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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: since-1969 on March 03, 2020, 08:34:03 am
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
Reducing the overall congregation of people now may help save many lives . The F.A. etc have to take the world wide outbreak of this unpredictable virus that could stretch into next winter more seriously if the infection rate can’t be contained . Football supporters are particularly at risk as many are elderly and this particular group is most susceptible. Italy Ireland etc have made a stance but closing the season now will not be liked by all but it could guarantee that the sport survives for next season .
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Italy Ireland is off because as far as I can tell the main region for Italian rugby is in the north of the country (might be wrong) so supporters may have travelled from infected areas.
I don’t think we should lock down, yet. Worst case is some fixtures being played behind closed doors.. perhaps.?
Edit - I just read that the Ireland vs Italy 6 nations fixture is off at the behest of the Irish government.
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Why don’t we all just not go out ever again. Have no relationships or meet friends in case they might breath germs near us
On the basis of this all factories, office blocks and shopping centres should close and no one should use any public transport I’m sorry but this is a suggestion of total overkill
Most people become poorly. I agree that the elderly and poorly could potentially be at risk
At the end of the day they are adults with minds of their own
Please keep things in perspective until we really do have a major problem
Every day throughout the world mosquitoes kill more people than corona virus
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
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As this was part of a controlled experiment to eradicate the common cold, but managed to mutate...and GET OUT!
I’d say we will be a few billion down by 2025, and the apocalypse will have begun...
Or not!
So play all the games whilst we can....
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As this was part of a controlled experiment to eradicate the common cold, but managed to mutate...and GET OUT!
I’d say we will be a few billion down by 2025, and the apocalypse will have begun...
Or not!
So play all the games whilst we can....
behind closed doors ?
“The Football Association is holding internal discussions at Wembley to discuss the implications of coronavirus.
Events across the sporting landscape have been effected by the outbreak, with Italian authorities putting restrictions in place in an attempt to stop the spread of the disease. Euro 2020 is almost certainly going to be another topic of discussion, but the main focus is on March as the tournament is then the jurisdiction of Uefa and the relevant authorities.”
Press association!
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
Can I just say that you got them figures from the government.....nobody actually knows the true numbers, and nobody is actually telling us how this happened!
Don’t listen to statistics ..... listen to the mood of the nations infected and what they are putting in place ..... others countries are worried....very worried indeed
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As this was part of a controlled experiment to eradicate the common cold, but managed to mutate...and GET OUT!
I’d say we will be a few billion down by 2025, and the apocalypse will have begun...
Or not!
So play all the games whilst we can....
behind closed doors ?
“The Football Association is holding internal discussions at Wembley to discuss the implications of coronavirus.
Events across the sporting landscape have been effected by the outbreak, with Italian authorities putting restrictions in place in an attempt to stop the spread of the disease. Euro 2020 is almost certainly going to be another topic of discussion, but the main focus is on March as the tournament is then the jurisdiction of Uefa and the relevant authorities.”
Press association!
The only authority being listened to is the W.H.O , they will be the ones giving approvals not any footballing organisation.....
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As this was part of a controlled experiment to eradicate the common cold, but managed to mutate...and GET OUT!
I’d say we will be a few billion down by 2025, and the apocalypse will have begun...
Or not!
So play all the games whilst we can....
behind closed doors ?
“The Football Association is holding internal discussions at Wembley to discuss the implications of coronavirus.
Events across the sporting landscape have been effected by the outbreak, with Italian authorities putting restrictions in place in an attempt to stop the spread of the disease. Euro 2020 is almost certainly going to be another topic of discussion, but the main focus is on March as the tournament is then the jurisdiction of Uefa and the relevant authorities.”
Press association!
Your post questions behind closed doors then says nowt more about that point.?
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
Reducing the overall congregation of people now may help save many lives . The F.A. etc have to take the world wide outbreak of this unpredictable virus that could stretch into next winter more seriously if the infection rate can’t be contained . Football supporters are particularly at risk as many are elderly and this particular group is most susceptible. Italy Ireland etc have made a stance but closing the season now will not be liked by all but it could guarantee that the sport survives for next season .
If people are worried, they shouldn't go to football matches.
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
Reducing the overall congregation of people now may help save many lives . The F.A. etc have to take the world wide outbreak of this unpredictable virus that could stretch into next winter more seriously if the infection rate can’t be contained . Football supporters are particularly at risk as many are elderly and this particular group is most susceptible. Italy Ireland etc have made a stance but closing the season now will not be liked by all but it could guarantee that the sport survives for next season .
If people are worried, they shouldn't go to football matches.
This !
Allow the public to asses and make their own decisions based on their own worries.
End of the day, if the virus is built to spread...it's going to spread. Closing stadiums and postponing large events will only act to slow the inevitable IMO. Besides, with symptoms taking a couple of weeks to show, by the time Jeff and the boys sit down next Saturday at 3pm, it will probably be too late in certain grounds in the UK...
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You can understand some people's worries. I would take an educated guess one of the largest demographic of posters on here is males over 50, and that is the biggest at risk group in terms of this virus. The answer is at the moment seems to me to be wait and see what happens. We are not Italy (currently). If we reach the levels of Northern Italy then I would expect some action to be taken. But its really striking how most of the cases elsewhere in Europe seem to be linked to Northern Italy. Here in the Netherlands, there is 18 identified cases, and the public health authority has said that most (if not all) are linked to people travelling back from Italy. So, there is currently two open questions 1) can other European countries contain these isolated cases from Italy 2) how is the number of cases progressing in Italy. For question one, I don't think we should cancel sports events at this stage - isolated cases are being identified and contained fairly well. In terms of question 2, there is a report today that the number of new cases in Italy is slowing, so we will see.
If it isn't contained, then the public needs to have a broader conversation with itself about what it sacrificies and how much this thing impinges on our everday lives. For me, it can't at all. Life has to go on. Look at past famines in human history, caused by stupid human actions and panic rather than a lack of food.
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I suppose closing the season down would be 1 way of keeping Liverpool’s name off the premiership trophy.
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Keeping it in proportion .
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/world-malaria-report-2019
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There would be more legal challenges issued if they closed the season down. Those that would have won promotion being the 1st but they would be in the queue behind Liverpool. What about the teams playing for European places next season? It would be the biggest can of worms that has ever been opened in English football history JMHO
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
i think theres 39 cases in the UK, no deaths... out of 60 million people!!! Some would say you are being a tad over dramatic!!!!
When and IF figures increase, then it may be time to address matters. Where do we draw the line tho, public transport banned, work environments banned?, everyone living and sleeping in seperate rooms???
At some stage we really do just have to get on with it, be vigilant, and take any necessary precautions!
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
But it's not about what the immediate threat is. The number of people who will die from this is about two things from here.
1) How many people are going to get infected. Answer. Almost certainly a lot. A Professor of epidemiology from Imperial College suggested a couple of weeks ago that, if it takes hold, he'd expect 35-45million in the UK to get it.
2) How rapidly it spreads. That's the key. If it spreads very quickly, it will overwhelm the NHS and a lot more people will die from it as a result. If the spread is slower, there'll be fewer people infected at any one time and there's more chance of the NHS coping.
