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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: River Don on November 12, 2020, 08:00:44 am
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Lee Cain, Carrie Symonds, Dominic Cummings, Allegra Stratton, Munira Mirza, James Slack, Lynton Crosby, Lord Udny Lister...
Is there anyone running the government who has actually been elected?
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Isn't this just the same as any government ever?
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There’s a difference between advisors and senior civil servants..
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BFYP.
There's a massive difference with this Govt.
Johnson is bone idle and disinterested in detail. So he devolved the actual running of Govt to the No 10 office. That has never happened in our lifetimes. And THAT is why this is so important. Because this group are de facto running the country. Johnson is just the front of house salesman. And not one of them has ever been elected.
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.... yes the final sentence says it all really
One of the tenets of us leaving the EU was to do away with "being ruled by UNELECTED Bureaucrats" and being bound by whatever rules they impose on us
Here is a short excerpt from LSE
A popular claim by many supporters of the Leave campaign is that the EU is run by ‘unelected bureaucrats’. How much truth is there behind that claim?
This claim mainly refers to the EU Commission: the EU’s executive body. It is true that the Commission President and the individual Commissioners are not directly elected by the peoples of Europe. So, in that sense, we cannot “throw the scoundrels out”. It is also true that under the provisions of the EU treaty, the Commission has the sole right to propose EU legislation, which, if passed, is then binding on all the EU member states and the citizens of these member states.
Me again - so we have all those pointed out by BST - and there has been a lot of Nicky Morgan types (now Baroness Nicky Morgan unelected again and several more
Also coming soon but not the same "another mouth to feed) as Johnson appoints someone to hold White House style press briefings DAILY and they will be televised ! f****** rivetting
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Have you heard what kicked off this spat?
Lee Cain is No10 Director of Communications. Allegra Stratton, the TV journalist, is to be Johnson's new Press Secretary.
Cain wanted Stratton to report to him.
Stratton insisted on reporting directly to Johnson, because she wants to be able to influence policy.
That's right. An unelected journalist influencing policy.
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Bet Laura Kuennsberg is miffed
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Perhaps Boris doesn't fancy her.
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BST, I can't quote your post but are the numbers that startling?
Boris Johnson had 108 at the last report, Theresa May had 99.
Under Blair/Brown the numbers were between 70-85 typically, so yes smaller but still existing. The big increase was under Blair, he doubled the number of the previous government. So I wouldn't say it's quite the large change you're making out? Nor are they doing anything wrong? Note I don't disagree with your point on Boris lacking detail, but his process of using advisors is not a new thing.
Of course a lot of these advisers become MP's in time - Milliband, Ed Balls etc....
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The number of advisers isn't the problem. The fact that those advisers are deciding policy and effectively running the country is.
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Advisors are a problem if they are representing other interests at the same time as acting as special advisors.
Those who have a political or commercial interest in influencing policy and delivery will tend to lead the elected representative, not be guided by them.
The objective of many organisations is to have a voice at the table of the decision maker. This is not a benign interest.
It is true that this trend accelerated under New Labour.
Most people do not understand the mechanisms by which government processes are controlled and re-directed.
Why would Coco want to have a staff heavily biased towards Leave campaign group members?
What is the role of the permanent Civil Service, if their function of impartial advice is displaced by a parallel system of special interest advice?
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‘Stratton insisted on reporting directly to Johnson, because she wants to be able to influence policy.’
When did she say that?
Shocking!
If true.
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Are special advisors subject to the same requirements as elected representatives in respect to declaration of interest?
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Pies,
In theory, yes;
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/special-advisers
In practice, it is not too difficult to blur the lines of influence.
In some cases, relationships are only monetised after service is given.
Twas ever thus, but it is a growing industry operating in the spaces allowed by the democratic process and its constitutional arrangements.
