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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: roverstillidie91 on December 06, 2020, 06:03:15 pm
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Just an observation really.
Let us hope we go into tier 2 and can have fans back at the games (we know what we need to do i.e hands face space, the 2 covid apps if you believe in that kind of thing etc)
So lets say 2000 fans attend a game and a family of 4 test positive for Covid 19.
Will D.R.F.C and likewise the other clubs be doing some form of system testing and tracing if they have been in close proximity or because the likelihood of transmitting outdoors is lower will that not be required?
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I would guess the measures will make it a covid safe environment?
I think test & trace is about who you've been in close contact with for 15 minutes or more? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't imagine that if someone tests positive then everyone who was in Aldi with em that day would be asked to isolate.
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I would guess the measures will make it a covid safe environment?
I think test & trace is about who you've been in close contact with for 15 minutes or more? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't imagine that if someone tests positive then everyone who was in Aldi with em that day would be asked to isolate.
But you are highly unlikely to be in close contact with anyone in a supermarket for longer than 15 minutes. Whereas you could be sat near someone for 90 minutes.
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Am I right in saying that fans back in the ground are not allowed to chant and sing?
Some of the ones I saw on MOTD were disobeying those rules.
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I would guess the measures will make it a covid safe environment?
I think test & trace is about who you've been in close contact with for 15 minutes or more? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't imagine that if someone tests positive then everyone who was in Aldi with em that day would be asked to isolate.
But you are highly unlikely to be in close contact with anyone in a supermarket for longer than 15 minutes. Whereas you could be sat near someone for 90 minutes.
Not within 2 metres you're not, that's the point, other than your bubble.
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I would guess the measures will make it a covid safe environment?
I think test & trace is about who you've been in close contact with for 15 minutes or more? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't imagine that if someone tests positive then everyone who was in Aldi with em that day would be asked to isolate.
But you are highly unlikely to be in close contact with anyone in a supermarket for longer than 15 minutes. Whereas you could be sat near someone for 90 minutes.
Not within 2 metres you're not, that's the point, other than your bubble.
Have you seen any of the games that have fans allowed in? Social distancing? Mask wearing? errrrr
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They seem to cram 2k fans together, with acres of empty seats elsewhere?
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I would guess the measures will make it a covid safe environment?
I think test & trace is about who you've been in close contact with for 15 minutes or more? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't imagine that if someone tests positive then everyone who was in Aldi with em that day would be asked to isolate.
But you are highly unlikely to be in close contact with anyone in a supermarket for longer than 15 minutes. Whereas you could be sat near someone for 90 minutes.
Not within 2 metres you're not, that's the point, other than your bubble.
Have you seen any of the games that have fans allowed in? Social distancing? Mask wearing? errrrr
From what I've seen most are wearing masks. The seats are allocated so bubbles are kept apart but I have seen clips where people seem to be gathered together, worryingly, so I take your point on that.
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Am I right in saying that fans back in the ground are not allowed to chant and sing?
Some of the ones I saw on MOTD were disobeying those rules.
Spurs fans were making plenty of noise this afternoon.
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I believe you only have to wear a face mask when walking around not when you are in your seat
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They are compulsory at all times inside Premiership grounds. Don't know about EFL.
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Lots of Northampton fans behind the goal not wearing masks
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If they have any sense they all would use them
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
Yep and then go home to infect all their friends and relatives.
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
If you have breathing difficulties you should be isolating and not putting your life at risk.
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I’ve been to Gainsborough trinity a fair few times since higher league football ended. We had to either scan the qr code to check in on the nhs app or provide contact details.
That was for crowds of 4-500
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
Nob.
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Do all supporters have to wear face coverings?
Supporters must wear face coverings when entering and exiting the stadium and in all communal areas of the ground i.e. indoor toilet, internal concourse areas etc. It is mandatory for supporters to wear face coverings in hospitality areas and they can only be removed when consuming food and drink.In accordance with the Government Guidance, it is strongly recommended that face covers are worn at all times inside the stadium bowl. This should form part of the Supporters’ Code of Conduct. Clubs will also need to consider where there may be any specific exemptions, based on individual circumstances. Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
https://www.efl.com/siteassets/image/covid-19/return-of-fans-faq-updated-1st-december-2020---full-document-1.pdf
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Sensible SM. Would a scarf suffice? You'd think so?