The rate at which it spreads CAN be controlled by reducing social contact. So I don't think 1969's suggestion should be dismissed out of hand.
Put it another way, if this gets very bad, there could be 1million of us dead by Xmas. I think folk might look back in those circumstances and be a bit pissed off at blasé attitudes in March.
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
In 1918 40m died when they had no protection against a similar virus and it started with 1 , ever since then civilised world has embarked on virus protection .. today the is NO anti viral on Covid19 and by the time they find on it is likely to have mutated again and leave many millions dead . The END!!
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Should this be in off topic Mr mainwaring
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
But it's not about what the immediate threat is. The number of people who will die from this is about two things from here.
1) How many people are going to get infected. Answer. Almost certainly a lot. A Professor of epidemiology from Imperial College suggested a couple of weeks ago that, if it takes hold, he'd expect 35-45million in the UK to get it.
2) How rapidly it spreads. That's the key. If it spreads very quickly, it will overwhelm the NHS and a lot more people will die from it as a result. If the spread is slower, there'll be fewer people infected at any one time and there's more chance of the NHS coping.
The rate at which it spreads CAN be controlled by reducing social contact. So I don't think 1969's suggestion should be dismissed out of hand.
Put it another way, if this gets very bad, there could be 1million of us dead by Xmas. I think folk might look back in those circumstances and be a bit pissed off at blasé attitudes in March.
Only just over 3,000 people have died from this in China (a country of over 1.4 billion people) in the last 3 months. If we had a similar percentage of deaths to population that is around 130. Maybe I might regret my attitude towards this but at the current time I am just getting on with things!
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Absolutely correct.
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Should this be in off topic Mr mainwaring
Ostrich !
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
But it's not about what the immediate threat is. The number of people who will die from this is about two things from here.
1) How many people are going to get infected. Answer. Almost certainly a lot. A Professor of epidemiology from Imperial College suggested a couple of weeks ago that, if it takes hold, he'd expect 35-45million in the UK to get it.
2) How rapidly it spreads. That's the key. If it spreads very quickly, it will overwhelm the NHS and a lot more people will die from it as a result. If the spread is slower, there'll be fewer people infected at any one time and there's more chance of the NHS coping.
The rate at which it spreads CAN be controlled by reducing social contact. So I don't think 1969's suggestion should be dismissed out of hand.
Put it another way, if this gets very bad, there could be 1million of us dead by Xmas. I think folk might look back in those circumstances and be a bit pissed off at blasé attitudes in March.
Only just over 3,000 people have died from this in China (a country of over 1.4 billion people) in the last 3 months. If we had a similar percentage of deaths to population that is around 130. Maybe I might regret my attitude towards this but at the current time I am just getting on with things!
That's because they effectively shut down the country. They banned people from leaving their houses.
That is simply not going to happen in the West. So we are far more vulnerable to wide spread of the virus. Like I say, a Professor of epidemiology at one of the leading universities in the world has said he expects 60-70% of us in the UK to get infected if we don't contain it. That's somewhere North of 40million of us. And the expected death rate is 1-2%. That's something like 0.5-1 million. If it isn't contained.
You HAVE to treat this seriously. It's by far the most serious immediate national threat we have faced since WWII. None of us are really ready for the changes of lifestyle that are coming if the 50-odd cases we currently have start to grow quickly.
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
Reducing the overall congregation of people now may help save many lives . The F.A. etc have to take the world wide outbreak of this unpredictable virus that could stretch into next winter more seriously if the infection rate can’t be contained . Football supporters are particularly at risk as many are elderly and this particular group is most susceptible. Italy Ireland etc have made a stance but closing the season now will not be liked by all but it could guarantee that the sport survives for next season .
If people are worried, they shouldn't go to football matches.
This !
Allow the public to asses and make their own decisions based on their own worries.
End of the day, if the virus is built to spread...it's going to spread. Closing stadiums and postponing large events will only act to slow the inevitable IMO. Besides, with symptoms taking a couple of weeks to show, by the time Jeff and the boys sit down next Saturday at 3pm, it will probably be too late in certain grounds in the UK...
Aisley.
What you're saying sounds sensible. It's actually the sort of attitude that might lead to 100,000s unnecessary deaths.
We ARE most of us going to catch this virus. There will be a small percentage who it hits very badly. The number of them who then die will depend to a great extent on the capacity of the health service to treat them.
And THAT is why it is vital that we slow the spread. If it spreads very quickly, there will be many more people die, because we won't have the capacity to treat a lot of critically ill people at the same time. Spread the same number of infections over a year and many fewer people will die.
We all have a massive responsibility to play our own little parts in helping us slow that spread. Avoid unnecessary large gatherings. And wash your hands regularly. And do not be complacent. This could be horrific.
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Should this be in off topic Mr mainwaring
Ostrich !
we're doomed
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https://youtu.be/sxqvwkmTNy8
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BST, I think this is the proffesor you are reffering to, Neil Ferguson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g7Qpvhh5m4
Two key things to point out.
1) Transmition has been suprresed in China, Hong Kong and Singapore - still spreading but suppressed.
2) Around 4.23minutes, he states the UK is still in 'containment' phase. The reason we don't have such measures yet (as the above places) is because we're simply in a different phase of the virus and it would be a disproportionate strategy. "Decisions shouldnt be made at moment" (5:14).
Being an evidenced-based advocate you will be taking note of the nuance of what he is saying and the timing of any response (and our individual responsibilities within that). Ultimately, for the benefit of the OP it is disproportionate to stop sporting events at this stage.
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I would advocate behind closed doors fixtures if large gatherings are proposed as a precaution.
It’s much easier to check that what, 100 or so people are virus free rather than 7000-8000 individuals (more at other stadia).
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CiM
Yes it was him. Thanks for that video. Very informative.
For the record, because the tone of your post suggests there may be a misunderstanding, I didn't say and don't think that we should be cancelling football matches.
Yet.
But I suspect those sorts of measures are coming and probably a lot sooner than folk realise.
On that topic, the Swiss, who don't have a reputation for succumbing to ignorant panics, have just banned all football matches with expected crowds over 1000.
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Coronavirus, climate change, Brexit, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, and on top of all that, f*cking rap music.
We're all doomed, I tell ye, all doomed.
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Coronavirus, climate change, Brexit, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, and on top of all that, f*cking rap music.
We're all doomed, I tell ye, all doomed.
Rap??!!
It's all trap now.
With that answer you must be high up on the death pool!
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CiM
Yes it was him. Thanks for that video. Very informative.
For the record, because the tone of your post suggests there may be a misunderstanding, I didn't say and don't think that we should be cancelling football matches.
Yet.
But I suspect those sorts of measures are coming and probably a lot sooner than folk realise.
On that topic, the Swiss, who don't have a reputation for succumbing to ignorant panics, have just banned all football matches with expected crowds over 1000.
I read that the Swiss over 1000 fans ban is only for 2 weeks..
Hence the argument for behind closed doors fixtures.
Of course, football isn’t the same without the fans, but at least games could be played and the results valid, for promotions and relegations etc..