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Sorry reply to MachoMadness #number 8
Someone posted a few weeks ago that Johnson was chuffed to be PM - and that he would love being able to say (forever) I was once the PM of the UK
What he didnt realise was to do both of those he had to actually DO the bit in the middle and even his allies knew that was something he does not have the stomach nor the desire to do and so they will be busy for a while yet doing the job for him
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This bloke was one of Gordon Brown's main advisors, so knows a bit about these things:
Anyone spot the uncanny similarity between the leak of the secret meeting on a 2nd lockdown to The Times to bounce the PM into agreeing it, & the leak of an offer of the Chief of Staff position to Lee Cain to The Times to bounce the PM into agreeing it?
https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/1326855112258691073
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Thanks Albie.
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''What he didnt realise was to do both of those he had to actually DO the bit in the middle and even his allies knew that was something he does not have the stomach nor the desire to do and so they will be busy for a while yet doing the job for him''
that was a piece by Marina Hyde, Wolfie
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‘Stratton insisted on reporting directly to Johnson, because she wants to be able to influence policy.’
When did she say that?
Shocking!
If true.
It would also be shocking if not true.
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Why should unelected advisors (and press spokespeople) be able to influence policy hound? Isn't that what MP's are supposed to do?
You can go an meet your MP and ask them to act on your behalf. You can't go and meet any of these advisors - unless you are mate or went to the same school as them.
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Why should unelected advisors (and press spokespeople) be able to influence policy hound? Isn't that what MP's are supposed to do?
You can go an meet your MP and ask them to act on your behalf. You can't go and meet any of these advisors - unless you are mate or went to the same school as them.
Wilts, why are you asking me that question.
I haven’t said anything that would indicate that I think it is ok for these advisors to influence policy.
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It's about far more than advising policy at No10. Cummings has wielded an unprecedented amount of control over all Govt departments. But it does look like he's overplayed his hand on this one. And he's lost his first lieutenant in the process.
Knowing the arrogance of the man, I'll be amazed if he's prepared to carry in working in a situation where he doesn't have unbridled authority. I'll bet he's resigned by mid-Summer.
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I would imagine everyone involved understands how little johnson knows and are fighting over who gets to pull the strings.
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''Amid renewed rumours that Dominic Cummings, Johnson’s chief adviser and another alumnus of the Vote Leave campaign, could also be planning to quit, one senior Tory MP openly called on Johnson to “get a grip”''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/12/boris-johnson-on-last-chance-say-tory-mps-after-lee-cain-row
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‘Stratton insisted on reporting directly to Johnson, because she wants to be able to influence policy.’
When did she say that?
Shocking!
If true.
It would also be shocking if not true.
But not surprising.
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‘Stratton insisted on reporting directly to Johnson, because she wants to be able to influence policy.’
When did she say that?
Shocking!
If true.
It would also be shocking if not true.
But not surprising.
I thought you would understand why I wrote that Belton.
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BST.
Dilemma for Cummings. Accept that he doesn't have total control all the time and stay at No10, or give up all his power and the ability to enrich himself and his mates at our expense. Tough one.
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MM.
Call me naive but I genuinely don't think it's about money for Cummings. Having read his blog for years, it's clear that he's a zealot who is convinced that he can remake Britain in the image that he wants. And he just doesn't take to people telling him what he can and can't do. If he gets muzzled now as a result of losing this power struggle, I can't see any way he sticks around. His ego won't let him be a lapdog.
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In today's Telegraph & Argus it reports that Philip Davies the Conservative MP for Shipley received £33,320 for 84 hours work.
GVC Holdings paid him this to provide advice on responsible gambling and customer service.
That's some hourly rate, more than a lot of people earn in a year for less than three weeks work. That's on top of his wage and other expenses.
Of course we are all in it together aren't we?
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Err. As I was saying...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54925322
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50 points for that one bst
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In today's Telegraph & Argus it reports that Philip Davies the Conservative MP for Shipley received £33,320 for 84 hours work.
GVC Holdings paid him this to provide advice on responsible gambling and customer service.
That's some hourly rate, more than a lot of people earn in a year for less than three weeks work. That's on top of his wage and other expenses.
Of course we are all in it together aren't we?
Where's Che Geuvara when you need him most?
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It also listed the other Bradford MPs. Their totals were far less. Less than five figures, two for flights and accommodation on visits to Kashmir and one of about £1,000 for accommodation at the Labour Party Conference fro the Unite union.