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I'm worried about the bloke who usually sits behind me having to wear a mask during the game. Surely inhaling all that bullshit can't be any good for him?
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
Yep and then go home to infect all their friends and relatives.
If they are all healthy prime beefers, who the hells going to catch what off whom?
We are now at herd status so chill out and wait for ya injection..lol
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Unless they have breathing difficulties of course ..... is all bubble schmubble to me ...
Only the healthy should be allowed in...if you have had any shielding issues or self isolation due to ill health issues ya can bloody stop at hom,
and let those prime beef full on healthy supporters under 60 years of age get on with clapping and cheering and hugging when we score
Nob.
Glad you survived
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Do all supporters have to wear face coverings?
Supporters must wear face coverings when entering and exiting the stadium and in all communal areas of the ground i.e. indoor toilet, internal concourse areas etc. It is mandatory for supporters to wear face coverings in hospitality areas and they can only be removed when consuming food and drink.In accordance with the Government Guidance, it is strongly recommended that face covers are worn at all times inside the stadium bowl. This should form part of the Supporters’ Code of Conduct. Clubs will also need to consider where there may be any specific exemptions, based on individual circumstances. Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.
https://www.efl.com/siteassets/image/covid-19/return-of-fans-faq-updated-1st-december-2020---full-document-1.pdf
Why can’t directives and guidelines be 1 page long ?
Surely anyone who can not wear a face covering shouldn’t be allowed into the stadium for their own health ?
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Unfortunately, as this forum often testifies, there are some ignorant, reckless and selfish individuals sharing this planet.
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And some seriously gullible ones too.....
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Plenty of evidence. And a little thing called google will help you find it: https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+supporting+masks
A pretty cool video demonstration of mask v no mask here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&ab_channel=TheSlowMoGuys
And if you still don't believe Masks can save lives, you're probably an idiot and beyond hope.
And if you're just here to wind people up, how about pack it in being a moron.
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Take away the question of if a mask works or not, would it really harm anyone to wear one while we are in the middle of a pandemic?
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Take away the question of if a mask works or not, would it really harm anyone to wear one while we are in the middle of a pandemic?
Only the covidiots of whom we seem to have one posting on this thread :facepalm: :facepalm:
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The best analogy I’ve seen....
If I drink too much lager I will eventually pi$$ myself. If my winky is hanging out, it will go on your shoes and you will be angry.
If I drink too much lager and eventually pi$$ myself but my winky is safely covered by a fabric mask? Let’s for arguments sake call them pants and trousers, I will get wet and you will laugh rather than being splashed and angry.
Wear a winky mask. Or a proper one. And drink responsibly kids ;)
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That really made me laugh! BRILLIANT!
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That's the best I have seen. Excellent
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Plenty of evidence. And a little thing called google will help you find it: https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+supporting+masks
A pretty cool video demonstration of mask v no mask here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&ab_channel=TheSlowMoGuys
And if you still don't believe Masks can save lives, you're probably an idiot and beyond hope.
And if you're just here to wind people up, how about pack it in being a moron.
Stop quoting force fed information and open your eyes.....
Pandemic = global lockdown
4 days off over Xmas to mix groups = pandemic not that serious
Add up all the things that appear or seem wrong and then look at the source of all these wrongs and you will notice the Government initiates everything...without having to produce any evidence .....they can and will control you because you really want to be told what you can and can’t do...
There is no shame in being easily manipulated....... you are just not ready to see what’s in front of you...
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So every healthcare professional on the planet is in on this global conspiracy then? nutter.
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So every healthcare professional on the planet is in on this global conspiracy then? nutter.
Now ya being silly !
Have you actually sat down and thought about the rules being imposed on you....
Tell me this ..... do you agree with EVERY rule that has been imposed upon you???
Yes or no ?
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So every healthcare professional on the planet is in on this global conspiracy then? nutter.
Now ya being silly !
Have you actually sat down and thought about the rules being imposed on you....
Tell me this ..... do you agree with EVERY rule that has been imposed upon you???
Yes or no ?
How am I being silly. You're being a fruitcake.