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My wife works in the funeral industry and they have been briefed about the certainty of a global pandemic for the last 10 years. There are plenty of measures in place if or when this happens. From what she told me it’s an inevitability just a matter of when
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https://pro.joinhsi.com/p/HSI20200221A/LHSIW178/?aid=76&sid1=&sid2=&sid3=&sid4=&sid5=&oid=3758&tid=10269011cd5e2d350f5b2472773e97&h=true
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https://pro.joinhsi.com/p/HSI20200221A/LHSIW178/?aid=76&sid1=&sid2=&sid3=&sid4=&sid5=&oid=3758&tid=10269011cd5e2d350f5b2472773e97&h=true
Sweet Jesus, every f**king quack in the world is looking to cash in on this. This one os my favourite. Probably as likely to work as that crackpot you linked to 1969.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric
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Coronavirus, climate change, Brexit, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, and on top of all that, f*cking rap music.
We're all doomed, I tell ye, all doomed.
Rap??!!
It's all trap now.
With that answer you must be high up on the death pool!
I thought it was another verse of "We didn't start the fire"!
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https://pro.joinhsi.com/p/HSI20200221A/LHSIW178/?aid=76&sid1=&sid2=&sid3=&sid4=&sid5=&oid=3758&tid=10269011cd5e2d350f5b2472773e97&h=true
Sweet Jesus, every f**king quack in the world is looking to cash in on this. This one os my favourite. Probably as likely to work as that crackpot you linked to 1969.
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/25/applying-essential-oil-to-anus-cures-coronavirus-iranian-cleric
Stocked up here with iodine & calamine lotion.
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
In 1918 40m died when they had no protection against a similar virus and it started with 1 , ever since then civilised world has embarked on virus protection .. today the is NO anti viral on Covid19 and by the time they find on it is likely to have mutated again and leave many millions dead . The END!!
I'll take your refusal to answer a simple question as confirmation that you drive every day of youe life without a care in the world.
You sir are a hypocrit and a drama queen!! Be gone with you!!!
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
In 1918 40m died when they had no protection against a similar virus and it started with 1 , ever since then civilised world has embarked on virus protection .. today the is NO anti viral on Covid19 and by the time they find on it is likely to have mutated again and leave many millions dead . The END!!
I'll take your refusal to answer a simple question as confirmation that you drive every day of youe life without a care in the world.
You sir are a hypocrit and a drama queen!! Be gone with you!!!
Awa and boil yar heed !!
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Currently less than 0.00006% of the UK population have contracted the virus. Forgive me for not being overly worried just yet.
If you catch it will you just want to be the 0.00007% or an elderly relative who caught it from you ? . Ostrich heads like most fans can’t except that IT IS COMING and the closure of Cinemas , Racing Tracks and Football Stadiums will be closed until ‘further notice’. All I’m saying is act sooner and reduce that possibility of it being indefinitely!
Ok, mr 1969, serious question, and i want you to answer honestly.... many people without question are gonna die on the UK roads this week. You know this, yet i suspect that you travel by car regularly. Its a much more curently dangerous situation than Covid 19 in the UK. Have you considered ever refusing to travel by car to save your life????. of course you havnt.., why??? because the risks are very low!! THE END.
In 1918 40m died when they had no protection against a similar virus and it started with 1 , ever since then civilised world has embarked on virus protection .. today the is NO anti viral on Covid19 and by the time they find on it is likely to have mutated again and leave many millions dead . The END!!
I'll take your refusal to answer a simple question as confirmation that you drive every day of youe life without a care in the world.
You sir are a hypocrit and a drama queen!! Be gone with you!!!
Awa and boil yar heed !!
"Somebody glassed this wee lassie, and naebody leaves until we find the c*nt what done it".
Begby.
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Adam
There were 1870 people killed on UK roads last year. If this virus isn't contained (and it's very unlikely to be), you can multiply that by at least 100 in terms of the number of fatalities.
The two cases just don't compare. It's everyone's responsibility to stop and think how serious this is, and start thinking what they can do to slow the spread and limit the deaths.
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Adam
There were 1870 people killed on UK roads last year. If this virus isn't contained (and it's very unlikely to be), you can multiply that by at least 100 in terms of the number of fatalities.
The two cases just don't compare. It's everyone's responsibility to stop and think how serious this is, and start thinking what they can do to slow the spread and limit the deaths.
of course they compare. Deaths occur in the roads every day yet we still drive using sensible precautions.. covid 19 at this moment in time is minuscule in the uk, so cancelling the rest of the season right now is foolhardy! As we speak the contagion rate figures are very very small. If 39 ppl had it last week and it's in the 40s now, its hardly grabbing hold now is it.
What about the tube system, as long as boris hasnt shut the tube, the government don't think its serious!!
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“Acceptable attrition” springs to mind....
and the ill informed, snatching manipulated statistics from the many media sources that drip feed a containment strategy whilst readying the many underground cities to house the “special ones” ....
The military will have been briefed...........lol
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“Acceptable attrition”.....’The military will have been briefed’
Ayup.....Shabby of the ‘Home Guard’ has arrived to inspect & galvanise the troops!
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Adam
There were 1870 people killed on UK roads last year. If this virus isn't contained (and it's very unlikely to be), you can multiply that by at least 100 in terms of the number of fatalities.
The two cases just don't compare. It's everyone's responsibility to stop and think how serious this is, and start thinking what they can do to slow the spread and limit the deaths.
of course they compare. Deaths occur in the roads every day yet we still drive using sensible precautions.. covid 19 at this moment in time is minuscule in the uk, so cancelling the rest of the season right now is foolhardy! As we speak the contagion rate figures are very very small. If 39 ppl had it last week and it's in the 40s now, its hardly grabbing hold now is it.
What about the tube system, as long as boris hasnt shut the tube, the government don't think its serious!!
Adam.
39 people had it yesterday. 52 have it today.
Currently, outside China, the number of cases are doubling every 3 days. That's pretty much exactly what's happening in the UK too. The numbers were in single figures last weekend.
Come back at the end of the month and see what it looks like. Or by the end of April. If it carries on doubling every three days (and it will unless we start taking action to slow it down) it'll be 50,000 cases in the UK by the end of this month. And in the millions by mid-April.
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and take a moral stance to avoid a catastrophic out break of the CORONAVIRUS .
Reducing the overall congregation of people now may help save many lives . The F.A. etc have to take the world wide outbreak of this unpredictable virus that could stretch into next winter more seriously if the infection rate can’t be contained . Football supporters are particularly at risk as many are elderly and this particular group is most susceptible. Italy Ireland etc have made a stance but closing the season now will not be liked by all but it could guarantee that the sport survives for next season .
If people are worried, they shouldn't go to football matches.
This !
Allow the public to asses and make their own decisions based on their own worries.
End of the day, if the virus is built to spread...it's going to spread. Closing stadiums and postponing large events will only act to slow the inevitable IMO. Besides, with symptoms taking a couple of weeks to show, by the time Jeff and the boys sit down next Saturday at 3pm, it will probably be too late in certain grounds in the UK...
Avoid unnecessary large gatherings.
So we're OK to carry on watching the Rovers then....
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It would be worth just to see the Leeds fans explode! :)
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If the season ended now, Leeds would be in the promotion place so why would their fans be upset.?
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Do you think that the other clubs would allow the standings now be used as promotion or relegation? The season would have to be declared null and void and then watch out for the legal battles
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I have no idea to be honest..
