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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: SydneyRover on March 30, 2020, 12:50:14 am
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So we can have a bit of objective balance here on the forum and give his supporters a fair go, here is chance to tell us why you support Johnson.
Feel free to tell us what he in his private life, working life or his life in his many official roles that has brought you to the conclusion that you can trust him, admire him or see anything at all positive about him :)
PS: I hope this is not going to be like brexit and there is nothing positive :lol:
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So we can have a bit of objective balance here on the forum and give his supporters a fair go, here is chance to tell us why you support Johnson.
Feel free to tell us what he in his private life, working life or his life in his many official roles that has brought you to the conclusion that you can trust him, admire him or see anything at all positive about him :)
PS: I hope this is not going to be like brexit and there is nothing positive :lol:
Ridiculous thread Sydney, but just to appease you I'll give you a simple short answer. The country voted for Brexit; Johnson promised to deliver Brexit, the Labour Party threatened to stop Brexit.
That OK for you?
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So we can have a bit of objective balance here on the forum and give his supporters a fair go, here is chance to tell us why you support Johnson.
Feel free to tell us what he in his private life, working life or his life in his many official roles that has brought you to the conclusion that you can trust him, admire him or see anything at all positive about him :)
PS: I hope this is not going to be like brexit and there is nothing positive :lol:
Ridiculous thread Sydney, but just to appease you I'll give you a simple short answer. The country voted for Brexit; Johnson promised to deliver Brexit, the Labour Party threatened to stop Brexit.
That OK for you?
And in a nutshell that is the problem in our Country, to people like that Brexit is all that matters and sod everything else and the consequences
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Did the county actually vote for the brexit Boris seems to be delivering.? Did the country vote for him to lie to the Queen.?
Anyway, everything to do with brexit should move to the time when we don’t need to deal with Coronavirus..
Boris did bring in the new Routemaster.
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combined with the fact that Brexit is just to help millionaires keep dodging paying tax while everybody else gets worse off, buts keep paying tax to pay for all the infrastucture they use.
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Did the county actually vote for the brexit Boris seems to be delivering.? Did the country vote for him to lie to the Queen.?
Anyway, everything to do with brexit should move to the time when we don’t need to deal with Coronavirus..
Boris did bring in the new Routemaster.
How many people actually knew how complicated it would be to get out of the EU.
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Assuming you want to have some good points, for a tory he is surprisingly loose with the purse strings and didn't intend to pursue the policy of hard austerity as before.
After a slow, some might say negligent start, he has shown willing to follow expert advice now the enormity of Covid 19 has become clear. He has handled things a lot better than Trump.
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Did the county actually vote for the brexit Boris seems to be delivering.? Did the country vote for him to lie to the Queen.?
Anyway, everything to do with brexit should move to the time when we don’t need to deal with Coronavirus..
Boris did bring in the new Routemaster.
Don't blame me IDM, Sydney asked the stupid question, not me.
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Assuming you want to have some good points, for a tory he is surprisingly loose with the purse strings and didn't intend to pursue the policy of hard austerity as before.
After a slow, some might say negligent start, he has shown willing to follow expert advice now the enormity of Covid 19 has become clear. He has handled things a lot better than Trump.
Talk about damned with faint praise - handled things a lot better than Trump! Other than Iran its hard to think of any leader of any country in the world that has handled things worse than Trump.
So here's my tuppence. He is great advocate of environmentally friendly policies, especially cycling and walking in town and city centres. Although he didn't introduce the cycle scheme in London he vastly extended and improved it - so much so it came to bear his name.
Only last week he announced an 'unprecedented' future future transport policy that would favor cyclists walkers and public transport over private car use. That's why he is encouraging people to go out cycling & walking during the crises - better get used to it...
https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-crisis-uk-public-transport-travel-cycling-driving-cars-a9431441.html
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Did the county actually vote for the brexit Boris seems to be delivering.? Did the country vote for him to lie to the Queen.?
Anyway, everything to do with brexit should move to the time when we don’t need to deal with Coronavirus..
Boris did bring in the new Routemaster.
How many people actually knew how complicated it would be to get out of the EU.
Lots. But they were shouted down as 'Project Fear'.
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Compared to Jezza he has a tough job, after seeing him off Jezza just has an allotment to look after.
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Compared to Jezza he has a tough job, after seeing him off Jezza just has an allotment to look after.
He doesn't look after his allotment very well apparently. He spends most of his time sat on the fence.
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Assuming you want to have some good points, for a tory he is surprisingly loose with the purse strings and didn't intend to pursue the policy of hard austerity as before.
After a slow, some might say negligent start, he has shown willing to follow expert advice now the enormity of Covid 19 has become clear. He has handled things a lot better than Trump.