I have no problem with anyone claiming legitimate expenses but some just take the mickey.
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This may actually work in Boris's favour - he can hang a lot of shit round Cummings neck and start with a clean slate. Let's hope he picks the right cronies to join his group....
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The buck stops with Johnson. How can a Prime Minister blame the advisor he appointed and supported.
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No it's a points deduction for Bill, just been on the news that DC has left the building
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Word of the day is 'catchfart' (17th century): one who slavishly follows behind their boss and who blows with the political wind. Sums up members of The Clowns government very well
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The buck stops with Johnson. How can a Prime Minister blame the advisor he appointed and supported.
There have been posters on this forum who have claimed that Cummings was making the decisions and was running the country.
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there are people that disagree on this forum .............. shock horror
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hound, and they may be right but responsibility for that state of affairs still rests solely with the Prime Minister (the clue is in his title).
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The mess belongs to the "Manager" as he appoints reshuffles fires decides on policies and has to carry the can
So Prime Minister IS the Manager and he owns the whole mess - despite them "spinning it" as they would to place the blame on others and make HIM ook the decisive one
Good luck especailly with that last bit given he was a man who wrote 2 speeches on leaving the EU and remaining within the EU and kept them stored away to see which would fit his Agenda the best. Unfortunately imo he picked the wrong option though he did get what HE wanted (at the time) to be PM
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hound, and they may be right but responsibility for that state of affairs still rests solely with the Prime Minister (the clue is in his title).
Absolutely pies.
However I was indicating that some of our UK posters and overseas ones too were suggesting that Cummings was making the decisions, not Boris.
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Lots coming out of the woodwork now condemning either johnson or cumming but non of which puts johnson in a good light.
'i shouldn't have supported cumming over his lockdown trip'
translation ....... I knew he was lying but I supported johnson over good government
Added
https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1327639962980900864
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Hound.
(Check: Yes, Hound.)
De jure vs De facto.
Perfectly possible to have Mr A as the legally recognised and legally responsible PM, while in practice, Mr B is actually making the decisions.
That's what we've had for the past year.
We'll see what happens now, given Johnson's long established reputation for being bored by detail and too idle to put in the hours required to understand complex issues. That's why Cummings ended up making the COVID decisions back in February, while Johnson was off the scene sorting out his divorce. And why Johnson was so far off the script when he popped up again in early March, insisting he was going to carry of shaking hands while the SAGE people were imploring us not to.
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What is becoming a little clearer is the power behind the power behind the throne that Symonds is not shy of interfering and indirectly undermining johnson's decisions if those reports are true regarding her devious work against Cain's promotion. This in itself would make for interestesting discussions around the breakfast table.
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Tories doing what Tories do best when the country is a shyte show which it inevitably is under their governance , turn on each other .
With the clock running down on a trade deal with the EU , the pandemic returning us to another lockdown , the extension of the furlough scheme and Biden's election victory across the pond things have clearly come to a head in my opinion .
Less than 12 months ago it was a different story of course as Johnson won a massive majority on a brexit ticket with Cummings and co stars of the back office show .
It clearly escaped Johnson that their usefulness following the election was done and dusted but decision making clearly isn't his strongest suite as we know .
The stories coming out of Downing Street are of personality clashes , power grabs and what ever people at this level fall out about but the truth is in my opinion the fact the country's in total meltdown and the internal blame game has begun .
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Hound.
(Check: Yes, Hound.)
De jure vs De facto.
Perfectly possible to have Mr A as the legally recognised and legally responsible PM, while in practice, Mr B is actually making the decisions.
That's what we've had for the past year.
We'll see what happens now, given Johnson's long established reputation for being bored by detail and too idle to put in the hours required to understand complex issues. That's why Cummings ended up making the COVID decisions back in February, while Johnson was off the scene sorting out his divorce. And why Johnson was so far off the script when he popped up again in early March, insisting he was going to carry of shaking hands while the SAGE people were imploring us not to.
