........and as I have often said, no different to ours from a point of view of people moaning or having those rose tinted specs.
Fans of all clubs are the same really.
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I see someone on there dragged up the own goal McCann scored in West Ham's 7-1 annihilation by Blackburn way back in the early 2000s. The young McCann's face is quite the picture after he somehow manages to send a clearance backwards into his own net, I remember coming across it the other month.
The peak of his top flight career as well, really.
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Hull City is a strange going on. The fans have recently had a cup final and semi-finals at Wembley, and also Premier League football, but have been so disconnected by the owners, and hike in ticket prices through removing the reduced cost ticketing (though that may be back now), that when I've attended games there (I get free tickets sometimes) the crowd is totally disconnected compared to a Rovers' crowd.
Whereas Rovers supporters, we would complain at the Ref and Linesman if a call incorrectly went against us for a throw-in, the Hull fans just suck it up. A hard tackle on a Rovers player, we tell the ref we're not happy, whereas the Hull fans just look at each other and agree that they always get bad refs. What I'm really saying is that the Hull City fans have had their passion kicked out of them.
As already said above, we need to be grateful for what we have.
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The real irony is, though, if he'd managed Rovers to where Hull are now I suspect most of us would be happy with a season like theirs..! Oh well, I'm sure he knew what he was getting himself into...
not really irony, as hull fans have a different perspective on his tenure than what we would have. Ours would be the end of an upwardly going journey. Theirs is a recent ex prem side going downwards... not relatable in the slightest...
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The other man's grass, and all that.
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My best pal is a Hull fan. They weren’t too happy with McCann’s appointment in the first place but were willing to give him a chance. Unfortunately he’s seen as a bit of a ‘collaborator’ with the owners, who the fans have a real problem with. To be fair to him, they’ve just sold their 2 best players & have lots of injuries, but it sums up the clubs mentality. I was saying during the summer that he was making a big mistake going there and I think that’s coming to fruition.
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Up until the transfer window they were having a very good season.
They’ve now sold their two best players, any side that does that is going to struggle
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Agreed Dickos, ask Oxford.
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The type of owners that would sell their best players and still sack him.
If they do he can have no complaints, he’s not stupid he should have known who he was going to work for.
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Up until the transfer window they were having a very good season.
They’ve now sold their two best players, any side that does that is going to struggle
Their form had gone off a cliff before they sold Bowen and Grosicki. That happened 12 days ago but they lost three in a row before that, and have 2 heavy defeats and a draw since.
Their Play-Off hopes have evaporated since the turn of the year. Shame.
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He's been fairly lucky that they didn't sell those players in the summer. At least they gave Hull half a season of pretty decent results. Looking at his signings it's clear he is basically shopping at a top end league 1 market so the fans can't expect too much, but they will just as we would.
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Another sit com
Hull and Back
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I hope he isn’t coming back.
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I see someone on there dragged up the own goal McCann scored in West Ham's 7-1 annihilation by Blackburn way back in the early 2000s. The young McCann's face is quite the picture after he somehow manages to send a clearance backwards into his own net, I remember coming across it the other month.
The peak of his top flight career as well, really.
HaHaHa,just watched that,I either never seen it before,or I forgot about it,he did'nt even miskick it,he actually missed it altogether and it bounced off his other foot/ankle into net.As you say,his face is a picture,one of the best I've seen after scoring own goal,I think he might actually tried to blame the keeper,the way he looks at him.Pure gold.The thread headline says in his last game for West ham,so must have been a costly mistake too.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
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Aren’t hull still 10pts clear of relegation?
Under the circumstances i’d say avoiding relegation would be quite an achievement for Mc Cann.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?
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He clearly went for money, managing at a club in the Championship that he must have thought he could embed himself at, improve theirs & consequently his own standing in the game, something he must have thought would take longer to do with us.
Plus Hull have better facilities, a larger capacity & better stadium & more recently a more successful recent history than us.
Put all of that into the mix & you might well argue that at the time his reason to go there was for him, ‘a no brainier’.
However, as with every important decision you make in life you should employ due diligence. He clearly didn’t do his homework on the current club owners, the squad he was inheriting, the finances available for transfers & wages that would enable him to buy better than League 1 rated players.
Either that or he went into the job with his eyes wide open knowing full well that the owners were attracted to him because he had performed so well with us in his first season with a ‘limited budget’ & that they expected him to do the same at his new club.