Not a glowing endorsement; however I wholeheartedly agree...
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Just a thought here.
A few days ago Sydney told me that the Aussie government are also getting slated over their handling of this virus, following a thumping they received for their poor handling of the bush fire problem.
I wonder whether there is a government anywhere that isn’t being ostracised by the people in their countries.
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Quite the opposite Hound.
In most countries, the approval rating if sitting Govts has risen dramatically.
It's a "rally to the flag" thing. The interesting thing will be whether this continues long term.
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Fair enough BST, I didn’t know that.
There does appear to be some coming together here in England from what I have seen.
I was deployed to go to the supermarket for some essentials this morning.
I got there around 9am expecting a full car park and a big queue to line up in.
Instead, I was able to go straight in, found everything I needed and went straight to a checkout where I was second to be served.
The lady on the till told me that it seems as though the panic buying has calmed down over the last few days.
On my four mile journey home I saw only three other cars.
The main road through Hatfield has been extremely quiet all day.
Maybe, just maybe, the UK people in the main, have accepted that we have to do what we are told.
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Even Trump's approval ratings have gone up.
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Thanks SS nothing unexpected from you today :)
It's strange that it took Wilts a non-supporter of johnson to find a positive about him while the rest of his supporters were too busy point scoring?
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Thanks SS nothing unexpected from you today :)
It's strange that it took Wilts a non-supporter of johnson to find a positive about him while the rest of his supporters were too busy point scoring?
Who are his supporters? I didn't vote for him.
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I don’t think that any of us voted for him, unless we have a poster who lives in his constituency.
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I don’t think that any of us voted for him, unless we have a poster who lives in his constituency.
Nice one mate. I'll have to re-phrase that one. I didn't vote Tory.
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One big good point he has is he wins elections, it is a pity Labour might have to wait another generation to find someone like him. That is if they are about as a credible party by then, and have solved their internal strife.
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One big good point he has is he wins elections, it is a pity Labour might have to wait another generation to find someone like him. That is if they are about as a credible party by then, and have solved their internal strife.
The best thing Johnson can do for this country is self isolate for the next decade .
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One big good point he has is he wins elections, it is a pity Labour might have to wait another generation to find someone like him. That is if they are about as a credible party by then, and have solved their internal strife.
Yes he does selby and the result is the conversation we are having on the conorvirus thread.
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Fall in Covid-19 tests putting lives at risk, critics claim
UK fails to reach goal of 10,000 daily tests, prompting accusations ministers are misleading public
Looks like lies are now part of everyday life for this government
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/fall-in-covid-19-tests-putting-lives-at-risk-critics-claim
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I wonder if he really has got the virus or it's a cunning plan to stop him continuing to make a fool of himsen at the daily briefings.
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He's a genius it's those that voted that him in are the the fools TT
added: or didn't vote
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And to top it off johnson hires a PR guys instead of fixing the problems??????
Johnson rehires election chief to sharpen coronavirus messaging
Isaac Levido, protege of Lynton Crosby, to tighten up public health campaign after criticism
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/johnson-rehires-election-chief-to-sharpen-coronavirus-messaging
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Fall in Covid-19 tests putting lives at risk, critics claim
UK fails to reach goal of 10,000 daily tests, prompting accusations ministers are misleading public
Looks like lies are now part of everyday life for this government
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/fall-in-covid-19-tests-putting-lives-at-risk-critics-claim
my wife is a nurse and am they have plenty of tests but for some reason are not testing many people, not sure you can blame everything on the goverment, while yes I’m sure they have made mistakes some of the judgements within the nhs at the minute are woeful
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My sympathies go to your wife and all those on the front line workers and I praise them for being there bp but if the government that is responsible for funding, policies, the NHS, the running of the country as they have been for 10 years is not to blame then who the f*ck is ffs?
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I am sure you can blame the Government. unfortunately there were aided and abetted by a gullible and easily manipulated ( by a right wing media) electorate.
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One big good point he has is he wins elections, it is a pity Labour might have to wait another generation to find someone like him. That is if they are about as a credible party by then, and have solved their internal strife.
A good point is lying, deception, refusing to be subjected to major interviews and hiding from scrutiny in a fridge!
Putin wins elections with 75% of the vote - so that makes him a good leader does it?
You have a funny way of looking at the world selby if lying, cheating and manipulating the media are 'good points'.
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One big good point he has is he wins elections, it is a pity Labour might have to wait another generation to find someone like him. That is if they are about as a credible party by then, and have solved their internal strife.
A good point is lying, deception, refusing to be subjected to major interviews and hiding from scrutiny in a fridge!
Putin wins elections with 75% of the vote - so that makes him a good leader does it?