Yep, I am well aware of that possibility BST. (Mr A and Mr B).
Whether that has actually been happening though is probably less than certain.
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Hound.
I've given you an example of it happening.
By the first few days of March (by which time Johnson had missed FIVE Cobra meetings on COVID, we had a policy that we should be strongly encouraging less social contact. Cummings had been the key No10 person engaging with SAGE. Johnson then rolled into his first public briefing on COVID and announced to the nation that he fully intended to keep on shaking hands.
Either he was totally disconnected from the development of policy on that, or he was an idiot, deliberately undermining the agreed Govt policy. Either way, he certainly wasn't controlling it.
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By the way Hound, you might not think Cummings was in charge, but this article in the Times suggests HE did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1327700856565870592
Given that his usual MO is to go off like a Tasmanian Devil when he thinks journalists have tarred him unfairly (including a 4000 word rant on an official Govt site in April, tearing into journalists), let's see how he responds to this.
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By the way Hound, you might not think Cummings was in charge, but this article in the Times suggests HE did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1327700856565870592
Given that his usual MO is to go off like a Tasmanian Devil when he thinks journalists have tarred him unfairly (including a 4000 word rant on an official Govt site in April, tearing into journalists), let's see how he responds to this.
I have never said that I don’t think Cummings was in charge.
I have never said he was either.
Because I don’t know.
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Very Zen, Hound.
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Also very true.
You have a habit of quoting me of saying things that I haven’t said.
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By the way Hound, you might not think Cummings was in charge, but this article in the Times suggests HE did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1327700856565870592
Given that his usual MO is to go off like a Tasmanian Devil when he thinks journalists have tarred him unfairly (including a 4000 word rant on an official Govt site in April, tearing into journalists), let's see how he responds to this.
I have never said that I don’t think Cummings was in charge.
I have never said he was either.
Because I don’t know.
Well if I had to guess between the bloke who hid in a fridge to hide from reporters or the one who brazenly fronted out before the world's press about driving 60 miles to Barnard Castle and back test his eyesight - I know where my money would be.
Although if this week's reports are true, that the bloke who hid in a fridge appointed the bloke who went to Barnard Castle's mate to a senior job, only to withdraw it when his missus complained - it ain't either of them in charge now!
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This is a very credible take on the build what just happened and maybe why it may not resolve a lot.
''Now that Rasputin Cummings has fallen, who will grasp control of Tsar Boris?''
Andrew Rawnsley
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/now-that-rasputin-cummings-has-fallen-who-will-grasp-control-of-tsar-boris
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By the way Hound, you might not think Cummings was in charge, but this article in the Times suggests HE did.
https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1327700856565870592
Given that his usual MO is to go off like a Tasmanian Devil when he thinks journalists have tarred him unfairly (including a 4000 word rant on an official Govt site in April, tearing into journalists), let's see how he responds to this.
I have never said that I don’t think Cummings was in charge.
I have never said he was either.
Because I don’t know.
Well if I had to guess between the bloke who hid in a fridge to hide from reporters or the one who brazenly fronted out before the world's press about driving 60 miles to Barnard Castle and back test his eyesight - I know where my money would be.
Although if this week's reports are true, that the bloke who hid in a fridge appointed the bloke who went to Barnard Castle's mate to a senior job, only to withdraw it when his missus complained - it ain't either of them in charge now!
“If I had to guess”.
Does that mean you don’t know either?
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Hound.
If course we don't know for certain. But you draw conclusions on the balance of evidence.
Just like you draw conclusions on all politicians not being as bad as each other on the balance of evidence.
Or you don't. You can just opt out of it by an "all things are unknowable" approach.
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Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698
So much for the relaunch planned for this week.
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When does this f**kin pantomime finish?
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Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698
So much for the relaunch planned for this week.
Isn’t that one of those things that can happen though albie.
Not really anyone’s fault is it.
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nope nothing to see it's all just one big accident hound ............. waiting to happen
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Hound.
If course we don't know for certain. But you draw conclusions on the balance of evidence.
Just like you draw conclusions on all politicians not being as bad as each other on the balance of evidence.
