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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Axholme Lion on June 02, 2020, 09:27:01 am
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Yesterday was the first day back at work for many after weeks of sitting earning no money, so let's all put our hands together for SY Police and their speed trap on Wheatley Hall Road last night waiting to catch someone doing 43 in a 40 zone and give them another unwanted bill. It's a pity the plod haven't got anything better to do at a time like this. Mind how you go. Evening all.
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You wouldn't get done for doing 43 in a 40 zone.
There does appear to be lots of people out there who think they can get away with excessive speeding.
If you don’t speed you don’t get fined.
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Some of the driving in Sheffield has been utterly out of control. I've seen someone drive at 50 down our (20 limit) side road.
I've zero time for hearing people whining about drivers being pulled for speeding. You know the rules. Stick to them and you don't get pulled.
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Anyone caught by the speed camera on Wheatley Hall Road must be plain stupid, they’ve been there in the same spot long enough, parked just after a bend, just after the Mini dealership going towards town and just after Parklands going out of town, it’s not like they’ve suddenly started parking there is it?
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Don't speed and you won't get fined. Simples.
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Exactly. If you get caught speeding, you've only yourself to blame.
They even give you a leeway for Christ's sake.
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
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They were also out in Bradford but the standard of driving here warrants them being out.
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Some of the driving in Sheffield has been utterly out of control. I've seen someone drive at 50 down our (20 limit) side road.
I've zero time for hearing people whining about drivers being pulled for speeding. You know the rules. Stick to them and you don't get pulled.
I have to agree. Some of the driving on the motorways has been ridiculous as well. People taking advantage of the quieter roads to bomb around at what must be 100mph in some cases.
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
It only makes them money because people speed.
As someone who has lost a family member to someone speeding in 40mph zone, I've no time for anyone who tries to make excuses for speeding.
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Is there any other offences the original poster thinks you should be able to get away with?
The law is there for a reason..
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I wish they would appear on our village again, the same 2 or 3 cars whose drivers think there is very little traffic to worry about and have been absolutely caning it down our street.
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Speed limits are in place out of town too, for a reason.
Hard to believe you think it is ok to speed out of town.
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
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Yesterday was the first day back at work for many after weeks of sitting earning no money, so let's all put our hands together for SY Police and their speed trap on Wheatley Hall Road last night waiting to catch someone doing 43 in a 40 zone and give them another unwanted bill. It's a pity the plod haven't got anything better to do at a time like this. Mind how you go. Evening all.
They have, and if people drove properly and safely they could be out doing it.
That whinge really gets up my nose.
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Anyone who can write a post like the OP has clearly never had a 13 year old family member mown down by a driver who reckoned it was OK to exceed the speed limit on the edge of town.
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
No I haven't done the course. I haven't had need to because I don't speed around town.
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They were also out in Bradford but the standard of driving here warrants them being out.
Likewise in Batley
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
No I haven't done the course. I haven't had need to because I don't speed around town.
So you speed outside town then do you?
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Well all I can say is having driven for my work all over South Yorks, Humberside and Lincolnshire all through this lockdown as a "key worker" The tossers are well and truly back this week.
Its nearly been a pleasure driving then over the last 2 to 3 weeks theyve been creeping back out of the woodwork more and more
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
No I haven't done the course. I haven't had need to because I don't speed around town.
You dont have to get caught speeding only in town to get the option of a speeding course, known as a driver awareness course.
The courses are available for people who get caught out in other areas too.
In a 60 limit for example, if you get caught doing 68 to 75 mph you get the
option of attending a course rather than get points or a fine.
It isn’t all about not speeding in town.
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I'm a very careful driver and I've been on two driving awareness courses. The second one I went on even the bloke who was running it had himself been on the course in the past. As he pointed out, all drivers drive over the speed limit on occasions, mostly by mistake, and those who end up on the speed awareness courses are the unlucky ones.
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Bullshit BB.