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Plenty of evidence. And a little thing called google will help you find it: https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+supporting+masks
A pretty cool video demonstration of mask v no mask here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&ab_channel=TheSlowMoGuys
And if you still don't believe Masks can save lives, you're probably an idiot and beyond hope.
And if you're just here to wind people up, how about pack it in being a moron.
Stop quoting force fed information and open your eyes.....
Pandemic = global lockdown
4 days off over Xmas to mix groups = pandemic not that serious
Add up all the things that appear or seem wrong and then look at the source of all these wrongs and you will notice the Government initiates everything...without having to produce any evidence .....they can and will control you because you really want to be told what you can and can’t do...
There is no shame in being easily manipulated....... you are just not ready to see what’s in front of you...
I think you need to understand the difference between scientists who work on facts and a totally incompetent government who choose to ignore them most of the time.
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
Plenty of evidence. And a little thing called google will help you find it: https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+supporting+masks
A pretty cool video demonstration of mask v no mask here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&ab_channel=TheSlowMoGuys
And if you still don't believe Masks can save lives, you're probably an idiot and beyond hope.
And if you're just here to wind people up, how about pack it in being a moron.
Stop quoting force fed information and open your eyes.....
Pandemic = global lockdown
4 days off over Xmas to mix groups = pandemic not that serious
Add up all the things that appear or seem wrong and then look at the source of all these wrongs and you will notice the Government initiates everything...without having to produce any evidence .....they can and will control you because you really want to be told what you can and can’t do...
There is no shame in being easily manipulated....... you are just not ready to see what’s in front of you...
I think you need to understand the difference between scientists who work on facts and a totally incompetent government who choose to ignore them most of the time.
Yet there are 2 opinions coming out of the science....and we are being fed one without healthy debate...
Tune into Talkradio, it might address those issues that are a bit grey
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So every healthcare professional on the planet is in on this global conspiracy then? nutter.
Now ya being silly !
Have you actually sat down and thought about the rules being imposed on you....
Tell me this ..... do you agree with EVERY rule that has been imposed upon you???
Yes or no ?
How am I being silly. You're being a fruitcake.
There was a little question in there somewhere...I’m assuming you don’t read much?
Just say “ yes ! I believe everything I’m told regarding the pandemic”
then we don’t have to go round in circles without conclusion , you clearly have an opposing belief to me and I want to hear it !
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Jesus, how many times do people need to be told.
Masks are not to protect you. They are to prevent you transmitting whatever you have to others. It’s why I get angry when I see people not wearing them properly. They think they are taking the risk. They are very very wrong (and stupid)
Is there any scientific evidence to support this theory ?
I tend to get angry seeing normal educated people still wearing masks in tescos......
We all have our little foibles I guess....
We are only being fed one version of 'the science' from Dim Whitty and his side kick Dr Gloom. What about Keep It in yer trousers Ferguson who has never got a prediction right in his life.
Plenty of evidence. And a little thing called google will help you find it: https://www.google.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+supporting+masks
A pretty cool video demonstration of mask v no mask here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&ab_channel=TheSlowMoGuys
And if you still don't believe Masks can save lives, you're probably an idiot and beyond hope.
And if you're just here to wind people up, how about pack it in being a moron.
Stop quoting force fed information and open your eyes.....
Pandemic = global lockdown
4 days off over Xmas to mix groups = pandemic not that serious
Add up all the things that appear or seem wrong and then look at the source of all these wrongs and you will notice the Government initiates everything...without having to produce any evidence .....they can and will control you because you really want to be told what you can and can’t do...
There is no shame in being easily manipulated....... you are just not ready to see what’s in front of you...
I think you need to understand the difference between scientists who work on facts and a totally incompetent government who choose to ignore them most of the time.
Yet there are 2 opinions coming out of the science....and we are being fed one without healthy debate...
Tune into Talkradio, it might address those issues that are a bit grey
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Let me ask you a question sha66y,
When you're driving your car do you stop at red lights, allow pedestrians to cross on a pelican crossing, drive on the left, drive the right way on motorways etc? If yes, why do you do that? Because of the rules of the road of course, and those rules exist so that we don't have accidents and kill people. So, its OK to observe those rules that the Government lay down, but its not OK during a pandemic to follow the rules and save peoples lives? Why is that?
