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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Lifelong supporter on December 17, 2020, 05:21:12 pm
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Does this mean we will have more chance of holding on to him, or less?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-boss-delivers-injury-verdict-josh-sims-3071875
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Another DFP article says that he's probably played his last game for us.
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We will put our name in the hat and hope for the best. If not, we move on. He's been brilliant for us these last two months.
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Another DFP article says that he's probably played his last game for us.
Within a minute of him leaving the pitch on Tuesday I said on the lucky pint thread that we might have seen the last of him in our shirt and it is sadly looking very likely that we might have done.
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Does this mean we will have more chance of holding on to him, or less?
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-boss-delivers-injury-verdict-josh-sims-3071875
I don’t think it makes much difference to be honest.. if he is likely to be fit by the end of the window, he could still be sold to a championship team as much as he could have been without the injury.
What it does mean potentially is that if we are in the running for him, he won’t be out for too long..
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Yes, it's a shame for both parties but, that's football, full of uncertainties.
You wonder whether said interest in him remains serious once they learn of his injury. If it's serious enough, they'll wait on his fitness, which you would hope would be clear by mid January.
If interest cools then it may put us in a better position however, that may be clutching at straws.
Quite ironic then while he's on his way out, Tulloch's on his way back in. Maybe this cloud might have a silver lining.
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This has always been the luck of DRFC .. unrealised potential.
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We haven't had much injury luck these past few seasons.
We're only 1/3rd of the way in this year and already we've had extended injury absences for Sims, Gomes, Tullouch, John-Jules and Taylor.
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We haven't had much injury luck these past few seasons.
We're only 1/3rd of the way in this year and already we've had extended injury absences for Sims, Gomes, Tullouch, John-Jules and Taylor.
Without checking, that will possibly apply to lots of clubs.
The very busy fixture list so far will be a major contributor to the injuries, two matches a week almost every week.
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but it does show good management of the players and that despite the injuries we are in a play off position.
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You would think from this forum Tullouch is this mighty world beater that's going to run rings around the league. Never seen so much discussion on someone who has played 1 game for us.
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Ouch.
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You would think from this forum Tullouch is this mighty world beater that's going to run rings around the league. Never seen so much discussion on someone who has played 1 game for us.
Also from today’s report from Liam Hoden he is not ready yet and we might have to call it a day with him and look elsewhere.
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I think most of us are thinking along the same lines, Steve. We have to try and find a ‘Sims Mk 2’. The other thing is the timing, as waiting for Sims is fine, should we secure him, but we don’t want to be waiting for Tulloch as well, over such a busy period.
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Having Jon Taylor back and fit isn't a bad replacement for Sims. Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
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Having Jon Taylor back and fit isn't a bad replacement for Sims. Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
Copps can come in on the right as well, probably his best postion in my opinion
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Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
Or you go into ‘isolation’, like Peterborough!
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We haven't had much injury luck these past few seasons.
We're only 1/3rd of the way in this year and already we've had extended injury absences for Sims, Gomes, Tullouch, John-Jules and Taylor.
Without checking, that will possibly apply to lots of clubs.
The very busy fixture list so far will be a major contributor to the injuries, two matches a week almost every week.
Haven't got time to check all the injury situations, but here's a quick surrogate assessment.
Look at how many players have played nearly all the games for each side. Say, how many players have missed 2 or fewer league matches.
Hull - 9
Portsmouth - 9
Peterborough - 7
Lincoln - 8
Ipswich - 1 !!!
Rovers - 6
Accepted, it's a quick and dirty way of looking at it. Doesn't account for late signings or squad rotation (although even then, players rested on the bench often end up getting a run out). But it's the best I can do quickly. And it does look like most of the other top six sides bar Ipswich are keeping their core players available.
I take it as a positive. If we are competing despite a pretty bad injury roster, it augurs well for us if we have a run without problems.
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Having Jon Taylor back and fit isn't a bad replacement for Sims. Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
Taylor on his day is just as good. Both can go by 3 players with ease. Stretch sides etc etc. It's almost a like for like replacement. Shame they couldn't have been on both wings in the same team.
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Having Jon Taylor back and fit isn't a bad replacement for Sims. Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
Taylor on his day is just as good. Both can go by 3 players with ease. Stretch sides etc etc. It's almost a like for like replacement. Shame they couldn't have been on both wings in the same team.
I love Jon Taylor but he’s just not as good as Sims. It’s great to have him back and it softens the blow but Sims has been a revelation and our best player this season.
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I think both have their merits.