The unlucky ones are the ones like my wife's 13 year old cousin who was hit while he was waiting for a school bus by a driver who mounted a kerb when (in his words) only going a bit over the limit) and left permanently disabled.
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Now why did I expect you to pipe up! Are you telling me that the driver who knocked your wife's cousin down was offered a driver awareness course instead of receiving points on his license?
I don't condone driving above the speed limit even when it is accidental, and I don't think it is unfair to be summonsed for it. I pointed out that everyone drives over the limit on occasions, many of them by mistake. Nobody is infallible, not even you.
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BB
Thanks for your sympathy for my wife's cousin.
I didn't take umbridge at the comment about everyone breaching the limit.
I've done it myself. And been caught.
What sticks in my f**king throat is the idea that drivers in that situation are "unlucky".
I'm sure you'd appreciate what I'm saying if you came and visited my wife's cousin.
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Why are speed road signs put up ?
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BST, you're just looking for an argument for argument's sake. Drivers who are caught breaking the speed limit and are offered a speed awareness course are almost invariably no more guilty of speeding than every other driver. The fact that they are the ones who have been caught is why I describe them as unlucky, no other reason.
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Why are speed limit signs put up ?
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
No I haven't done the course. I haven't had need to because I don't speed around town.
You dont have to get caught speeding only in town to get the option of a speeding course, known as a driver awareness course.
The courses are available for people who get caught out in other areas too.
In a 60 limit for example, if you get caught doing 68 to 75 mph you get the
option of attending a course rather than get points or a fine.
It isn’t all about not speeding in town.
I would be amazed that anyone caught doing 75 mph in a 60 zone would get the option of a driver awareness course. Surely that is wrong?
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I don't speed in town but it just seemed to me a coincidence that on the first busy day back they are there with the money box. It's nothing to do with road safety, it's a money making exercise.
Only if you make it a money making exercise for them. Blame yourself, not others.
As for 'it's nothing to do with road safety', I take it you've never done the speed awareness course.
No I haven't done the course. I haven't had need to because I don't speed around town.
You dont have to get caught speeding only in town to get the option of a speeding course, known as a driver awareness course.
The courses are available for people who get caught out in other areas too.
In a 60 limit for example, if you get caught doing 68 to 75 mph you get the
option of attending a course rather than get points or a fine.
It isn’t all about not speeding in town.
I would be amazed that anyone caught doing 75 mph in a 60 zone would get the option of a driver awareness course. Surely that is wrong?
Just type “when would you be offered a speed awareness course” into google.
30 limit....between 35 and 42mph
40 limit....between 46 and 53mph
50 limit....between 57 and 64mph
60 limit....between 68 and 75mph
70 limit....between 79 and 86mph
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I was picked up doing 50 on a 40mph dual carriageway. Totally wrong of me and no complaints.
The awareness course was an eye opener and made me reflect strongly on my driving. I think and hope that I am much more careful now.
Ironically, I was speeding because I was late for a Donny match. The one where we we absolutely abject in losing 0-2 to Barnsley in early 2011 near the start of one of the worst runs in our history.
Not worth it on many levels.
BB. I understand exactly what you meant and I stand by what I said. Drivers who speed and get caught are not unlucky. They (we) get fair treatment. Like I say, the really unlucky ones are the ones who have their lives ruined by people behind the wheel who don't behave as they should.
I'm not looking for an argument because as far as I'm concerned there isn't one. I'm reminded of that everyone I see the shell of a man that my wife's cousin was left as.
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In that case, you were speeding intentionally and therefore not in the category I was referring to. My point is everybody at some point will break the speed limit and many of them will do so unintentionally.
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If the police want to catch hundreds of speeding drivers every day they should look at White Rose Way on the approach to Hyde Park roundabout.
Every time I'm on there going home from the gym (weeks ago obviously) I'm doing around the speed limit (40)
and every time, without fail, several cars shoot past me doing at least 50 and often much faster.