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Let me ask you a question sha66y,
When you're driving your car do you stop at red lights, allow pedestrians to cross on a pelican crossing, drive on the left, drive the right way on motorways etc? If yes, why do you do that? Because of the rules of the road of course, and those rules exist so that we don't have accidents and kill people. So, its OK to observe those rules that the Government lay down, but its not OK during a pandemic to follow the rules and save peoples lives? Why is that?
Because those rules apply across the whole of the UK, ( Eng,Scot,Wal,Irl)
they actually make sense and don’t keep changing on a whim......
Over to you!
are you saying that all the rules you have been expected to observe make absolute sense, are you saying that being able to mix over Xmas is a great rule and the virus will overlook this because of the occasion, are you saying that all the problems caused financially and health wise are really worth it for a virus that affects less than 1% of those that are infected?
I don’t expect you to question anything you are told by the Government or the mainstream media, however I find that whilst my head is out of my ass, I will continue to question every single ridiculous rule that changes depending on what day it is....
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Talk Radio?
Nearly as far to the right as LBC is to the left.
I think you need to be a bit more selective.
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Let me ask you a question sha66y,
When you're driving your car do you stop at red lights, allow pedestrians to cross on a pelican crossing, drive on the left, drive the right way on motorways etc? If yes, why do you do that? Because of the rules of the road of course, and those rules exist so that we don't have accidents and kill people. So, its OK to observe those rules that the Government lay down, but its not OK during a pandemic to follow the rules and save peoples lives? Why is that?
Because those rules apply across the whole of the UK, ( Eng,Scot,Wal,Irl)
they actually make sense and don’t keep changing on a whim......
Over to you!
are you saying that all the rules you have been expected to observe make absolute sense, are you saying that being able to mix over Xmas is a great rule and the virus will overlook this because of the occasion, are you saying that all the problems caused financially and health wise are really worth it for a virus that affects less than 1% of those that are infected?
I don’t expect you to question anything you are told by the Government or the mainstream media, however I find that whilst my head is out of my ass, I will continue to question every single ridiculous rule that changes depending on what day it is....
8=
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Let me ask you a question sha66y,
When you're driving your car do you stop at red lights, allow pedestrians to cross on a pelican crossing, drive on the left, drive the right way on motorways etc? If yes, why do you do that? Because of the rules of the road of course, and those rules exist so that we don't have accidents and kill people. So, its OK to observe those rules that the Government lay down, but its not OK during a pandemic to follow the rules and save peoples lives? Why is that?
Because those rules apply across the whole of the UK, ( Eng,Scot,Wal,Irl)
they actually make sense and don’t keep changing on a whim......
Over to you!
are you saying that all the rules you have been expected to observe make absolute sense, are you saying that being able to mix over Xmas is a great rule and the virus will overlook this because of the occasion, are you saying that all the problems caused financially and health wise are really worth it for a virus that affects less than 1% of those that are infected?
I don’t expect you to question anything you are told by the Government or the mainstream media, however I find that whilst my head is out of my ass, I will continue to question every single ridiculous rule that changes depending on what day it is....
1% is still 75 million people dead if we let it go through the population of the world. Are you happy with that? You're also not taking into consideration the after affects of the virus. To me it makes sense to try and slow that number down until we've got a vaccine, which is what most of the countries have done. We've now got a vaccine rolling out so hopefully come February we'll slowly start seeing the numbers coming down. Do I agree with everything this governments done? Definitely not but that doesn't make Covid any less of a problem than it is.
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Talk Radio?
Nearly as far to the right as LBC is to the left.
I think you need to be a bit more selective.
Last time I turned LBC on Nick Ferrari was the host :headbang:
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Let me ask you a question sha66y,
When you're driving your car do you stop at red lights, allow pedestrians to cross on a pelican crossing, drive on the left, drive the right way on motorways etc? If yes, why do you do that? Because of the rules of the road of course, and those rules exist so that we don't have accidents and kill people. So, its OK to observe those rules that the Government lay down, but its not OK during a pandemic to follow the rules and save peoples lives? Why is that?