That’s why I think of it comes to it, fixtures would go ahead behind closed doors. Maybe the EFL could permit Saturday fixtures to be made available via ifollow and with free viewing for ST holders.?
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Adam
There were 1870 people killed on UK roads last year. If this virus isn't contained (and it's very unlikely to be), you can multiply that by at least 100 in terms of the number of fatalities.
The two cases just don't compare. It's everyone's responsibility to stop and think how serious this is, and start thinking what they can do to slow the spread and limit the deaths.
of course they compare. Deaths occur in the roads every day yet we still drive using sensible precautions.. covid 19 at this moment in time is minuscule in the uk, so cancelling the rest of the season right now is foolhardy! As we speak the contagion rate figures are very very small. If 39 ppl had it last week and it's in the 40s now, its hardly grabbing hold now is it.
What about the tube system, as long as boris hasnt shut the tube, the government don't think its serious!!
Adam.
39 people had it yesterday. 52 have it today.
Currently, outside China, the number of cases are doubling every 3 days. That's pretty much exactly what's happening in the UK too. The numbers were in single figures last weekend.
Come back at the end of the month and see what it looks like. Or by the end of April. If it carries on doubling every three days (and it will unless we start taking action to slow it down) it'll be 50,000 cases in the UK by the end of this month. And in the millions by mid-April.
so what we are saying is that because of one day 13 extra cases has occured in a country of 60 million, that all of a sudden that rate is going to carry on at that 1/3 increase every day and on and on... By that rate, in 2 months, the entire country has it, is that what you are getting at....
CHina has 93000 reported cases, in a country of over 1 billion, where the virus has been on the go for months, much less hygiene facilities outside of the main cities.. Surely by your equations, they would be all dead and buried by now?
no ones is saying its not an issue, just that, in the UK, right now, its not as bad as the media frenzy would have you believe. 54 cases in a country of 60 million!.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAyjkaFYnzE
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“Acceptable attrition”.....’The military will have been briefed’
Ayup.....Shabby of the ‘Home Guard’ has arrived to inspect & galvanise the troops!
2 key points that I hope won’t be lost on you....
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Adam
There were 1870 people killed on UK roads last year. If this virus isn't contained (and it's very unlikely to be), you can multiply that by at least 100 in terms of the number of fatalities.
The two cases just don't compare. It's everyone's responsibility to stop and think how serious this is, and start thinking what they can do to slow the spread and limit the deaths.
of course they compare. Deaths occur in the roads every day yet we still drive using sensible precautions.. covid 19 at this moment in time is minuscule in the uk, so cancelling the rest of the season right now is foolhardy! As we speak the contagion rate figures are very very small. If 39 ppl had it last week and it's in the 40s now, its hardly grabbing hold now is it.
What about the tube system, as long as boris hasnt shut the tube, the government don't think its serious!!
Adam.
39 people had it yesterday. 52 have it today.
Currently, outside China, the number of cases are doubling every 3 days. That's pretty much exactly what's happening in the UK too. The numbers were in single figures last weekend.
Come back at the end of the month and see what it looks like. Or by the end of April. If it carries on doubling every three days (and it will unless we start taking action to slow it down) it'll be 50,000 cases in the UK by the end of this month. And in the millions by mid-April.
I think I read on the forum, when this all kicked off, that if the infection rate doubled every day, or something like that, that there would be millions infected by now.
That hasn’t happened.
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Adam/Hound.
You can give your own opinions on what will or will not happen. Me, I prefer to listen to people who have spent their entire lives studying these things.
That video that CiM posted yesterday with the professor from Imperial College. He says that typically, epidemics spread at a rate that more or less doubles every five days. Of course that doesn't go on forever because it's self-limiting. In a normal flu epidemic, most people have some level of immunity, so it only spreads to 10-15% of the population.
The point with this one is that we have zero natural immunity because it's a new virus. So more people who come into contact with it will get infected. As I say, yer man from Imperial College says that we expect the doubling rate to be every five days. At the moment, in Europe and the UK it's more like about every 3 days. We are at the very start of the wide spread of the infection.
Once it's out, you can expect that doubling to continue at something like that rate if we do nowt about it, until maybe 40million people are infected in the UK. That will take about 2-3 months. The key issue is that how we behave can slow down that doubling rate. And the slower the rate of doubling, the fewer people will have the infection at any one time, and the better the treatment the NHS will be able to provide.
That is my entire point.
You say that China contained it.
Fine. They did that by effectively closing the country down when they only had a few dozen cases. You are saying that we shouldn't do that because it would be an over-reaction. Which way do you want it?
Hound.
If the doubling rate is every day, it would take 20 days to go from 1 to 1million cases. No-one who looks at this ever sees doubling rates of once every day. If it doubles every three day, it takes 2 months to get to a million. Every five days and it is 3 months.
The virus started getting a hold outside China about a fortnight ago. There were about 500 cases outside China at that time. By this time last week it was 3000. By Sunday it was 8500, last night it was 12,750. As we speak it is about 14,250.
Go and think about it. It's been doubling at a rate of once every three days for a fortnight. If that continues, there will be about 7 million cases worldwide by the end of the month. If it slows down to doubling every 5 days, there will about 500,000. If we really got on top of it and slowed the doubling rate to once every ten days, there would only be about 100,000 by the end of the month.
That's the difference that different amounts of effort can make in the early stage.
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Adam/Hound.
You can give your own opinions on what will or will not happen. Me, I prefer to listen to people who have spent their entire lives studying these things.
since when have either one of us given any opinion on what will happen, you are the one spouting doomsday scenarios, we are merely looking at whats happpened right now, in this country!!!, Thats all, and one in a million current cases with zero fatalities, suggests RIGHT NOW is not the time to go in panic mode!!!!! Thats all, everybody suggests caution of course, but once we start shutting things down, with no date of opening them up again, stadiums, shopping centres, tube sytems, cities??? where does it end!!!
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Adam
Just get prepared for it. By May or June, depending on how quickly it spreads, There will be mass closures of all sorts of events, and advice for us not to congregate in large numbers.
If you want to stop the virus from infecting millions of people, you would be doing that right now. Just like China did. If you don't take serious action to stop it when there are fifty cases, there WILL be a million cases within 2-3 months.
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I agree with the projected figures, and the point of slowing it down helps the NHS cope. There's also a likely seasonal factor - another argument for slowing down the spread in the near future.
On the other hand, the biggest spreading places are schools,, workplaces and supermarkets. Footy is a very small part of the picture, but looks good on the news whilst having a minimal effect on the economy. Maybe just shut the prem grounds?
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But that's just the point BRR. It's a balancing act between blunting the virus grow and not damaging the economy. Which is why non-essential gatherings will be the first things to be cancelled. Like football matches.
I'll be surprised if we get to the end of the season without matches getting cancelled or played behind closed doors.
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And that’s why I think behind closed doors may/will happen. Hasn’t that already happened in Italy.?
Would be weird but would mean that issues are decided on the pitch..
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Footy is party of the economy, as are pubs, clubs, conferences and the list of "non essential gatherings" goes on. In a way, it could make sense to let the virus spread a little early on then clamp down heavy to spread the peak cases - tinkering with footy matches makes little sense.