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I've been caught speeding three times.
Never had any complaints, my own fault.
All within the speeds posted earlier, and have never once been offered a speed awareness course.
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Anybody unintentionally speeding is guilty of driving without due care and attention. But no doubt if they got caught and charged with that they'd just be unlucky.
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Anyone who becomes obsessed with paying too much attention to speed signs in order to avoid getting a speeding fine is guilty of driving without due care and attention to other aspects of driving.
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The answer is ..... having speed limiters and controllers on cars so they cannot be driven above the limit.
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The answer is ..... having speed limiters and controllers on cars so they cannot be driven above the limit.
I agree entirely. The puzzling thing is that technology for it is readily available. It's enough to make one think that the money collected from speeding motorists is too beneficial to sacrifice.
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The answer is ..... having speed limiters and controllers on cars so they cannot be driven above the limit.
I don’t agree with that, as a professional driver I’ve come across instances where I’ve needed to accelerate to avoid a potential serious collision, if cars were limited you would just have dangerous convoys instead, we’ve seen that to a certain extent with Lorry’s being limited, nose to tale on the motorway with barely a gap between vehicles
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it's more likely to be it's effect on car sales and the lobbying from manufacturers. This is a guess but I would think that the money saved on insurance, repairs, hospitalisation and rehab and death would far outway the money collected from speeding.
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In that case, you were speeding intentionally and therefore not in the category I was referring to. My point is everybody at some point will break the speed limit and many of them will do so unintentionally.
No. I wasn't speeding deliberately. I wasn't concentrating and I let my subconscious need to get someone take over.
I wasn't unlucky though.
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The answer is ..... having speed limiters and controllers on cars so they cannot be driven above the limit.
I don’t agree with that, as a professional driver I’ve come across instances where I’ve needed to accelerate to avoid a potential serious collision, if cars were limited you would just have dangerous convoys instead, we’ve seen that to a certain extent with Lorry’s being limited, nose to tale on the motorway with barely a gap between vehicles
Filo, if speed controllers were used it would reduce those dangerous situations, I can't think of a situation where avoidance and breaking wouldn't be a better option than speeding ilegally. Cruise control is used on motorways without problems.
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People will always want cars, and if speed limiters were fitted to all cars there would be no effect on car sales.
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it could put the breaks on fast cars?
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In that case, you were speeding intentionally and therefore not in the category I was referring to. My point is everybody at some point will break the speed limit and many of them will do so unintentionally.
No. I wasn't speeding deliberately. I wasn't concentrating and I let my subconscious need to get someone take over.
I wasn't unlucky though.
You'd have been lucky to get away with it, but you didn't, unluckily!
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The answer is ..... having speed limiters and controllers on cars so they cannot be driven above the limit.
I don’t agree with that, as a professional driver I’ve come across instances where I’ve needed to accelerate to avoid a potential serious collision, if cars were limited you would just have dangerous convoys instead, we’ve seen that to a certain extent with Lorry’s being limited, nose to tale on the motorway with barely a gap between vehicles
Filo, if speed controllers were used it would reduce those dangerous situations, I can't think of a situation where avoidance and breaking wouldn't be a better option than speeding ilegally. Cruise control is used on motorways without problems.
You can always overide cruise control, I use it when towing the Caravan on the motorway, I set it at 60mph and even then you have to over ride it because some other d**khead can’t drive properly
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it could put the breaks on fast cars?
No cars are allowed to fulfil their speed capacity legally. The attraction of fast cars is the prestige of owning one more than owt else.
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I set the cruise control even on 30mph roads since the second time I got caught speeding. It stops my obsession with spending half the time looking at the speedo rather than the road in fear of getting done again!
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yes the perception that you (not you bb) with your fast car can be faster than another, which most people don't do. If that was taken away who would buy a fast car that couldn't do it? the mystique would be gone.