You have a funny way of looking at the world selby if lying, cheating and manipulating the media are 'good points'.
They might not be good points but just be his best points.😉
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what he is good at , unfortunately for us.
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I don’t think that any of us voted for him, unless we have a poster who lives in his constituency.
You're absolutely right hound. Sadly, there are an awful lot of idiots in the country that genuinely think they did!
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Quite the opposite Hound.
In most countries, the approval rating of sitting Govts has risen dramatically.
It's a "rally to the flag" thing. The interesting thing will be whether this continues long term.
Seems not.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef9ouL_XkAAjN5o?format=jpg&name=small
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Personally I just wish the c**t would stop waving his arms around when "ramming" home a point - doing the same but banging the Despatch Box in HOC during PMQs both of which drive me crazy
Oh and of course lose the Er Er err, the use of sifspedidlicieous words and of course the f*****g LIES
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Just watched the first episode of the Skripal story, this makes me angry to think that tw@t johnson doesn't give a shit or doesn't want to give a shit about how the russians are interfering in UK politics for fear of what may be uncovered.
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I can't imagine what a man with a reputation for liking the sauce could possibly fear might come out about him meeting with an ex-KGB senior officer and Putin confidant at a behind closed doors weekend piss up in Umbria that he went to without his security detail when Foreign Secretary.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/17/boris-johnson-met-alexander-lebedev-without-security-after-nato-summit
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What do you reckon that Russian billionaires yacht was doing in Scotland at the same time Boris was there? Delivering the caviar?
https://twitter.com/rupertg/status/1296555222639292418
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This could be one of his good points, if true....
https://www.businessinsider.com/dominic-cummings-father-in-law-boris-johnson-will-resign-february-2020-8?r=US&IR=T
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Personally, I’d like to see Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister, so in answer to the OP, perhaps Boris should take some credit as a talent spotter.
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Personally, I’d like to see Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister, so in answer to the OP, perhaps Boris should take some credit as a talent spotter.
With all due respect after all of the idiots he has surrounded himself with the law of averages must mean he can get one right.
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He's very good at looking after his mates....
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/08/25/government-awards-8-4-million-in-ppe-procurement-contracts-to-dormant-firm/
at the taxpayer's expense, of course!
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One of Johnson's finest traits is his ability to ned take responsibility for any of the hige list of f**k ups that he and his Govt has left in its wake.
Here's the latest example of that skill.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1298589442568069120
"A mutant algorithm"? Nothing whatsoever to do with the Govt that he leads then, eh? This mutant algorithm just emerged from a cave did it, and attacked the aspirations of millions of working class kids?
His other skill, which is much in evidence here, is gauging whether his supporters actually give a f**k when he screws things up and then insults their intelligence with his explanations.
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Be alert
Blame the mutant Algorithm
Move on (again)
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Meanwhile.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1298560653855252480
But difficult to reconcile this ba-baa about Russia being held to account while Johnson point blank refuses to even investigate what they are doing in our politics.
But meh, eh?
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Dominic Cummings wants the British Army to scrap all its tanks and armoured vehicles.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660069/Military-chiefs-draw-plans-scrap-Britains-tanks.html
What was it he was doing in those three years he lived in Russia again?
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Johnson to me has no "good points" whatsoever - and never had imo.
Hes got a good education no doubt and has used his knowledge and networking and undoubted "wheeler dealer" mentality to finally got the top job he was no doubt groomed for and covetted
So that may be a positive - but I will remain unconvinced if thats ok by others
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totally fine Wolfie, johnson is living up to the archetypal version of the rich useless dilettante (or even dilatant) that the cartoonist have have lampooned for years, it's sad that people fell for this charmless unctuous untruswothy bag of shit. There that seems to cover it :)
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totally fine Wolfie, johnson is living up to the archetypal version of the rich useless dilettante (or even dilatant) that the cartoonist have have lampooned for years, it's sad that people fell for this charmless unctuous untruswothy bag of shit. There that seems to cover it :)
You nearly fooled me with your OP about being objective.
I get it now.
Ha ha
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If you'd read the OP correctly Belton it was addressed to his supporters, which of course as you see I am certainly not. If he ever does something worthy I may give him praise but going on form I doubt I should live that long.
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The thread isn’t overflowing with supporters of Boris (I nearly wrote BJ lovers).
Maybe only one or two that I think would be in that category.
I’m not really surprised by that though.
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If you'd read the OP correctly Belton it was addressed to his supporters, which of course as you see I am certainly not. If he ever does something worthy I may give him praise but going on form I doubt I should live that long.
So wh are you answering your own post then?
I’m confused again.