We could see how well China has coped compared to other countries.
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BRR.
Yep. That's precisely what the good prof said in that video yesterday. The key will be bringing in quite Draconian closures around the peak. In the meantime, we can all do our bits by taking simple actions and being prepared to follow official advice as it ramps up.
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I may be off the mark here, but won’t the cases being reported daily now, be a consequence of the virus spreading a few weeks ago.? Might it then be possible that containment measures put in place since would eventually slow the spread.? That assumes we’re not just locking the stable door after the horse has bolted..
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Adam/Hound.
You can give your own opinions on what will or will not happen. Me, I prefer to listen to people who have spent their entire lives studying these things.
That video that CiM posted yesterday with the professor from Imperial College. He says that typically, epidemics spread at a rate that more or less doubles every five days. Of course that doesn't go on forever because it's self-limiting. In a normal flu epidemic, most people have some level of immunity, so it only spreads to 10-15% of the population.
The point with this one is that we have zero natural immunity because it's a new virus. So more people who come into contact with it will get infected. As I say, yer man from Imperial College says that we expect the doubling rate to be every five days. At the moment, in Europe and the UK it's more like about every 3 days. We are at the very start of the wide spread of the infection.
Once it's out, you can expect that doubling to continue at something like that rate if we do nowt about it, until maybe 40million people are infected in the UK. That will take about 2-3 months. The key issue is that how we behave can slow down that doubling rate. And the slower the rate of doubling, the fewer people will have the infection at any one time, and the better the treatment the NHS will be able to provide.
That is my entire point.
You say that China contained it.
Fine. They did that by effectively closing the country down when they only had a few dozen cases. You are saying that we shouldn't do that because it would be an over-reaction. Which way do you want it?
Hound.
If the doubling rate is every day, it would take 20 days to go from 1 to 1million cases. No-one who looks at this ever sees doubling rates of once every day. If it doubles every three day, it takes 2 months to get to a million. Every five days and it is 3 months.
The virus started getting a hold outside China about a fortnight ago. There were about 500 cases outside China at that time. By this time last week it was 3000. By Sunday it was 8500, last night it was 12,750. As we speak it is about 14,250.
Go and think about it. It's been doubling at a rate of once every three days for a fortnight. If that continues, there will be about 7 million cases worldwide by the end of the month. If it slows down to doubling every 5 days, there will about 500,000. If we really got on top of it and slowed the doubling rate to once every ten days, there would only be about 100,000 by the end of the month.
That's the difference that different amounts of effort can make in the early stage.
BST, I haven’t given any suggestions as to what might with the spread of the virus.
I was simply stating that someone (I can’t remember who) had made a similar post to the recent one by yourself, about the rate of the growth of people infected.
I thought at the time that projections were a bit dramatic and it has proven to be the case.
I don’t think that Adam had made any assertions either.
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Adam/Hound.
You can give your own opinions on what will or will not happen. Me, I prefer to listen to people who have spent their entire lives studying these things.
That video that CiM posted yesterday with the professor from Imperial College. He says that typically, epidemics spread at a rate that more or less doubles every five days. Of course that doesn't go on forever because it's self-limiting. In a normal flu epidemic, most people have some level of immunity, so it only spreads to 10-15% of the population.
The point with this one is that we have zero natural immunity because it's a new virus. So more people who come into contact with it will get infected. As I say, yer man from Imperial College says that we expect the doubling rate to be every five days. At the moment, in Europe and the UK it's more like about every 3 days. We are at the very start of the wide spread of the infection.
Once it's out, you can expect that doubling to continue at something like that rate if we do nowt about it, until maybe 40million people are infected in the UK. That will take about 2-3 months. The key issue is that how we behave can slow down that doubling rate. And the slower the rate of doubling, the fewer people will have the infection at any one time, and the better the treatment the NHS will be able to provide.
That is my entire point.
You say that China contained it.
Fine. They did that by effectively closing the country down when they only had a few dozen cases. You are saying that we shouldn't do that because it would be an over-reaction. Which way do you want it?
Hound.
If the doubling rate is every day, it would take 20 days to go from 1 to 1million cases. No-one who looks at this ever sees doubling rates of once every day. If it doubles every three day, it takes 2 months to get to a million. Every five days and it is 3 months.
The virus started getting a hold outside China about a fortnight ago. There were about 500 cases outside China at that time. By this time last week it was 3000. By Sunday it was 8500, last night it was 12,750. As we speak it is about 14,250.
Go and think about it. It's been doubling at a rate of once every three days for a fortnight. If that continues, there will be about 7 million cases worldwide by the end of the month. If it slows down to doubling every 5 days, there will about 500,000. If we really got on top of it and slowed the doubling rate to once every ten days, there would only be about 100,000 by the end of the month.
That's the difference that different amounts of effort can make in the early stage.
BST, I haven’t given any suggestions as to what might with the spread of the virus.
I was simply stating that someone (I can’t remember who) had made a similar post to the recent one by yourself, about the rate of the growth of people infected.
I thought at the time that projections were a bit dramatic and it has proven to be the case.
I don’t think that Adam had made any assertions either.
spot on, all we are saying is take a breath, that's all... we aint the ones predicting millions catching the death flu.. not if... but when...
Currently China has an infection rate of 0.0000066% !!! Do I need to go on
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Adam/Hound
Apologies for misreading your posts. Agreed - you weren't predicting anything.
Adam.
Like I said, China has controlled it by closing down the country. You're saying that's an over reaction. You can't have it both ways.
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Do we have to have 2 threads running on this? Let's leave it on Off Topic
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Adam/Hound
Apologies for misreading your posts. Agreed - you weren't predicting anything.
Adam.
Like I said, China has controlled it by closing down the country. You're saying that's an over reaction. You can't have it both ways.
can I ask how you close down a country the size and population of china? They locked down the worst areas such as wuhan, ETC., but there is a ginormous amount of people going about their business..
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China has shut down cities and through a health app which the government monitors the population they can tell who has symptoms and stop them from moving, guess it knows their heart beat and a few other key factors. There are regular checkpoints and if that App shows a red or yellow icon rather than a green one they get sent away to self quarantine. We wouldn't allow that kind of monitoring (apple probably have the data but not our government) so much hard in UK to know who can travel and who can't.
Almost all factories in china are shut so not many are going about their normal business. it's quite amazing what they've done really but there's moral issues to it too. A worry with the factory closures is that china is the worlds sole producer of some very important pharmaceuticals too meaning we could have a drugs shortage just when we need them
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China has shut down cities and through a health app which the government monitors the population they can tell who has symptoms and stop them from moving, guess it knows their heart beat and a few other key factors. There are regular checkpoints and if that App shows a red or yellow icon rather than a green one they get sent away to self quarantine. We wouldn't allow that kind of monitoring (apple probably have the data but not our government) so much hard in UK to know who can travel and who can't.
Almost all factories in china are shut so not many are going about their normal business. it's quite amazing what they've done really but there's moral issues to it too. A worry with the factory closures is that china is the worlds sole producer of some very important pharmaceuticals too meaning we could have a drugs shortage just when we need them
I dont mean the industrial regions, but the mass amounts of rural china, where they are being left to their own devices.. any ideas what a billion people looks like...