Or you don't. You can just opt out of it by an "all things are unknowable" approach.
BST, do you truly believe that Cummings was running the country and making all the big decisions.
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Hound.
Yep. On the balance of probability, I do.
Why don't you believe that?
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.
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Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698
So much for the relaunch planned for this week.
Isn’t that one of those things that can happen though albie.
Not really anyone’s fault is it.
You are right there, Hound!
Lets see how many others have self-isolated, as the infected person was in a meeting with Coco.
Still a break on the relaunch, unless zoom does the job for the minute.
It is an example of Test and Trace working, so that is to the good.
I do wonder about Covid security in Downing Street and the HoC.
Surely they are all tested before even going to work there?
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So now Rees Mogg is looking to establish virtual attendance in parliament for Johnson. Wasn’t JRM the one who insisted MPs had to attend in person, earlier this year.?
f**king hypocrite. Should resign IMHO.
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.
I thought the app didn’t take any details, how does he know that was the person the app is contacting him about. I’m of the opinion he never had it first time around, and that was an attempt to hide away, and I think this is also an attempt to hide away after the latest events at No.10
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I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.
I thought the app didn’t take any details, how does he know that was the person the app is contacting him about. I’m of the opinion he never had it first time around, and that was an attempt to hide away, and I think this is also an attempt to hide away after the latest events at No.10
Now THAT is a very good point Filo. TTTI is supposed to be anonymous isn't it?
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Just another government leak.
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It's all very convenient again, means he misses PMQT I'm guessing he was in for a roasting from Starmer. Doesn't have to face the media Brexit failure, covid figures, lockdown etc
It all seems too familiar and convenient to last time when he allegedly had it
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Hang on.
Why does he have to self-isolate for a fortnight?
He's the f**king PM. In the middle of two national emergencies.
Get him tested every day and if he's clear after a few days, get him back to work.
Back in April when we had a twentieth of the current testing capacity, the children of Govt ministers were being tested because of ministers' importance to the working of Govt. Why is it different now?
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This whole Johnson self-isolation claptrap reminds me of what Max Hastings, his old boss at the Telegraph said about him. He listed his faults: lying, infidelity, bombast, laziness, lack of interest in anything but his own career.
Then he nailed it. He said, "Yet his graver vice is cowardice".
And here we are. An acutely embarrassing argument in his own office. His girlfriend apparently calling the shots on getting rid of staff who have regularly insulted her. And Johnson chooses to vanish for a fortnight.
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Why were the visiting MP's not wearing masks?
Johnson didn't need to because it was his workplace - but it wasn't their's.They were visiting him for a tour (like they have nothimg better to do).
Hands. Face. Space.
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Hang on.
Why does he have to self-isolate for a fortnight?
He's the f**king PM. In the middle of two national emergencies.
Get him tested every day and if he's clear after a few days, get him back to work.
Back in April when we had a twentieth of the current testing capacity, the children of Govt ministers were being tested because of ministers' importance to the working of Govt. Why is it different now?
Really?
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Why were the visiting MP's not wearing masks?
Johnson didn't need to because it was his workplace - but it wasn't their's.They were visiting him for a tour (like they have nothimg better to do).
Hands. Face. Space.
And Downing Street is a COVID-safe workplace. Looks like someone's not been sticking to the rules.
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Was he alerted by the app or being called by the test and trace service.?
Either way, you would expect that the mp who tested positive would have told Johnson anyway, so the anonymity issue isn’t really important here..
Interesting that Johnson is claiming to follow rules after his rule breaker in chief has left.!
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If I get sent home I won't get paid. Will BJ be on £95 per week sick pay?
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No because he is working from home.
Can you work from home.?
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I'll ask you all the same question I asked previously, that none of you answered. Are the 2 nurses who looked after him, one from New Zealand and the other from Portugal, a pair of liars?
Yes or no?
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Yes.
Edit, either actors or under duress.
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Don't you just love conspiracy theories!
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Aye, just like those health passports were a conspiracy.
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SS.
I've never doubted that Johnson was ill in April.