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When you become a moderator you can decide the rules I suppose :)
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You’ve just stated this thread is for Boris supporters. Reading between the lines, I don’t think you are one.
What’s that got to do with the moderators?
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You're BB and I claim my fiver :)
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I’m not sure what that means, but if it helps you evade the point...
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IN 1979 the UK was sitting on a revenue bonanza from North Sea oil and gas measured in the tens of billions. It had a national debt of £80BN and it owned all it's utilities, transport, infrastructure and millions of social homes.
In 2020 the UK has a national debt of £2TN and virtually no assets. it has precious few friends left in the world apart from the dubious benefit deriving from the lunatic in the White House.
Neo-iliberalism has destroyed your future. It has destroyed the future of everyone other than the mega rich.
Regards
BobG
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There have been lots of governments since 1979.
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There have been lots of governments since 1979.
Yes, Hound.....but all following the neo-liberal economic formula, in one form or another.
That's why many voters think "they are all the same", and disregard policy differences.
They weigh those policies against the business as usual economic orthodoxy, and fail to see how their interests are protected.
Johnson is actually promoting a new feral interpretation of the free market, one which is unconstrained by public interest in any real way.
Survival of the fattest, you could say!
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I wish I could find a definition of "neo-liberal".
But if I did, I doubt it would cover the sort of massive Keynesian reflation policies of the Brown Govt in 2008-10.
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Here you go, BST;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Do for starters, anyway.
The point I was making is that the political damage was done prior to the attempt to reflate after the banking crisis.
Broon had already soiled himself by 2008, and was a busted flush leading into the 2010 election.
The events of 2008 led to the political opportunity for the austerity zealots to make claim on a new direction.
Johnson is defining himself outside the austerity frame, but re-basing the Tory Party on a new alignment, as you can see with the clean sweep of the old guard. Cummings has always been an advocate of changing the system, root and branch, to own the political culture going forward.
Sad thing is, it seems to be working, because some of the stuff they are doing is way beyond the pale, even in the recent past.
Take using the civil service as a blame sponge for the incompetents in Cabinet. Ministers are there NOT for ability, but for blind loyalty. Serve to be discarded, as soon as they cease to be useful cover.
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Thanks Albie.
Kind of makes my point for me.
"Neoliberalism constituted a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which had lasted from 1945 to 1980."
But Brown was always a Keynesian. Blair insisted with very seriously deleterious effect on public services, that we run a balanced budget in his first term. Brown won and internal battle to shelve that approach, and ran Govt deficits with positive impacts on growth pretty much every year after that. So I simply fail to see how he can be labelled "neoliberal" if the term is to be used in order to mean something, and not just as a scattergun insult.
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Brown also, from 2001, massively increased Govt spending on education, health and transport. Again, I fail to see how that gels with the "Neo-liberal" tag.
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Mmm Hound. Yes. And of the 41 years sinced 1979, all bar 13 have been Tory governments. Are you claiming that the Conservative Party has been completely ineffective in the 70% of those 41 years that they have been in power?
BobG
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Mmm Hound. Yes. And of the 41 years sinced 1979, all bar 13 have been Tory governments. Are you claiming that the Conservative Party has been completely ineffective in the 70% of those 41 years that they have been in power?
BobG
No Bob. I am not claiming anything.
You are putting your own thoughts into that.
Just in case you don’t know, I have no political party allegiance.
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Mmm Hound. Yes. And of the 41 years sinced 1979, all bar 13 have been Tory governments. Are you claiming that the Conservative Party has been completely ineffective in the 70% of those 41 years that they have been in power?
BobG
No Bob. I am not claiming anything.
You are putting your own thoughts into that.
Just in case you don’t know, I have no political party allegiance.
Hound, one thing I learned very quickly on here, a while back, is that if you question many of the individuals on here, you are instantly tarred with the blue Tory brush.
Billy thinks I’m a Tory supporter because I expressed a wish not to dance on Margaret Thatcher’s grave, singing ‘ding dong, the witch is dead’.
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Mmm Hound. Yes. And of the 41 years sinced 1979, all bar 13 have been Tory governments. Are you claiming that the Conservative Party has been completely ineffective in the 70% of those 41 years that they have been in power?
BobG
No Bob. I am not claiming anything.
You are putting your own thoughts into that.
Just in case you don’t know, I have no political party allegiance.
Hound, one thing I learned very quickly on here, a while back, is that if you question many of the individuals on here, you are instantly tarred with the blue Tory brush.
Billy thinks I’m a Tory supporter because I expressed a wish not to dance on Margaret Thatcher’s grave, singing ‘ding dong, the witch is dead’.
I hated Thatcher with a passion, but what I’d give today to have her PM instead of the clown we do have