Oh, and foxxcon, one of the largest factories has reopened... what does that tell you...
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Don’t they all look the same.😷
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Adam.
(https://i.insider.com/5e5babf5fee23d7a7c4a91e2?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Go figure. I very much doubt any Western countries have the political will or even ability to shut down a country to that extent.
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China has shut down cities and through a health app which the government monitors the population they can tell who has symptoms and stop them from moving, guess it knows their heart beat and a few other key factors. There are regular checkpoints and if that App shows a red or yellow icon rather than a green one they get sent away to self quarantine. We wouldn't allow that kind of monitoring (apple probably have the data but not our government) so much hard in UK to know who can travel and who can't.
Almost all factories in china are shut so not many are going about their normal business. it's quite amazing what they've done really but there's moral issues to it too. A worry with the factory closures is that china is the worlds sole producer of some very important pharmaceuticals too meaning we could have a drugs shortage just when we need them
I dont mean the industrial regions, but the mass amounts of rural china, where they are being left to their own devices.. any ideas what a billion people looks like...
Oh, and foxxcon, one of the largest factories has reopened... what does that tell you...
They have locked the country down as far as is ever going to be feasibly possible. Don't think there's a suggestion that every citizens every moment is accounted for that kind of lockdown is clearly impossible.
People in rural regions aren't much of a problem anyway if the infected areas are controlled tightly it doesn't matter where other people go if they can't contact infected. Cases are been found and a slower rate in china too which proves the shut downs effectiveness.
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This has now gone way off being a topic to be analysed here.
For goodness sake administrators, take it ‘off forum’ so that the issues surrounding it (many of which are not football related) can be discussed appropriately.
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Death rate 2 in 1000. And these are those with weakened immune system and underlying medical conditions.
99.8% survival rate.
Malaria kills millions every year, no one bats an eye lid in nw Europe.
I wonder what current press and media would have made of the common cold and flu when it was first discovered years ago.
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I'm in agreement with the OP here.
When COBRA is sitting on an almost daily basis and the Government is planning (as far as it can) for a worst case scenario of 80% of the population having the virus, it's time to do something now, not later.
The current expectation is for 1% of those who do catch it to die. Ok, many of those will have underlying suppressed immune systems/health issues, but in the UK that's around half a million people.
Th effect on the economy could well be catastrophic. It's a major major issue
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I'm in agreement with the OP here.
When COBRA is sitting on an almost daily basis and the Government is planning (as far as it can) for a worst case scenario of 80% of the population having the virus, it's time to do something now, not later.
The current expectation is for 1% of those who do catch it to die. Ok, many of those will have underlying suppressed immune systems/health issues, but in the UK that's around half a million people.
Th effect on the economy could well be catastrophic. It's a major major issue
So what we are saying is that, half a million people are going to die? Government figures, and they are planning what to do when it happens? Erm, that sounds like shutting the door after the horse has bolted? If this is as serious a threat as they are telling folk. Why is there not any action plans in place to stop half a million poor sods dieing??? If advice to wash hands regularly is as good as it gets?? well jeez, thats just general hygiene.
I have advised caution on scare mongering, panic inducing, panic buying etc., but if 500,000 citizens are gonna go, then the efforts of the COBRA committee needs stepping up somewhat!
Not, who is gonna replace Joe the tube train driver, but how are we gonna stop Joe the tube train driver from dieing?
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Since the mortality rate is weighted towards the old folk like me, a good clear out could mean a right windfall for the nation's coffers and save billions for the pension fund. Do you suppose Cummings might have thought of this already :whistle:
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I'm in agreement with the OP here.
When COBRA is sitting on an almost daily basis and the Government is planning (as far as it can) for a worst case scenario of 80% of the population having the virus, it's time to do something now, not later.
The current expectation is for 1% of those who do catch it to die. Ok, many of those will have underlying suppressed immune systems/health issues, but in the UK that's around half a million people.
Th effect on the economy could well be catastrophic. It's a major major issue
So what we are saying is that, half a million people are going to die? Government figures, and they are planning what to do when it happens? Erm, that sounds like shutting the door after the horse has bolted? If this is as serious a threat as they are telling folk. Why is there not any action plans in place to stop half a million poor sods dieing??? If advice to wash hands regularly is as good as it gets?? well jeez, thats just general hygiene.
I have advised caution on scare mongering, panic inducing, panic buying etc., but if 500,000 citizens are gonna go, then the efforts of the COBRA committee needs stepping up somewhat!
Not, who is gonna replace Joe the tube train driver, but how are we gonna stop Joe the tube train driver from dieing?
Adam, that's the Governments worst case scenario.
The problem is, no-one (including the Government) really knows.
Even Mr Witty, the chief medical officer in the UK, says there is a possibility that warmer weather may kill the virus off, or lessen its effect. But of course we don't know that.
As for Joe the tube driver, I have a sneaky feeling the tube would be the first major infrastructure to be closed if this becomes an epidemic, as opposed to pandemic (it'll be too late at that stage)
But, the biggest issue is, no-one really knows
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ps Adam. The Government already has a four stage plan in place. The country moved onto stage two today. This included introducing new laws about SSP
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ps Adam. The Government already has a four stage plan in place. The country moved onto stage two today. This included introducing new laws about SSP
do we know what the terms of these plans are? anything that the general public is doing that they need to change?
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2020/march/player-handshakes-on-hold-to-combat-coronavirus/
Shaking hands pre-match is banned for Rovers. Smart decision.
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2020/march/player-handshakes-on-hold-to-combat-coronavirus/
Shaking hands pre-match is banned for Rovers. Smart decision.
Seems a bit pointless when at the first set piece you’re going to have players all over each other anyway.
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2020/march/player-handshakes-on-hold-to-combat-coronavirus/
Shaking hands pre-match is banned for Rovers. Smart decision.
Seems a bit pointless when at the first set piece you’re going to have players all over each other anyway.
Indeed. Like so much else, it's to be seen to be doing something whilst actually doing sweet bugger all!
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Alternatively a handshake is a palm to palm contact so if someone has the infection, coughs on his hand and shakes a hand it can be passed on.
Unlikely to make much difference with shirt grabbing etc..
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2020/march/player-handshakes-on-hold-to-combat-coronavirus/
Shaking hands pre-match is banned for Rovers. Smart decision.
Seems a bit pointless when at the first set piece you’re going to have players all over each other anyway.
Indeed. Like so much else, it's to be seen to be doing something whilst actually doing sweet bugger all!
It's more about sending a message about handshaking not being wise. At least it might bring a halt to the tedious everyone shakes everyone elses hand after the game.
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Alternatively a handshake is a palm to palm contact so if someone has the infection, coughs on his hand and shakes a hand it can be passed on.
Unlikely to make much difference with shirt grabbing etc..
This. There's a difference between grabbing on to the back of someone's shirt which likely hasn't been coughed on then touching someone's hand which possibly could have been coughed into.
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Alternatively a handshake is a palm to palm contact so if someone has the infection, coughs on his hand and shakes a hand it can be passed on.
Unlikely to make much difference with shirt grabbing etc..
This.
The point is that it is passed on if the virus comes into contact with the mucus linings in your mouth, inner nose or eyes. The obvious route being touching those parts of your body with your hands when the virus is on your hands.