If the second scenario was the case, then I would suggest his ego clicked into gear & he actually thought ( & if so clearly underestimated the expectations the role brought) he could emulate what he had achieved with us with in one season, with a club barely out of the Premiership.
So he left a club where he was well thought of by the fans & supported by the board (even though that support allegedly didn’t include some of the players) & where he could reasonably expect to build his reputation along with the clubs in the knowledge that Rovers do not have a reputation as a club that sacks managers on a whim. Relative long term security then for him & his young family.
But no, he burned his bridges leaving a club that had provided him with only his second ever managerial role in a state of turmoil regarding players being shown the door & incoming player negotiations still to be signed off.
He saw ‘Gold in them there hills’.
Except now he perhaps realises that the ‘gold’ he thought he saw was in fact the ‘orange’ shirts his new team played in & Hull has no hills. In fact it is as flat as the current feeling of their fans towards him & the players he has brought to their club, as flat as the dressing room & training ground must feel, as flat as the owners wallets & maybe, just maybe if he thinks back to where he was this time last season, as flat as he’s feeling right now.
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Ahem.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272820.msg874478#msg874478
He clearly didn't trust himself to be able to continue that (developing us). Because if he DID trust himself, it would be mad to go to a crisis club like Hull.
Stay here. Have another season or two building your reputation. If you're good, you'll have your pick of lower half Championship sides.
No. He chose not to do that. He's gone for the first bigger club to come sniffing. That smacks of a lack of confidence.
Now, as it is, he's two poor months at Hull away from his entire career being in jeopardy.
He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?
My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.
I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?
My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.
I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.
I was told exactly the same hound. I was also told that there was some surprise at the comments he made when he returned for the preseason friendly. He told the press that the welcome he’d received from the club was good & he’d spoken to the players who’d all been friendly towards him as they’d understood the reasons behind his decision to leave. His leaving left a very bad taste within the club and players.
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Well, he's never going to say "it's all been a bit embarrassing really" is he?
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?
My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.
I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.
From what you’ve said above it sounds like he’s burnt his bridges because he decided to speak to Hull - it doesn’t sound like he went behind their back or anything like that. Or am I missing something?
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Personally I think he burned his bridges through starting the task of clearing out the squad, but not having the integrity to see it through, leaving us in a very poor situation.
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He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.
I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...
I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.
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I’ve also heard that his budget here had been lowered from the level that was originally indicated, perhaps reflected in the fact that deals he indicated were in place immediately after the Charlton game did not materialise. I think there are two sides to this one. I certainly think the haste at which he jumped left a sour taste with the club and supporters. Understandably too. Our owners gave him a chance and a profile to rebuild his career after it had taken a bit of a hit from his spell in charge at Peterborough. He did an excellent job last season but left at the first opportunity.
My own feeling (at the time and still now) is that he made a mistake with that move and would’ve been better served staying here. But if he thought at the time that he’d not be able to take us where we wanted to go with the funds subsequently confirmed then maybe that influenced his thinking.
I don’t really bear him any animosity. I loved watching Rovers under McCann, we saw some of the most exciting football seen here for many years. I think we were the right club for him and vice versa, whereas there’s lots wrong with Hull for many reasons.
I’ve no doubt he’s burned his bridges with the owners. As for the players, I think it’s fair to say there’ll be mixed views on him. They didn’t need to all like him. They certainly all played well when he was in charge.
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I’m not really sure what the expect, it looks like he’s doing a decent job from the outside
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He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.
I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...
I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.
MM.
I didn't say he did anything wrong. I said he showed a telling lack of confidence in his own ability by jumping at the first chance, to a job that everyone knew was a poisoned chalice.
I said he'd got the gig of a lifetime with us, building on a strong foundation. But he'd done precisely zero in terms of building a legacy. If he really felt confident as a manager, he could have built with us for another year or two and then he'd have had Championship clubs beating a path to his door. Jumping to a club in a mess like Hull suggests that he didn't trust himself to do a job with us when he had to rebuild.
Looking at it that way, he seems like a bit of a chancer.
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I don't recollect any pkayer, including Copps, come out and say best of luck thanks for everything gaffer on any social media. Quite unusual these days when a manager leaves
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I think his ego and arrogance got in the way of any serious thoughts about what he could achieve here. His words, after we got knocked out by Charlton, are still ringing in my ears! All he actually did was decimate the solid foundation of a team that was nearly, not quite, good enough.