Because those rules apply across the whole of the UK, ( Eng,Scot,Wal,Irl)
they actually make sense and don’t keep changing on a whim......
Over to you!
are you saying that all the rules you have been expected to observe make absolute sense, are you saying that being able to mix over Xmas is a great rule and the virus will overlook this because of the occasion, are you saying that all the problems caused financially and health wise are really worth it for a virus that affects less than 1% of those that are infected?
I don’t expect you to question anything you are told by the Government or the mainstream media, however I find that whilst my head is out of my ass, I will continue to question every single ridiculous rule that changes depending on what day it is....
1% is still 75 million people dead if we let it go through the population of the world. Are you happy with that? You're also not taking into consideration the after affects of the virus. To me it makes sense to try and slow that number down until we've got a vaccine, which is what most of the countries have done. We've now got a vaccine rolling out so hopefully come February we'll slowly start seeing the numbers coming down. Do I agree with everything this governments done? Definitely not but that doesn't make Covid any less of a problem than it is.
You are doing that percentage big figure thing again !!
Oooohhhhh scary numbers just like the BBC like to put out
Now factor In all the pre programmed behavioural patterns and natural immunities plus vaccines and that figure comes down considerably..
Genuine question!
If able can you give me a scientific explanation for the 4 nations that make up the UK rolling out different protocols and RULES to tackle this Virus?
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Sigh... really?
How about differing demographic profiles including age and ethnic mix.
Levels of urbanisation vs rurality
Affluence (those in poorer areas more likely to live in houses of multiple occupancy)
Levels of co-morbidity and industrial related disease.
Just read any public health paper and even you will get it. If not you are simply argumentative for the sake of it
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Dan Jarvis said it looks like South Yorkshire will stay in tier 3, As much as we all want to watch live football it would be the right thing to do
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Sigh... really?
How about differing demographic profiles including age and ethnic mix.
Levels of urbanisation vs rurality
Affluence (those in poorer areas more likely to live in houses of multiple occupancy)
Levels of co-morbidity and industrial related disease.
Just read any public health paper and even you will get it. If not you are simply argumentative for the sake of it
So let me get this straight..
You are saying that all of Scotland’s tier systems(5) and lock down rules are governed by the same “scientific evidence” that governs the rest of the UK?
So we have 4 different sets of scientists giving different Scientific advice to 4 different countries?
Bless ya ..... being frightened and directionless isn’t something to be embarrassed about, you are not alone ( unless the government tells you that the scientific evidence dictates otherwise) ....
I’ll leave it there because I know that there are far too many of you’s
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Sigh... really?
How about differing demographic profiles including age and ethnic mix.
Levels of urbanisation vs rurality
Affluence (those in poorer areas more likely to live in houses of multiple occupancy)
Levels of co-morbidity and industrial related disease.
Just read any public health paper and even you will get it. If not you are simply argumentative for the sake of it
So let me get this straight..
You are saying that all of Scotland’s tier systems(5) and lock down rules are governed by the same “scientific evidence” that governs the rest of the UK?
So we have 4 different sets of scientists giving different Scientific advice to 4 different countries?
Bless ya ..... being frightened and directionless isn’t something to be embarrassed about, you are not alone ( unless the government tells you that the scientific evidence dictates otherwise) ....
I’ll leave it there because I know that there are far too many of you’s
Well there is dozens of other countries taking different approaches due to the different scientists advising and having different current levels of the virus.
What is your end point of this anyway?
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Talk Radio?
Nearly as far to the right as LBC is to the left.
I think you need to be a bit more selective.
Why is it ?
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Sigh... really?
How about differing demographic profiles including age and ethnic mix.
Levels of urbanisation vs rurality
Affluence (those in poorer areas more likely to live in houses of multiple occupancy)
Levels of co-morbidity and industrial related disease.
Just read any public health paper and even you will get it. If not you are simply argumentative for the sake of it
So let me get this straight..
You are saying that all of Scotland’s tier systems(5) and lock down rules are governed by the same “scientific evidence” that governs the rest of the UK?
So we have 4 different sets of scientists giving different Scientific advice to 4 different countries?
Bless ya ..... being frightened and directionless isn’t something to be embarrassed about, you are not alone ( unless the government tells you that the scientific evidence dictates otherwise) ....