Not much chance of it being passed onto those parts of your body from the back of your shirt or your socks.
It's just about little sensible things. The more of those we do, the more chance we've got of controlling this. And, seeing footballers not shake hands is newsworthy. It gets the message home that this is serious.
I know the accepted thing these days is to be sceptical of everything. This is time to f**king well change. Quick. This CAN be controlled if folk start taking it seriously and doing their bit to help control it. If people just say "b*llocks to it" it WILL be worse than you can imagine.
How do you fancy 25,000 people a day dying at the height of the outbreak and you knowing that you couldn't be arsed to do the little things when it mattered?
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Not much you can do with fans though, especially with a lot of them not even washing their hands after having a piss. In a packed stadium one person coughing and everyone around them could get it. That'll be especially bad when it comes to something like Euros.
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I agree with BST on this. It's not about panicking, it's about simple common sense things.
I can honestly say it won't make a deal of difference to my habits, as I'm a bit of a germophobe already. I always wash my hands with anti-bacterial before I eat anything, even a biscuit or a packet of crisps.
As regards the Rovers, as soon as the first cases appear in Donny, I feel our last couple of home games might be played behind closed doors, and streamed on Ifollow.
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Just mentioned this the other day
Asian Flu - most of the old timers on here will remember it AND most will have had it
Look at how many died in UK in the first "flush" of the disease. 3950 !!!
I remember the 4 of us in our house all having it at the same time. I told my local Barman today and he said "good god - did you all survive and I said no unfortunately my Parents died albeit some 30 years and a bit later"
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Blly, can you please stick to the Off Topic thread to talk in depth about this, thank you
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After this virus fades into memory and we have washed our hands to the bone and sanitised everything not still moving about ,there is one thing for sure everyone and everything will be very CLEAN and shinny !
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I am with BST and value his informed comments.
I can't allow ANY chance of bringing the virous home because of the vulnerability of a family member, due to her illness.
So I will not be going to any games until the crisis is over.
At my golf club they even bang elbows together at the end of a game now, things are changing.
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Reported on ‘Sky News’ over 70s to be warned to stay at home and that includes football matches.
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I'm sure that at some stage matches will be either played behind closed doors or postponed. However, I wonder where you are at greatest risk of catching Coronavirus (or indeed any other disease passed by human-to-human contact)? In a football stadium in the open air, where you have your own seat, or on a crowded bus or train, where you probably can't avoid coming into physical contact with strangers?
Maybe when we get to the stage of telling people not to go to public events we should be advising them not to use public transport and cut their social interactions to an absolute minimum.
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
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I'm sure that at some stage matches will be either played behind closed doors or postponed. However, I wonder where you are at greatest risk of catching Coronavirus (or indeed any other disease passed by human-to-human contact)? In a football stadium in the open air, where you have your own seat, or on a crowded bus or train, where you probably can't avoid coming into physical contact with strangers?
Maybe when we get to the stage of telling people not to go to public events we should be advising them not to use public transport and cut their social interactions to an absolute minimum.
I'd say it's half time when the concourses are full and the squeeze to get out at the end of the game that the transmission risk is the greatest.
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
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I've seen a few reports in scientific journals suggesting the death rate is MUCH lower than the more commonly reported one. A few places suggesting more like 0.1%. Part of the reason for that is the number of infected people not included from having mild or no symptoms.
If this is true, we're around the level of norma flu.
There's also doubts about how transmissable it has been reported as being. Also from scientific journals.
We'll see soon enough.
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
He said in the UK which it pretty much is.
29/02 - 21
02/03 - 39
04/03 - 85
06/03 - 163
We're up to 206 today.
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The paranoia about this is wonderfully absurd. There is a 2 % chance of dying if you catch it. Probably 1 in a thousand chance of catching it. But even if it was 1 in ten chance of catching it that would mean a 0.2% chance of it causing one's early demise. Its more dangerous crossing the road. It won't stop me watching Rovers.
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The paranoia about this is wonderfully absurd. There is a 2 % chance of dying if you catch it. Probably 1 in a thousand chance of catching it. But even if it was 1 in ten chance of catching it that would mean a 0.2% chance of it causing one's early demise. Its more dangerous crossing the road. It won't stop me watching Rovers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51718917
Yes 1 in 1000.....
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
Might help if you read what I wrote.
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The paranoia about this is wonderfully absurd. There is a 2 % chance of dying if you catch it. Probably 1 in a thousand chance of catching it. But even if it was 1 in ten chance of catching it that would mean a 0.2% chance of it causing one's early demise. Its more dangerous crossing the road. It won't stop me watching Rovers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51718917
Yes 1 in 1000.....
Lots of coulds and maybes in that official gov line, which is always going to be worse poss case scenario in the case of acute epidemics - the opposite when it comes to chronic epidemics.
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The paranoia about this is wonderfully absurd. There is a 2 % chance of dying if you catch it. Probably 1 in a thousand chance of catching it. But even if it was 1 in ten chance of catching it that would mean a 0.2% chance of it causing one's early demise. Its more dangerous crossing the road. It won't stop me watching Rovers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51718917
Yes 1 in 1000.....
Lots of coulds and maybes in that official gov line, which is always going to be worse poss case scenario in the case of acute epidemics - the opposite when it comes to chronic epidemics.
It does show how they expect it to be a lot lot closer than 1 in 1000 though.
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I've seen a few reports in scientific journals suggesting the death rate is MUCH lower than the more commonly reported one. A few places suggesting more like 0.1%. Part of the reason for that is the number of infected people not included from having mild or no symptoms.
If this is true, we're around the level of norma flu.
There's also doubts about how transmissable it has been reported as being. Also from scientific journals.
We'll see soon enough.
Hope you're right about the mortality rate. But there's a massive thing that no-one is taking into account on that score.
At the moment, even in China, there is enough capacity in hospital systems to hospitalise the worst cases and give them top quality care.
You can't do that at the peak of an epidemic. Not if you have 10 million people in the UK infected at the same time. Which is at the lower end of what the experts are saying to expect.
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The paranoia about this is wonderfully absurd. There is a 2 % chance of dying if you catch it. Probably 1 in a thousand chance of catching it. But even if it was 1 in ten chance of catching it that would mean a 0.2% chance of it causing one's early demise. Its more dangerous crossing the road. It won't stop me watching Rovers.
Do you get killed once in every 500 times you cross the road? Unlucky lad.
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Even if it is doubling every 2 days, that’s mainly because people are being tested.
There will most likely be hundreds of not thousands of people who have this virus but because their symptoms are so mild they don’t even know about it.
There is no way whatsoever that the number of people are going to die that billy is trying to suggest
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You can’t say that for certain, if he’s talking about a worst case scenario then it would hopefully be less, much less if we are careful..
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Dickos.
I am not suggesting anything. I have no expertise on this matter. What I'm doing is relaying the information I've seen from people who DO have expertise in this field.
Good to know that they are all wrong though. We are obviously in safe hands because you know more than the experts. That's quite a relief.
I'll give the head of the WHO and the Government Chief Scientific Adviser a bell and tell them Dickos says "Be reyt."
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Billy.
The health secretary was on tv only this morning stating there will be many people carrying this virus that do not know about it
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Billy.