Sims has the blistering pace, while Taylor is quick but his little legs just don't cover the same ground although he can jink one way or tother.
Both are quite unpredictable in the box and their final pass/shot can sometimes fall short of what they're capable of.
Both do put a shift in and work hard for the team and both frighten defences.
I would say Taylor has the edge in getting into good positions in the box and perhaps is more of a goal threat.
Sims has the edge being slightly stronger and less likely to be knocked off the ball.
As said, would be great with them both tearing defences apart.
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We will take him on a free with a 40% sell on. (Just a guess)
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I think both have their merits.
Sims has the blistering pace, while Taylor is quick but his little legs just don't cover the same ground although he can jink one way or tother.
Both are quite unpredictable in the box and their final pass/shot can sometimes fall short of what they're capable of.
Both do put a shift in and work hard for the team and both frighten defences.
I would say Taylor has the edge in getting into good positions in the box and perhaps is more of a goal threat.
Sims has the edge being slightly stronger and less likely to be knocked off the ball.
As said, would be great with them both tearing defences apart.
To add to that, I think that Sims is better defensively.
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Having Jon Taylor back and fit isn't a bad replacement for Sims. Admittedly, it'd be better to have cover/options, but you have to make do at this time of the season.
Taylor on his day is just as good. Both can go by 3 players with ease. Stretch sides etc etc. It's almost a like for like replacement. Shame they couldn't have been on both wings in the same team.
I love Jon Taylor but he’s just not as good as Sims. It’s great to have him back and it softens the blow but Sims has been a revelation and our best player this season.
Anderson, Whiteman, James all before him when it comes to player of the season so far.
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Sims has been top class for us in this league and Tullouch has been unlucky with injuries but that’s football. We’ve had a great 2 months out of Sims, 1/3 of the seasons games gone already and were in a good place. Difficult to do but like DM said he is going to have to move players out to get more in so if he can work his magic again and draft in able loan replacements for Tullouch and Sims by no means an easy task in the case of Sims, we will be getting fresh legs in which could be quite an advantage in this weird crammed season. Both of above wingers, would we want like for like ie 2 wingers on loan or a winger and a forward. Reece James seems to have filled the gap left by Tullouch quite nicely so if they both go maybe take stock of what positions we need now rather than at the start of the season. Either way Sims is big boots to fill, but with the quality of loans DM has found this season I believe we have the right man for the job.
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Tulloch was a forward.
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Imho Simms has been the best player in league one this season so far. His absence is a massive blow.
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Tulloch was a forward.
“Was”.??
Still is, isn’t he.?
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He might not be in our team though.
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Looks like others are interested in Josh....
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/53841/
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not a chance we will get him. thread not even worth suggesting otherwise
Regards
A disgruntled, covid fed up, transfer window disheartened already rovers die hard
p.s. its my 42nd bday tomorrow as well so even more reason to be fed up
Happy New Year Everyone :-)
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Read this on Google News today.
Josh Sims to QPR: Southampton's transfer stance, Doncaster loan deal, what the player has said
Southampton's Josh Sims has impressed on loan at League One side Doncaster Rovers, but he has now emerged as a potential January transfer target for Queens Park Rangers
The future of Southampton's Josh Sims has been a hot topic in recent seasons.
The 23-year-old midfielder is currently on loan at Doncaster Rovers and is loving his time at the Keepmoat Stadium, where he has scored three times and provided seven assists in 14 appearances for Darren Moore's side.
Sims joined Donny after loan spells with Reading and New York Red Bulls, stints that he hoped would earn him a place in Ralph Hasenhuttl's Southampton plans on the south coast.
That hasn't happened as yet, and now it is being reported that Sims could now be heading for the exit door permanently at Staplewood.
That's because he has now emerged as a potential transfer target for Championship side Queens Park Rangers.
Below, we look at the latest on his future.
QPR interest
According to Football Insider, QPR have set their sights on a permanent move for Sims in the January transfer window.
The report suggests that Sims has been identified as a transfer target for the R's, who currently sit 20th in the Championship, just two points above the relegation zone.
Doncaster loan deal
A complication for QPR is that Sims is currently on loan at Doncaster Rovers, where he has impressed.
He has played 14 times since making the move to the Keepmoat Stadium after finding his opportunities limited at Southampton, where he has made 27 first-team appearances, 13 of which came during his breakthrough 2016-17 season.
The three-month loan deal with Doncaster is set to run until January 16, with no decision made as yet over Sims' future beyond that.