I’ll leave it there because I know that there are far too many of you’s
Well there is dozens of other countries taking different approaches due to the different scientists advising and having different current levels of the virus.
What is your end point of this anyway?
My end point being is that :
Yes there is a virus , and yes it has mutated over 12,000 times so far,
No scientist knows how to cure it
No government knows how to stifle it
Yes it kills the vulnerable and so do many other things
Only 300 plus people have actually died from Covid19 without any underlying health problem
mass demonstrations in our cities are not being reported or mentioned
The science does not support any of the 4 nations strategy for dealing with the virus....
That’s my point
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300 plus? Where is that figure from Sha66y?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19bothwithandwithoutunderlyinghealthconditions
According to this there were over 3000 by April
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Sha66y.
1) What do you mean by "underlying health condition"?
2) What do you mean by "the science does not support the measures"?
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Sha66y.
1) What do you mean by "underlying health conditions
Those who were seriously ill, those with chronic breathing problems...might stay old people who do tend to fall not that group
I’m sure that slogan was rolled out by tweety n valliant on many occasions.
2) What do you mean by "the science does not support the measures"?
Closing bars at 10 pm, not scientifically approved according to valance,
I’m sure that you have the means to put all 4 nations differing restrictions into a list and see what makes sense....
And I’m damn sure you will find a perfectly good reason why such lunacy makes sense....
You are afterall getting a lot of mileage and self grandisement out of this particular topic, ....you are not alonei fear
In a nutshell ....nothing makes sense, the incompetent government lie, the scientists are not debating alternative views to the handling of this pandemic.....the media is not asking questions but promoting a theme
If none of this worries you.... fair play.....you get me as a kinda let’s keep this going forever kinda guy
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Of course I don't want this to continue forever, you utter bell-end. I want us to come out of it as quickly as possible, with as little damage as possible.
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300 plus? Where is that figure from Sha66y?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19bothwithandwithoutunderlyinghealthconditions
According to this there were over 3000 by April
Hope you're not avoiding this Sha66y
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And look at what the "pre-exisiting conditions" were that people who died of COVID in April had.
For men under 70.
11% had heart disease
13% had flu
10% had COPD
7% had diabetes.
All of those are manageable. None of those are expected to put you at death's door. But we still keep hearing people repeating this bone-idle "pre-exisiting conditions" line as though COVID somehow only takes the ones who the Grim Reaper is already hunting down.
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And people talk as though these people - actual human lives - as though they're expendable anyway.
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We need to accept that people do die. We cannot sacrifice the future of the nation for a few excess deaths. It's not like we are underpopulated is it? People are born , they live and then they die. Some are given more time than others. It is the will of God and there's nothing you can do about it.
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We need to accept that people do die. We cannot sacrifice the future of the nation for a few excess deaths. It's not like we are underpopulated is it? People are born , they live and then they die. Some are given more time than others. It is the will of God and there's nothing you can do about it.
Jesus, but there are things we can do, that's the whole point!
Is wearing a mask so incredibly difficult?
Edit: And thinking about this then, are you suggesting that we shouldn't utilise modern medicine for the same reason? Heart transplants, heart by-pass surgery? Or are you just suggesting we shouldn't do anything that might have an impact on the financial health of the nation?
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We need to accept that people do die. We cannot sacrifice the future of the nation for a few excess deaths. It's not like we are underpopulated is it? People are born , they live and then they die. Some are given more time than others. It is the will of God and there's nothing you can do about it.
Jesus, but there are things we can do, that's the whole point!
Is wearing a mask so incredibly difficult?
Edit: And thinking about this then, are you suggesting that we shouldn't utilise modern medicine for the same reason? Heart transplants, heart by-pass surgery? Or are you just suggesting we shouldn't do anything that might have an impact on the financial health of the nation?
Is destroying the economy for decades a price worth paying? I read the average covid death age is 82. I understand this is obviously very sad for those involved, however what about the other end of the spectrum who are having there lives, businesses etc destroyed which the actions of the government. People need to get back to normality now. It must make better sense to do that and just pay what we are wasting on furlough to keep the vulnerable out of the way for the time being.