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it could put the breaks on fast cars?
No cars are allowed to fulfil their speed capacity legally. The attraction of fast cars is the prestige of owning one more than owt else.
I do it where possible.
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They could still produce prestigious luxury cars that would attract certain buyers. Buying a car that will go faster than others might be impressive even though it is of no more use than having a 20" penis in regards to using it to its full capability.
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You say that, BB but with practice and the right partner I can make it work.
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I've been caught speeding three times.
The one I mentioned previously.
Once in France last year where I saw a reduction from a 110kmh to 80kmh sign a fraction too late and was still doing 84 as I passed the sign which had a camera in it.
Once in Italy when we jumped in the car to go to the hospital where my father in law was terminally ill, after we'd had a call saying he was in the way out.
That last one cost us €469 after the hire car firm put their "admin costs" on the bill. But, I'll tell you what. It focusses the mind.
Italy is a good case study. They used to have carnage on the roads 20 years ago. The local news every night was full of footage of crashes. My wife's cousin was mown down in 1998 by a Kitson who was late for work, doing 100kmh in a 70 zone, clipped a kerb and lost control at the imminent corner.
They introduced much heavier speeding fines around 2002 and a points system on licences. There was uproar at the time. But look at the effect.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/694568/number-of-road-deaths-italy/
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Bloody hell 84 k in an 80 k is a bit punitive (to say the least)
Do they not operate the 10% + "a bit" rule ? Looks like they dont
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Carrots are better than sticks
https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/fair-go-safe-drivers-discounted-licence-renewal
I missed out this year because of a one point demerit for 3 klm over the speed limit from 3 years ago.
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Bloody hell 84 k in an 80 k is a bit punitive (to say the least)
Do they not operate the 10% + "a bit" rule ? Looks like they dont
They didn't in that case so I assume not.
That one was frustrating. I used cruise control all the way from Dover to Bologna and back and that was the one time I lost concentration. But I lost concentration. My fault. And a €60 fine to remind you to concentrate in future is not unreasonable.
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Those cars with satnavs that beep when there's a reduction in the speed limit are good in situations where you are concentrating on other aspects of driving or in your case when you simply lose concentration. I wish my car had that option. Perhaps all cars should?
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The heads up speedo on the windscreen is a big help too BB.
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It doesn’t take much - a glance, to check your speedo, as well as staying aware of the road signs.
This is why analogue needle point instruments are better than a digital display of X mph. It takes less time to observe where the needle is pointing - bearing in mind you would know which points 30mph etc are in the speedo - than it does to read and process an number. Same for oil temp, fuel gauge, rev counters etc.
A head up display isn’t really necessary for normal road use, the speed we go doesn’t warrant not being able to take a split second glance at your dashboard, as well as looking at the mirrors.
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IDM, I find the head up display quite useful.
In say, a 30 mph area, if I stray to 31 the display flashes and warns me to slow down.
I don’t have to even glance at the instrument panel.
Also, on the odd occasion that I am driving in an unfamiliar area and been in the situation where I am unsure what the speed limit is, the heads up display notifies me.
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HUD are designed for fast jet aircraft where even a split second distraction to look at the instrument panel can be deadly, especially at low level.
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Bloody hell 84 k in an 80 k is a bit punitive (to say the least)
Do they not operate the 10% + "a bit" rule ? Looks like they dont
No lee way in France of you are 1kms or more over the limit you are done ss far as I am aware
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Some time ago I attended a speed awareness course where the person taking the course asked everyone what they thought was the most effective way to stop people speeding. I replied that for me the best thing to slow me down were the speed signs at the side of the road in either red or green to show you your speed and whether you was above or below the limit. The instructor said yes I agree. Unfortunately for him however one of the other attendees then said. So if they are so effective why not put in more of them and not have so many sneeky speed cameras. Is it to do with raising revenue by any chance? I have to admit to feeling a bit sorry for him at that point.