But I can't for the life of me see why he has to self isolate for a fortnight now. When, back in April, Gove was able to get a test on his kids so that he didn't have to self-isolate.
Surely you see there is something not smelling right here? Especially from a man who hid in a fridge rather than answer tough questions.
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Aye, just like those health passports were a conspiracy.
Not sure who said they were a conspiracy Nudga. I'd welcome them. Anyone who chooses to exercise their right not to take a vaccine can then be kept on lockdown while the rest of us get on with life.
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Yeah you said, twice already.
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Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698
So much for the relaunch planned for this week.
Isn’t that one of those things that can happen though albie.
Not really anyone’s fault is it.
You are right there, Hound!
Lets see how many others have self-isolated, as the infected person was in a meeting with Coco.
Still a break on the relaunch, unless zoom does the job for the minute.
It is an example of Test and Trace working, so that is to the good.
I do wonder about Covid security in Downing Street and the HoC.
Surely they are all tested before even going to work there?
On this evenings news it was said that the other MPs who were present have also had to isolate.
I would think that zoom meetings will allow things to continue.
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Why don't they wear masks in parliament? Or social distance for that matter?,
All that shouting and hot air and bullshit flying around. Not one MP dead. Amazing.
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That is important, Nudga.
It is clear that they did not need to meet face to face.
They could have worn masks, kept social distance, been in a well ventilated space or routinely tested before entering the premises.
Instead they think they are exceptions....better than the rules for the likes of us!
Anyone with half a brain would think "how does this look", as well as "what is the safest way to act".
That they did not shows that they are unfit to set rules for others.
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They don't wear masks for the same reason we don't at work. Because we have social distancing measures. They do do social distancing in Parliament. Watch it on the TV.
Presumably they didn't properly engage in social distancing in Johnson's meeting last week. You'd have to ask him why not.
Several dozen MPs have tested positive. 1% of those who get it typically die, so it's not surprising that none have died. Even if every single one did, AND they had the same age profile as the general population, you'd only expect 7-6 to die of it.
But why focus on such a small group? Why not look at the country as a whole where 4-500 a day are dying of it? Or the world, where getting on for 10,000 a day are dying of it? Or is it all a conspiracy again, with every doctor, nurse, coroner and health administrator in the world all in on it?
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SS.
I've never doubted that Johnson was ill in April.
But I can't for the life of me see why he has to self isolate for a fortnight now. When, back in April, Gove was able to get a test on his kids so that he didn't have to self-isolate.
Surely you see there is something not smelling right here? Especially from a man who hid in a fridge rather than answer tough questions.
Yes, I agree with all of that.
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They don't wear masks for the same reason we don't at work. Because we have social distancing measures. They do do social distancing in Parliament. Watch it on the TV.
Presumably they didn't properly engage in social distancing in Johnson's meeting last week. You'd have to ask him why not.
Several dozen MPs have tested positive. 1% of those who get it typically die, so it's not surprising that none have died. Even if every single one did, AND they had the same age profile as the general population, you'd only expect 7-6 to die of it.
But why focus on such a small group? Why not look at the country as a whole where 4-500 a day are dying of it? Or the world, where getting on for 10,000 a day are dying of it? Or is it all a conspiracy again, with every doctor, nurse, coroner and health administrator in the world all in on it?
That's the trouble with conspiracy theories; too many people have to be in on it, and not let anything slip.
Look at the moon landings. For that to be a hoax, thousands of NASA employees would have had to be in on it, and keep it a secret for the last 50 years.
It's just not feasible.
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We have to wear masks where I work a nd are supposed to stick to the 2m social distancing.. due to the amount of movement the latter isn’t always possible..
Then you get the f**ktards who insist on wearing the mask on a way that prevents getting Covid through their chin, rather than their nose.. roughly 10% of them. Then you see those who drop their mask when having a chat with a colleague - to be heard better - but also within 2m.
These are the folks who don’t care, what other rules don’t they bother about.?
I make sure I keep well away from those covidiots.!
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No because he is working from home.
Can you work from home.?
No. I know people have had it here but still came to work as they couldn't afford not to.