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No he won’t ever be coming back here hound.
However unlike Paul Dickov whose services, he was told, were no longer required by Doncaster Rovers in September 2015 & has never managed a team in the professional game since, McCan’t, even if/when sacked by Hull will still carry some kudos with him on the back of (ironically), what he was able to achieve with us on what was ‘allegedly’ (cue Darren Ferguson) a tight budget.
Oh I know he won’t be coming back.
He would not be made welcome by the fans and from what I have heard, he well and truly burnt his bridges with the owners.
Is that because of his decision to go or more the way he conducted himself?
My understanding of the situation was that he was asked whether he wanted to speak with Hull.
When he said yes, it was decided that they had had enough of him and that he was as good as gone.
I should say that someone at the club gave me this information and I trust that they were telling me the truth.
From what you’ve said above it sounds like he’s burnt his bridges because he decided to speak to Hull - it doesn’t sound like he went behind their back or anything like that. Or am I missing something?
You are right in your first assumption there Nick.
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Be reyt for him.
He'll get sacked at Hull but after the annual Fergo-collapse, there'll be a job for him this summer.
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He's currently 1.5 months into those 2.
I'd agree - Hull on a bad run and if they don't get positive results against Swansea and Preston, he may find himself unemployed...
I personally don't think he did too much wrong - perhaps the timing of it didn't help matters, but wanting to move to a bigger club (and up a pay scale) isn't the crime of the century.
MM.
I didn't say he did anything wrong.
BST - I wasn't suggesting that you did - was just a general comment.
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There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that
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There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that
2 players carried him. One being the best player in the league. He’s knackered now they’ve gone
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There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that
Me included
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I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.
Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.
I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.
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It was preaching about loyalty then jumping ship that did it for me. I’ll be eternally grateful for last season but he showed he had no class
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There were lots on here saying he’d be sacked before Xmas and they’d be going down.
He’s done much better than that
2 players carried him. One being the best player in the league. He’s knackered now they’ve gone
Unfortunately for him the owners where always not going to spend the money they got for his two major players. He’s also lost Kane and Lijah centre half both could be out for the rest of the season. The new signing is injured also. Let’s be fair he will suffer now as a manager and they could get close to relegation. Majority of the players he’s brought in whether loan or bought are equivalent to top end league 1 players.
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If Darren went in the summer (hopefully not!) are fans saying they wouldn’t have McCann back? I think I personally would even after what he has done!
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Yes I’m saying he would not be welcomed back by me.
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If Darren went in the summer (hopefully not!) are fans saying they wouldn’t have McCann back? I think I personally would even after what he has done!
Seriously?
His personality has been found to be toxic,
He clearly has no loyalty and his judgement regarding releasing players is questionable.....
He could never do an interview again based upon player loyalty ....
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I don't want him back to only be shafted again when another offer comes in.
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He signed Maddison ..just shows he does not consider character matters. ...DM is a total upgrade in every department of man management .
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I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.
Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.
I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.
Agree with you that DM is an upgrade. We're starting to see that come through now.
I don't bear McCann any ill will. I just think that he was really poorly advised. There was probably a financial element which got his agent excited. And there was a lack of maturity on McCann's part.
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I seem to remember some tweets reacting to the McCann --> Hull news from players he had overseen the departure of. Butler, Andrew and I think some others too, maybe Marosi. That Butler was publicly showing his opinion spoke volumes to me, as he is a complete professional and a clever guy.
Coppinger as well in an interview earlier this season spoke of how Darren Moore had faith in him to play 90 minutes whereas a previous manager did not and he was glad that he no longer had to deal with that. It was obvious he meant McCann which also said a lot about how senior players felt under him.
I'm glad he's gone because Darren is an upgrade in every way, and McCann will rightly not be welcome around DRFC ever again I don't think.
Agree with you that DM is an upgrade. We're starting to see that come through now.
I don't bear McCann any ill will. I just think that he was really poorly advised. There was probably a financial element which got his agent excited. And there was a lack of maturity on McCann's part.
I was about to respond to karldew’s post with a “you have to be joking” when I read your post BigH.
The last three lines of your post sums up the whole ‘McCann saga” to a tee.