However, it does provide an added complication for any potential suitors, with Sims still eligible to feature for Rovers until the middle of the month, as things stand.
Saints are keeping tabs on Sims' progress, with his current deal with the club set to expire in the summer.
Speaking in November, Hasenhuttl told reporters that he remains deeply invested in what all of his loan players do, including Sims, and has been keeping a close eye on their progress.
It does, however, remain unclear whether Saints would look to extend Sims' stay in Yorkshire or allow for the midfielder to make a permanent switch to Doncaster or elsewhere, rather than potentially lose him for free with his contract set to expire at the end of the season.
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What Sims has said
The midfielder has previously revealed his desire to sit down with bosses at St. Mary's to discuss the possibility of extending his stay at Doncaster Rovers.
“One hundred per cent I'd be interested in staying,” Sims told the Yorkshire Post.
“I'm playing regular football now – very, very regular football! - and I'm enjoying it.
“I will sit down with Southampton and Doncaster, weigh up my options and see what's best for me when that time comes."
“It's a big few months in my career and something I'm aware of," he continued.
“I think I'm playing well although sometimes I can do better but I've not played regular football for a very long time.
“I think when you're enjoying it you find that little extra in you which spurs you on a little bit.”
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Hope he returns to Rovers to take on Ben's role. Permanent move would be nice.
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I hope he doesn't, I would want him to play his own role otherwise would be a waste of his blistering pace!
I note the article above appears not to have taken into account his injury. Whether he recovers sufficiently to be considered for anything before the end of January might be tight.
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Sims might not be fit before the transfer deadline closes - so perhaps he won't be available (or viable) for sale.... how many clubs are going to buy a player who is injured...?
There may, therefore, be possibility that he may be available for a period on loan again when fit... Not saying he would come back to DRFC; however, DM got a tune out of him, and he was playing football regularly....
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In the latest article we are still interested in Sims and will hope to loan him again but if that fails we will pursue another player.
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What are the rules with the loan window? Does that shut at the same time as the transfer window or is it open longer?
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It shuts at the same time.
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I think if we can resign Sims it'll be right at the end of the window, when Southampton give up on the idea of getting a fee for him. Fingers crossed
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If only!
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When was the original loan up to please
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Liam Hoden basically said the longer he's a Southampton player this January, the more of a possibility it is that he might be back.
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Liam Hoden basically said the longer he's a Southampton player this January, the more of a possibility it is that he might be back.
Which is what I said above...
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Liam Hoden basically said the longer he's a Southampton player this January, the more of a possibility it is that he might be back.
Not according to Southampton who want a large fee .
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All over Twitter that a loan has been agreed till end of season
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It's no secret that we would love him back. The ink isn't dry yet though.
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I have some blotting paper if that helps SM
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OMG!
If the ink’s not dry, that means, at least, they’ve found the pen.
It’s a start!
;)
:scarf:
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Yes, but wise to hold off any celebrations until its done and he's confirmed as fit enough to return!
Btw. Seems to be a feature of this forum more recently that we have multiple threads on the same subject. Why do folk start a new thread when one already exists?. I'm not the duplication Police and picking anyone out, but how can you have sensible discussion if there's other threads!
Rant over. Ta.
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To me this speaks volumes about Simms as a pro and a person. He obviously has told saints he want to come back to Doncaster to see the job through. There is no way championship clubs have not tried or are interested in taking him on loan. If we go up then I can see him signing for us permanently in the summer.
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From Hoden...
It must be said, there’s been a big change in the levels of positivity over Sims. Only a few weeks ago I was told the feeling was Rovers had next to no chance of getting him back. It’s been a lot, lot more positive in the last week or so.
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Yes, but wise to hold off any celebrations until its done and he's confirmed as fit enough to return!
Btw. Seems to be a feature of this forum more recently that we have multiple threads on the same subject. Why do folk start a new thread when one already exists?. I'm not the duplication Police and picking anyone out, but how can you have sensible discussion if there's other threads!
Rant over. Ta.
Agreed DBR it drives me potty. You don’t know which thread to post on. :headbang:
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Can’t the moderators combine them?
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Not the point though Alan, folk should have a look and see if there's already a thread... This about Sims is a long line of duplicate threads recently.
The 'Let's talk about....' threads for example are there for a reason, then someone puts up 'Tonight's Game' or summat similar. Really gets me goat that one!
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Was there three or four threads about Whiteman..
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You can never have enough Tom Anderson threads.
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Same goes for Coppinger imo.