The health secretary was on tv only this morning stating there will be many people carrying this virus that do not know about it
Yeah and that's terrifying. They'll be giving others it and not even know.
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Dickos.
Just a thought. Does it dawn on you that expert epidemiologidts might be aware of that?
That is precisely why they are estimating actual mortality rates around 1%, when the rate if you consider just those who have died compared to those who have survived and recovered is more like (correction) 6%. There are people much smarter than you and I who have spent their lives studying these issues. We should be listening to them. They are, across the board, saying this is very serious and needs to be treated very seriously.
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Billy.
The health secretary was on tv only this morning stating there will be many people carrying this virus that do not know about it
Yeah and that's terrifying. They'll be giving others it and not even know.
But me and you might have it right now, and not have any symptoms whatsoever other than a usual cold
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True but the folks you come into contact with or accidentally and unwittingly infect, may have less resistance and become ill.
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
He said in the UK which it pretty much is.
29/02 - 21
02/03 - 39
04/03 - 85
06/03 - 163
We're up to 206 today.
08/03 - 273
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
He said in the UK which it pretty much is.
29/02 - 21
02/03 - 39
04/03 - 85
06/03 - 163
We're up to 206 today.
08/03 - 273
It's grown exactly 13-fold in the past 8 days, 7-fold in the past 6 days and 3.2 times in the past 4 days. That's doubling at about once every 2.2-2.3 days. As Dickos rightly said in another post, that will be skewed somewhat because of the increase in testing finding a lot more cases that weren't found early on. And we should definitely hope that is the case, because if it DID increase this fast, we'd have millions infected by the end of the month.
Epidemiologists say that for most epidemics the doubling rate is about once every 5 days. That helps but all it really does is delay the peak of the crisis by a few weeks. If the real, underlying rate of increase IS once every 5 days, we'll see a million infections by the end of April instead, and 10million infections by mid-May. That's better than having the peak come a month earlier, but it's still WAY too quick for us to be able to handle without massive problems. We need to be taking as many precautions as we all can to limit the spread here and now.
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TRB.
That is coming. Very quickly.
Currently,the number of cases in the UK is doubling every two days. If that continues unchecked, we'd be fast approaching a million cases by the end of the month, and at 10million cases by mid-April.
I've no idea if it WILL keep on doubling at that rate without steps to check it, but if I were in charge and it did keep on increasing like that into the middle of next week, I'd be introducing some pretty draconian steps.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the last weekend with a full set of football matches played in front of live crowds.
There’s 42000 people currently infected, there’s been 103000 infected since it began.
Almost 60000 people have recovered from it
It’s not doubling every two days
He said in the UK which it pretty much is.
29/02 - 21
02/03 - 39
04/03 - 85
06/03 - 163
We're up to 206 today.
08/03 - 273
The doubling every two days theory is already dropping off then?
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Don’t forget that is diagnosed and reported cases, not the amount infected who aren’t ill yet, or who just act as carriers.
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Dickos.
Yes. Let's hope so.
But see my post on the previous page. If this settles down to a doubling every 5 days, that's still a catastrophe coming, and no cause for celebration.
It'd be like slowing down from 500 mph to 200mph before you hit the wall.
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Don’t forget that is diagnosed and reported cases, not the amount infected who aren’t ill yet, or who just act as carriers.
No but that’s not what was being discussed. You can only go by the figures released. And if there are thousands walking about with it with no illness doesn’t that show it’s not really that bad
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Dickos.
You have zero evidence that there are "thousands walking about with it with no illness".
You are being utterly irresponsible if you choose to believe it isn't really that bad, when the experts who spend their lives studying these things are telling us it has the potential to be devastating.
Look at the superb post by Dutch Uncle last night.
If the people telling you to start social-distancing, cover your mouth, wash your hands etc are wrong, the worst that happens is you're inconvenienced for a few weeks.
If they are right and you ignore them, the worst that can happen is that you are complicit in the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people.
It is a no-brainer.
If it turns out I've been over-reacting (and I fervently hope it does) you can take the piss out of me for all eternity. If it turns out you are being dangerously complacent...
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Don’t forget that is diagnosed and reported cases, not the amount infected who aren’t ill yet, or who just act as carriers.
No but that’s not what was being discussed. You can only go by the figures released. And if there are thousands walking about with it with no illness doesn’t that show it’s not really that bad
No it doesn’t show that at all..
those people may become ill, and even if they don’t they could act as carriers to infect other more vulnerable people..
This isn’t about you or me or BST or anyone else on here who always seem to disagree or find ways to disagree, it’s about public health.
We all hope this can be contained, and the effects reduced as soon as practical.
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Dickos.
You have zero evidence that there are "thousands walking about with it with no illness".
You are being utterly irresponsible if you choose to believe it isn't really that bad, when the experts who spend their lives studying these things are telling us it has the potential to be devastating.
Look at the superb post by Dutch Uncle last night.
If the people telling you to start social-distancing, cover your mouth, wash your hands etc are wrong, the worst that happens is you're inconvenienced for a few weeks.
If they are right and you ignore them, the worst that can happen is that you are complicit in the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people.
It is a no-brainer.
If it turns out I've been over-reacting (and I fervently hope it does) you can take the piss out of me for all eternity. If it turns out you are being dangerously complacent...
Of course I don’t have evidence to show that, but it’s common sense.
They’re only testing a tiny portion of people, the health secretary has stated its highly likely that there are thousands of people walking around with this virus
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And your point is?
Do you broadly believe epidemiologists who are saying that we are likely to have 10s of % of the population infected and a mortality rate of around 1%?
If you don't, tell us explicitly with reasoning why not?
If you do, what are you arguing about?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/51808683
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BST, we all know Dickos for his insatiable need to be contrary, it's his sole purpose for coming on here. Just don't take his bait and he'll quickly lose interest in posting his bollox.
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Dickos.
You have zero evidence that there are "thousands walking about with it with no illness".
You are being utterly irresponsible if you choose to believe it isn't really that bad, when the experts who spend their lives studying these things are telling us it has the potential to be devastating.
Look at the superb post by Dutch Uncle last night.
If the people telling you to start social-distancing, cover your mouth, wash your hands etc are wrong, the worst that happens is you're inconvenienced for a few weeks.
If they are right and you ignore them, the worst that can happen is that you are complicit in the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people.
It is a no-brainer.
If it turns out I've been over-reacting (and I fervently hope it does) you can take the piss out of me for all eternity. If it turns out you are being dangerously complacent...
Of course I don’t have evidence to show that, but it’s common sense.
They’re only testing a tiny portion of people, the health secretary has stated its highly likely that there are thousands of people walking around with this virus
Unfortunately dickos may be correct - or should I say worryingly dickos may be correct.
New data released from Italy shows 45% of people tested and found to have the virus only had mild symptoms - and 10% had it with no symptoms at all.
This is of course good news for them but extremely worrying for those more vunerable as it is now clear there are carriers who wont be self-isolating as they don't know they have it. Hence the whole country being put into lockdown.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-symptoms-death-rate-italy-data-latest-a9389411.html
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This has been an interesting read today 5 - 6 weeks into lockdown and with all kinds of discussion on what to do with the sport in the country.